IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-07-20
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05:26:02 <NGC3982> half of the trains in the station have full load, and the rest does not
05:26:08 <NGC3982> still, they are stuck there, at 100%.
05:29:14 <Rubidium> or cargo in the engines, and rounding 99.51 to 100%, and full load all instead of full load any
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06:16:14 <NGC3982> Rubidium: i found it.
06:16:22 <NGC3982> the end station didnt accept goods any longer
06:16:28 <NGC3982> and for some reason, the trains didnt move.
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09:11:45 <NGC3982> i cant get this to work properly
09:12:10 <NGC3982> isnt city funding usable in the cfg on the latest stable version?
09:12:40 <Alberth> do you have it enabled in the settings?
09:12:54 <NGC3982> i fail to find anything about it :/
09:14:20 <NGC3982> STR_CONFIG_SETTING_TOWN_FOUNDING
09:14:27 <Alberth> wikis don't get updated by themselves, unfortunately
09:15:39 <Alberth> 'Founding towns in game'
09:16:45 <Eddi|zuHause> oh you meant "found"... "funding" is something different (as in "fund new buildings")
09:17:22 <NGC3982> yes, i noted that the word "fund" was the key to my demise.
09:17:42 * NGC3982 also notes his english never seems to improve.
09:18:40 <Alberth> founding and funding are very different things :p
09:21:31 <NGC3982> i have seemed to misplace the town labels for some reason
09:21:38 <NGC3982> it's not removed in the transparency options
09:21:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a separate entry in the settings dropdown
09:23:08 <NGC3982> ah, i see. ill look it up.
09:24:39 <FLHerne> Is there any reason why that's not in the transparency bar?
09:26:16 <planetmaker> yes... one couldn't agree on what should go there or not ;-)
09:26:57 <planetmaker> for reasons like 9 shortcuts make it easy or so :-)
09:26:57 <FLHerne> What's the argument for not putting it there, then? :P
09:27:37 <planetmaker> and the reason of course it also "needs change, needs be coded"
09:27:48 <planetmaker> (but no really good one :-P )
09:28:35 <FLHerne> Normal reasons, then? :P
09:29:11 <planetmaker> same as like with why you give money to players, not companies
09:29:21 <planetmaker> which I find even more stupid :-)
09:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it breaks "one person multiplayer"
09:30:17 <planetmaker> or absent players
09:30:24 <planetmaker> or AI player support
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09:39:46 <hackalitttlebit> Alberth: I need some help with fs5147, I am switching gamemode on the fly and I am not really certain if that is allowed :(
09:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> scenario editor?
09:41:05 <planetmaker> game, editor, main menu
09:41:10 <hackalitttlebit> GM_MENU, GM_NORMAL, GM_EDITOR,
09:42:17 <Alberth> ok, does not sound logical to switch back and forth between them I agree :)
09:42:19 <planetmaker> and indeed there's iirc a procedure to switch game modes. As many things need re-initialization
09:42:33 <planetmaker> it's not just changing that variable.
09:42:48 <planetmaker> all adv. settings need checking. Newgrfs maybe applying etc
09:43:15 <Alberth> why do you do it, why do you need it?
09:43:55 <Alberth> you're just programming a gui, right?
09:44:07 <hackalitttlebit> calling land generater from within scenario editor or from main menu
09:45:29 <hackalitttlebit> tried to make it work, but realy needs verification
09:46:10 <planetmaker> hackalitttlebit: can it be that you change \n to \n\r ? I see in the (large) diff things which look like that
09:46:50 <hackalitttlebit> hg does that I think, I need to study hg better
09:46:54 <planetmaker> e.g. the first hunk
09:47:00 <planetmaker> hg doesn't do that on its own...
09:47:40 <hackalitttlebit> today I will try to make a patch that applies to trunk
09:47:54 <Alberth> hackalitttlebit: convincing your editor to use unix line conventions works better probably
09:48:25 <hackalitttlebit> yes need to configure that
09:49:01 <planetmaker> the two supplied patches are basically unreadable as the whole files are changed due to that
09:53:58 <planetmaker> possibly. But that's fixing the symptom :-)
09:57:54 <hackalitttlebit> planetmaker: I cut some vars in english.txt and that was not so smart ;) makes diff really big I think
09:58:39 <planetmaker> hackalitttlebit: I don't think so. You also replace the header and stuff
09:59:05 <planetmaker> the diff is a 1MByte text file...
