IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-04-30
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02:57:37 <Rhamphoryncus> rtyler: hold ctrl when clicking clone
02:58:11 <Rhamphoryncus> rtyler: you can also take an existing vehicle, activate the add new order, and ctrl-click on another vehicle. That'll make them share
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04:40:22 <ElusiveParticle> Excuse me. But would you please visit my website? www.elusiveparticle.tk Thank you so much!
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06:33:01 <Alberth> does anyone know a function to escape arbitrary unicode for html in python?
06:33:38 <Alberth> ie to prevent it being interpreted as html-tags
06:36:34 <Alberth> oh, cgi.esape seems to do the trick :)
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08:44:20 <NGC3982> what is the main language behind openttd? python?
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08:49:11 <Alberth> source code gets written in C++, AI/Scripts in Squirrel, NewGRFs in NFO or NML, websites in HTML. Take your pick :)
08:49:38 <NGC3982> well, im trying to read up as much as i can, since i want to create my first own grf.
08:49:57 <NGC3982> im complete with the idea (as simple as it can be), and i just need to start the actual creating, i guess.
08:50:05 <Alberth> nice, what do you want to make?
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08:50:49 * telanus wonder if a Kilngon Translation of openttd would be possible (or Drow)
08:50:54 <NGC3982> a modification of the standard industries of the temperate climate, where i can directly stimulate the raw material industry output with passengers.
08:51:16 <Alberth> telanus: sure, just translate 4000 strings or so :)
08:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> telanus: as long as you have a font containing the unicode-points, and invest the time in doing it...
08:51:46 <NGC3982> that is the first one ill start with, and after that i wish to make citys produce "workers" (similar to "tourists" in ECS), that will stimulate the industries.
08:51:54 <NGC3982> but the second one will have to wait
08:52:10 <NGC3982> since i need to get my head around coding and get things to actually work at first.
08:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: nml is the choice for your project then
08:54:02 <NGC3982> the thing is, i guess ill start with getting familiar with the software, and then take a look at how other grfs stimulates growth with passengers/material
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09:14:11 <NGC3982> the wiki page seems to know my feelings pretty well
09:14:12 <NGC3982> "Does the above sound impressive, maybe even threatening to you?"
09:14:22 <NGC3982> made a nervous swallow at that point.
09:16:03 <dihedral> openttd is a sophisticated trojan ;-)
09:17:11 <NGC3982> although, im very happy with the NML, as seen on the example in the wiki page
09:17:18 <NGC3982> since NFO looks like a god forsaken mess
09:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it makes a lot of sense, if you can think in assembler
09:18:53 <NGC3982> im a few months in learning C#, and i recognize the basics, at least.
09:20:44 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: thinking in hexadecima; numbers already helps :)
09:21:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i get annoyed by assembler very quickly
09:21:40 <Eddi|zuHause> things start to get repetitive and tedious
09:22:08 <Eddi|zuHause> which is the point when i start to write a code generator :p
09:22:16 <Alberth> I find assembly language more readable than nfo, tbh, at least you have mnemonics there which give a hint what it is about :)
09:22:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you have escapes in nfo :)
09:36:36 <NGC3982> if i understand this correctly, OpenGFX+ is a grf contaigning all the usual industries, but with some version changes?
09:36:46 <NGC3982> and that would be the base of my modification, then.
09:38:50 <Alberth> indeed, it mostly changes default industries, unlike FIRS or ECS, which create completely new industries
09:41:36 <NGC3982> making new stuff from scratch is as of the moment a step to big.
09:41:53 <Terkhen> and the changes are not too invasive :)
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10:04:05 <NGC3982> planetmaker: you have a really cool name,.
10:13:15 <NGC3982> all i need now is an editor.
10:16:17 <Alberth> NGC3982: planetmaker is going to be so happy with your useless highlighting
10:23:43 <NGC3982> if such a thing is prohibited in a chat channel, i would be much obliged if that is stated beforehand.
10:24:56 <TinoDidriksen> It's not prohibited.
10:25:27 <Alberth> but only used when you need that person for something
10:26:32 <TinoDidriksen> Yeah, that is the common IRC community guideline.
10:30:17 <|Jeroen|> yeah useless highlighting i a great offence, i hate it when i have to get out of the sofa for no good reason
10:30:36 <NGC3982> one can clearly notice, this channel does not work like the rest.
10:31:55 <TinoDidriksen> I have not so far seen an IRC channel where spurious highlighting was tolerated, and I'm in quite a lot of them across several networks. It's just how IRC works. But a highlight to praise a name is fine...
10:32:36 <NGC3982> i fail to see the the controversy behind hilighting a nick for a personal message.
10:32:42 * Rubidium praises NGC1300 instead ;)
10:33:00 <NGC3982> if he does not approve of it, he better tell me off or state such in the topic.
10:33:52 <TinoDidriksen> I agree that the specific highlight was fine.
10:36:21 <NGC3982> Alberth: can you rekommend gvim? :)
10:42:55 <Rubidium> Alberth: it's called cif now ;)
10:45:20 <Alberth> good, they made room for the editor, I see :)
10:47:08 <Alberth> Hmm, annotating an utf-8 file with BOM bombs out, as the moves to behind the revision number :p
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10:50:14 <rails> is there like, a recommendes spec for an openttd dedicated server?
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10:55:38 <krinn> hi, i can't get my console login with -d ai=5 in openttd 1.2 ? I suppose the function isn't remove, but has change, to what please ?
10:55:53 <NGC3982> Alberth: im sorry, this might not be related to you (or openttd at all), but do you know if i need something else then gvim to open the grf file (ogfx-industries.grf)?
10:56:16 <NGC3982> when i open it (without any settings) in gvim, i just get alot of jibberish.
10:56:20 <NGC3982> or so it seems, at least.
10:56:28 <Alberth> gfr is a binary format, you cannot open it, except in a hex editor
10:56:52 <Zuu> krinn: Works here except that it complains that ai=5 is an unknown debug level. (I used r24186 though)
10:56:54 <Alberth> why don't you look at its source?
10:57:16 <Alberth> otherwise, you have to decode the grf with grfcodec or grf2html
10:57:34 <Alberth> source is called .nfo or .nml or .pnml or so
10:57:53 <Zuu> "-d" opens up the console window in windows.
10:58:07 <Zuu> You get compile errors for AI and GS there.
