IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2011-12-19
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00:01:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r23588 /trunk/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use the 'final' keyword so compiler can optimise out some indirect calls
00:14:26 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: frosch * r23589 /trunk/src/ (ai/ai_config.cpp ai/ai_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Codechange: Make the AI-start-delay setting translateable.
00:14:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23590 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make the string validation settings better expandable
00:15:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23591 /trunk/src/lang/ (english_US.txt french.txt serbian.txt):
00:15:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
00:15:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium
00:15:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx
00:15:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: serbian - 51 changes by etran
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00:26:21 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23592 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix (r23590): forgot one case
00:48:08 <Eddi|zuHause> odd time for a translators commit
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08:30:24 <__ln__> the great leader is dead
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09:04:34 <planetmaker> And the magazine "Der Spiegel" got it wrong: showing a news woman from North Korea in black clothing with a text which hints that the black cloths she wears are an indication of grief...
09:04:55 <planetmaker> and sorrow... albeit white is the colour of sorrow and grief in Korea
09:22:31 <peter1138> planetmaker, did you not recognise those 32bpp sprites by their incorrect height? :)
09:23:21 <planetmaker> in the "wrong company colour" posting?
09:23:31 <peter1138> in Re: [8bpp] Graphics Replacement Project - OpenGFX
09:23:38 <peter1138> oh yeah, company colour problem
09:24:05 <planetmaker> I don't know what he used, but trunk and normal OpenGFX, also with 32bpp-anim don't have that issue
09:24:16 <peter1138> install 32bpp-ez sprites
09:24:42 <peter1138> with trunk & normal opengfx
09:24:56 <peter1138> it highlights the need for a coherent 32bpp pack
09:25:08 <planetmaker> wait, I install the EZ sprites and that has an impact on trunk even if they're not used?
09:25:25 <peter1138> it contains normal zoom sprites too...
09:25:46 <planetmaker> obviously very broken as they're tailored for a patch which is also broken
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09:26:55 <peter1138> i don't know how that recolour algorithm affects old-style 8bpp recolouring
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09:28:32 <planetmaker> Dunno... but it's a bad idea nevertheless, if it affects it
09:29:16 <peter1138> that's what i mean, i don't know if it does. if it does, i'm not touching it :)
09:30:20 <peter1138> i could mutilate the mask image to provide more information
09:30:42 <peter1138> would be harder to make the mask image though :(
09:31:15 <peter1138> r = palette index (hue/bri/sat), g = brightness mod, b = saturation mod
09:31:52 <peter1138> actually that wouldn't work because the rgbam format wouldn't be enough
09:33:07 <peter1138> you could store that information in the normal rgb part, however that's used for pre-caching the rgb value when drawing non-recoloured sprites, i.e. the majority of cases
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09:35:40 <planetmaker> I posted a hint that they might review all their CC in the 32bpp sprites
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09:52:51 <peter1138> planetmaker, they're not broken like that with the 32bpp-ez patch... o_O
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09:54:08 <peter1138> recolouring is still dodgy though
09:54:23 <peter1138> the far left engine appears to be a different hue
09:55:27 <planetmaker> peter1138: that may be true. But I'm not interested in compatibility with the EZ patch
09:55:49 <planetmaker> Especially if the EZ patch breaks sprite display in trunk
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10:36:04 <peter1138> hmm, do fences normally draw ontop of signals?
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11:36:21 <peter1138> i have an original starwars action figure here
11:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> 'cause you're a fanboy
11:40:00 <fjb|tab> As long as he is not Dark Helmet...
11:40:57 <peter1138> i had to look that up
11:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. sure. i'd have said that, too. :p
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13:06:00 * andythenorth is playing a game where most vehicles move at 15mph, or 40mph
13:06:13 <andythenorth> the 70mph train looks insanely fast by comparison
13:06:37 <appe> games with way to fast trains quickly become boring
13:06:58 <andythenorth> also the FIRS milk chain is flawed
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13:10:59 <planetmaker> it doesn't grew sour? ;-)
13:11:19 <andythenorth> there's nowhere to take it before 1892
13:11:26 <Alberth> Phew, east and west are at the right place :p
13:11:29 <andythenorth> and only after that if a Dairy happens to get built
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13:11:49 <planetmaker> so it should go directly to shops...