09:59:28 <hackalitttlebit> I leave empty space next patch
09:59:38 <planetmaker> thus you change 500kByte of text - considerably more than a few variables :-)
10:00:18 <planetmaker> as Alberth suggested: configure your editor to obey line endings and not change them for the file being edited
10:05:37 <planetmaker> (removing trailing white is also a good idea)
10:06:45 <Alberth> hackalitttlebit: change 1 character in a file, ask hg for the diff, save it to a file, and load the file in an editor. You should see about 10 lines of text (bit of header, some prefix-context, the previous and new version of the changed line, and some post-fix context
10:07:39 <Alberth> ie a diff is not magical, it's just text
10:09:07 <hackalitttlebit> tnks alberth, today is cleaning day :) (for me)
10:09:16 <planetmaker> I guess "remove trailing whitespace" only sucks if you programme in whitespace :-P
10:10:00 <Alberth> I normally review the changes for 'weird' things after I am done. It's amazing how often you find new things by doing that. I'd recommend you to do the same
10:10:54 <Alberth> planetmaker: CTH also has some significant white space in its config file. I don't know whether it's a programming bug, or a Lua language bug
10:11:07 <planetmaker> I fully agree, Alberth :-) I find many quirks that way in my things, too
10:12:03 <hackalitttlebit> ok I'll do some cleaning and will let you know, see you
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10:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah why can't i get Monkey Island - Special Edition to run in wine?!?
10:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> they even had a few bug fixes wrt that exact game recently... but it still won't run...
10:29:53 * FLHerne still can't get AoE II to work :-(
10:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i tried that, 9 out of 10 times the AI would immediately give up
10:31:07 <Alberth> "oh, it's you again :( I give up."
10:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not THAT good :p
10:31:43 <FLHerne> That can be frustrating :-(
10:32:06 <FLHerne> In fact, everything diplomatic fails badly with the AI
10:35:52 <peter1138> Last time I tried that I got bored about about 1 minute.
10:38:59 <FLHerne> peter1138: The first minute of most games is boring :P OTTD included...
10:41:41 <planetmaker> FLHerne: really? I thought they're interesting. As you decide what to do, where to build, etc
10:41:49 <planetmaker> boring are minutes 10 to 30 :-)
10:42:41 <NGC3982> bah, this language barrier
10:42:55 <NGC3982> i wish to stop industries from closing down, and i cant find anythin suitable
10:43:04 <NGC3982> and im having trouble formulating the search
10:43:09 <planetmaker> might be related to "not in the default game"
10:43:24 <planetmaker> you might look for FIRS or manual industries
10:43:30 <planetmaker> they solve that as newgrfs
10:43:37 <planetmaker> as mutually incompatible one
10:43:55 <planetmaker> FIRS requires setting of parameters to not close down industries
10:44:27 <NGC3982> this is for the default industries
10:44:51 <NGC3982> oh, its not configurable in the default game?
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10:45:18 <NGC3982> that might explain why i didnt find anything
10:45:19 <planetmaker> with default industries the "manual industries" newgrf can be of help. But of course only for new games
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11:13:35 <planetmaker> :-) Want to clean my flat, too? :-D
11:13:59 <hackalittlebit> if you live in honolulu yessss
11:14:43 <planetmaker> hackalittlebit, such carelessness already led once to the event that I woke up a friend at 3am ;-)
11:15:07 <planetmaker> "you can show up anytime, if you bring Quiche". "really? anytime?" "really" "ok"
11:18:14 <planetmaker> but we had a nice breakfast on the hill West of the town. Watching a nice summer sunrise :-)
11:18:25 <planetmaker> Just the working day was terrible. Luckily it was Friday :-P
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11:44:05 <peter1138> ... and now I have a SELECT COUNT() that is taking several hours o_O
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11:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: need more indices!
11:51:46 <peter1138> I don't see how a select with no where clause needs indices :-)
11:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, another try: you need XML databases!!
11:53:53 <peter1138> solves everything :D
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13:12:10 <LordAro> curious, if you type "tmwftlb" into google(.co.uk) a tt-forums thread is 3rd link :)
13:13:02 <Alberth> hi :) I am not that curious :)
13:15:09 <TrueBrain> General Notice: wiki.openttd.org will go offline for the next few hours
13:46:21 <Belugas> oh no... come on... why?????
13:46:33 <Belugas> my life depends on it!
15:15:12 <LordAro> TrueBrain: because of my bug report?
15:15:51 <TrueBrain> [15:14] <TrueBrain> I am going to pull the wiki offline and try to update it to a more recent version; I am bored out of my mind, so why not :P
15:17:03 <TrueBrain> LordAro: from what I can tell, the things you mention in your bug report either never worked, or are already fixed :P
15:17:47 <TrueBrain> and I can't find any wikipedia links on Openttd.cfg?
15:18:25 <LordAro> well, the sortable table in 'Developers' did work (made it myself :) )
15:18:30 <TrueBrain> that is just horribly broken
15:18:37 <TrueBrain> even with the latest software
15:18:41 <TrueBrain> someone used the wrong syntax I am guessing
15:18:43 <LordAro> and people have been removing the 'broken' wikipedia links, so it may have disappeared :L
15:19:08 <TrueBrain> and something like sortable tables ... we haven't touched the wiki for months
15:19:12 <LordAro> meh, i'll check when the wiki's back up
15:19:13 <TrueBrain> so it cannot be an issue on the software side :P
15:19:19 <TrueBrain> but it works for me in this new version
15:23:37 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: What's different?
15:25:00 <Alberth> FLHerne: wiki software was upgraded
15:26:14 <FLHerne> I saw, but any new features etc that need prodding?
