IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-06-06
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02:57:51 <Rubidium> now I understand there are little Americans and Canadians here... it's totally boring
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09:21:12 <NGC3982> bah, im in the windows server mode
09:21:20 <NGC3982> and i cant seem to load my game save to the network game
09:21:55 <NGC3982> when using load <game.sav>, what is the default directory it searches?
09:24:52 <lugo> you can "ls" and "cd" in the console afaik, default should be <openttd-folder>/save or similar :)
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09:54:06 <burtybob> local a = GSCompanyMode(0); GSCompany.SetPresidentName("Jim Bob Jones"); GSLog.Info("New: " + GSCompany.GetQuarterlyExpenses(GSCompany.COMPANY_SELF, GSCompany.CURRENT_QUARTER));
09:54:55 <burtybob> Using the above code in a NOGO script the log always says "New: 0" even if I build/destroy or do anything that costs money. What am I doing wrong?
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10:18:02 <NGC3982> the (somewhat) new zoom really makes the game shine out.
10:18:24 <NGC3982> i noticed myself playing almost entirely zoomed in
10:21:08 <V453000> just stated that he plays zoomed in? :d
10:21:36 <NGC3982> yes, and that i think i like it more then the default zoom.
10:21:43 <NGC3982> makes it feel more personal
10:22:31 <Hazzard> I wonder what the game would be like if the 2 extra zooms were the normal sprites with scale2x and scale4x
10:23:40 <V453000> idk I think you just dont see enough with the 2x zoom, and 4x zoom is probably good only for investigating graphics
10:23:49 <V453000> 1x still feels the best to me
10:24:14 <V453000> Hazzard: just dowlnoad some extra zoom stuff :) like the opengfx+ trains nightly
10:25:14 <Hazzard> do those have the extra zooms?
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10:56:53 <burtybob> local a = GSCompanyMode(0); GSCompany.SetPresidentName("Jim Bob Jones"); GSLog.Info("New: " + GSCompany.GetQuarterlyExpenses(GSCompany.COMPANY_SELF, GSCompany.CURRENT_QUARTER)); Using the previous code in a NOGO script the log always says "New: 0" even if I build/destroy or do anything that costs money. What am I doing wrong?
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11:09:31 <burtybob> So it seems that the quaterly expenses only gets loan interest. :(
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11:16:01 <burtybob> Is it a bug that GSCompany.getquaterlyexpenses only returns the loan interest?
11:16:30 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: You need to find a post to comment in the AI/GS section and then you will own the entire forum :-)
11:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that would probably cause a quantum singularity or something :p
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11:28:06 <frosch123> burtybob: it returns the sum of runningcost, infrastructure cost and loan interest
11:28:29 <frosch123> i.e. all types of running cost which are not triggered by construction actions
11:41:17 <NGC3982> i dont think we have lots of americans around here
11:41:30 <NGC3982> but does someone know about the american "baby aspirin"?
11:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> over here, that is called a "placebo"
11:42:10 <NGC3982> oh, really? no nutritiants?
11:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> american "aspirin" in general has _much_ less content than european aspirin
11:43:34 <NGC3982> but the american aspirin still contaigns acetylsalicylic acid?
11:43:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i would guess so...
11:43:51 <NGC3982> that's at least what i find in the european (swedish) versions.
11:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but in amounts where you'd need 10 or 20 pills to see the same effect
11:46:09 <NGC3982> the swedish version had 20% RDI (recommended take/day)
11:46:55 <NGC3982> although, acetylsalicylic acids are not present in food.
11:47:09 <NGC3982> so i guess (part from huge costs) you cant go bad on aspirin, that is.
11:48:21 <burtybob> frosch123: I thank you for clearing that up :)
11:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: in germany, it is possible to get 500mg pills without consulting a doctor
11:50:31 <lugo> NGC3982: ld50 is 200mg/kg for rats :)
11:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: anything stronger than that, a doctor must approve
11:52:27 <NGC3982> oh, im sorry, i didnt mean "you cant go bad" as in "not eating to much". i ment simply using it as a nutritian.
11:53:18 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: i would probably not consume it on a regular basis, if that's what you ask
11:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you could get addicted, or it could lose its effect if you actually need it
11:56:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and like all medication, it can have unwanted side effects
11:58:43 <NGC3982> i have always been a bit afraid of medication
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13:13:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r24327 /trunk/src/script/api/script_company.hpp: -Doc: [Script] Improve documentation of ScriptCompany::GetQuarterlyIncome/Expenses().
13:42:14 <Eddi|zuHause> who would wear sliced bread on his feet?
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13:49:37 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: breads are easier to wear if you slice them a bit in the middle to put your feet into
13:49:49 <frosch123> did you never do that?