13:12:08 <planetmaker> screw industry view and use acceptance callback :P
13:12:25 <andythenorth> planetmaker: tile acceptance....?
13:12:32 <andythenorth> tiles offer quite some flexibility....?
13:12:46 <planetmaker> I'd need to re-visit the details there
13:12:49 <andythenorth> this wouldn't be processed, it would be a black hole so...
13:13:29 <planetmaker> but... doesn't pay
13:14:02 <planetmaker> And I doubt that people in 1800 took their milk to a nearby town and then used it to clean the market place
13:16:01 * andythenorth has been awake a lot and is short of solutions
13:16:21 <andythenorth> maybe just introduce dairies earlier
13:20:36 <planetmaker> if you internet connect times are true and not just your machine you didn't sleep much ;-)
13:20:53 <planetmaker> s/internet/irc/ ;-)
13:21:15 <andythenorth> it's about accurate I'd say
13:22:13 <planetmaker> took us from 11pm to about 3am
13:22:47 <planetmaker> well. 10pm actually
13:24:17 <andythenorth> that's insanely expensive Lego
13:24:24 <andythenorth> even allowing for the state of the Euro
13:25:09 <planetmaker> he bought it 2nd hand.
13:26:01 <planetmaker> it was not that expensive. iirc ~150€ or so
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13:26:45 <planetmaker> next probject will be either the DeathStar2 or the SuperStarDestroyer ;-)
13:28:37 <Alberth> andythenorth: star wars fans are old enough and crazy enough to put up that much money :p
13:28:41 <planetmaker> but it's another 1k parts more ;-)
13:29:58 <planetmaker> well, it's cool. You have a crank to lower or rise the wings even ;-)
13:29:59 <Noldo> must be somewhat boring to build
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13:31:39 <andythenorth> the DeathStar looks *awesome*
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13:37:17 <peter1138> have you finished it yet?
13:38:01 <andythenorth> it is pretty good
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13:39:16 <andythenorth> you found a way to make it better?
13:39:46 <andythenorth> distribute cargo to industries on a round-robin basis?
13:39:50 <andythenorth> rather than nearest?
13:39:57 <andythenorth> allowing one station to serve two industries?
13:40:16 <peter1138> no, no, i built a line to barborough
13:46:22 <andythenorth> FISH doesn't auto-refit
13:46:26 <andythenorth> this is probably incorrect
13:50:19 <planetmaker> I'd probably allow three or four ship types: pax, piece, bulk and liquid.
13:50:26 <planetmaker> autorefit for everything within that category
13:50:44 <planetmaker> s/types/refit 'classes'/g
13:51:12 <andythenorth> I'll probably treat piece / bulk same for ships
13:51:19 <peter1138> ships need to support multiple cargo types
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13:54:27 <andythenorth> peter1138: multiple in one ship?
13:54:53 <andythenorth> I mean...they already do support multiple types
13:54:55 <andythenorth> but using XOR :P
13:55:30 <andythenorth> where's the constraint?
13:55:36 <andythenorth> constraints = good
13:55:53 <andythenorth> number of holds?
13:55:57 <andythenorth> might be interesting
13:56:23 <andythenorth> newgrf specified amount per ship, up to 32?
13:57:04 <peter1138> ^ 32bpp recolouring :S
13:57:46 <andythenorth> something appears to be eating my orders
13:57:50 <andythenorth> they're changing
13:57:59 <peter1138> ^ obvious where it switches to 8bpp
13:58:48 <peter1138> refit ship holds? hmm
13:58:53 <peter1138> articulated ships...
13:59:59 <andythenorth> vehicles in vehicles
14:00:03 <andythenorth> mornington crescent :P
14:00:21 <planetmaker> what's wrong with that re-colouring, peter1138? The dizzering in the CC colours (e.g. of the building)?
14:01:25 <peter1138> the 32bpp artists don't like it, and i can understand
14:01:43 <andythenorth> they should fix their lighting before they complain to others :P
14:02:01 <peter1138> i don't think they're complaining
14:03:03 <planetmaker> Arguably it doesn't look great. Indeed
14:07:32 <peter1138> i should post that in the thread :)
14:09:49 <andythenorth> FIRS station algorithm is way too generous
14:10:37 <peter1138> not just offsets :)
14:11:32 <planetmaker> it's a good screenshot which teaches a lot :-)
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14:12:19 <andythenorth> can I demolish lighthouses?