15:27:20 <FLHerne> Also, don't manual newgrfs go in .openttd/newgrf now?
15:27:39 <TrueBrain> LordAro: which would be odd ..
15:28:58 <LordAro> <TrueBrain> LordAro: which would be odd .. <-- huh?
15:29:09 <TrueBrain> LordAro: it is a default mediawiki deploy
15:29:14 <TrueBrain> so why wouldn't a default thing work?
15:32:13 <TrueBrain> I see no reason why it wouldn't work
15:36:01 <TrueBrain> haha, I know why it doesnt work :D
15:36:06 <TrueBrain> owh, old errors coming back to bite us
15:37:25 <TrueBrain> we once changed from latin to UTF
15:37:33 <TrueBrain> a Char(32) got \0 chars added
15:37:39 <TrueBrain> so it is not "WikiPedia"
15:37:47 <TrueBrain> but "WikiPedia\x00\x00\x00\x00...."
15:37:51 <TrueBrain> which is handled very very wrong
15:49:58 <TrueBrain> I Somehow first had to convert it back
15:50:02 <TrueBrain> but ... I cannot remember how :P
15:59:04 <TrueBrain> wish it gave me an answer :(
16:13:03 <TrueBrain> General Notice: wiki.openttd.org is back online
16:13:06 <TrueBrain> please do report any issues
16:19:21 <LordAro> one thing i noticed a while ago: no favicon
16:19:50 <TrueBrain> ah, tnx, I was looking into that
16:19:56 <TrueBrain> and was searching my ass what I was doing
16:20:05 <TrueBrain> I just noticed it too :)
16:21:11 <LordAro> yay, now i can use the Vector theme :D
16:22:25 <LordAro> like wikipedia('s default skin)
16:22:30 <TrueBrain> and there is the favicon :)
16:23:19 <planetmaker> thx a lot, TrueBrain! :-)
16:23:24 <LordAro> extremely minor: the title is 'OpenTTD' should perhaps be 'OpenTTD Wiki'
16:24:34 <planetmaker> yes... how do I change that, LordAro?
16:25:01 <LordAro> no idea, i've never managed a mediawiki thing before :P
16:25:06 <Rubidium> must say the vector theme looks nicer
16:25:37 <planetmaker> ok, thought you do :-)
16:27:25 <planetmaker> indeed it looks nicer
16:27:53 <planetmaker> so thanks for the hint :-)
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17:45:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24418 /trunk/src/lang/ (catalan.txt lithuanian.txt polish.txt vietnamese.txt):
17:45:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 6 changes by arnau
17:45:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 6 changes by Stabilitronas
17:45:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: polish - 6 changes by wojteks86
17:45:31 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 14 changes by nglekhoi
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18:34:01 <TrueBrain> iek, the "geheimdienst" also visits our channel? Omfg, I have to be careful now :(
18:34:06 <TrueBrain> (it is dutch for secret service)
18:41:45 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: only spelt incorrectly
18:41:55 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: tomato tomato
18:42:31 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: buoy boy ;)
18:43:42 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: ananas ananas
18:47:23 <Rubidium> interestingly, dennenappel does not translate to pineapple (even though literally it would)
18:49:32 <Rubidium> yay for work meetings in the forest ;)
18:50:14 <Alberth> TrueBrain: I was thinking German
18:53:07 <TrueBrain> Alberth: patato patato
18:54:09 <Rawh> You know it's potato, right?
18:54:52 <Rawh> TrueBrain: ignore silence
18:55:18 <Rubidium> potato was the first Debian (and Linux) I installed myself
18:56:24 <Alberth> we can live without Flyspray for a hours too :p
18:56:33 <TrueBrain> sadly, there is no update of FS
18:56:50 <TrueBrain> owh, there is, but nothing of relevance
18:56:59 <TrueBrain> I do want to try Jira, but for that I first need to free up memory
18:57:33 <Alberth> bummer, that costs brain cells :(
18:57:56 <TrueBrain> I guess I could look into mirror software of some kind ...
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19:12:18 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: like I said: there is an update, but nothing of relevance
19:12:25 <TrueBrain> it has to do we don't use a real version; we use a SVN version
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19:15:30 <TrueBrain> wow, is it me, or do you feel sleepy all of a sudden?
19:16:45 <Sleepie> TrueBrain: you crossed my plan to fix something in the wiki today ;)
19:18:29 <TrueBrain> the wonderful thing about being a SysOp: you always cross someones plan :P
19:18:46 <ben1066> is there a channel for openttd on android?
19:19:26 <Rubidium> ben1066: not that I know
19:20:21 <TrueBrain> if there would be any channel, it should hold a bot that says: you shouldn't want to play this game on a small device :D
19:21:09 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: being a sysop, how long would it take you to create a Windows instance in a VMWare environment?
19:21:25 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: Windows? 2 hours :P
19:21:50 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: then you're way too fast for my company ;)
19:22:05 <TrueBrain> its a tedious job, doing a Windows rollout
19:22:11 <TrueBrain> even more with the wrong licenses :(
19:22:18 <TrueBrain> how long did it take them?