13:50:20 <frosch123> *have you never done that?
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14:03:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r24328 /trunk/src/ (roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Simplify some silly code.
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14:52:42 <NGC3982> arent those supposed to be animated when in use?
15:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause> no, animation is random
15:14:28 <NGC3982> though, i get nothing at all
15:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it isn't implemented
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17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24329 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files):
17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 2 changes by telanus
17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by Jogio
17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 63 changes by IPG
17:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 11 changes by wojteks86
17:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: swedish - 21 changes by Joel_A
17:46:10 * telanus didn't do any translating today :D
17:46:36 <telanus> me /took the day off. I never work on the 6/6 :D
17:48:48 <andythenorth> fricking linkedin password breach :P
17:49:11 <andythenorth> no idea which sites I use that email / password combo for :P
17:49:32 <andythenorth> 6 million passwords owned and leaked
17:51:18 <andythenorth> "could happen to anyone" :P
17:51:29 <TrueBrain> no, it couldn't ......
17:51:41 <andythenorth> I doubt other services are notably more secure
17:51:57 <andythenorth> as the 'owner' of an infosec policy, it's hard to do right :P
17:52:16 <andythenorth> linkedin have clearly done it wrong in this case though
17:52:39 <TrueBrain> 6M of the 35+M passwords are published
17:52:43 <TrueBrain> so either he did not publish all he stole
17:52:50 <TrueBrain> or something doesn't add up
17:52:55 <TrueBrain> as you don't download a table partial
17:53:08 <andythenorth> holding some back?
17:53:38 <Warod> Is the hash file available somewhere?
17:53:58 <andythenorth> the interwebs has it apparently
17:54:13 <Warod> too lazy to hunt for it
17:54:22 <TrueBrain> what brings you here?
17:54:22 <Warod> I had unique password and already changed
17:54:44 <Warod> I've been here few months already. :)
17:55:14 <Warod> I originally came to talk to you... but you didn't answer my priv. :P
17:55:23 <TrueBrain> hehe; too many windows, too busy :P
17:55:43 <Warod> I would've asked if you had spare time this summer. ;)
17:56:16 * andythenorth ponders RV bounding boxes
17:56:34 <Warod> well.. at least I have now! :P
17:57:03 <TrueBrain> you know what you should do Warod? Donate a mirror to OpenTTD! :P
17:57:44 <Warod> well, not possible to your specifications. :P
17:58:03 <Warod> but BW for distribution is there...
17:58:18 <TrueBrain> still need to write good software for that :(
17:58:18 <Warod> if you're OK with what I can offer easilly. :)
17:58:36 <TrueBrain> when I find some free time to write something for that .... I will :P
17:58:52 <Warod> or just cron based rsync or something
18:00:16 <Warod> git-http-backend would allow pushing. :P
18:00:58 <Warod> that's like using MS source safe! ;P
18:01:42 <Warod> do you have problems with the bandwidth then?
18:02:29 <TrueBrain> US, NL, HU, current mirror locations
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18:03:03 <Warod> and you pick the closest mirror?
18:03:09 <Rawh> Our mirror is 10gbit and you're calling it smallish?
18:03:31 <TrueBrain> its not a bandwidth issue, a latency :)
18:03:45 <Rawh> Be glad I didn't /delete openttd on that michael mail :)
18:03:46 <Warod> you only do distribution?
18:03:50 <TrueBrain> we also have only 1 US, I would love one on the other side of US too :P
18:03:57 <TrueBrain> Rawh: believe me, I am :)
18:04:03 <TrueBrain> Warod: only binary download, yes :)
18:04:13 <Warod> TrueBrain: So latency doesn't even matter. :P
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18:04:32 <TrueBrain> bandwidth of the peering
18:04:52 <TrueBrain> reducing transit traffic? :P
18:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> width divided by radius!
18:05:23 <TrueBrain> double-you without ar?
18:05:25 <Warod> TrueBrain: Yeah, I chould do .fi dist from our corp too.
18:05:49 <Warod> TrueBrain: No cost for .fi traffic @work really. :)
18:07:01 <TrueBrain> Warod: optimal, that is where I want to go the mirror stuff to go too; but I have to write software first, as it seems to be non-existing, mirror software with validation etc (to see if data is mirror'd, automatically revoke mirrors if they fail, etc etc)
18:08:02 <TrueBrain> holy crap, 300GB of bandwidth in 2 weeks on NL alone ... haha
18:08:03 <Warod> TrueBrain: Umm.. couldn't nginx do that?