14:17:15 <peter1138> (using original graphics, not opengfx)
14:17:30 <peter1138> one could argue that the original graphics are too low, heh
14:18:12 <peter1138> possibly opengfx changes that, but i can't see because of the fence, heh
14:22:17 <andythenorth> trains are all well and good
14:22:36 <andythenorth> but you can transport a lot more cargo per route-tile with ships :P
14:24:19 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23593 /trunk/src/ (rail_cmd.cpp road_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r23411): Infrastructure counts for rail were not properly updated when converting rail or building level crossings.
14:25:31 <peter1138> andythenorth, i've not seen any 32bpp-ez ships
14:26:37 <peter1138> i've seen some screenshots with 32bpp-ez aircraft, but i've not got any with the mega
14:39:53 <andythenorth> is there any known bug with vehicles losing orders right now
14:40:05 <andythenorth> possibly whilst being ctrl-cloned
14:42:54 <Eddi|zuHause> articulated trucks?
14:43:43 <andythenorth> possibly trams and trains
14:43:50 <andythenorth> haven't tried to prove it wasn't user error
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14:52:48 <andythenorth> the problem with starting FIRS early is that you then have to fund the later industries yourself :(
14:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> don't they have random chance of appearing?
14:54:03 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should close the least used industry every X months
14:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause> to have more room for industry appearance
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14:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause> don't you have a per-grf-storage?
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15:02:33 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: one of the problems is that at the start of the game all industries are unused, ie all are the least used one
15:03:03 <andythenorth> no per-grf storage either
15:03:39 <Yexo> don't towns have per-grf storage?
15:05:13 <andythenorth> I didn't keep up with how much town stuff is in trunk yet
15:05:14 <peter1138> hmm, oil wells three tiles from a refinery
15:05:37 <peter1138> i could build one stop and send the vehicle in a loop...
15:06:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't work with one station
15:06:10 <andythenorth> I don't buy the "it's a transport game - no pipelines" argument
15:06:26 <andythenorth> it's got at least one problem, that argument :P
15:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well, develop a system which is not a "set up once, infinite moneymaker"
15:07:13 <andythenorth> what - pipelines have infinite capacity?
15:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: and have it include ski lifts, etc.
15:07:19 <andythenorth> and don't need pumping stations?
15:07:23 <andythenorth> and don't have run costs?
15:07:33 <andythenorth> and can pump at an infinite rate per unit time?
15:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: "infinite" i mean time-wise
15:08:06 <peter1138> i don't think the model fits ttd
15:09:00 * andythenorth thinks egrvts - wonderful set - but far too many vehicles
15:09:26 <andythenorth> Yexo: could we adjust FIRS station rating algo?
15:09:49 <Yexo> just give me a precise definition of what you want and I'll code it
15:10:04 * andythenorth reads current code
15:10:27 <andythenorth> probably better to specify result, not implementation?
15:11:20 <andythenorth> what I actually want is to drop the rating where stations have > 1,000t waiting
15:11:27 <andythenorth> however that needs a bit more thought
15:11:43 <planetmaker> sounds like default, andythenorth ;-)
15:12:09 <planetmaker> actually "waiting cargo" is imho not a good measure. Rather waiting cargo / turn-over-amount per month
15:12:57 <andythenorth> we did solve it once before I think, conceptually
15:13:24 <Yexo> turn-over-amount per month <- not sure that is available
15:15:36 <andythenorth> are we doing it with cb145?
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15:15:39 <andythenorth> I can't find the code
15:16:11 <planetmaker> Yexo: I think it is not available
15:16:27 <Yexo> andythenorth: code is in cargo_graphics.pnml
15:16:28 <planetmaker> might be feasible, if stations have persistent storage
15:17:11 <Yexo> might be better to let openttd keep track of it, and just provide a new var for it
15:17:36 <andythenorth> are we ok with the idea that there's no perfect answer to this?