19:22:29 <Sleepie> TrueBrain: well at least you have don't too early. I had not started editing... :P
19:22:37 <Rubidium> don't know, my "work" sysop hasn't finished yet
19:22:38 <telanus1> would it be possible to change the exchange rate of the south African Rand to 8.20 to the $ as it's been around that mark the last year and a bit
19:23:02 <TrueBrain> telanus1: why not write a patch that updates those things live from the internet?
19:23:12 <TrueBrain> otherwise it makes little sense, to constantly update all the rates :P
19:23:23 <Sleepie> Don't they pre-configured images?
19:23:37 <TrueBrain> Sleepie: depending on your license, you are not allowed
19:23:39 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I'm only waiting since begin May though
19:23:45 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lol ... wow
19:24:14 <Rubidium> two weeks ago he wrote an email that he would start "after the weekend"
19:24:41 <Rubidium> today he seems to be actually working on it thing
19:24:45 <Sleepie> well I don't know we have sysops fo this, but they quite fast if there is a problem
19:24:47 <telanus1> TrueBrain: i was looking thru the source (Quickly) to see if I can find it, so that I can update it locally for me
19:24:55 <telanus1> but couldn't find it
19:25:18 <Rubidium> Sleepie: yes, only about 2 weeks for a reinstall after the HDD failed beyond repair
19:25:23 <TrueBrain> I am btw serious, it would be nice if you can 'update' those rates via internet
19:26:20 <Sleepie> Rubidium: omg thats ridiculous
19:26:22 <Rubidium> telanus1: anything with decimals is basically not possible
19:26:26 <frosch123> Sleepie: if power outage problems are fixed within 10 minutes, they might have needed the socket for the coffee machine
19:26:45 <TrueBrain> I have to remember that :D:D
19:27:24 <frosch123> TrueBrain: it's somewhat a quote from bofh
19:28:18 <Rubidium> Sleepie: I might be overloading the sysop with work though, given I've become the defacto DBA. Waiting 2.5 months for the sysop to backup the new SQL server, waiting the same amount of time for him to get all clients in the company migrated to the new server (a simple one-time script I wrote that needs to be executed on all clients)
19:29:10 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24419 /branches/1.2/ (62 files in 5 dirs):
19:29:10 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
19:29:10 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] GetReverseCargoTranslation() was unnecessary complicated and also returned the wrong thing for cargos not present in the translation table (r24273)
19:29:10 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Load cargo- and railtype-translation during both reservation and activation stage. That way they can be selected using Action7 depending on present cargo- or railtypes (r24272)
19:29:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Use the same colour scheme for the script selection window as in other comparable windows (r24268)
19:29:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Make the oilrig-vehicle list accessible to spectators and colour its caption neutrally grey [FS#5126] (r24260)
19:29:40 <Sleepie> Rubidium: that sounds not really fun
19:31:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24420 /branches/1.2/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
19:31:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
19:31:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Make the AI settings window behave more like the other settings window by closing the query window whenever selecting a different row (r24315)
19:31:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Editing NewGRF parameters using the query window showed wrong values, if there was no direct relation between parameter index and parameter register (r24314)
19:31:13 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Center object previews in 1- and 2-view selectors based on the 4-view selector layout [FS#5057] (r24299)
19:31:13 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Increase the left and right margins of the text in the yes/no query window (r24293)
19:31:23 <Sleepie> Rubidium: we have three sysops but they support our 150 developers quite nicely. if there is a problem it is normally fixed very fast
19:32:26 <frosch123> i would guess here are about 10 sysops for 200 devs
19:32:55 <frosch123> but their advanced experience does not help them
19:33:18 <frosch123> Belugas: there are shades of "developers"
19:33:53 <Rubidium> 1 sysop, 3 devs, but there are a few (maybe 25) other people as well
19:34:13 <Belugas> we are 10 devs, and we are all our own sysops
19:34:17 <frosch123> hmm, actually my 200 is too high, likely more than 150; i should not count the bureaucracy guys
19:34:18 <Belugas> okok, we do not run linux
19:34:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24421 /branches/1.2/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
19:34:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
19:34:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: EQUALSIZE widget containers within EQUALSIZE containers were initialised with wrong sizes (r24346)
19:34:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: The cursor in the company password window was not blinking due to wrong magic constants (r24335)
19:34:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Change the length of 8/8 roadvehicles in vehicle lists to 32 pixels; this is in fact the correct length as can be seen in corners for short articulated parts following each other [FS#2553] (r24332)
19:34:27 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Group vehicles in the purchase list properly by source GRF, but also consider engine GRFID overrides [FS#4254] (r24330, r24321)
19:35:37 <frosch123> i think we have even a specialist sysop for the 10 secretaries
19:36:16 <frosch123> fixing stuff like recovering files that were accidentially moved to a different folder
19:36:31 <Rubidium> I got full rights on my "workstation" though, and the admin password of the servers
19:37:09 <Sleepie> well the company I work for is mostly a software service provider, so we are all consultants and don't have such a big infrastructure
19:37:51 <Rubidium> my company barely has any infrastructure
19:38:16 <frosch123> Rubidium: i thought you have control over thousands km of tracks? :p
19:38:40 <FLHerne> When I click on something on the minimap, it doesn't seem to quite centre it on the main view. Is it supposed to?
