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01:20:20 <Nat_AS> why are there no two sided path signals?
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09:33:30 <Rhamphoryncus> Hrm. What's openttd's variant of malloc?
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14:15:55 <tumuke> does anyone know if the stable version .debs will be available for ubuntu natty?
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17:18:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23942 /trunk/src/ (saveload/afterload.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Fix: infrastructure cache of standard road stops would get messed up when buying a company with them
17:34:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23943 /trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp: -Fix (r23835) [FS#5061]: Also list DEITY signs in the signlist in SE.
17:38:15 <Rhamphoryncus> Hey, it didn't crash! It only took 2 days but I figured out how to save an array! By pretending it's a string...
17:43:51 <camilo> have been unable to join multiplayer games -- mostly I get "network - game connection lost"
17:44:08 <camilo> but sometimes "you took too long to join the server"
17:44:20 <Rhamphoryncus> What's your network connection?
17:44:53 <Rhamphoryncus> hrm. Dunno then.
17:45:28 <camilo> it seems to happen since I upgraded to 1.2.0-beta4
17:46:14 <camilo> actually, after 20 tries or so I am sometimes able to connect, and then I can play for hours without problem
17:47:20 <Rhamphoryncus> Openttd's handling of joining is rather crude
17:48:10 <Rhamphoryncus> Someone else I've been talking to is having similar problems
17:49:04 <Rhamphoryncus> Basically, if you ask to join it stops everything and waits for you to finish. However, since this can be slow (maps are a lot of data to download) and nobody can play in the mean time it has a short timeout
17:49:58 <camilo> that's a pity.. should download before joining, and then apply a diff to bring your client up to speed
17:50:11 <camilo> or something like that
17:50:43 <Rhamphoryncus> Should. It'd actually just need a large buffer for your client and maybe a way to have your time run fast until caught up
17:50:45 <camilo> hate to think my 20 tries to join have been causing pauses in other people's play
17:52:01 <camilo> will try downgrading to 1.1.5 & joining smaller servers
17:53:47 <camilo> then again, it might be something wrong with my connection... maps are only 1.5 MB or so
17:56:55 <Rhamphoryncus> np. Wish I was more help.
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18:09:43 <Rubidium> the pausing is actually to prevent even less people from joining due to the large amount of "difference" that's generated
18:10:23 <Rubidium> as there's also a limit to the amount of time you may take from having downloaded the game up to you are 'in sync'
18:11:36 <camilo> yeah.. but I wasn't having any troubles before
18:12:04 <Rubidium> we added timeouts, which are generally good
18:12:12 <Rubidium> except when using large maps or slow connections
18:12:25 <camilo> it's either the update or my ISP
18:12:40 <Rubidium> in which case it is up to the server *owner* to properly configure their server so people can join
18:13:27 <Rubidium> do you also have problems with the #openttdcoop welcome server? (1.2.0-betta4)
18:13:34 <camilo> just compiled 1.1.5 -- will see if it is any better
18:13:47 <camilo> I haven't tried that one
18:14:21 <camilo> with 1.1.5 at least I'll have more servers to chose from
18:15:55 <Rhamphoryncus> Rubidium: yeah, I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but it's also problematic so there's got to be a better compromise
18:16:30 <camilo> now that I think of it, I actually joined that openttdcoop server without problems
18:16:38 <Rubidium> Rhamphoryncus: better in what sense?
18:16:58 <camilo> so it is the server configuration?
18:17:06 <Rhamphoryncus> Not screw over people on only moderately fast connections
18:17:55 <planetmaker> camilo, there's a timeout setting which servers can set
18:18:28 <Rubidium> Rhamphoryncus: so we should 'balance' it to 'slow connection' + 'huge map'?
18:18:33 <planetmaker> and of course it then depends on that setting (how long the server is patient before you timeout) and how fast you actually get the savegame (thus connection speed of you and / or the server)
18:18:53 <Rhamphoryncus> Rubidium: No, let one person connect in the background while people continue to play
18:19:02 <Rubidium> Rhamphoryncus: that is possible
18:19:08 <planetmaker> Rhamphoryncus, that's the default(?)