15:17:45 <andythenorth> as I'm proposing to balance it closest to the sets I use
15:17:51 <andythenorth> and the typical capacity of trains I run :P
15:18:36 <Yexo> it depends more on your playstyle and on the actual sets you use
15:19:04 <andythenorth> I can tweak values locally and test
15:19:17 <andythenorth> I want to sink the rating faster for > 1,000t waiting
15:19:40 <Yexo> you can't change how fast the rating changes
15:19:52 <Yexo> you can only set the desired rating for > 1000t waiting
15:19:54 <andythenorth> faster / greater penalty /s
15:20:07 <andythenorth> poor english on my part :P
15:21:19 <andythenorth> the current algorithm is really fun, but I can't clear some stations
15:21:25 <andythenorth> actually there are two issues
15:21:47 <andythenorth> 1) accidentally delivering to a station will result in cargo that takes forever to die
15:21:59 <andythenorth> that's a minor point
15:22:03 <planetmaker> personally I'm not even sure it's a good idea to mess with station ratings too much
15:22:15 <planetmaker> It's a non-obvious thing to the players and cause suprises
15:22:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: 1) can be solved if you give a timeout like 3 months
15:22:40 <andythenorth> 2) I'm getting 'good' ratings even where there are obscene amounts of cargo waiting (due to frequent pickup)
15:23:05 <Yexo> andythenorth: but the new rating was designed to give somewhat higher ratings than the default rating
15:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause> or even 6 months
15:23:28 <andythenorth> Yexo: I'm hoping it's just a matter of tweaking
15:23:38 <andythenorth> I don't really understand the spec enough for this
15:23:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and then _drastically_ dropping the rating
15:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the throughput per month idea is a feature request on openttd's side
15:25:09 <andythenorth> there's *no* way to get the age of the cargo *on* the station is there?
15:29:04 <Yexo> indeed, no way to get that information
15:31:07 * andythenorth misses how often cb145 runs?
15:32:45 <Yexo> every time the staion rating is recalculated, I think every 2,5 days
15:33:45 <V453000> andythenorth: when can we expect a new release of FIRS? :)
15:34:25 <andythenorth> Yexo: I think all I need to do is increase penalty for large amounts of waiting cargo
15:35:55 <V453000> I was just wondering about the toyland compatibility, in r2654 it loads in toyland, but 0.6.4 doesnt
15:54:51 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: cargo doesn't age at stations
15:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause> simple amount of cargo is unsuitible for large transfer stations
15:56:09 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. a high-producing factory, or the city's main station
15:56:29 <andythenorth> if you can figure it out...let me know :)
15:56:32 <andythenorth> I'm open to suggestions
15:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, imho planetmaker had the right idea there
15:56:47 <andythenorth> has anyone else tried the modified FIRS algorithm?
15:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause> "just" needs implementation
15:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't looked at it, but it can't be more than 20loc
15:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that is, modifying the existing off-map station statistic storage, adding saveload code, and adding newgrf-export code
15:59:24 <Eddi|zuHause> where the latter needs some consideration whether to stuff it into "extra callback info" or provide some new variable
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16:02:32 <swissfan91> Is it possible to have town buildings on sloped tiles? Or do they always just take foundations to be a flat tile?
16:02:56 <Yexo> you can disable foundations for them
16:04:17 <swissfan91> per house? Or just disable foundations for the whole set?
16:04:47 <Yexo> and even more precise than that if you want to, it's a callback
16:05:58 <swissfan91> more precise? how so?
16:06:38 <Yexo> in 1930 no foundations, from 1940 on it has foundations except when it's very close to the city center <- something like that if you wanted to
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16:07:41 <swissfan91> but surely if I have drawn the house on a flat tile, it must have foundations?
16:07:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the game doesn't know how you've drawn it
16:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it'll happily draw whatever sprite you give it.
16:08:25 <Yexo> if it must have foundations make sure to write your newgrf in a way that tells openttd that your house needs foundations
16:19:10 <peter1138> <Invoice><Invoice_No>xxx</Invoice_No><Customer_No>yyy</Customer_No>No Match</Invoice>
16:19:32 <peter1138> ^ using .net's xml stuff, how do i get "No Match" out of that? :S
16:19:38 <peter1138> regexes don't count
16:20:18 <Eddi|zuHause> invoice.text=="no match"?
16:20:36 <Eddi|zuHause> something along those lines, i guess...
16:21:07 <peter1138> no, that returns "xxxyyyNo Match"
16:21:56 <SpComb> go punch the person who wrote it
16:22:05 <peter1138> that was my immediate reaction
16:22:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, there must be some way to strip all sub-elements
16:23:06 <andythenorth> for i in Invoice, if I is not childnode?