10:58:08 <krinn> well, doesn't work anymore here :(
10:58:26 <NGC3982> Alberth: i think i need to read more on the systems behind coding like this.
10:58:47 <Rubidium> krinn, Zuu: it's probably -dscript=5 now
10:58:51 <NGC3982> i dont think i really understand the system
10:58:56 <Alberth> NGC3982: what are you trying to do?
10:59:21 <krinn> Rubidium, nope, same trouble: Unknown debug level 'dscript=5'
10:59:26 <Alberth> ie why do you want to open the grf file?
10:59:26 <krinn> Rubidium, and no output in console
10:59:48 <NGC3982> Alberth: edit the grf file, and learn about how to change the (a) grf.
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11:00:08 <krinn> Rubidium, oh sorry it works !
11:00:15 <Alberth> NGC3982: oh, don't do that :)
11:00:29 <krinn> Rubidium, i have tried -d dscript=5 when it was simply -d script=5
11:00:51 <NGC3982> stupid NGC3982 thought it would be as simple as opening the file and editing the NML code.
11:00:53 <Alberth> the NewGRF system allows making a newgrf that overrides settings of existing industries
11:01:27 <Alberth> so you have to make a new newgrf, that adds pax as input cargo to the mine(?)
11:02:12 <Alberth> write nml code with any text editor
11:02:26 <Alberth> and use nmlc to code it to a grf
11:02:27 <NGC3982> and so i thought, using the opengfx+ grf and simply change it.
11:02:34 <Alberth> load the grf in openttd, and run it :)
11:03:05 <NGC3982> but, how can i do that? i have no experience in the code what so ever. the reason for me wanting to edit an existing grf is to learn about how the code works.
11:03:08 <Alberth> if you want to edito opengfx+industries, that's possible too, just download the source
11:03:17 <NGC3982> oh, i thought i had the source.
11:03:53 <NGC3982> yes, that is what i downloaded. i thought the .grf file was the source.
11:04:44 <planetmaker> yes, I typed by heart
11:05:05 <planetmaker> but.. that's not a download page. It's the project's page which also has the source (link)(
11:05:27 <NGC3982> ogfx-industries-0.3.4.zip <- that is what i downloaded.
11:05:55 <NGC3982> and the contaigned grf file is what i thought i would use to edit (and make a new one with my alterations to it).
11:05:58 <planetmaker> yes, that's the binary, the finished product. Not source
11:06:19 <planetmaker> look at the project page, go for repository
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11:06:38 <planetmaker> that tab gives you the source for online view and the URL to checkout the repo by means of mercurial
11:07:46 <planetmaker> that's not the real source but good enough to look and work with, if you can't be bothered to run the makefile
11:08:04 <NGC3982> i have no idea how makefile works.
11:08:29 <NGC3982> ill take a look at that. thank you.
11:09:45 <planetmaker> you don't need to understand how it works. But you need some command line knowledge and have make, awk and gcc at your disposal. And nml of course
11:10:10 <NGC3982> when i look at the code now, i kind of see how it works.
11:10:53 <NGC3982> where can i read about how i make the nml to a finnished loadable grf?
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11:29:32 <krinn> i wish add a new project in openttd coop, i see the add sub-project button, but in the creation page the subproject dropbox only show my AIs, i wish add this one to ai library and not attach to my AIs, how can i do that ?
11:31:23 <Yexo> you can't, since you're not a manager of the "ai libraries" project
11:31:36 <Yexo> if you make it a sub-project of one of your AIs I'll move it for you
11:32:03 <krinn> ok yexo thanks, i'll do that now
11:35:17 <krinn> Yexo, i don't remember i create the AI a long time ago, what i'm suppose to put as ident ? (a personnal thing, or something that speak by itself like a dictatorai for the AI DicatatorAI) ?
11:35:34 <Yexo> it'll show up in the url
11:35:41 <Zuu> prefix with type of content
11:35:43 <Yexo> so best is "ai-<your ai name>"
11:35:57 <Zuu> or in this case gslib-scp
11:36:14 <krinn> well, there's one in two Zuu, gslib-scp & ailib-scp
11:36:17 <Zuu> or just lib, as it is for both
11:36:53 <Yexo> what does scp stand for?
11:37:03 <krinn> Script communication protocol
11:37:24 <krinn> a "clin d'oeil" to scp the ssh copy :)
11:38:49 <krinn> lol yes, just seen Yexo has done it
11:39:27 <Zuu> anyway, Im off now to trying to find a spot in the park :-)
11:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> have you guys thought about just running an admin-script that pipes between the chat and the script?
11:40:51 <NGC3982> ill admit, i have the deepest respect for code, and people who does it with grace.
11:40:55 <NGC3982> this is hard. really hard.
11:42:57 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, we won't disturb the chat, nor the chat would disturb us this way
11:47:49 <krinn> Yexo: there's an automatic way to add a file to the "file" section without using the web interface?
11:48:17 <Yexo> no idea, try asking Ammler or search for the redmine documentation
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12:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause> brickland, try 3.141
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12:13:09 <TrueBrain> 117 nicks in channel :P
12:13:13 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: why would I try pi?
12:13:38 <Tycoony> there are an installer fpr openttd 3d?
12:13:43 <Eddi|zuHause> because pi tastes good?
12:14:21 <Yexo> that's not about 3d at all
12:14:37 <Yexo> it's only about more colour depth (and more zoom levels)
12:14:49 <Yexo> but you'll get both if you simply install openttd 1.2
12:15:35 <Tycoony> thanks - you have a link?
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12:23:10 <TrueBrain> its old work, but I could finally get the zoom-in sprites loaded :D
12:23:37 <TrueBrain> and, only to shock any of you that know me: I MADE A GRF!
12:24:23 <Terkhen> I never considered making GRFs at all until nml :P
12:24:30 <TrueBrain> with the help of Yexo, planetmaker and Rubidium; I needed a bit of hand-holding there :P
12:25:17 <TrueBrain> Terkhen: I never considered mkaing a GRF. But I want to do 32bpp more, so it kinda won there :P
12:25:50 <TrueBrain> admitatly, it is much better than my solution (pngcodec) :P
12:25:57 <Alberth> I just knew you loved toyland :D
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12:26:09 <TrueBrain> I am just a big kid :P
12:27:17 <planetmaker> :-) I guess we are
12:28:31 <TrueBrain> sadly, while cleaning a few weeks back, I removed a few master blender files ... *le sigh* ... guess I have to restart a bit :P
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12:42:03 <NGC3982> as you may know by now, im new to all of the NewGRF making. i just installed nmlc and im now trying to convert my nml file to a grf.