18:19:37 <Rhamphoryncus> planetmaker: that's not what openttdcoop's public server does and it doesn't sound like it's the default
18:19:46 <camilo> Rubidium, it is only the connection that presents an issue, in my experience, once I managed to join, I never timed out
18:19:56 <planetmaker> not sure we use the default, Rhamphoryncus :-)
18:20:01 <Rhamphoryncus> Rubidium: even if you have to give them a 10 meg buffer that's really not much
18:20:07 <Rubidium> there... even worse, if it's the default... then the server owners conciously changed the setting
18:20:26 <planetmaker> it's basically an ancient cfg we use which gets updated from time to time till our server works nicely :-)
18:20:29 <Rhamphoryncus> I can't imagine why such a setting would even exist
18:20:36 <Rubidium> Rhamphoryncus: the amount of network traffic after downloading is negligable
18:20:48 <planetmaker> Rhamphoryncus, denial of service is impossible by that setting
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18:21:02 <Rubidium> when games progress many clients have enormous trouble trying to catch up to the server
18:21:11 <Rhamphoryncus> planetmaker: So it's a work-around. The better solution is to limit the number of outstanding joins
18:21:25 <Rubidium> as they need to *calculate* all game states between the savegame and the current state of the server
18:21:57 <Rhamphoryncus> Rubidium: just buffer since they started connecting. Thus the 10 megs
18:22:00 <Rubidium> and if you download for 3 minutes, that means you need to execute 3 minutes of gameplay before being at that point
18:22:24 <Rhamphoryncus> Disabling the viewports would probably help that
18:22:28 <Rubidium> Rhamphoryncus: the buffer would just contain the commands, which are negligable
18:22:38 <Rubidium> Rhamphoryncus: viewport is also somewhat negligable
18:22:54 <Rubidium> the calculation of the different game states, that's not negligable
18:23:00 <Rhamphoryncus> If you're not talking the CPU load of having them fast-forward then what?
18:23:42 <Rubidium> OpenTTD does 'fast forward' when catching up with the server
18:24:01 <Rubidium> but as I said, servers in later states are so CPU heavy that fast forward is maybe 50% faster
18:24:24 <camilo> so, is it during that 'fast forward' that clients time out?
18:24:41 <Rubidium> that's one of the places where clients can time out
18:24:49 <Rubidium> either typing the password takes too long
18:24:52 <Rhamphoryncus> I've played with that. The rendering is the largest consumer for me. If I shrink to a small window then fast-forward goes much faster
18:24:54 <Rubidium> or downloading the map takes too long
18:25:09 <Rubidium> or fast forwarding to the current server state takes too long
18:25:26 <Rubidium> Rhamphoryncus: in MP fastforward some drawing steps are actually skipped
18:25:42 <camilo> oh.. so in my case it might be a CPU thing (playing on a netbook), rather than a connection thing (relatively fast)?
18:25:45 <Rhamphoryncus> Rubidium: Not in SP?
18:25:49 <Rubidium> or because the client didn't reply fast enough to the server (within IIRC 15 seconds of sending a ping)
18:26:05 <Rubidium> camilo: it might be any of them
18:26:18 <Rubidium> flaky network, not enough cpu, maps being too big, ...
18:27:05 <Rhamphoryncus> Rubidium: regardless, if they could keep up with MP once connected, then they will eventually catch up while connecting
18:27:59 <Rhamphoryncus> As long as the UI still operates then I see no problem with that. It's much better than outright failing
18:28:02 <ET> does anyone know how to get a hold of the forum owners? I forgot my username, and can't log on
18:28:11 <Rubidium> 3 minutes, 50% faster than the server, means you're still 1:30 off, so in the end you need 6 minutes to catch up to the server and thus your mouse clicks actually reacting in any reasonable way
18:28:14 <planetmaker> ET, write an e-mail
18:28:44 <Rubidium> after all, if you're 3 minutes behind the server sending a command to build a road or rail takes 3 minutes before it comes back to you!
18:29:10 <Rubidium> which means "I doesn't work" and thus people disconnect
18:29:27 <Rhamphoryncus> So display something saying you're still catching up
18:29:33 <Rubidium> as such the limit's default is much lower (half a minute IIRC)
18:30:25 <planetmaker> ET, but on the other hand, how w/o your user name can one possibly identify you?
18:30:36 <ET> I'll check later. in the meantime, I have a question that I have been struggling with
18:30:50 <ET> I have two airports, one inside a city, one at a transfer point
18:30:52 <Rubidium> planetmaker: by the email address he sent the email from?