16:39:16 <TrueBrain> lol @ XML, funny people ... :)
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17:03:42 <frosch123> wow... my webmail provider offers me to increase the storage space from 12MB to 500MB... i just have to install some software
17:09:29 <Eddi|zuHause> "no. that is no rootkit. that is... diagnosis software!!"
17:10:58 <frosch123> there is a bug in today's xkcd
17:12:24 <Prof_Frink> Also, what's wrong with just BODMAS?
17:13:59 <peter1138> americans don't like to call them brackets, i think
17:14:16 <Prof_Frink> Of course, you do have to say brackets and square brackets, not parenthetheesesetheses.
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17:25:58 <appe> a parenthesis is a "(", even in america?
17:29:48 <Alberth> after december 21, who knows? it looks like an attempt to pirate the "(" letter to me :p
17:33:13 <frosch123> they will try again on valentines day
17:33:38 <frosch123> they must find some day when noone is looking
17:39:54 <fjb|tab> frosch123: I got that strange offer from eeb.de too.
17:40:53 <frosch123> call the hotline and ask why you cannot execute the binary?
17:40:56 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23594 /trunk/src/ (industrytype.h vehicle_base.h): -Codechange: follow coding style with multi line comments
17:42:02 <fjb|tab> Did you see what they are charging? I was wondering if that was s fske mail.
17:42:54 <frosch123> their "mailcheck" tool is some stupid browser plugin which displays their ugly emoticons depending on if you have mail or not
17:43:02 <frosch123> the other features are undocumented
17:45:00 <fjb|tab> And why should I install that? I'm using a proper email client any way.
17:48:06 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23595 /trunk/src/ (42 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: add comma after last enum to get a more uniform coding style
17:49:29 <peter1138> the lure of emoticons appears to work for lots of people :(
17:50:11 <frosch123> well, there are normal emoticons, and there are damn-ugly ones
17:50:39 <Alberth> sure, you'd be surprised how much stuff people are prepared to do just to get something 'free'
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18:17:59 <swissfan91> has anyone tried using the DACH train set?
18:20:14 <swissfan91> I am having a real issue with the SBB 'lok2000' and push/pull - a bug to do with this loco is named in the readme, I was wondering if anyone else had any trouble?
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18:46:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23596 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed)
18:46:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:46:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: belarusian - 1 changes by Wowanxm
18:46:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne
18:46:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_
18:46:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker
18:46:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv
18:55:53 <Wolf01> it's impressive how the number of visitors of my site is raised from 4/w to 24/w
18:58:59 <TrueBrain> 4 per ... hmm .. I can't make anything out of the w :P
18:59:48 <Wolf01> 24/world may me really correct
19:00:09 <TrueBrain> still no clue how that related to number of visitors, but meh :)
19:02:53 <Rubidium> oh come on... you don't know furlong per fortight?
19:05:25 <Wolf01> I remember I heared furlong once in a horse race
19:21:28 <Belugas> 48f, f48... that's quite closed
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19:37:09 <Wolf01> thank you peter1138, I have always problems with R and E keys :P
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20:44:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23597 /trunk/src/script/ (3 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: fix up squirrel export script a bit
20:44:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23598 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix: harden FormatString against abuse
20:44:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23599 /trunk/src/window_type.h: -Codechange: document WC_ entries, and reoder a bit
20:46:19 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23600 /trunk/src/ (55 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: link WC+number to a Widget, and the Widget to a Window class
20:50:23 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23601 /trunk/src/ (19 files in 3 dirs): -Fix: fix the conflict in window number
20:50:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23602 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h company_type.h): -Add: support for DEITY commands, commands where no real company was involved in (Rubidium)
20:50:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23603 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: support for control commands in strings, in both network and safe/load (Rubidium)
20:51:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23604 /trunk/ (35 files in 8 dirs): -Add: initial support for GameScripts
20:54:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23605 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Add: GAME_DIR and CONTENT_TYPE_GAME, and read gamescript from that directory
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20:55:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23606 /trunk/ (18 files in 4 dirs): -Add: GameScanner, to auto-detect game scripts, and wire it in the console
20:56:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23607 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 5 dirs): -Add: wire GameScript in all the GUIs
20:56:31 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23608 /trunk/src/lang/ (54 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: remove now unused strings from all other languages too
