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00:48:47 <welshdragon> can I change the settings for the pathfinder to look 3 signal blocks ahead (instead of one)?
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01:22:55 <kais58> will 1.2 (probably) be released before 7th feb by any chance?
01:24:19 <welshdragon> think about this logically
01:24:30 <welshdragon> when do the devs usually do relases?
01:27:22 <welshdragon> ... significant holidays in the year
01:29:01 <welshdragon> when was 1.2 beta 1 released?
01:30:09 <welshdragon> yes, right, so Christmas, now, from that theory, what's the next big public holiday?
01:32:06 <kais58> in that case openttd may not have a package in F17 at release
01:32:58 <welshdragon> Fedora 17 will use the last available stable (1.1.3), as will *buntu
01:33:25 <kais58> last stable is 1.1.5 is it not?
01:33:51 <welshdragon> yes, sorry, my eyes are bad
01:33:55 <kais58> but, no it wont, as 1.1.3 and 1.1.5 fail to build on gcc-4.7
01:34:56 <welshdragon> then maybe use an older version of gcc?
01:36:41 <welshdragon> and secondly, has a bug been raised on the Bug Tracker?
01:37:08 <welshdragon> (as the devs will be unaware of this issue if it is not reported)
01:38:27 <kais58> not yet, I'm still poking, seeing if trunk worked and it just finished and no, r23810 doesnt build with gcc-4.7, thought it was working, going to file a bug report imminently
01:41:28 <welshdragon> OK, maybe try to find an old version of GCC too
01:41:47 <kais58> umm, think i can do, give me a few mins
01:43:04 <kais58> though I know it works fine on F16 with gcc 4.6.2
01:43:33 <kais58> also, who deals with the account merging, mine is still broken from then?
01:44:13 <welshdragon> TrueBrain i think (for OpenTTD)
02:18:47 <kais58> maybe trunk does work, not 1.1.3 though
02:22:04 <kais58> the src/ai/api docs were removed?
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02:45:16 <Eddi|zuHause> <welshdragon> can I change the settings for the pathfinder to look 3 signal blocks ahead (instead of one)? <-- "look ahead" in what sense?
02:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> <kais58> also, who deals with the account merging, mine is still broken from then? <-- afair all unmerged accounts have been deleted recently... so better make a new account
02:55:11 <kais58> still complains at me that I need to merge it
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02:57:23 <Eddi|zuHause> what's with the netsplits tonight?
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06:00:57 <Rubidium> kais58: so F17 is going to be released in February with a GCC that isn't going to be released in April?
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07:29:03 * andythenorth considers writing BANDIT in xml
07:29:09 <andythenorth> in all seriousness
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07:54:06 * peter1138 considers writing andythenorth in ASCII
07:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that was utf8 :p
07:56:11 <peter1138> it was both! how convenient! what a coincidence...
07:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that's unpossible!
07:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause> is a plaintext file not containing any <> (or other special characters) valid xml?
08:21:05 * andythenorth sleeps for an hour then tries again
08:35:01 <andythenorth> name/value pairs are about as useful as xml in most cases
08:35:24 <andythenorth> and don't require an xml library to deal with all the nodes and crap
08:36:44 * andythenorth wonders what happens if python loads some text from a file that is structured as a dict
08:36:52 <andythenorth> do I need to call eval() on it or something?
08:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you can eval() it
08:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> or you can import it
08:45:23 <andythenorth> if I import it, do I need to declare it as a class first?
08:45:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no, just it should be an assignment in the file
08:46:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. xxx = {...}
08:46:12 <andythenorth> this could be fun
08:46:20 <andythenorth> not now, but later
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10:32:54 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: i read somewhere that you can tell a train to look x blocks ahead for a reservation, instead of the current 1 block?
10:33:27 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: that is currently not implemented
10:38:56 <Elukka> i've always heard they don't look further ahead at all but if there are two equal lines and one of them has a train several signal blocks away, they will consistently pick the empty line
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10:48:26 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: then why have I just found Yapf.rail_look_ahead_max_signals
10:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: that does something different
10:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: that is for load balancing, not for reserving more than one block
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12:41:30 <kais58> anyonw know what trunk rlease 1.2.0 is based off?
12:42:05 <andythenorth> probably a tag in there somewhere?