12:42:23 <NGC3982> im getting an error message wich i cant seem to google an answer to
12:43:08 <TrueBrain> # Default language file "lang/english.lng" doesn't exist
12:43:12 <TrueBrain> it literally tells you what is wrong
12:43:58 <NGC3982> i have no idea in what context this language file exists. i cant seem to figure out if it has to do with linux or ttd.
12:44:19 <NGC3982> TrueBrain: oh, indeed i did.
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12:46:37 <NGC3982> my way of following the tutorial didnt really work, as you can see.
12:47:07 <TrueBrain> I had the same issue like an hour ago :P
12:47:13 <TrueBrain> had to go back as it was really required :P
12:47:20 <TrueBrain> I guess people dont write tutorials for nothing
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12:52:17 <NGC3982> well, i started using the tutorial and made the step by step
12:52:24 <NGC3982> though, i should have read the full damn thing first
12:55:45 <TrueBrain> good thing, you only have to do it once :D
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13:13:47 <NGC3982> i installed openttd on the linux machine i work on, and then copied the engling.lng to a new lang/ catalogue in the directory where i make the grfs.
13:14:21 <NGC3982> it tells me the file uses non-utf8 characters, wich i need to fix. any tip on how i convert files? or am i missunderstandning the process behind using the languge file?
13:16:40 <NGC3982> ah, never mind, the forums told me its my editor.
13:17:14 <TrueBrain> utf-8, I hate utf-8 :P
13:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the bane of all "naive" string handling protocols :p
13:18:16 <Rubidium> yeah, analog files have no encoding problems ;)
13:18:39 <Eddi|zuHause> try sending utf-16 through IRC, for example :p
13:19:58 <valhallasw> TrueBrain: ascii ought to be enough for anybody!
13:20:15 <TrueBrain> it has all I need :D
13:21:06 <Rubidium> and because it has everything you need, you're using a method to encode smileys...
13:21:28 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: \"ahh!
13:21:49 <NGC3982> the file command tells me the english.lng file is binary
13:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: this is not latex :p
13:22:26 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: ;-) have you ever seen how the utf-8 inputenc package works?
13:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: and that is sooooo annoying... i actually bothered to enable inputenc
13:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: because you just type ahead... and then wonder why letters disappeared after compiling...
13:24:49 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: heh. Yeah. Or you get some nice errors because you thought you could use µ - inputenc is set to something that supports greek, after all
13:25:29 <valhallasw> (inputenc=utf-8 does search-and-replace \xc3\xa4 (=ä) to \"a ...
13:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i might have used latin1 back then, not sure
13:29:01 <NGC3982> bah, im not getting anywhere..
13:29:16 <NGC3982> iconv didnt like trying to convert from binary to utf-8.
13:29:32 <TrueBrain> is your .lng just a text file?
13:30:24 <NGC3982> yes, it is. though, file -bi tells me its in a binary charset, and it contaigns the text and a lot of odd chars..
13:30:54 <TrueBrain> start a new file in a real text editor :P
13:31:12 <TrueBrain> I rly dont know, just babbling here :)
13:31:29 <NGC3982> i guess i can try and open the file in a different manor.
13:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: which editor did you use to create it?
13:33:44 <Rubidium> you must be rich if you have multiple manors ;)
13:34:27 <NGC3982> i didnt create it, i downloaded openttd (1.2.0-linux-generic-i686) and copied the file from the lang folder to my own corresponding.
13:34:51 <TrueBrain> NGC3982: you copied the english.lng from OpenTTD release?
13:35:42 * Rubidium assumed you were translating something for/with NML
13:35:50 <TrueBrain> it is also kinda confusing, but .lng from OpenTTD are compiled language files
13:35:56 <TrueBrain> .lng of NML are PLAIN TEXT files
13:36:02 <TrueBrain> that is what has to go in your english.lng
13:36:17 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD has nothing to do with grfs ;)
13:36:25 <TrueBrain> (except it loads them)
13:36:36 <TrueBrain> .lng in this case is a bad choice if you know OpenTTD :P
13:36:42 <NGC3982> that is just an example
13:36:53 <TrueBrain> it is; so extend / change how you feel like
13:36:58 <TrueBrain> the page explains how the format works
13:37:06 <TrueBrain> remember you only needs to have those strings that your grf uses
13:37:21 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD remains untouched, except that you load your resulting grf file
13:37:35 <NGC3982> what im trying to achieve here is making a grf from the nml file i have. the nml file is the ogfx-trains.nml. if i just want to try it out, cant i use a complete language file?
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13:37:52 <TrueBrain> there is no such thing as a "complete language file"
13:38:00 <TrueBrain> each nml has its own language file, which defines the strings for that nml
13:38:03 <TrueBrain> nothing more, nothing less
13:38:24 <NGC3982> so, the corresponding language file would be found somewhere near the nml file.
13:38:29 * NGC3982 backlogs where he downloaded it.
13:38:34 <TrueBrain> in the lang/english.lng near it, yes :P
13:38:59 <NGC3982> i mean the url where i got that nml file.
13:41:38 <TrueBrain> that indeed is lacking the language file :)
13:41:41 <TrueBrain> bug planetmaker I guess ;)
13:42:11 <NGC3982> not until im sure its just not me not understanding.
13:42:21 <planetmaker> yeah, it's not there. For whatever reason. Should be, though
13:43:18 <NGC3982> well, heck with it then. do you have any other example nml file (with a corresponding language file) i can try this with?
13:43:43 <NGC3982> since that seems to be the last step for me to complete the making-a-grf-and-irritating-a-complete-irc-channel quest.
13:44:26 <TrueBrain> if you dont, I do, so no worries :P
13:48:10 <NGC3982> oh, the bundles site had a lot of them
13:48:56 <NGC3982> i guess that is what im looking for.
13:50:16 <NGC3982> although.. no english language file.
13:55:54 <TrueBrain> isn't there a hg repos or something which has the language file?
13:55:58 * TrueBrain looks at planetmaker?