19:38:47 <Rubidium> frosch123: not owned by my company ;)
19:39:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24422 /branches/1.2/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
19:39:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
19:39:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: When airport construction was denied due to noise, the error message named the wrong town (r24354)
19:39:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] A TileIndex is not a station id, so do not use it as one [FS#5215] (r24353)
19:39:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: When highlighting the drop position for vehicles in depots, make space for all articulated parts (r24352)
19:39:13 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Short vehicles were not properly positioned at the cursor when dragging for RTL languages (r24351)
19:39:21 <Sleepie> we have several virtual servers for all kind of test environments and than all the usual stuff for mail, intranet, ....
19:40:31 <Rubidium> so your company's sysop has more IT infrastructure to manage than mine
19:40:33 <frosch123> FLHerne: works for me
19:41:04 <FLHerne> frosch123: It almost does, but it's about half an inch off to the right :P
19:41:12 * FLHerne waves a metre-rule at his screen
19:41:40 <Rubidium> FLHerne: buy a smaller screen
19:41:41 <Sleepie> well at least it is 95% windows based
19:42:03 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24423 /branches/1.2/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
19:42:03 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
19:42:03 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: ReInit could crash for windows with NWidgetMatrix widgets [FS#5218] (r24378)
19:42:03 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Extended action A1 did not work correctly [FS#5227] (r24369, r24361)
19:42:03 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Add C(XX)FLAGS_BUILD to all the executables that are compiled for the build enviroment (r24365)
19:42:04 <frosch123> FLHerne: are you using some modified build with zoom-in minimap?
19:42:05 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Ship-specific 80+x variables were missing for unknown reason [FS#5224] (r24360)
19:42:23 <frosch123> i would not be able to tell the difference between clicking one tile on the minimap
19:42:43 <FLHerne> No. I am using a patched version, but nothing relating to minimaps
19:43:09 <FLHerne> I can see when I'm clicking on the corner of an industry, though
19:43:21 <frosch123> hmm, looksl ike there are some rounding errors involved
19:43:27 <Sleepie> every patch is guilty until proven innocent ;)
19:43:33 <frosch123> when i scroll a bit, then rectangle on the minimap changes in size
19:43:37 <frosch123> at least for 4x zoom in
19:44:13 <Alberth> iirc you get tiles of 4x4 then
19:44:32 <frosch123> same happens for other zoom levels, but is not noticeable that much, because the rect on the minimap is bigger
19:45:33 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24424 /branches/1.2/ (20 files in 4 dirs):
19:45:33 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
19:45:33 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Use the 'all vehicles' group for the autoreplace window from the vehicle list [FS#5239] (r24392)
19:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not consider not finding a particular base set critical; just load a different one and display an in-game error later on [FS#5233] (r24388)
19:45:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Make IsInDepot() functions behave consistent across vehicle types and add IsChainInDepot instead, if that is what shall be checked [FS#5188] (r24384)
19:45:35 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Call Vehicle::IsStoppedInDepot only for the first vehicle in a chain (i.e. primary vehicle or free wagon) (r24382)
19:45:37 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not resize the object GUI when selecting objects. Rather clip the object name (r24379)
19:46:01 <FLHerne> frosch123: On the minimap, I need to click 5 'pixels' to the right of the intended point to get the main view exactly centred
19:46:01 <frosch123> FLHerne: i cannot find any horizontal misplacement
19:46:37 <frosch123> though i would think that when zooming out the clicked position ends up as the center of the upper edge of the viewport, instead of the center of the rect
19:48:22 <frosch123> ah, the vertical misplacement is caused by terrain height
19:48:36 <frosch123> it scrolls to where the clicked location would be at height 0
19:48:46 <frosch123> so, usually stuff is in the upper part of the viewport
19:48:50 <FLHerne> Horizontal misplacement, too. Scales with main view zoom
19:48:59 <frosch123> anyway, i cannot reproduce any horizontal misplacement
19:49:05 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24425 /branches/1.2/ (11 files in 4 dirs):
19:49:05 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
19:49:05 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Windows] Unbreak NewGRF MD5 sum calculation. Macros and side effects do not mix, especially if there is some obscure '#define min' in a windows header that nobody thinks of [FS#5231] (r24416)
19:49:05 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Disallow removing roadtypes from bridges when not dragging in bridge direction [FS#5221] (r24414)
19:49:07 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Draw wires under low bridges if the bridge is transparent, not if the wire is transparent (r24403)
19:49:07 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Station properties 11 and 14 were combined incorrectly [FS#5243] (r24402)
19:49:09 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Windows] Changing resolution did not resize the window (r24394)
19:49:09 * FLHerne tries a scenario with everything at sealevel
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19:51:34 <Sleepie> TrueBrain: with the wiki updated, can we use interwiki links (wikipedia) now?