12:45:46 <kais58> there's the problem, 1.2 is r23767, and r23770 fixed it so it would compile on gcc-4.7
12:50:23 <Yexo> use the precompiled binaries, compile trunk or wait for 1.2.0-beta3
13:07:07 <Rubidium> how can we know a what version a not-yet-released binary is based on? Even then, releases are no trunk versions
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14:01:08 <kais58> releases are branced off the trunk at a certain point though arent they?
14:03:17 <kais58> I was saying which version of trunk 1.2 was taken off from
14:04:16 <planetmaker> 1.2 is not yet branched
14:04:41 <kais58> rather what version of trunk 1.2beta2 is
14:05:00 <planetmaker> well. check the svn. I don't know by heart
14:05:37 <planetmaker> and... why does it matter?
14:05:45 <planetmaker> I've the feeling all this is not your real question
14:05:52 <kais58> r23767, I went and checked and r23770 was when the gcc-4.7 fix was added, hence it doesnt work but trunk does, so it doesnt matter
14:06:36 <planetmaker> yes, so what. Then a release does not compile with gcc 4.7.
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14:07:37 <planetmaker> especially for development versions of compilers
14:08:14 <planetmaker> thus if you expect it to work, you should use released gcc versions
14:09:51 <kais58> I wasnt expecting it to work, and if I were building it to actually use I would, and have
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15:29:40 <brendan10211> a wild link appears
15:37:47 <Elukka> random link of a pretty damn well filmed video of a br 52
15:38:05 <brendan10211> link used trojan!
15:38:17 <brendan10211> your computer is now poisoned
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16:00:23 <brendan10211> a somewhat-more-explained link appears!
16:00:34 <Ammler> "make default timeouts for certain states lower and configurable" sounds very harmless :-)
16:01:16 <Ammler> but if you compare the revisions, it seems to be the same
16:01:48 <Yexo> Ammler: infinite -> 15seconds is lower :p
16:01:54 <Ammler> is that a trick to hide it?
16:02:09 <michi_cc> Giving clear explanations how to misuse a security hole before a a fixed version is released isn't much of a bright idea.
16:03:11 <Ammler> I will use the changeset text then
16:03:12 <planetmaker> and it's not like the commit message is a lie in any respect. It even is more accurate
16:05:20 <Rubidium> it's a technique to not put extra attention on it, and to prevent us from having to rush the release because it's being actively exploited in the real world
16:05:57 <Rubidium> that's what you get for such an open development model
16:06:49 <Ammler> if someone cares, he can read the CVE
16:07:10 <Yexo> which is only made public after the release
16:11:33 <Ammler> I assume, the many compile warnings are known...
16:12:22 <peter1138> i for one don't get any
16:12:24 <planetmaker> gcc 4.0.x has some. yes
16:12:47 <peter1138> even debian's on 4.4...
16:12:50 <planetmaker> but those are the only ones know afaik
16:15:31 <Yexo> no warnings with 4.4.6 for me
16:17:16 <Rubidium> Ammler: which warnings?
16:23:16 <Rubidium> Ammler: how often have you asked us about those warnings?
16:24:33 <Ammler> well, seems to be more as with gcc45
16:25:55 <Rubidium> as it's the same warning over and over again, and I doubt gcc4.5 does need (significantly) less instances than gcc4.6
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18:46:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r23815 /trunk/src/lang/ (12 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:46:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:46:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belarusian - 13 changes by KorneySan
18:46:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 7 changes by habell
18:46:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_AU - 7 changes by tomas4g
18:46:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium
18:46:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 13 changes by ElNounch
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19:44:52 <__ln__> Wolf01: how would you comment on the Costa Concordia case?
19:45:37 <Wolf01> that ship was signed since the launch
19:46:27 <andythenorth> why did anyone even bother replying to tieske100 in the Mac 10.3.9 thread?
19:46:42 <andythenorth> the request started rudely and continues that way
19:46:45 <andythenorth> mac users annoy me
19:49:46 <valhallasw> andythenorth: he says pleaze.
19:50:21 <andythenorth> which is quite different :)
19:52:27 <valhallasw> I can imagine the annoyance of buying a mac and seeing your favorite game does not run, actually.