20:56:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23609 /trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): -Add: save/load all GameScript related material
20:56:48 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23610 /trunk/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Add: Doxygen files for NoGo API (Yexo)
20:56:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23611 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Add: run the begin of the script already while generating, and don't sleep on DoCommand while doing so
20:57:01 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23612 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 6 dirs): -Add: allow importing libraries in the same way as AI does, only with GS prefix (and in game/library)
20:57:11 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23613 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Add: allow IsDeveloperOnly in info.nut, to indicate if you can select this GS via the GUI (optional, defaults to false)
20:57:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23614 /trunk/src/ (41 files in 3 dirs): -Add: more API functions exposed to NoGo (part 1)
20:57:37 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23615 /trunk/src/ (49 files in 4 dirs): -Add: more API functions exposed to NoGo (part 2)
20:57:45 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23616 /trunk/src/script/api/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Add: ScriptGameSettings::SetValue, to set gamesettings (GameScript only)
20:58:03 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23617 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Add: ScriptTown::ExpandTown, to grow a town (GameScript only)
20:58:19 <Zuu> My RSS reader is going to overflow :-)
20:59:02 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23618 /trunk/ (14 files in 9 dirs): -Add: ScriptGame::Pause, ScriptGame::Unpause, and ScriptGame::GetLandscape (GameScript only)
20:59:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23619 /trunk/src/script/api/ (game/game_date.hpp.sq script_date.cpp script_date.hpp): -Add: ScriptDate::GetSystemTime, to get the seconds since 1 Jan 1970 of the real system (GameScript only)
20:59:21 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23620 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Add: ScriptTown::SetCargoGoal and ScriptTown::SetGrowthRate (GameScript only)
20:59:31 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23621 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 4 dirs): -Add: allow manipulation of signs via GameScripts
20:59:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23622 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 4 dirs): -Add: a set of events to trigger in a GameScript
21:00:35 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23623 /trunk/ (27 files in 10 dirs): -Add: allow bi-directional communication with the AdminPort and GameScript
21:00:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23624 /trunk/src/script/api/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Add: ScriptVehicle/ScriptStation/ScriptSign::GetOwner, to get the owner of those objects (GameScript only)
21:00:50 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23625 /trunk/ (10 files in 6 dirs): -Add: ScriptViewport::ScrollTo, for SinglePlayer only (GameScript only)
21:00:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23626 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Add: ScriptTown::SetText, which adds custom text to the Town GUI
21:01:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23627 /trunk/ (14 files in 8 dirs): -Add: ScriptNews::Create, to create custom news messages (GameScript only)
21:01:30 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23628 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: ScriptSubsidy::Create, to create subsidies (GameScript only)
21:02:38 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23629 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 3 dirs): -Add: allow ScriptRoad::BuildRoad, ScriptBridge::BuildBridge (for roads) and ScriptTunnel:BuildTunnel (for roads) to work for GameScript
21:03:19 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23630 /trunk/ (29 files in 11 dirs): -Add: a Goal GUI to show your current goals
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21:05:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23631 /trunk/ (20 files in 8 dirs): -Add: ScriptWindow, to manipulate windows on the client (GameScript only)
21:05:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23632 /trunk/ (46 files in 9 dirs): -Add: GSCompanyMode, to change company in GameScripts
21:05:40 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23633 /trunk/src/script/api/ (37 files in 2 dirs): -Add: allow most build commands from GameScript given a CompanyMode is active in that scope
21:05:48 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23634 /trunk/ (13 files in 6 dirs): -Add: support language files for GameScript (Rubidium)
21:05:53 <Zuu> andythenorth: Welcome to the commit spere :-)
21:06:02 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23635 /trunk/ (13 files in 8 dirs): -Add: introduce GSText, to allow translating GameScript text, even over network
21:06:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23636 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 6 dirs): -Add: introduce ScriptText in parameters where it can be used
21:06:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23637 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Change: bump the savegame, to store all the new goodies
21:07:04 <Wolf01> 15MB more for each save
21:07:51 <TrueBrain> @calc 23637 - 23597
21:08:46 <Zuu> Did you write all those commit messages by hand or were they simply copied from hg?