18:30:59 <planetmaker> ET, or do you have any approximate idea?
18:31:56 <ET> I can't see to figure out an order for the transfer point to transfer all cargo, and wait for a full load of any cargo. What always seems to happen is the cargo is unloaded, then loaded right back
18:32:11 <Rubidium> but the networking code is (IMO) already complex enough; I don't fancy adding even more state and things that could possibly go wrong
18:32:35 <planetmaker> ET, "transfer and leave empty"
18:32:54 <Rhamphoryncus> ET: you want to transfer AND load up for a return trip?
18:32:54 <ET> the problem is that I don't want to leave empty
18:32:54 <planetmaker> two-way transfer does not work
18:33:13 <planetmaker> exactly. That's how it is :-)
18:33:38 <planetmaker> There are ideas how to change that. But they all have a heavy impact on the CPU usage of the game
18:34:08 <planetmaker> look for things like cargodistribution of yacd in the forums...
18:34:23 <planetmaker> cargodist is an often-used abbreviation
18:36:00 <ET> BTW - is the tt-forums.net the main forum?
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18:36:44 <planetmaker> depends on the definition of "main forum". But forum.openttd.org is part of it
18:37:06 <planetmaker> it has more topics than openttd. But it's the "official" openttd forum. As far as official goes
18:39:30 <ET> the de-facto main forum. where most people post/answer
18:43:45 <ET> I will have to try yacd and/or cargodist
18:44:10 <ET> in the meantime, I guess I will have two planes, one for each direction :/
18:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r23944 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files):
18:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 10 changes by OliTTD
18:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by NG
18:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 46 changes by Stabilitronas
18:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 4 changes by akasoft
18:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 1 changes by nglekhoi
18:47:20 <Rhamphoryncus> Beware, they can get the same result
18:48:06 <Rhamphoryncus> What can work is you put both airports in a city, but have feeders that transfer to them, not from
18:48:38 <Rhamphoryncus> That way the incoming is consumed immediately
18:49:07 <ET> I can see the conflict, if they arrive at the same time. I suppose I could use a timetable
18:49:34 <ET> two airports, one for incoming, one for outgoing?
18:50:03 <planetmaker> that's the common solution, yes
18:51:00 <ET> seems more stable than relying on timing... I'll give that a shot
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19:13:47 <ET> is there a way to slow down time? I play on fairly large maps, and the future vechicles come too quickly
19:14:57 <frosch123> you can play in pause mode
19:15:16 <frosch123> there is an advanced setting to allow construction while paused
19:21:40 <ET> that should work perfectly - thanks
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20:41:31 * andythenorth age.years() = age.years() + 1
20:42:51 <valhallasw> andythenorth: you are assigning to a function call. Are you sure you want to do that?
20:43:07 <andythenorth> it's a getter / setter of some kind
20:43:22 <andythenorth> it knows which side of the assignment it's on :P
20:43:23 <SmatZ> valhallasw: age.years() could return a reference
20:43:39 <SmatZ> (not that I like references...)
20:44:44 <SmatZ> (actually, I really dislike them)
20:45:09 <TrueBrain> it should be avoided at all costs, in my opinion :D
20:45:59 <valhallasw> SmatZ: right, yeah, that would work. Exactly the reason why I hate references in C++ ;-)
20:46:00 <TrueBrain> tbh, I really hate & in general ...
20:46:09 <valhallasw> with pointers, I at least know that I'm aiming at my foot
20:46:11 <TrueBrain> int b = 1; a(b); printf("%d
20:46:14 <TrueBrain> int b = 1; a(b); printf("%d\n", b);
20:46:20 <TrueBrain> no fucking way to know what it will print ...
20:46:29 <TrueBrain> valhallasw: 100% agree :D
20:46:30 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: congrats on the rollover anyway
20:46:58 <TrueBrain> I dont understand which retard came up with it tbh .... explicit over implicit, in my book, but meh :D
20:47:36 <andythenorth> is andythenorth the oldest here?
20:47:56 <frosch123> andythenorth: i doubt that
20:48:03 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: nobody is older than Belugas
20:48:04 * andythenorth > Rhamphoryncus > SmatZ
20:48:19 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: english saying?
