IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2011-10-24
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01:39:33 <FFLaguna> What's that other industrial NewGRF, the one other than ECS?
01:41:17 <FFLaguna> Which do most people prefer? ECS or FIRS?
01:51:28 <Elukka> can't speak for others, but FIRS for me
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02:44:12 <FFLaguna> "Basically I tout Simutrans just to piss off Elukka."
02:44:17 <FFLaguna> From a thread in Dec. 2009
02:44:29 <FFLaguna> I just saw that randomly while looking for other OpenTTD stuff
02:45:23 <Elukka> played a bunch of openttd games in that community
02:48:09 <DDR_> Hm, I could never really figure out Simutrans. Where OpenTTD is clear and simple, Simutrans... well, let's just say that I had trouble building bridges when I tried a few years ago.
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06:20:45 <FFLaguna> Is there a keyboard shortcut to DELETE a signal while the signal tool is selected?
06:20:55 <FFLaguna> It's annoying to click and back forth between bulldozer button when adjusting signals :(
06:26:29 <FFLaguna> You just saved me a LOT of annoyance!!
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06:29:24 <Terkhen> FFLaguna: OpenGFX+ Industries lets you customize which default industry chains you want to use
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10:51:26 <Arafangion> Simutrans on the iPhone is a joke, also.
10:54:44 <Arafangion> Lets just say that bridges were the least of my difficulties.
10:55:12 <peter1138> been about 6 years since i played it
10:55:39 <Arafangion> Well, it was a stupid port.
10:55:45 <Arafangion> Imagine the iphone.
10:55:56 <Arafangion> Now, just *port* the entire thing as-is, with zero UI changes.
10:56:08 <Arafangion> The thing didn't even scroll like an iphone app.
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11:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> is it really necessary to have both VT95 and VT98 in core?
11:24:09 <peter1138> shall i go to see katie price book signing?
11:26:32 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, yes, you need every possible engine
11:27:34 <planetmaker> :-P hence asking for 'core' ;-)
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11:31:54 <Celestar> good to see it'S still basically the same troop :D
11:42:54 <Celestar> any everyone's life's still the same? :P
11:45:28 <Celestar> and what's the big news in the Openttd world?
11:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of little news
11:48:12 <Celestar> I should try it out again I guess :)
11:48:23 <Celestar> haven't gotten around to playing for like 6 months.
11:55:06 <planetmaker> I guess nothing revolutionary got added since then
11:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause> several small newgrf additions, that won't show immediately if you use no such newgrf
11:58:58 <TrueBrain> what?! A Celestar here?!
11:59:01 <TrueBrain> this I cannot believe ...
11:59:22 <Celestar> Sound like Yoda you do
11:59:24 * TrueBrain hugs Celestar deeply
11:59:39 <TrueBrain> what brings you here? :)
12:00:02 <Celestar> remembering good old times where I spent work days coding openttd? :P
12:00:17 <TrueBrain> the good old days :P
12:00:56 <Celestar> maybe they'll return at some point :P
12:01:41 <z-MaTRiX> someone knows squid?
12:02:17 <TrueBrain> those animals in the sea?
12:02:45 <TrueBrain> (and Celestar, no, nothing changed, people still query about all questions in this channel :D)
12:03:20 <planetmaker> and still ask meta questions ;-)
12:03:33 <peter1138> yeah, work days coding openttd, they were fun
12:04:00 <Celestar> peter1138: not coding anymore? ;)
12:04:29 <z-MaTRiX> trying to redirect, but it only rewrites request url
12:05:45 <z-MaTRiX> my rewriter gives 302:url back and it doe not work right
12:06:23 <peter1138> Celestar, not a lot
12:09:03 <Celestar> I know what you're talking about.
12:09:18 <Celestar> Things are weird once you have a life
12:09:40 <__ln__> "a life", is that some newgrf or something?
12:10:22 <planetmaker> it's called openttd3D in other discussions
12:11:47 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: no, VOXELS
12:13:22 <heffer> Ammler: you got any RPM spec for NML yet by any chance?
12:16:14 <Yexo> heffer: trunk opengfx needs trunk nml. There will be an nml release before the next opengfx release
12:16:59 <heffer> i was just looking for a rpm spec file i can use to base my spec for fedora off :)
12:27:00 <Yexo> welcome back Celestar :)
12:27:50 <Celestar> ... why is my ping 27 seconds O_o
12:28:51 <TrueBrain> stop using pidgeons as transmission protocol?
12:30:16 <Celestar> it'S called UMTS, but yeah, same thing really.
12:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> mäh... i think i'm at the limit of the preprocessor...
12:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i need to preprocess the left side of a #define
12:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> so i can "#define VEH_ID(capacity_switch) CAPACITY"
12:47:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and it must be evaluated to "#define DB_VT12capacity_switch capacity_80_switch"
12:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> before actually getting #defined
12:48:22 <TrueBrain> #define VEH_ID(x) DB_VT12 # x
12:48:29 <TrueBrain> #define CAPACITY capacity_80_switch
12:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: that's what currently is defined, but that won't work.
12:50:05 <TrueBrain> haha, no, it wont :)
12:50:11 <TrueBrain> you can't evaluate the left side in a define
12:50:15 <TrueBrain> by definition you cant :)
12:50:22 <TrueBrain> (as you are defining it ... :P)
12:50:42 <TrueBrain> I think you need a better solutio n;)
12:50:53 <TrueBrain> no clue what you are doing, but it sounds dirty and very wrong
12:51:30 <Eddi|zuHause> nml is too stup^W limited
12:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> if i do "VEH_ID(capacity_switch) = CAPACITY;" it complains "this cannot be assigned to a parameter"
12:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause> nml needs named constants
12:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> (CAPACITY evaluates to the name of a switch)
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13:11:12 <z-MaTRiX> printf '%s\n' "$teststr" | sed -re 's;.*google.[^/\.]+/url?[^\&]*q=([^\&]+).*;\1;' | while IFS= read -d '' -r -n1 c; do [[ $c = % ]] && { read -n2 hex; printf \\x"$hex"; } || printf '%s' "$c"; done | sed 's;.*;303:&;'
13:11:53 <z-MaTRiX> made this to be squid url_rewrite app and now google redirection is evaluated onthefly
13:16:18 <Ammler> heffer: also nml is available from pypi
13:17:11 <Eddi|zuHause> purpose should be: go backwards in vehicle chaing, step size 3: find first vehicle with ID>128
13:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause> a) i don't know whether that does actually do that
13:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> b) i wonder if it could be simplified
13:18:25 <Belugas> ho, the Celestar man :) hello sir. nice seeing yuou coming down frm the clouds ;)
13:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause> c) or better put into a procedure
13:18:49 <Ammler> heffer: the spec should be completely compatible to fedora, if not, please report :-)
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13:27:42 <Belugas> Clouds as an expression pointing out to your job
13:27:55 <Belugas> unless you've changed sinc last time ;)
13:35:13 <Celestar> when was last time :D
13:45:20 <Belugas> hem... it was... a long time ago?
13:49:17 <__ln__> 10 days ago: <@DorpsGek> Celestar was last seen in #openttd 39 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Celestar> hahah
13:49:20 <Belugas> but.. are you still in aerospatial industry?
13:53:07 <TrueBrain> he is not allowed to say :D
13:54:13 <planetmaker> dress code: black hat, trench coat and black sun glasses now? :-P
13:57:33 <Celestar> I'm more like devving software :P
14:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause> so when's your next openttd patch coming? :)
14:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> mäh, my code is definitely not working...
14:04:31 <planetmaker> yeah... I heart that Celestar has a few new OpenTTD projects coming. Can't have heart wrong, can I? :-P (Or did I dream?)
14:04:49 <Celestar> I guess all my patches are vs revision 13xxx :P
14:04:56 <Celestar> i.e. futterly useless :D
14:05:21 <Belugas> you've always been in software???
14:05:34 <Eddi|zuHause> we need something evil with parallelization :p
14:21:43 <Celestar> Belugas: but I'll tell ye the story later on.
14:21:49 <Celestar> gotta haul my butt to town
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15:09:25 <heffer> anyone want to fix the nml doc files directions.png, index.html and old-callbacks.html having executable permissions? :D
15:09:29 <heffer> my rpmlint is crying :D
15:23:25 <planetmaker> I made a note on that, heffer
15:29:52 <Ammler> heffer: you build head?
15:30:13 <Ammler> hmm, I thought that was fixed
15:30:19 <heffer> i'm afk for an hour or so :) need to get groceries
15:30:48 <Ammler> maybe some windows guy committed again new bugs ;-)
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17:40:39 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: LOAD_TEMP(0)<128?LOAD_TEMP(0):STORE_TEMP(-6, 0x10F) <- that probably doesn't work as you expect it to work
17:40:49 <Yexo> the STORE_TEMP(-6, 0x10F) is always executed
17:42:08 <Yexo> if you really want conditional execution of that you'll have to write multiple switch-blocks yourself
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18:27:52 <Belugas> anyone that can recommand a small midi foot controler? kind like 3-4 switches? Boss FC300 and Behringher FCB1010 are too big for what i need
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22:18:44 <Eddi|zuHause> ini: invalid value 'weekly' for 'gui.autosave' <-- we need better handling of this. currently it disables autosave completely, instead of choosing a default value of "monthly"
22:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause> someone pray that my reboot works...
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