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13:58:07 <NGC3982> Alberth: ah, there we are.
13:58:21 <NGC3982> actually, planetmaker told me this before, although i didnt understand the connection.
14:00:48 <NGC3982> although, this gave me a whole bunch of new errors.
14:01:07 <TrueBrain> I guess that is progress? :D
14:03:01 <NGC3982> and, that language file does not look like the example file, for instance.
14:03:12 <TrueBrain> in what way doesnt it?
14:03:15 <NGC3982> it seems to be using lots of html
14:03:36 <TrueBrain> I dont see HTML anywhere?
14:03:51 <TrueBrain> you were wgetting the URL Alberth gave, werent you?
14:04:07 <NGC3982> thats lame. ny browser downloaded the actual site contaigning the engling.lng file
14:04:21 <TrueBrain> well, that wont work :P
14:04:23 <NGC3982> yes, but i guess i did something horrible when downloading it.
14:05:11 <NGC3982> there we are, thank you :)
14:05:29 <NGC3982> "undefined command: VERSION"
14:08:23 <TrueBrain> it seems to be part of the make-bundle they use (guessing here, first time looking in that code)
14:08:28 <NGC3982> i have to set the version.
14:08:39 <NGC3982> yes, i just noticed that "VERSION" is something, and not just a word.
14:09:06 <TrueBrain> there is some mention about custom_tags.txt, no clue what that is :P
14:09:27 <Terkhen> yes, the makefile framework replaces {VERSION}, IIRC for the current hg revision
14:09:44 * NGC3982 is yet to learn makefile
14:10:30 <TrueBrain> I would just add: VERSION :<string>
14:10:38 <TrueBrain> but that might not be the right way :D
14:10:48 <TrueBrain> TITLE and FILENAME you ened too most likely :)
14:13:11 <NGC3982> i feel a bit stuck, since the tutorial doesnt seem to take the makefile thingy into concideration.
14:13:15 * NGC3982 continues to explore.
14:13:54 <TrueBrain> the tutorial has little to do with it :)
14:14:03 <TrueBrain> the openttdcoop projects mostly use a framework, as far as I understand
14:14:07 <TrueBrain> which they build, apart from NML
14:14:10 <TrueBrain> which takes care of a few things
14:14:16 <TrueBrain> like, obviously, VERSION ;)
14:14:18 <Terkhen> yes, the makefile framework is independent from NML
14:14:20 <TrueBrain> NML itself doesnt need it
14:14:39 <Terkhen> the makefile "just" takes all of your pnml files, puts them all in a single file, and gives that file to NML
14:15:10 <TrueBrain> runs GCC preprocessor over it, and more of those additional tasks :)
14:19:42 <NGC3982> if i wish to use this language file
14:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: making a completely new GRF based on the nml tutorial and compiling an existing GRF are two entirely different things
14:20:08 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: so, i guess the better thing to do is to skip what im doing and strictly make a tutorial grf?
14:20:17 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: if you compile an existing grf, you better check out the full source
14:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: yes. you should first follow the tutorial by the letter
14:25:30 <TrueBrain> depends on your end-goal ofc :)
14:25:43 <TrueBrain> but otherwise, checkout that hg repos, and run 'make' ;)
14:26:03 <NGC3982> i just deleted everything i did this morning
14:26:07 <NGC3982> ill stick to the tutorial
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15:50:34 * andythenorth ponders releasing FIRS 0.7.5
15:52:28 <V453000> ^^ I will do some testing when I have all cargoes drawn andy :p
15:52:34 <andythenorth> maybe I should play a test game
15:52:49 <andythenorth> imo, the change to randomise initial production is a BIG win
15:53:03 <andythenorth> V453000: I don't know if you saw, I took your comments about farms into account
15:53:28 <V453000> noticed an email but didnt investigate further
15:53:59 <V453000> what is teh pax production now?
15:55:58 <andythenorth> V453000: for most farms, max is around 256t
15:56:03 <andythenorth> starting production varies 16t-40t
15:57:03 <V453000> I dont know that still feels so low, connecting a mine with 2k cap is probably still so much more efficient
15:57:11 <andythenorth> the mines don't have 2k ;)
15:57:20 <V453000> what is max for other industries then?
15:57:29 <andythenorth> I increased it yesterday, let's see
15:57:39 <andythenorth> mines were 896t, now they're 1728t
15:57:49 <andythenorth> oil wells *do* have 2k
15:58:26 <V453000> yeah but that is my point. Connecting farms always requires a lot of things to be done. Not only that there are many farms in the cluster, but also that you need to produce FMSP somehow
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15:58:39 <V453000> their production cap should imo be a lot higher than anything else
15:59:05 <andythenorth> I'd rather fix the FMSP issue somehow
15:59:20 <andythenorth> rewarding players for delivering FMSP is not a bad idea
15:59:21 <V453000> or just reduce the max production of mines
15:59:30 <andythenorth> but delivering FMSP is not exciting :P
15:59:39 <andythenorth> every farm needs so many stations :P
15:59:58 <Rhamphoryncus> I think farm clusters should be less dense
16:00:01 <V453000> there are various ways how to do it, but still
16:00:11 <V453000> nah i think the density is nice to have for the change
16:00:32 <Rhamphoryncus> V453000: I had a game with 14 farms in one cluster
16:00:36 <V453000> but the difference needs to be adressed also from the general point of view if it doesnt hinder farms too much and eventually hinder other industries if it does
16:00:39 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: that's excessive :)
16:00:51 <andythenorth> v - I don't mind normalising the production a bit more
16:01:03 <andythenorth> farms ~500t, other industries 1k
16:01:13 <andythenorth> but I'm not making farms excessive
16:01:19 <V453000> I think that would make a lot of sense
16:01:35 <Rhamphoryncus> I've pushed against it so much that the last several games I haven't even bothered to service more than 1 or 2 of the same industry
16:01:35 <andythenorth> I'll play a test game I think, I haven't played the game for a long time
16:02:06 <V453000> I have majority of wagons drawn already, so my test game is close too :p
16:02:18 <V453000> want to have every cargo look different
16:02:23 <Rhamphoryncus> V453000: ahh, you are adding more wagon types to NUTS?
16:02:31 <V453000> no, just a new generation
16:02:55 <V453000> and fixing/upgrading/filling in some other generations
16:03:20 <andythenorth> the issue I want to solve is FMSP
16:03:32 <V453000> what exactly is the issue with that?