19:53:55 <valhallasw> andythenorth: and it's clearly not a native speaker. Combine that with someone who just wants to play the game - I can understand the post
19:54:07 <valhallasw> and I think most people in the thread react very profesionally
20:02:32 <andythenorth> to a large extent, lego fans that post online are idiots
20:02:46 <andythenorth> this doesn't mean all lego fans are idiots
20:03:11 <andythenorth> but it correlates idiocy, lego, and a disposition to post online
20:04:30 <planetmaker> 20:52 valhallasw: I can imagine the annoyance of buying a mac and seeing your favorite game does not run, actually. <-- if he has osx 10.3.9, he bought that machine like 5 years ago or longer ago
20:05:08 <andythenorth> he is moaning about having to wait
20:05:12 <andythenorth> but his OS is ancient
20:05:30 <andythenorth> we should jump for him, but he hasn't upgraded his OS?
20:05:55 <__ln__> it costs money, you jumping does not
20:07:17 <Rubidium> well, we don't jump for people that did update their OSX, so I guess it's only logical to jump for him
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20:09:24 <valhallasw> planetmaker: oh. good point
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20:10:12 <valhallasw> andythenorth: partially. on re-reading: apparently the download page notes osx 10.3 is supported
20:11:02 <valhallasw> apparently it's not, which means you have the choice: either fix the code or remove the note 10.3 is supported
20:12:23 <Rubidium> just recompile libicu with the right compile flags...
20:15:06 <andythenorth> are any mac versions supported?
20:21:51 <fluffy> can anybody recommend a good way of spacing vehicles?
20:24:25 <Belugas> 2 tiles between signals?
20:29:36 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: Commit by smatz :: r23770 /trunk/src/script/api (script_station.hpp script_waypoint.hpp) (2012-01-07 18:37:22 UTC)
20:29:37 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: -Fix: compilation with GCC 4.7
20:29:42 <Terkhen> ^ maybe it is missing that fix?
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20:30:19 <heffer> thanks for the pointer :D
20:33:22 <Rubidium> heffer: the whole 1.1 series fails on gcc-trunk
20:34:01 <heffer> Rubidium: then i better just jump to 1.2 on what is to become fedora 17?
20:34:20 <heffer> beta2 would be okay? or do i need trunk?
20:34:44 <heffer> well F17 will not be released until about may
20:35:12 <heffer> until then it is considered to be a development version, so people wouldn't bother running a beta
20:35:39 <heffer> the stable F16 and 15 build fine as they're still on gcc 4.6
20:35:45 <Rubidium> just backport some that trunk patch
20:36:43 <heffer> was just about to do that :) but from your statement i figured it might be much more than this one change :D
20:37:30 <Rubidium> but gcc 4.7 has become stricter in many places
20:38:58 <Rubidium> even then, they release fedora with an unreleased version of gcc?
20:39:36 <SmatZ> heffer: configure with CXXFLAGS="-fpermissive", it could help as well
20:41:21 <heffer> Rubidium: well sometimes they even include unreleased versions of glibc as well :D
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20:41:57 <heffer> and then you have Linus Torvalds raging on out bugzilla because it killed sound playback for the proprietary flash plugin
20:42:25 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by smatz :: r23196 trunk/src/currency.cpp (2011-11-12 10:21:00 UTC)
20:42:26 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Fix: GCC 4.7 compilation
20:42:31 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by rubidium :: r23191 trunk/src/table/palettes.h (2011-11-11 19:47:28 UTC)
20:42:32 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Fix: GCC 4.7 compilation warnings related to narrowing in palettes
20:42:50 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by smatz :: r22719 trunk/src/fileio.cpp (2011-08-04 20:04:58 UTC)
20:42:51 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Fix: compilation with gcc 4.7
20:44:31 <SmatZ> heffer: if you use gcc trunk, you have to use openttd trunk as well ;)
20:45:58 <Ammler> hehe, there is a distro even more bleeding as suse
20:53:49 <heffer> Ammler: i really appreciate your spec files for the openttd :) i always shamelessly copy your Summary and %description when adapting for fedora
20:56:34 <Ammler> heffer, you are very welcome :-)
20:58:03 <heffer> you save me a lot of work :D
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21:19:00 <__ln__> 22:41 < heffer> and then you have Linus Torvalds raging on out bugzilla because it killed sound playback for the proprietary flash plugin <--- he was raging for a good reason
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21:44:46 <kais58> yeah, forgot to mention that on that bug report :)
21:45:46 <kais58> note that 1.1.5 and 1.2.0beta2 fail at different points and trunk works on gcc-4.7 :)
21:46:59 <Rubidium> pff... just use a slighty older version of gcc-4.7 ;)
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22:29:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r23816 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Fix (r23635, r23805): make SCC_ENCODED the first entry in the StringControlCode enum since it's value is not allowed to change
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