19:51:47 <TrueBrain> Sleepie: unrelated to the update, but yes
19:51:56 <TrueBrain> that broke months ago, and nobody noticed earlier
19:52:07 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24426 /branches/1.2/src/lang/ (31 files in 2 dirs): [1.2] -Backport from trunk: language updates
19:53:13 <Sleepie> ah ok, so I'll have to update a few links
19:54:34 <FLHerne> frosch123: Occurs with an entirely flat map at sealevel, too :P
19:54:56 * FLHerne finds a stable version to test with
19:59:31 <FLHerne> Also the case in 1.2.0-RC4 :P
20:04:41 <FLHerne> Displacement varies across map, too. Exactly right if I centre the far left corner, ~1.5in (on my screen, max zoom) off at the right corner
20:04:52 <frosch123> maybe you are using full screen and your display is misconfigured
20:04:57 <frosch123> so you do not see the whole screen :p
20:06:05 <FLHerne> Toolbar is centred fine :P
20:06:51 <FLHerne> North and south corners are 3/4 in or so off, as I expected
20:10:11 <FLHerne> Same for an industry corner in the centre of the map
20:10:41 * FLHerne wonders why minor displacement when centring the map seemed important anyway
20:13:15 <frosch123> FLHerne: testing that at the map borders fails
20:13:25 <frosch123> you cannot scroll over it, so it is limited by that
20:14:28 <frosch123> scroll vertically while trying to scroll as far right as possible
20:14:53 <frosch123> then you wil notice that a vertical displacement will enforce a horizontal displayment at the border
20:15:13 <telanus1> anyone played this: Railworks 3: Train Simulator 2012
20:15:13 <FLHerne> I see. Works for objects placed near the borders, too, though
20:20:03 <FLHerne> I placed a road tile 10 tiles in from the right-hand corner, and clicked on it in the minimap. Even allowing for inaccurate mouse, inexact representation etc, the main view centres ~1.5in to the right of where it should :P
20:20:22 * FLHerne loses interest and watches Avatar instead :P
20:29:31 <TrueBrain> people downloading wiki.openttd.org completely .. that isn't really nice ...
20:29:55 <FLHerne> TrueBrain: Who does that? And why? ;o
20:30:45 <TrueBrain> my magic bowl is damaged :P
20:31:10 <TrueBrain> GoogleBots can crawl us
20:31:18 <TrueBrain> which is much less ... nice
20:31:44 <frosch123> maybe they print a book :p
20:32:32 <TrueBrain> I always love fetching stats from the webserver
20:32:45 <TrueBrain> 99% of the unique visitors load < 500 pages
20:32:48 <TrueBrain> but we have exceptions :P
20:33:23 <TrueBrain> why would you open 8500 pages?
20:33:26 <TrueBrain> what is your interest? :P
20:33:49 <frosch123> my browser warns be when opening more than 20 tabs :p
20:34:01 <TrueBrain> owh, I could have known: googlebot :D
20:34:18 <TrueBrain> FlySpray doesn't give any caching indication in return
20:34:21 <TrueBrain> so every day it spiders us :D
20:35:00 <frosch123> we do not yet have 8500 taks
20:36:30 <TrueBrain> @calc 650000 / 24 / 60
20:36:30 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 451.388888889
20:36:32 <TrueBrain> @calc 650000 / 24 / 60 / 60
20:36:32 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 7.52314814815
20:36:40 <TrueBrain> 7.5 hits per second on average (24h window)
20:37:00 <TrueBrain> 260k to wiki, 230k to media, 60k to hg (??), 32k to www, 12k to secure
20:37:22 <TrueBrain> 500 binaries.ttdpatch, 500 forum.openttd
20:38:32 <TrueBrain> @calc 6000 / 650000
20:38:32 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.00923076923077
20:38:35 <TrueBrain> @calc 6000 / 650000 * 100
20:38:35 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.923076923077
20:39:06 <TrueBrain> Sleepie: you have to be a bit more specific; your strange is clearly not mine
20:39:13 <Sleepie> I cannot edit this page, because it states I'm banned to edit it even with strange dates
20:39:14 <TrueBrain> as the page loads and shows content; so as far as I care, nothing strange :)
20:39:33 <TrueBrain> so you are banned from editing our wiki? :P
20:40:09 <Sleepie> only for this page at the moment, but the dates for the ban ar older than the page itself
20:42:10 <Sleepie> You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:
20:42:12 <Sleepie> Your username or IP address has been blocked.
20:42:13 <Sleepie> The block was made by MeusH. The reason given is spammer.
20:42:15 <Sleepie> Start of block: 21:45, 16 March 2006
20:42:17 <Sleepie> Expiry of block: infinite
20:42:18 <Sleepie> Intended blockee: Sleepie
20:42:20 <Sleepie> You can contact MeusH or another administrator to discuss the block.