16:03:50 <andythenorth> boring to connect up so many 1-tile truck dropoffs
16:04:16 <andythenorth> I've considered 'farm cluster is one giant industry' and it was rejected
16:04:24 <V453000> I dont think that is a problem, I actually like it that you can think of many different ways how to distribute the supplies
16:04:44 <andythenorth> maybe there should be a free source of FMSP
16:04:55 <andythenorth> that;s what pikka is doing in tai
16:05:06 <V453000> the real problem is that farms are always dependent on other cargoes, yet they have no advantage atm
16:05:13 <V453000> always unless you ahve the biorefinery..
16:05:25 <Rhamphoryncus> Make the minimum spread (across all 4 types of farm) a bit larger, apply my stockpile patch
16:05:41 <Rhamphoryncus> Fertilizer plants, located near farms?
16:06:14 <V453000> free source of supplies ... I think that goes against the logic of supplies as something you have to produce to get your industries growing
16:06:39 <andythenorth> V453000: I'd consider it though
16:07:01 <Rhamphoryncus> Well ideally the livestock farms would also produce poo which you take to the fertilizer plant ;)
16:07:09 <andythenorth> ^^ old idea, never implemented
16:07:37 <andythenorth> Alberth: looks good, how do we mark strings as 'untranslateable' ?
16:07:48 <andythenorth> e.g dates, nml substrings etc
16:07:56 <V453000> if the Guano mine would have just low production, I think that would not be a bad idea
16:08:15 <Alberth> andythenorth: you need to fix nml for that :p
16:08:31 <andythenorth> guano would also expire at a certain date
16:08:37 <Rhamphoryncus> Fixed production, like fisheries? Which encourages an eventual changeover to scalable options
16:08:54 <V453000> on the other hand, it would make it reasonable to build a direct connection between guano mine and the farms ... I would put an industry between those - Guano mine - FMSP producer - farms
16:10:42 <andythenorth> Alberth: do it renum style: @@translation_off, @@translation_on
16:11:26 <andythenorth> V453000: guano processor?
16:11:46 <andythenorth> but the point is to get FMSP for free?
16:11:56 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rhamphoryncus> Well ideally the livestock farms would also produce poo which you take to the fertilizer plant ;) <-- that would very well be an idea for the agriculture economy
16:12:42 <andythenorth> patch for more output cargos!
16:12:42 <Rhamphoryncus> Eddi|zuHause: but would require a 3rd output for industries
16:12:53 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: I already suggested that and you shot it down
16:13:10 * andythenorth tries to remember if tiles can produce
16:13:51 <andythenorth> teach NoGo to build co-located industries?
16:14:52 <V453000> well yeah but the guano would not be useful for anything else
16:15:09 <V453000> atm all the main thigns like oil, coal, iron ore etc are greatly useful for other things
16:15:17 <V453000> FMSP is just a side effect
16:15:40 <V453000> maybe some of the goods-only cargoes like stone or sand (iirc) could make FMSP
16:16:45 <andythenorth> stone makes FMSP at the lime kiln
16:16:49 <andythenorth> or does it make chemicals?
16:17:02 <andythenorth> no FMSP directly
16:17:18 <V453000> that is not so bad then
16:17:24 <V453000> but ... no ES from that
16:17:35 <andythenorth> "no, it makes FMSP directly" would have made more sense above :P
16:17:38 <V453000> in compare to for example oil - oil is able to exist on itself
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16:17:45 <NGC3982> wiki pages that describes brackets as "curly" are good wiki pages.
16:18:01 <V453000> plus it makes FMSP or anything you want
16:18:11 <V453000> stone -> fmsp cant grow as it doesnt have ES
16:18:53 <V453000> I know it isnt just about single chain as everything should be nicely linked in FIRS, but if you start with oil network, you do not have any real reason to focus on other industries and you can just grow your oil wells to the 2k
16:19:12 <andythenorth> V453000: and therein lies a moral tale about our civilisation ;)
16:19:35 <V453000> if oil wells would have a limit of 500 and farms of 500-in-clusters, then you would have a damn good reason to bother with farms
16:20:39 <andythenorth> I won't equalise them, but I'll push them closer together in the range
16:20:51 <andythenorth> I'll do that later today ;)
16:21:04 <V453000> not necessarily equal, but you get the point :¨)
16:21:20 <andythenorth> cluster of 4 farms at 2x400t ea. is ... quite a lot of output
16:21:41 <V453000> sure, which it should be as you put a lot of effort in connecting them, and produce supplies for them from another source
16:22:12 <andythenorth> other industries can cap out around 1600t per cargo
16:22:22 <andythenorth> I'm not 100% convinced that farms shouldn't be one big industry
16:22:28 <andythenorth> but meh, we had that debate at least twice
16:22:39 <V453000> nah, that would make it stupid, they would just become the same thing
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16:22:49 <V453000> now they are something different, nice variety
16:23:22 <V453000> I think if this "balance" between farms and other industries is improved, it will be a lot better
16:23:34 <andythenorth> if stations would round-robin delivered cargo, the FMSP delivery would be much easier ;)
16:24:19 <andythenorth> only if you station walk a lot :P
16:24:28 <V453000> thats the point, nothing would be different from other industries
16:24:33 <V453000> what would be the interesting thing then
16:26:19 <NGC3982> is the correct word for {} braces, or brackets?
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16:48:52 <supermop> so is there a good railtype tutorial anywhere?
16:48:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r24188 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: (log message trimmed)
16:48:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix-ish [FS#5151] (r1): when changing the basics of a window (fullscreen,
16:48:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: 8bpp/32bpp), and a window already exists, it was forced out of maximize mode,
16:48:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: and its resolution/position was reset, often causing unwanted side-effects. As a
16:48:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: "bonus", a WC_SIZE was triggered, and if the system was going from 8bpp to 32pp,
16:48:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: this caused a forced window update in a limbo-state of the blitter (not fully
16:48:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: 32bpp just yet, but for sure no longer 8bpp); this could cause random memory
16:49:22 <supermop> how do I include 4x sprites?