20:48:25 * Rhamphoryncus torments his lesser!
20:48:28 <frosch123> TrueBrain: andersI is the oldest on the forum probably
20:48:34 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: have you written a book?
20:48:45 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: never got passed the thank-you notes
20:48:52 * andythenorth currently is probably 'writing the most code whilst holding babies or toddlers'
20:49:22 <frosch123> andythenorth: belugas' son is in school or so
20:49:47 <andythenorth> thereby leaving Belugas free to write *high quality uninterrupted code* :P
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20:50:01 <TrueBrain> I have yet to see that day :D
20:50:42 * andythenorth wtfs at BROS thread one more time
20:51:01 * SmatZ has to find a lot of women, just to impregnate them, broaden his seed, and then continue living alone
20:51:21 <SmatZ> or with one or two women of my choice...
20:52:04 <frosch123> you would fly to the next planet of course
20:52:09 <TrueBrain> Jessica Alba, and who else?
20:52:40 <frosch123> oh, with "living alone" you probably meant the journey to the next galaxis
20:53:13 <SmatZ> that way I would be alone for very very long time
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20:56:20 * andythenorth ponders learning how recolor sprites work, as it's now a solved problem
20:56:49 <frosch123> if it's a solved problem, just move on to the next one :p
20:57:25 <andythenorth> the next one is drawing
20:57:29 <andythenorth> I'm trying to avoid that
20:57:39 <Belugas> TrueBrain is right, even I am still waiting to see that day :)
20:57:44 <frosch123> is there a way to declare it "solved" ?
20:58:12 <andythenorth> I could use a procedural truck generator
20:58:19 <andythenorth> sounds like a problem for frosch123's
20:58:44 <Belugas> the point is, i was not able to write decent code while at work, and when coming at home, late at night, i was not really... in the best shape to do so ;)
20:59:16 * Belugas wants to have a sabatic week, month, year!
21:05:44 * andythenorth wonders if the 'proportion of capacity put on truck from 1st trailer' really needs to be a configurable property
21:06:07 <andythenorth> where's foobar when you need an engineer to calculate the loading on a beam?
21:06:39 * andythenorth might just make it 0.4 and be done with it
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21:07:30 <Rubidium> frosch123: AndersI already enjoys his retirement?
21:07:45 <Rubidium> if not, I'll raise you a "wallyweb"
21:07:52 <frosch123> meanwhile... liekly
21:08:04 <frosch123> oh, wallyweb... yeah, that one might beat andersi
21:09:22 <frosch123> i think both have a 4 in front of their hexadecimal age
21:11:11 <Rubidium> guess I need to drop to hexal to reach that
21:11:47 <Belugas> [15:48] <TrueBrain> andythenorth: nobody is older than Belugas <-- honestly? I thnk Albert is
21:11:54 <Belugas> but by a small margin
21:12:02 <andythenorth> alberth is not here :)
21:12:15 * andythenorth claimed oldest in this channel :P
21:12:24 * andythenorth writes some code
21:12:55 <frosch123> andythenorth: do you even have a 3 in front of your hexage?
21:13:40 * andythenorth has now adopted nml, and will shortly be forgetting how to count in hex
21:13:41 <Belugas> neither do I, i have a 2!
21:13:48 <Rubidium> hmm... my half life is less than a minute :(
21:13:51 <frosch123> Belugas: how many days left?