20:42:51 <TrueBrain> so ... why are you talking to me then? :)
20:43:16 <Sleepie> because you are the sysop :P
20:43:29 <TrueBrain> yeah, a common mistake :) I maintain the software as such, not its content :)
20:43:33 <TrueBrain> maybe planetmaker has an idea
20:43:46 <TrueBrain> but system-wise, it is working as intended ... no clue why you would be banned
20:43:55 <TrueBrain> (except from the obvious one .. you are a spammer! :P
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20:44:20 <Sleepie> I didn't know until today
20:44:59 <Sleepie> but in this case I would have been expected to be completely banned and not only for one page
20:45:38 <Sleepie> they might be more of course that I don't know yet
20:46:31 <frosch123> that ban date matches some other user
20:46:36 <frosch123> so, it might be the ip
20:47:19 <frosch123> "Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IP addresses they try to edit from" <- that's checked
20:47:29 <TrueBrain> frosch123: where can you see those things?
20:48:19 <frosch123> it's on the last page
20:48:22 <Sleepie> iirc I don't even had registered an account at that date
20:48:24 <frosch123> second ban ever given :p
20:48:29 <TrueBrain> frosch123: ah, kewl
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20:49:20 <frosch123> Sleepie: not you are banned, your ip is banned
20:50:38 <frosch123> anyway, is it safe to lift bans from 2006?
20:50:46 <frosch123> or only lift the ip ban?
20:53:28 <TrueBrain> I was wondering how mediawiki tracks those IP blocks
20:53:30 <TrueBrain> can't figure it out
20:54:58 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I think it is very safe to remove such old blocks :)
20:55:06 <frosch123> Sleepie: i removed the ip ban
20:55:15 <frosch123> only the registered username is banned
20:55:24 <frosch123> though i guess its account was never merged :p
20:56:57 <Sleepie> You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:
20:56:58 <Sleepie> Your username or IP address has been blocked.
20:57:00 <Sleepie> The block was made by frosch. The reason given is spammer.
20:57:01 <Sleepie> Start of block: 21:54, 20 July 2012
20:57:03 <Sleepie> Expiry of block: infinite
20:57:04 <Sleepie> Intended blockee: Rebbel
20:57:06 <Sleepie> You can contact frosch or another administrator to discuss the block.
20:57:35 <planetmaker> you spam the wiki for years already ;-)
20:58:01 <planetmaker> (in a most welcome way)
20:58:38 <planetmaker> I guess I only have cheese, though
20:58:41 <Sleepie> well I had a longer break
20:59:29 <frosch123> it does not let me cancel the ip block, so unblocked as a whole
20:59:41 <frosch123> just assuming that the central auth system broke that user anyway
20:59:51 <TrueBrain> its a safe assumption :)
21:00:17 <Sleepie> ok now I should content MeusH again but the block id has changed to #7
21:00:29 <TrueBrain> and one of the better things of the new signup system, it is much harder for them to register an account .. so now we only have anonymous spam :P
21:02:09 <frosch123> Sleepie: what's your ip?
21:02:47 <frosch123> that's not in the ban list
21:03:21 <frosch123> anyone else having problems with wiki edits?
21:03:34 <frosch123> that is, anyone not being admin
21:03:39 <Sleepie> its working now a logout/login fixed it
21:04:53 * Sleepie goes now spamming the wiki :P
21:05:46 <Sleepie> but wait till i have added all those viagra links
21:06:36 <Sleepie> its fryday no need to hurry
21:06:43 <TrueBrain> there is always need to hurry :P
21:10:36 <Sleepie> *arrgh* now its complaining when I try to save...
21:18:27 <Sleepie> now I'm totally banned and cannot edit any page :(
21:26:01 <TrueBrain> what is the timestamp in the block notification?
21:26:20 <TrueBrain> (and you were already totally banned ever since your ISP gave you the new IP earlier today :P)
21:26:35 <Sleepie> Start of block: 21:47, 16 March 2006
21:27:11 <Sleepie> no I edited my userpage today already
21:27:18 <TrueBrain> before you got this IP
21:27:50 <Sleepie> I'm no sure I might look in my router
21:28:07 <TrueBrain> just login/logout to the wiki now :P
21:29:25 <Sleepie> hey seems to work again many thanx
21:30:00 <Sleepie> I hope I don't get a banned ip too soon again
21:30:10 <TrueBrain> downside of your ISP
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21:36:10 <Sleepie> I'll go crazy... another block ID #12
21:37:33 <frosch123> why are you getting all the old bans?
21:38:45 <Sleepie> after TrueBrain "fixed" something I could make a test edit on my user page 5min ago
21:43:51 <frosch123> oh, that isle of wight was added to the template
21:43:56 <frosch123> that's why it is so misplaced
21:44:41 <Sleepie> yes I was going to fix this
21:55:56 <Sleepie> thx for fixing the template frosch
21:55:57 <frosch123> that might explain why you are only blocked from some pages
21:56:53 <Sleepie> but if I understand that page correctly the autoblock should go away after 24hours
22:13:08 <TrueBrain> I start to wonder if the latest update is to blame, as this is just odd .. but still possible to be the autoblock
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22:23:13 <TrueBrain> lol; Sleepie got sick of it and got himself a new IP? :P
22:24:02 <Sleepie_> but could be that this also fails because of the autoblocking feature of mediawiki
22:25:39 *** Sleepie_ is now known as Sleepie
22:25:51 <TrueBrain> I suggest trying to edit to village pump
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22:28:44 <TrueBrain> owh noes, a Lord_Aro!