16:49:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r24189 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Fix: when going to fullscreen and back, restore to the resolution you were, not to the fullscreen resolution (Windows only)
16:50:30 <TrueBrain> awh, CIA-1 doesnt show my epostol in its full :'(
16:52:32 <andythenorth> V453000: how do you feel about FMSP having 2x current effect?
16:52:36 <andythenorth> i.e. production ramps faster
16:52:54 <V453000> does not fit too well for me
16:53:05 <andythenorth> still have to build the truck routes :P
16:53:05 <V453000> from my ideal point of view, farms would be something for the bright future
16:53:29 <V453000> so it would take a lot of time and effort to get to some amazing stage of huge production
16:53:30 <andythenorth> 2x doesn't work well if there are free FMSP on the map either
16:54:07 <V453000> nah, I dont think too quick growth is good
16:55:15 <andythenorth> I think I'll reject that idea
16:55:27 <andythenorth> the free FMSP is the next thing to explore
16:56:47 <andythenorth> tbh, it was an anti-goal to have very high farm production
16:57:03 <andythenorth> I made it low because I find it silly to have 50 trucks waiting at a farm with high production
16:57:09 <supermop> andythenorth: I just started a small 128x128 game in 1880 and am having fun with heqs for street running railways along the harbour
16:57:17 <V453000> well you dont have to do it with trucks? :D
16:57:29 <andythenorth> no, and I don't mind testing alternatives
16:57:44 <andythenorth> how much milk do you really need though?
16:57:54 <supermop> I would prefer many, smaller farms
16:58:01 <andythenorth> maybe the arable farm and mixed farm should gain more than the others
16:58:34 <V453000> the farms which make FMSP through biorefinery should gain less
16:58:38 <V453000> not sure which are those
16:59:22 <andythenorth> arable farm primarily
16:59:30 <supermop> or, farms as they are now as industries, but also a FIRS-like houses that provide 'farmsteads' at the exrems edge of town, 2x2 houses that produce farm products
17:00:11 <supermop> can a house prefer to locate in fields?
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17:03:50 * NataS bleeds all over the place
17:04:16 <andythenorth> well don't make a mess
17:04:46 * NGC3982 just made his first grf work.
17:10:09 <andythenorth> so arable farm produces grain and sugar beet
17:10:13 <andythenorth> always in same ratio
17:10:26 <andythenorth> should I make it produce more of one or something?
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17:11:38 <michi_cc> andythenorth: Make it random? Some soil is better for grain, some for sugar beet.
17:11:49 <andythenorth> requires recoding :P
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17:12:07 <andythenorth> I have to write my own production code for tht
17:14:42 <michi_cc> Can't you solve that via the initial production multiplier?
17:15:22 <andythenorth> we took it out of scope for cb 15F ;P :)
17:17:21 <andythenorth> I'd need to fake the standard production method via the production cb
17:17:30 <andythenorth> achievable, but means writing new code
17:22:08 <NGC3982> the newgrf folder is the ..preferable folder for newgrf files?
17:24:10 <NGC3982> what on earth did i just do. the grf name was scanned (/openttd/content_download) and loaded. i then changed it a bit (to the tutorial version of the NML Example NewGRF).
17:24:17 <NGC3982> now, i cant find it in the list.
17:24:54 <andythenorth> rescanned newgrfs?
17:25:03 <andythenorth> if that fails, restarted openttd?
17:25:46 <NGC3982> copied the files to multiple locations (/newgrf, /content_download, /content_download/data)
17:25:53 <NGC3982> and restarted, a few times.
17:25:58 <NGC3982> ill try and rename it.
17:26:16 <Rubidium> don't duplicate GRFs, that'll only make a mess of things
17:26:25 <Rubidium> furthermore, don't manually put stuff in content_download
17:27:23 <NGC3982> ill delete all of it, rename it (that is, remake the grf from the nml file with a new name), clean the openttd directory and retry.
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17:29:34 <NGC3982> i put the file in /openttd/newgrf.
17:29:53 <NGC3982> the wiki told me to put it in the data directory, wich only exists in the content_download.
17:29:57 <Rubidium> there might a bug in the GRF; then openttd -d grf=1 might show something
17:30:08 <Rubidium> NGC3982: the wiki is always outdated
17:30:35 <NGC3982> where do i use that command?
17:30:50 <Rubidium> from the command line of your operating system
17:36:09 <NGC3982> Rubidium: i cant seem to find any reference to it being found.
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17:36:46 <NGC3982> this is odd. i fail to find any reference to it existing at all
17:36:52 <NGC3982> ill try it locally on linux
17:37:06 <Rubidium> then increase the number (will spew more info; goes up to 9)
17:41:21 <NGC3982> "StaticGRFinfo: 'MINV' defined before 'VRSN' or 'VRSN' set to 0, ignoring this field"
17:43:58 <NGC3982> google tells me MINV and VRSN has to do with the version of the game
17:45:07 <Rubidium> it's the version of the NewGRF
17:45:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24190 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt traditional_chinese.txt):
17:45:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 90 changes by Luper
17:45:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 11 changes by Paragulis
17:45:23 <michi_cc> NGC3982: a) That's just a warning and shouldn't have an effect on the grf list. b) Why are you using a version that is known to be faulty?
17:46:12 <NGC3982> i actually have no idea. i didnt really think about updating the game to the latest version while messing with the grfs. :)
17:49:54 <NGC3982> im actually a bit clueless on why it doesnt work.
17:52:50 <andythenorth> so how do I fake game's production mechanic?
17:52:59 <andythenorth> I need to get prod_level
17:54:08 <andythenorth> and then I need to fake production multipliers in some storage
17:54:13 <andythenorth> and I need a random switch
17:54:47 <andythenorth> and I need to make this a CPP macro :o
17:55:12 * andythenorth has been trying to get on better terms with CPP macros
17:55:35 <andythenorth> repeating "it's just like a broken function" seems to help :P
17:56:03 <NGC3982> something is definetly broken
17:56:17 <NGC3982> since my old grf file no longer has any effect and gives the same error as stated above
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18:01:46 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: fancy patching FIRS primary production?