21:16:01 <frosch123> hmm, i have only around 100 days left before some other 30 :p
21:17:15 <frosch123> [22:13] <Rubidium> hmm... my half life is less than a minute :( <- there is no isotope of rb with such a short time
21:18:06 * andythenorth feeds the python
21:18:34 <andythenorth> everything got much better recently wrt writing code
21:18:56 <Rubidium> frosch123: basically everything with a mass number > 90 or < 77
21:19:15 <frosch123> yeah, just found the extended list
21:19:20 <andythenorth> how about we replace newgrf with runtime python? :o :D
21:20:35 <Terkhen> andythenorth: there was an attempt that used Squirrel IIRC
21:21:11 <frosch123> just encode ottd into a video, and keep on watching it
21:22:20 <SpComb> replace openttd with Python
21:22:30 <frosch123> replace python with openttd
21:23:40 <Terkhen> or even better, HTML5
21:24:20 <andythenorth> we could have a whole new class of exciting errors
21:24:35 <andythenorth> python means we could experiment with unclosed for loops
21:24:42 <frosch123> andythenorth: you should teach dorpsgek to code grfs
21:24:44 <SpComb> openttd html5/js runtime
21:24:54 <frosch123> he basically bored all day
21:25:39 <andythenorth> html 5 means we could have lots of exciting cross browser issues
21:26:06 <andythenorth> 'new group system (chrome r41524 or webkit nightly 12135 only)
21:26:21 <andythenorth> 'infrastructure maintenance: FF 10 only'
21:26:33 <frosch123> michi_cc: hmm, my second post is also about such kind of topic
21:26:40 <andythenorth> IE6 is no problem, it just doesn't work for that
21:27:42 <andythenorth> michi_cc: that's kind of where we ended up :)
21:27:43 <michi_cc> My first one was even more annoying :)
21:27:57 <frosch123> my first one was a yapf bug report :)
21:28:08 <frosch123> quite detailed actually
21:28:58 <TrueBrain> pff, at least I made a patch befre I joined the forums
21:29:24 <michi_cc> My first post: bug report + fix for a small realistic acceleration patch; second post: complaining that nobody cares about the patch :p
21:29:25 <frosch123> hmm, not sure, but might also hold for me
21:29:26 <andythenorth> michi_cc: we achieved newgrf sanity within 7 years of your post :)
21:30:24 <frosch123> newgrfs turn 10 this year. someone has a nice (maybe trollish) idea how to celebrate it?
21:31:19 <TrueBrain> delete it from OpenTTD!
21:31:19 * andythenorth was going to release lots of stuff to celebrate :P
21:31:22 <V453000> releasing the worst train set ever?
21:31:31 <andythenorth> V453000: you're working on that?
21:32:04 <SpComb> backwards-incompatible
21:32:34 <V453000> no, unfortunately visible (unfortunate for the viewer that is)
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21:33:44 <frosch123> TrueBrain: we have a great variety of invisible trains
21:33:52 <andythenorth> release a brainfuck -> nfo compiler?
21:33:53 <frosch123> there are at least 3 grfs defining such
21:34:02 <andythenorth> with some killer new feature that everyone wants?
21:34:17 <andythenorth> combined xml + brainfuck format
21:34:29 <frosch123> andythenorth: i guess ottd would rather fit with "whitespace"
21:34:59 <frosch123> yeah :) tabs, spaces and newlines
21:36:17 <frosch123> hmm, using syntax highlighting for whitespace is cheating
21:37:16 <Rubidium> just use a brainfuck whitespace-ish language where the value of the previous character needs to be xor-ed with the value of the current character to get the actual byte to execute ;)
21:37:31 <Rubidium> now that's going to fuck with your brain
21:39:02 <andythenorth> Rubidium: but to meet user demands, encode all that within valid xml tags
21:39:44 <andythenorth> that would be an interesting namespace
21:40:49 * andythenorth boggles at polyglot
21:41:16 <frosch123> <tab/><space/><nl/>
21:41:39 <andythenorth> we could have converted nfo to xml
21:42:00 <andythenorth> <20/><1A/><FFFF/>
21:42:18 <frosch123> are tags allowed to start with digits?
21:42:44 <andythenorth> <h20/><h1A/><hFFFF/>
21:43:04 <andythenorth> <comment value="nfo is very easy"/>
21:43:17 <frosch123> <cbresult value="3B"/> <- quite high level
21:43:22 <Rubidium> <byte><hex>1A</hex></byte>
21:44:07 <andythenorth> frosch123: <cbresult> <- cheating
21:44:12 <Rubidium> <byte><multiply><add><hex>1A</hex><var>foes</var></add><dec>2</dev></multiply></byte>
21:44:59 * andythenorth is pretty certain that's what was intended every time 'it should be xml' was written
21:46:00 * andythenorth has no idea how to write a parser / lexer but thinks that this would be a good April 1 release item
21:46:29 <andythenorth> I'll write a grf for it if someone wants to waste their time on it :)
21:46:33 <frosch123> too much work even for 1st april :)
21:46:52 * andythenorth is thinking that grfs could be written by running a parser / lexer backwards on the nfo :P
21:47:00 <Rubidium> we should make the savegame a xml
21:47:16 <andythenorth> that would make it ~1GB for a small map?