22:31:30 <TrueBrain> owh, lolz, village pump is no longer what it used to be :P Owh well :D
22:31:41 <TrueBrain> now I can block you again for indecent changes :P
22:32:26 * Sleepie is now known as a onetime-spammer and banned forever :P
22:32:53 <TrueBrain> ah, Sandbox, that name is more logic .. oops :D
22:35:01 <Sleepie> And I'm blocked again :(
22:35:32 <TrueBrain> which date this time?
22:36:33 <Sleepie> still Start of block: 22:10, 23 March 2006
22:36:50 <TrueBrain> please logout and login again
22:38:07 <Sleepie> done, but I guess it will happen again
22:38:20 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro
22:38:35 <Sleepie> it seems I can make one edit afterwards and then I'm blocked again
22:41:44 <Sleepie> hmm now I could edit my user page twice seems like voodoo
22:42:17 <TrueBrain> it is also not like I did nothing
22:42:18 * Sleepie fears to try a third time
22:42:24 <TrueBrain> but the real test is a real page
22:42:32 <TrueBrain> Talk: and User:<own> are often allowed, despite a block
22:45:21 <TrueBrain> LordAro: mind editing Sandbox a few times?
22:45:33 <TrueBrain> I need to know if non-admins get banned, or that autoban is annoying Sleepie here
22:45:37 <TrueBrain> Sleepie: which date on the ban?
22:45:43 <Sleepie> Start of block: 14:19, 2 December 2006
22:46:06 <Sleepie> a different one this time
22:46:10 <TrueBrain> LordAro: no, Sandbox
22:46:18 <TrueBrain> (linked from there :P)
22:46:25 <TrueBrain> Sleepie: it has been a different one every time :P
22:47:27 <TrueBrain> and you can edit it again? :)
22:51:18 <Sleepie> got banned from internet
22:52:31 <TrueBrain> Sleepie: you are just in bad luck, and this autoban seems to hit you on a lot of old names :P
22:52:34 <Sleepie> so I think I just have to be patient for 24h
22:52:38 <TrueBrain> strangely, I can't get any information about it
22:52:44 <TrueBrain> while documentation says I should
22:53:22 <Sleepie> no I think there were some words about that even admins have no insight to this
22:53:36 <TrueBrain> there should ben an IPBlockList
22:53:39 <TrueBrain> which doesn't exist
22:54:16 <TrueBrain> so yeah, wait 24h+, and see if it still is there
22:54:21 <TrueBrain> if not ... though luck
22:55:38 <Sleepie> If we have bad luck this could also hit other users now... if they get my "old" ip and they one I'm having now
22:55:46 <TrueBrain> rollback is a nice button, but it doesn't ask for confirmation
22:55:48 <TrueBrain> which is rather nasty
22:56:00 <TrueBrain> this can ban a complete ISP
22:56:05 <TrueBrain> serve it right, stupid DHCP ISPs
22:56:10 <TrueBrain> give a leech for 24h+
22:56:18 <TrueBrain> a new one EVERY 24h is stupid
22:56:23 <TrueBrain> really really stupid tbfh
22:56:28 <TrueBrain> makes people 'anonymous' on the internet
22:57:15 <TrueBrain> and I think it is stupid I cannot find in the database about this blocking shit
22:57:58 <Sleepie> I guess the have intentionelly hidden that in a pandora box
22:59:48 <Sleepie> in a few years everybody will have static ipv6 addresses
23:00:07 <TrueBrain> even your fridge will
23:00:34 <Sleepie> I'm still unsure if that will be better or not
23:04:03 <TrueBrain> so yeah .. I have no clue why it would ban you :P
23:04:10 <TrueBrain> I can't even find IPs of the user that got banned, and you are presented with
23:04:19 <TrueBrain> so no fucking clue how mediawiki can :P
23:05:25 <Sleepie> so you don't have this ipblocklist site on the our wiki?
23:16:57 <TrueBrain> Sleepie: it doesn't work
23:17:01 <TrueBrain> it redirects to the normal blocklist
23:17:04 <TrueBrain> which doesn't mention anything
23:17:09 <TrueBrain> which is why I started to doubt what happened
23:17:14 <TrueBrain> but lets wait 24+h, and check back
23:17:28 <TrueBrain> for now, off to bed for me; night guys
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23:25:35 <LordAro> hate my fukin internet connection
23:31:34 <Sleepie> why so slow or so unstable
23:46:24 <LordAro> not slow, just that my router sees to cut out at random intervals...
23:51:37 <Sleepie> maybe the router is the problem then
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