18:04:04 * andythenorth wishes there was an easy way to tell which storage was in use at an industry
18:09:49 <DorpsGek> oskari89: DanMacK was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <DanMacK> WB Andy
18:11:05 <andythenorth> he pm-ed me sat 21st
18:11:34 * andythenorth wtfs at how to find which permanent storage is in use
18:11:50 <andythenorth> probably write an industry window text over-ride that displays all registers
18:12:21 <andythenorth> it's strange that the newgrf debug window shows it for some industries, but not others
18:12:44 <andythenorth> maybe if storage is unused, it's not shown at all
18:13:19 <andythenorth> evidence seems that way
18:23:25 * andythenorth wishes at least one of his partners-in-crime wasn't busy with RL :P
18:23:29 <andythenorth> pair coding is more fun
18:23:32 <andythenorth> even with the arguments :P
18:24:48 <supermop> teach your kid to code?
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18:54:22 * andythenorth wants an industry to plant a row of houses, that then die on next tick
18:54:27 <andythenorth> this would provide a buffer :P
18:56:08 * andythenorth devises prize for the most baroque solution to prevent industries touching
18:56:31 <Terkhen> minimum distance callback?
18:57:55 <andythenorth> that's not baroque :)
18:58:30 <andythenorth> you need to invent some scheme like planting objects, or signs
19:07:48 <andythenorth> running the location check in the nml graphics branch seems odd
19:07:52 <andythenorth> how does that work?
19:08:11 <andythenorth> it's a default industry tile being redefined
19:08:24 <andythenorth> usually tile_check would be needed to handle that cb
19:19:02 <frosch123> you cannot add callback to default industry tiles
19:19:21 <frosch123> you have to replicate the whole tile for that
19:23:15 <NGC3982> is there any text editor in linux that shows the number of lines?
19:24:53 <frosch123> haha, i think you rather want to ask how to enable it for your editor :p
19:24:59 <Rubidium> is the number of lines really interesting?
19:25:02 <frosch123> what are you using currently?
19:25:12 <Rubidium> I usually don't care whether a file has 100 or 105 lines
19:25:21 <NGC3982> Rubidium: yes, im getting an error on line 76, and i cant find line 76.
19:25:35 <frosch123> then try ctrl+g or ctrl+l
19:25:42 <Rubidium> or, so you want it to show the line numbers
19:25:43 <frosch123> (most common hotkeys for that)
19:28:20 <NGC3982> ctrl+g gave me the help
19:28:27 <frosch123> ah, so a console editor
19:28:31 <NGC3982> but i cant manage to get to a specific line number.
19:29:06 <Rubidium> ctrl+c shows the current position then
19:29:45 <andythenorth> frosch123: it appears to work :P
19:29:53 <andythenorth> but testing is hard
19:30:21 <andythenorth> maybe it doesn't work, but I haven't seen it fail yet :P
19:40:08 <NGC3982> and i cant figure out what im doing wrong.
19:42:24 <Rubidium> missing semicolon on 67?
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19:45:31 <NGC3982> there we are, lots of manual errors in the file
19:45:35 <NGC3982> but it seems to be fixed.
19:48:50 <Alberth> you also have automatic errors?
19:49:26 <andythenorth> the unexpected } catches me sometimes ;)
19:49:42 <andythenorth> I could patch the error I guess to be more helpful
19:49:56 <andythenorth> but overly-helpful errors can sometimes be wrong and misleading
19:51:03 <NGC3982> the thing is, i started looking for missing or added {}
19:51:10 <NGC3982> not looking at the missing ; at all.
19:51:18 <NGC3982> although, i fixed it, and the grf works \o/
19:52:35 <NGC3982> btw, where do i put the grfs in openttd-1.2.0-linux-generic-i686?
19:53:55 <NGC3982> since i didnt install anything, i guess the grfs go somewhere in the extracted catalogue..
19:55:09 <NGC3982> with that, i guess ~/.openttd is created upon opening the game?
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20:06:42 <NGC3982> yet again, i have stumbled upon trouble
20:07:36 <NGC3982> http://pastebin.com/vH7s3aVH <- this code is the tutorial bus grf (except corrected with some {};, wich the uploaded text isnt). i get everything to work except loading. it doesnt load passengers at all, but stand still at 0%.
20:07:46 <NGC3982> i fail to see what im doing wrong.
20:07:58 <NGC3982> am i missing a property?
20:08:38 <drac_boy> hm dunno sorry, wait for someone else? :)
20:09:55 <NGC3982> drac_boy: ive been up the buts of the people in here all day.
20:10:42 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 442000
20:11:14 <andythenorth> @calc 442000 / 1442
20:11:14 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 306.518723994
20:11:34 <NGC3982> drac_boy: im making my first grf, and it hasnt gone smoothly.
20:13:57 <drac_boy> sorry I can't help you much with that NGC3982
20:21:29 <drac_boy> NGC3982 I do have a large tracking table and some sprites tho ... could use a coder? :P
20:21:49 <NGC3982> you wouldnt want me close to your code.
20:22:04 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: I don't suppose you can shrink the radius at which openttd creates farming fields?
20:22:20 <andythenorth> you could patch the game ;)
20:22:59 <NGC3982> what property regulates how good/passengers are loaded on a vehicle?
20:23:19 <drac_boy> NGC3982 I wasn't asking you you silly thing :P
20:23:30 <Rhamphoryncus> Oi, that was a good chunk of backscroll to catch up on
20:24:23 <NGC3982> default_cargo_first_refittable isnt featured in the tutorial
20:24:29 <NGC3982> i think i might need it to make it load at all
20:24:52 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: I do wonder how annoying the farm clusters would be with my 6 month stockpile
20:25:16 <Rhamphoryncus> less, possibly by a lot
20:26:34 <Rhamphoryncus> hrm. Can conditional acceptance stop partway through unloading? Force it to only accept 5 crates?
20:27:02 <Rhamphoryncus> If so you could have one truck load up, then hit several farms until empty
20:29:49 <andythenorth> Terkhen: are you translating FIRS currently?
20:30:04 <Terkhen> I translated everything yesterday
20:30:24 <Terkhen> if it does not include any new strings, the spanish translation is complete right now
20:30:43 <andythenorth> might release FIRS 0.7.5 soon
20:31:35 * NGC3982 doesnt get the crap to work.
20:31:44 <Rienzilla> can I prevent openttd from adding implicit destinations?
20:32:24 <Rienzilla> well i have trains with a gazillion implicit destinations which have been added when I rerouted some tracks
20:33:30 <Rhamphoryncus> Rienzilla: use non-stop orders, always
20:33:38 <Rhamphoryncus> there's a config option to make them the default
20:34:02 <drac_boy> Rhamphoryncus why break something that used to work tho?