21:47:38 <Rubidium> <savegame><byte><char>O</char></byte><byte><char>T</char>....</savegame>
21:47:44 <SpComb> <save><data encoding='base64'>....</data></save>
21:47:54 <andythenorth> there was something that xml was actually sane for
21:47:54 <frosch123> the question is whether saving the map as xml might savegame conversion easier :p
21:48:08 <andythenorth> was it newgrf config that is valid for xml?
21:48:12 <Rubidium> should be pretty easy to make xml, pretty useless to read the xml
21:48:48 <frosch123> <tile x="1" y="10"><owner>town</owner><road bits="NW SW"/></tile>
21:49:52 <frosch123> andythenorth: action 14 is a bit yaml like
21:51:00 <frosch123> my irc client does not consider dots as part of urls
21:52:05 <frosch123> good, is want to stay on "ground"
21:52:39 <frosch123> anyway, either the engine is too long, or the trailers are too short
21:53:07 <frosch123> those proportions make it actually look silly
21:53:21 <SpComb> what's wrong with trains :(
21:54:00 <andythenorth> isn't it written somewhere that openttd is a train game?
21:54:00 <frosch123> yeah, andy should switch to trains; then he does no longer need rv wagons :p
21:54:10 <andythenorth> I no longer need rv wagons anyway
21:54:14 <andythenorth> what I need is artists :P
21:54:17 <frosch123> andythenorth: probably somewhere on tt-ms
21:54:34 <frosch123> [22:54] <andythenorth> what I need is artists :P <- so, how old are your babies?
21:54:56 <DDR> andythenorth: Given volume per mode, I'd say it's more of a ship game... :P
21:55:08 <frosch123> my 4 year old nice can already draw rapunzel towers
21:55:44 <andythenorth> what happened to multi-stop docks? :P
21:56:19 <frosch123> [22:54] <andythenorth> not old enough <- mind, they do not have to draw with a fixed scale for ottd
21:56:41 <andythenorth> frosch123: one of them can manage lines
21:56:52 <Rubidium> any scale except realistic would be okay for OpenTTD, wouldn't it?
21:56:58 <andythenorth> I could just scan them in and ship it
21:57:12 <andythenorth> I'm sure if I put the right title on bananas I'd get a lot of downloads
21:57:19 <andythenorth> 'omg awesome trains' or something
21:57:25 <frosch123> title does not matter
21:57:43 <andythenorth> what's the secret to winning bananas then?
21:58:06 <andythenorth> being on there longest?
21:58:10 <frosch123> never release an update
21:58:31 <andythenorth> need to update eGRVTS
21:58:43 <frosch123> original vehicle names is already in position 22
21:58:56 <frosch123> i am quite sure it was not there when released
21:59:18 <frosch123> aren't the first two egrvts and gts somewhat the same?
21:59:51 <frosch123> hmm, "hover bus"... maybe the name has an effect
22:01:17 <andythenorth> if I release 'underground metro' I'm pretty certain I'll got top 10
22:01:21 <andythenorth> even if it's a troll :P
22:01:26 <andythenorth> invisible trains :P
22:03:06 <Zuu> Another good reason for keeping PAXLink long way down on my list of things to do :-)
22:03:28 <frosch123> you mean pathzilla?
22:03:46 <frosch123> or is that not by you as well?
22:04:01 <frosch123> ok, sorry, i tend to assume 50% of the ais are yours :)
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22:04:57 <Zuu> Though I currently "win" both the gs and gslibrary category :-)
22:06:49 <Zuu> Not really. I only have 40% of the libraries and 60% of the game scripts. Where I would not really say that the tutorial is just my work as there have been several other contributors to the tutorial.
22:08:50 <Zuu> Oh, total download for SuperLib (AI-edition): 526 602
22:09:58 <Zuu> That's way more than the sum of all my other content.
22:17:11 <Zuu> The average per version is however not more than 28 164 downloads.
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23:04:37 <supermop> anyone still awake over there?
23:09:36 <supermop> is it possible to have a locomotive that can couple to any other locomotive, but only to one type of wagon?
23:10:52 <supermop> (in this case locomotive would be the unit of a MU with a cab, the wagon would be the unit without)
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