18:08:11 <Rawh> TrueBrain: You can use launchpad
18:08:22 <Rawh> Ubuntu started using it and it's growing with more projects / products fast
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18:09:07 <TrueBrain> Rawh: launchpad does binary distribution?
18:09:48 <TrueBrain> then I should look into that I guess :)
18:10:05 <Rawh> I'm getting spammy mails when my ubuntu distro isn't uptodate, from launchpad
18:10:37 <andythenorth> is the bananas text info updateable? iirc it is
18:10:51 <andythenorth> a patch of mine for bananas went to production once
18:11:27 * andythenorth ponders 'report abuse' section
18:11:39 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: we have! info@ ;)
18:11:57 <andythenorth> I know, but clearly some people don't find it obvious
18:12:02 <andythenorth> which wastes the time of many others :P
18:12:04 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: 'some' being '1' ;)
18:12:28 <TrueBrain> but agree, the amount of time he wasted on many people is a bit insane ...
18:13:52 * andythenorth might have bananas checked out somewhere
18:15:28 <TrueBrain> while at it, rewrite it :D:D
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18:17:06 <chlorine> Are there guidelines on where to place train depots somewhere?
18:17:26 <chlorine> It seems my trains keep going out of their ways to go to strangely placed depots.
18:17:38 <chlorine> That's the trick then! ;)
18:18:15 <chlorine> I often find trains where they should not be, and I wonder if it's because they're trying to go to depots.
18:18:19 <Eddi|zuHause> chlorine: use "goto depot" or "service at depot" [with ctrl+click] on those trains
18:18:26 <chlorine> It messes up the traffic big time.
18:18:42 <Eddi|zuHause> then it will never ever try to visit other depots
18:18:59 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: one day I learn WSGI and write a new bananas
18:19:07 <andythenorth> only with a collaborator :P
18:19:10 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: the day I finish brickland? :P
18:19:22 <andythenorth> I can do a lot of python page templates and stuff
18:19:26 <chlorine> Eddi|zuHause, do you mean it will assign a depot to a train for all eternity?
18:19:28 <andythenorth> backend, I'm a bad designer
18:19:39 <chlorine> Should I do this when I build the trains then?
18:19:39 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: honestly, I have a draft for BaNaNaS v2
18:19:43 <andythenorth> backend stuff I just don't get correctly, I use bad ideas
18:19:54 <Eddi|zuHause> chlorine: you do this in the order list, where you assign the stations
18:19:56 <TrueBrain> but ... I keep running out of time
18:20:01 <TrueBrain> Diablo 3 killed my free time last month
18:20:20 <chlorine> I thought you meant the goto depot button on the right of the train window!
18:20:21 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: not enough time to do things is solved eventually
18:20:23 <Warod> I've played ottd first time for maaaany years
18:20:25 <chlorine> I understand better!
18:20:34 <chlorine> OK, I'll go and do that, thanks!
18:20:37 <Warod> only game I've played for maaaaaaany years, too. :>
18:21:00 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I just didn't expect mb would be the cause ;)
18:21:17 <andythenorth> mb is the instigator of many things, one way or another
18:21:32 <TrueBrain> rarely for the good, sadly
18:22:04 <TrueBrain> (does it show I am mad at him for emailing all the mirrors with his complaint?)
18:22:05 <andythenorth> bananas - all the validation stuff looks fiddly
18:22:16 <andythenorth> your forum reply to MB was very polite
18:22:24 <TrueBrain> I had to stay within forum rules
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18:23:07 <TrueBrain> and yeah, the most complex part of BaNaNaS is in validating files that get uploaded .. if that is what you mean with validation stuff
18:23:13 <TrueBrain> it started off small ...