21:10:13 <Zuu> So hg can push to svn. That I didn't know
21:10:22 <TrueBrain> with an extension, it can
21:10:28 <TrueBrain> works rather well, as you can see :P
21:12:16 <Karth> Hey, don't suppose I could get some help getting Openttd 1.1.4 going on Debian? it starts fine, but the graphics are rather garbled. It works fine on the same pc in windows.
21:12:36 <frosch123> depends what you consider "garbled"
21:13:02 <frosch123> wrong colours? completely wrong graphics?
21:13:04 <Karth> sprites covering each other up, all purple, and the menus near unnavigatable
21:13:21 <frosch123> start with -b 32bpp-optimized
21:13:43 <TrueBrain> not 32bpp-anim frosch123? :)
21:13:47 <frosch123> if that works, put "blitter = 32bpp-optimized" into ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg
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21:14:29 <Karth> ah very nice, that works
21:14:47 <frosch123> Karth: your video driver does not support 8bpp modes then :)
21:15:18 <Karth> my video card is from 1998, so thats kinda wierd
21:15:54 <frosch123> oh, time to run my updateall script
21:16:08 <frosch123> on how many comflicts will it stop?
21:16:08 <TrueBrain> Zuu: in case you missed it, I made WC_ values (WindowClass) + WindowNumber unique, and pointing to a single widget enum
21:16:18 <TrueBrain> so you can now highlight the right road toolbar in the right way etc :)
21:16:33 <TrueBrain> frosch123: after the first 5 commits of mine, it hsould 'just work' :P
21:18:04 <frosch123> well, recently i mostly encounter that it was a stupid idea of svn to version directories
21:18:05 <Zuu> TrueBrain: There can be more than one road toolbar? As far as I've understood all road/rail etc. toolbars share the same class, but I would not expect them to use different window numbers, just unique widget IDs.
21:18:27 <frosch123> (encountering as in both in ottd and at work)
21:18:55 <TrueBrain> Zuu: that is what I tried to say :)
21:19:04 <TrueBrain> they use the same WC_, but their window number is now unique
21:19:14 <TrueBrain> (not their widget id, their window number btw ;))
21:19:31 <Zuu> Okay, good to hear that the window number is documented. :-)
21:20:02 <Zuu> Now that NoGo is in trunk, does the same doc URL apply or will there be a different one?
21:20:24 <TrueBrain> I guess I have to make nogo.openttd.org ...
21:21:30 <Zuu> Another task after merging with trunk is to point the finger.openttd.org entry to trunk. ... but don't hurry if you feel overwhelmed. :-)
21:21:44 <TrueBrain> not going to happen for another 22 hours :)
21:22:33 <Zuu> Oh yea, sure I just forgot that we have to wait 22 hours for the next nightly to build.
21:23:08 <Alberth> plenty of time to learn building it from source :p
21:23:33 <Karth> Well thanks for the help getting the game going, now it seems I need to figure out how to fix alsa again :(
21:24:17 <Alberth> Karth: it is very possible to play without sounds, I managed that for many years :)
21:25:01 <Karth> I know, but whats the fun in that :P besides its system wide
21:25:56 <Zuu> Alberth: Fortutately I already know how to build from source. I just have to pull + update hg, regenerate the project files and compile. Not too hard really :-)
21:28:50 <Rubidium> regenerate project files?
21:29:16 <Terkhen> urgh, I hated alsa/oss/whatever
21:29:39 <Terkhen> that was the worst part of setting up a linux partition for me
21:29:42 <Zuu> Because sometimes building doesn't work when they miss a new file.
21:29:57 <Terkhen> s/worst part/only part that did not go smoothly/
21:30:22 * Zuu realized that he got 32 new strings to translate
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21:40:56 <Terkhen> you must have forgotten about translating for a long time :)
21:43:12 <Zuu> well, I translated a string yesterday, my language just happen to get cut away from most log messages.
21:43:41 <Zuu> Actually, I should usually wait a day or two after most other languages translating in order to get noticed :-)
21:44:03 <Rubidium> Zuu: CIA is just lame
21:44:08 * Terkhen just forgets unless he is highlighted
21:44:26 <Terkhen> I have the RSS feed but that usually takes days to come for some reason
21:45:28 <Zuu> Hmm, did that email about traslation cause WT3.0 to act wierd? It was slow and now I can't pull up a list of all recent translations to review them for consistency.