20:34:42 <Rhamphoryncus> Rienzilla: look in the orders window, one of the drop downs has an option for non-stop
20:34:51 <drac_boy> why non-stop if theres nothing to stop at basically that is
20:35:17 <Rienzilla> but will it then stop adding te implicit stops?
20:35:37 <Rhamphoryncus> non-non-stop means stop randomly anywhere you happen to trip over, which happens quite often
20:36:11 <Rhamphoryncus> Rienzilla: yes. It only reports implicit stops because the vehicle actually did stop there. They don't affect behaviour, they just report that it happened
20:37:43 <Rienzilla> if I want to change/copy orders for a gazillion of trains, what's the fastest way?
20:38:01 <Rhamphoryncus> make them shared orders in the first place
20:38:03 <Rienzilla> I'm now opening them, deleting all the orders, and then click go to on a template train
20:38:12 <Rhamphoryncus> ctrl-click your template
20:38:22 <Rhamphoryncus> you can also hold down ctrl when cloning in the first place
20:38:42 <Rienzilla> ctrl-click the orders window? or the train itself?
20:38:47 <Chris_Booth> pressing 2 buttons at once?
20:39:01 <Rhamphoryncus> select "go to", then ctrl-click the template train
20:39:16 <Chris_Booth> you my hurt yourself if you use 2 buttons at the same time
20:39:35 <Rienzilla> I do that once for all trains and then when I change the orders of the template train the rest follows auto?
20:39:42 * drac_boy thinks Chris_Booth is a bit too crazy now
20:39:52 <Rhamphoryncus> Chris_Booth: .. my mouse has 14. What happens if I press them all at once?
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20:40:07 <Chris_Booth> Rhamphoryncus: you will break the mouse
20:40:08 <drac_boy> Chris_Booth did you forgot about needijng three at once with ctrl+alt+del? :p
20:40:32 <Chris_Booth> oh no not windows XP and CTRL ALT Del!
20:40:40 <Chris_Booth> I needed a 3rd are for that
20:40:53 <Chris_Booth> in fact I used my nose to press the delete key
20:41:06 <drac_boy> Chris_Booth are you telling me you have no hands?
20:41:25 <Rhamphoryncus> Just don't ask what he does if he needs a 4th button
20:41:28 <Chris_Booth> what are these hands you talk about?
20:41:32 <CornishPasty> I can ctrl+alt+del with 1 hand...
20:42:10 <Chris_Booth> CornishPasty: you must have giant hands or a tiny keyboard
20:42:25 <CornishPasty> Chris_Booth: I just use the right hand ctrl and alt
20:42:27 <Rhamphoryncus> Chris_Booth: alt+ctrl on the right side, not the left?
20:43:39 <Chris_Booth> I didn't even know that worked!
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20:44:45 <Rhamphoryncus> Go ahead and try it. Hit it a few times if it doesn't work at first. I'll wait.
20:45:03 <drac_boy> how about hitting alt+F4 instead?
20:45:07 <drac_boy> crude joke I know :)
20:45:18 <Chris_Booth> I don't have a windows computer near me to try it with Rhamphoryncus
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20:47:12 <Rhamphoryncus> ah. No idea about the mac equivalent
20:47:13 <Chris_Booth> well kinda Mac, iOS
20:47:23 * NGC3982 still cant get it to work :(
20:47:41 <CornishPasty> Can be done with one hand :P
20:48:17 <Chris_Booth> middle and power can be pressed with one hand
20:48:22 <Chris_Booth> to reset the iPhone
20:52:48 <NGC3982> im not finding any property or function that supports what im doing
20:52:55 <NGC3982> im going for a close call.
20:53:07 <NGC3982> planetmaker: since i notice you were a part of the tutorial, i think i need your help on this one.
20:56:06 <NGC3982> planetmaker: im making the flatbed truck as of the tutorial. the problem im getting is that the truck doesnt load passengers at bus stations (even though its set as the tutorial states).
20:56:20 <NGC3982> i have tried simply pasting the stuff into a new nml file, making a grf and trying it again.
21:07:55 <jahina> can someone help me install an app please ?
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21:13:49 <NGC3982> planetmaker: never mind this (yet again) useless hilight. i solved it.
21:31:10 <planetmaker> I never noticed that I'm part of any tutorial...
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21:32:25 <supermop> Apparently so; just highlighting your name helps people solve problems!
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21:52:31 <NGC3982> planetmaker: according to the tutorial, you (and some other people) made the examples.
21:52:53 <planetmaker> still doesn't make me part of the tutorial ;-)
21:53:21 <planetmaker> sorry, it's playing words :-)
21:53:41 <planetmaker> of course, I made part of the tutorial. But I am not part of it ;-)
21:53:48 <NGC3982> i feel like a five year old when i experiment with the engine png's.
21:56:29 <Mazur> While in actuality you all of 5½ years old already!
21:57:07 <Eddi|zuHause> probably more like 5 billion years :p
21:59:26 <Rienzilla> is it also possible to mass-change the amount/type of vehicles for all trains in a group?
22:02:26 <Eddi|zuHause> type yes, amount no
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22:12:21 <Rienzilla> and ehm, a way to get a list of all trains that have a certain station in their order list?
22:16:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. in the station window, there are little train/ship/plane/etc. buttons
22:41:51 <drac_boy> btw any of you know a bit about linux distros? if not thats ok
23:14:22 <drac_boy> V453000 no need to be obvious :p
23:14:34 <V453000> actually I was not obvious at all
23:15:01 <V453000> about 90% of the people in this channel probably know a damn lot about linux, you just asked a very wrong question :)
23:16:00 <drac_boy> V453000 and what do you mean by that? :P
23:16:12 <V453000> Don't ask to ask, just ask
23:16:30 <V453000> you should ask your problem straight away :p
23:18:10 * drac_boy whumps a pillow at V453000?
23:19:01 <Rhamphoryncus> V's got a thick skull. Use something harder, like a brick.
23:19:28 <drac_boy> Rhamphoryncus nah I'll rather not
23:19:36 <drac_boy> that'll be considered abuse then ;)
23:22:03 <drac_boy> so hm anyway first thing was, any thought on gentoo or source mage for a customizeable distro that still can be kept up to date easily?
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