18:23:35 <andythenorth> the infringement of MB's copyright is a serious issue
18:23:45 <andythenorth> but mailing all devs and mirror owners is seriously out of proportion
18:23:52 <andythenorth> shows a lack of judgement and sense of context
18:23:57 <andythenorth> it's *just* newgrf
18:24:01 <TrueBrain> yup; it hurts more than it solves
18:24:34 <TrueBrain> but okay, as it goes, we removed to offending file and blocked the grfid from ever being uploaded; easy peasy :)
18:24:38 <andythenorth> whoever has posted it under fake GPL is a dickhead
18:24:44 <TrueBrain> well, not so quick to judge
18:24:46 <Xaroth> it's not a serious issue
18:24:51 <TrueBrain> I did some research on who uploaded it
18:25:02 <TrueBrain> a new user who came by and noticed it was lacking
18:25:09 <Xaroth> having a giant hole where your intestines used to be, that's a serious issue
18:25:12 <TrueBrain> not really reading the rules, most likely thought it would be a good thing to upload
18:25:20 <andythenorth> Xaroth: was going to argue, but fair point :)
18:25:45 <TrueBrain> the user in question downlaoded OpenTTD a few hours earlier
18:26:57 <frosch123> so, a traditional ttdp user :)
18:26:58 <TrueBrain> but meh; enough about this, has kept me busy long enough :P
18:28:26 <andythenorth> did you get inspired towards bounding boxes yet? :)
18:31:56 <frosch123> i tried to test it; either the diff is wrong, or heqs is completely misalligned :p
18:32:38 <frosch123> now i started writing a testgrf with vehicles made of coloured boxes
18:33:07 <andythenorth> HEQS is a bad test case
18:33:16 <andythenorth> the offsets are very botched
18:34:09 <chlorine> I can't believe I gave orders to half my trains to go to the wrong depot :/
18:34:17 <andythenorth> I could generate a test grf if required
18:34:22 <chlorine> I'm really having a hard time with this game
18:34:32 <andythenorth> can't generate test grf tonight though, have work to do :)
18:35:12 <frosch123> i already did the sprites, but did not finish the nml yet
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18:42:02 <andythenorth> I should hack BANDIT against this
18:42:11 <andythenorth> "but first, write marketing docs!"
18:42:17 * andythenorth has stuff to do ;)
18:51:55 <andythenorth> frosch123: it compiles!
18:52:03 <andythenorth> and also the bandit offsets mostly look ok
18:52:17 <andythenorth> they are taken from foobar's templates in the nml tutorial
18:52:32 <andythenorth> and the bb is shown correct size \o/
18:52:49 <andythenorth> well, for \ and / views at least :)
18:53:55 <andythenorth> I haven't confirmed with science that the patch has actually changed the behaviour
18:53:58 <andythenorth> but it looks right
18:54:17 <Terkhen> chlorine: you should use shared orders, they make your life easier
18:55:21 <chlorine> Terkhen, In this way I can make sure I give stupid orders to _all_ my trains at once ;)
18:55:33 <chlorine> But you're right, I should get in the habit of using them.
18:56:11 <chlorine> I only have 19 trains for the moment so it's still easy to manage, but I'd like to grow my network. :)
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19:16:33 <andythenorth> frosch123: patch appears to resolve the issues I had with articulated trucks
19:16:43 <andythenorth> vehicle info view is still screwed :)
19:17:01 <frosch123> i thought it fixes that as well
19:17:15 <andythenorth> depot view looks good
19:17:15 <frosch123> i also change the vehlength to 32 with that diff
19:17:21 <frosch123> which looks nice for heqs
19:17:23 <andythenorth> vehicle info + vehicle list both look wrong
19:17:32 <frosch123> depot is silly, don't look there, look at vehicle details :)
19:17:36 <andythenorth> oh, depot view is screwed too
19:17:48 <andythenorth> could be I need to adjust offsets
19:17:57 <andythenorth> too many variables in this context :P
19:20:00 <andythenorth> HEQS doesn't look too broken to me
19:21:03 <frosch123> i only looked at some trams
19:22:46 <Eddi|zuHause> some of the GermanRV trams were screwed even before
19:23:13 <andythenorth> HEQS trams have issues anyway
19:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and i thought RV always are 32px
19:23:53 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: default trains were 29, with a flag to make it 32
19:24:15 <frosch123> rv have always been 28, with a more than 5 years old "TODO" comment in ttdp
19:28:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i could have sworn that i read in the specs that RV always are 32
19:28:44 <frosch123> hmm, why do i not have a checkout of ogfx+rv?
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20:47:56 <supermop> i want to build things
20:48:22 <supermop> i miss living somewhere where i could drive to a lumberyard and just build something when the mood struck me
20:48:38 <supermop> (and using the architecture school's shop for free)
20:51:57 * andythenorth made a desk once
20:52:04 <andythenorth> probably the most fun I've had while working
20:52:43 <supermop> i love building furniture as a distraction
20:53:02 <supermop> i am sort of in the mood to build a geodesic dome though
20:53:14 <andythenorth> you could live in i
20:53:35 <supermop> not a lot of spare space for a dome in the east village though
20:55:09 <andythenorth> build on the roof of your building
20:55:15 <andythenorth> build in your apartment?
20:58:29 <chlorine> gotta go, bye everyone
21:00:28 <supermop> roof is what im thinking
21:00:37 <supermop> but technically we are not allowed up there
21:01:22 <supermop> and last summer while enjoying a beer on the roof, the 80-something chinese lady who lives on the sixth floor came up, shook her fist at me, then locked the door
21:01:54 <supermop> so I had to climb over to the neighboring building and get their door open to go down to the street
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