21:45:53 <Zuu> Ah good, waiting a while solved it. :-)
21:45:58 <Rubidium> the CF is also running
21:46:04 <Rubidium> so the server might be a bit sluggish
21:46:34 <TrueBrain> the server is not even 25% streshed
21:58:16 <Zuu> Could alse be because there was two of us translating Swedish at the same time.
22:03:35 <Terkhen> oooh, OpenTTD displays a message about "your language has a lazy translator"
22:04:36 <Zuu> Yep, I've seen that one lately in the NoGo branch :-)
22:04:50 <Terkhen> urgh, I'm the translator of that message
22:04:57 <Terkhen> so I translated it and forgot about the feature
22:05:00 <Zuu> I think it has been there for a year or so.
22:06:06 <Zuu> I think it is a good invention. Whenever a popular language will lose its translators, people are going to notice.
22:07:23 <Zuu> And when they become translators they will find out whom to blame :-)
22:07:26 <Rubidium> Zuu: you should change the threshold to be 0, then every time a string is missing you see that ;)
22:07:39 <V453000> :D your language has a lazy translator :D
22:09:21 <Zuu> Hmm, now that I looked up the string, I'm slightly dissapointed that it doesn't say "lazy translator" :-)
22:09:42 <Terkhen> it does not actually say it, but the implications of what it says are quite clear
22:10:31 <frosch123> Terkhen: i actually wonder whether some translator would put some strong words into that message :p
22:11:28 <Terkhen> I forgot about translating the message so I guess that I dismissed it thinking "I'm so efficient that I'll never see this"
22:12:02 * Zuu suggests that Terkhen gets NoGo 1.5 :-)
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22:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> <frosch123> they must find some day when noone is looking <-- ask the CIA/NSA/MPAA whether they have a "terrorist" attack planned which they can hijack?
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22:23:25 <Terkhen> there we go, 43 strings pending for spanish
23:03:13 <Karth> Hmm, well got my system's sound working, including timidity. Any idea why OpenTTD's music doesn't work? OS is Debian Squeeze.
23:05:52 <Karth> yep, installed the original GMs
23:06:44 <Karth> yep, when I open the midi player it just shoots through them
23:07:02 <Zuu> Isn't there an issue with the german original CD as well or do I remember wrong?
23:07:16 <glx> usually means it doesn't find the files
23:08:25 <Karth> they are in /usr/share/games/openttd/gm
23:09:17 <Yexo> did you try downloading and using openmsx?
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23:09:31 <Karth> I have not, let me try that
23:14:50 <Eddi|zuHause> tried getting some debug output?
23:16:47 <Karth> no I haven't, how do I set it to debug?
23:16:48 <Zuu> Eg, do you have a midi player active in your Linux system?
23:17:10 <Karth> I've played a midi file using timidity in the terminal
23:18:01 <Zuu> IIRC OpenTTD have a command line option to tell which midi driver to use. Maybe that can give you some luck?
23:20:32 <Karth> hmm, let me take a look at something
23:27:56 <Karth> ok got debug going, it keeps repeating "ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occoured
23:32:41 <glx> that's sound related, not music
23:33:10 <Karth> hmm, well sound works fine, it doesn't tell me anything else at debug 1
23:34:21 <glx> hmm maybe you could try to play a midi file in the terminal while openttd is running
23:34:47 <glx> (just to check something)
23:37:32 <Karth> I can't play my midi file now
23:38:50 <Karth> says cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
23:38:56 <Karth> hmm, let me look into this
23:39:14 <peter1138> unable to play midi on linux usually means no suitable synth is installed/setup/etc/
23:39:35 <Karth> I can play midi when openttd is closed
23:39:40 <Karth> it worked when I closed openttd
23:40:32 <peter1138> probably something is accessing the sound hw device directly, bypassing software mixing
23:41:14 <glx> or timidity not using alsa
23:41:36 <Karth> how would I know if timidity is using alsa?
23:42:16 <Karth> considering my sound took blacklisting of drivers to get working in alsa
23:43:18 <glx> timidity -iA -Os should work
23:45:01 <Karth> some info there, but it says ALSA pcm 'default' can't set hw_params and at the bottom says couldn't open ALSA pcm device (`s')
23:45:13 <Karth> lots of information inbetween
23:45:58 <Karth> also, alsa's mixer works fine on it
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