IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2011-08-05
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02:08:22 <phatmatt> hi, is anyone here able to fix up a pre-openttd.org-account-merge flyspray account? i've forgotten the password :(
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06:04:14 <planetmaker> phatmatt: what account would I be looking for?
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07:07:58 <phatmatt> planetmaker: username should be 'icosikai'; hopefully it has one of my email addresses attached to it
07:16:23 <planetmaker> I'm afraid I don't see such user
07:18:57 <planetmaker> oh, capital "I". You're sure you spellt your login correctly with the correct capitalization?
07:19:19 <planetmaker> when you tried to login?
07:22:08 <phatmatt> i'll try again, but pretty sure I did
07:23:57 <planetmaker> hm... maybe it's indeed stored somewhere entirely different when it's from the pre-merge.
07:24:11 <planetmaker> I'm afraid I don't find it with captal I either
07:24:14 <phatmatt> if it's a hassle don't worry, i'll just make a new one
07:25:31 <phatmatt> thanks for looking into it, at least now i get a fancy pants unified login account
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08:51:44 <dihedral> scientific linux \o/
08:52:02 <dihedral> at least the stick to their release dates (+/- a week)
08:52:07 <dihedral> other than centos :-P
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09:10:26 <__ln__> that doesn't make any sense
09:11:42 <andythenorth> the domain name tells me that much
09:12:23 <andythenorth> your comment is a tautology, given the domain name
09:12:29 <andythenorth> it would hold for any story on that domain
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11:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll take a look at that later
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12:34:05 <andythenorth> every time I ask for multi-stop docks, they probably get less likely :P
12:36:47 <Hirundo> you mean docks with a state machine, like airports, or multiple docks per station like current road stops?
12:38:41 <planetmaker> The "best" solution probably would be to have docks which define the adjacent tiles where ships can dock
12:39:21 <andythenorth> 'someone' was threatening to do multi-stop like current road stops
12:39:27 <andythenorth> probably with 3 per dock
12:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i don't think that's a good solution at all. any change to that will block introduction of statemachines later
12:39:40 <andythenorth> add permit multiple docks per station
12:39:50 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause was multi-stop you, or mr 1138?
12:39:54 <andythenorth> one of you suggested it
12:39:58 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, but... do we want / need state machines for ports?
12:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> suggest, yes... implement? no :p
12:40:17 <andythenorth> planetmaker: in the far distant future
12:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i'm pretty sure we do want that
12:40:34 <andythenorth> new_whatever_ports_is_called is a utopian vision
12:40:50 <andythenorth> we may not get there, but the journey alone might be interesting :P
12:44:49 <andythenorth> why do I read forums?
12:44:55 <andythenorth> rage probably shortens my life
12:48:03 <planetmaker> that *might* shorten life even more
12:49:30 <Hirundo> huh :o how did that happen?
12:50:19 <andythenorth> stalled on a gradient?
12:50:27 <andythenorth> wheelslip limiter didn't kick in apparently
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13:08:02 <planetmaker> hm, coffee, tea or cookie, andythenorth ? ;-)
13:09:10 <planetmaker> that's perfect. I just happend to make some new one :-)
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13:18:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's cool that nml gives the actual file as error location, but it misses the "included from <x>" part
13:20:34 <Hirundo> Is it possible to deduce that info from the CPP output?
13:21:37 <Rubidium> it adds filenames and offsets in some format to the files
13:21:49 <Rubidium> so from that data it ought to be possible to deduce a 'trace'
13:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause> gcc must do that somehow...
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13:25:14 <Hirundo> At a quick glance it seems indeed possible, but I don't have time to look into it right now
13:25:31 <Hirundo> Could you file a feature request at the NML issue tracker?
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16:23:01 <frosch123> is anyone in here running a tiling window manager?
16:24:21 <frosch123> i consider using one too
16:24:41 <frosch123> which one is the "default" debian one?
16:25:18 <frosch123> "default" as in most-likely integrated with other stuff
16:26:10 <frosch123> best-maintained or simliar
16:26:17 <blathijs> Not sure, awesome works for me rather well
16:26:38 <blathijs> though I use it without the GNOME taskbar and menu stuff
16:27:30 <Ammler> is awesome the wm for gnome?
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17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22720 /trunk/src/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt hebrew.txt spanish.txt):
17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hebrew - 8 changes by rril
17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 11 changes by Tucalipe
17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: spanish - 2 changes by lpenap
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18:15:55 <michi_cc> Alberth: Don't confuse the table explaining the parts with the actual syntax printed above.
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18:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth/michi_cc: is this better?
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18:41:27 <michi_cc> The description for <chunks ...> should be directly after 14 for a logical order
18:44:28 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: yes, that's what I expected. Thanks
18:46:14 <michi_cc> Moved <chunks ...> up
18:49:04 <Alberth> so how does the first example in Descriptions fit that pattern?
18:49:53 <Alberth> "C" "CSTM", is that <chunk ...> ?
18:50:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the whole thing until the final 00 is the chunk#
18:53:11 <Alberth> so that example misses "C"/"B"/"T", <identifier> and all the other fields below <chunk...> ?
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18:56:15 <Alberth> First part of the syntax, upto the table makes sense to me, but I cannot relate the fields in the table to that first part.
19:11:07 <Alberth> apparently, more people are getting confused :p
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19:23:35 <frosch123> why is there some guy on the forums trying to understand r1?
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19:25:03 * Alberth guesses he wants to build r1
19:25:31 <frosch123> you mean that functions fails to compile in r1?
19:25:36 <andythenorth> ot: I have annoying nickserv messages from my irc client when I open it
19:25:43 <andythenorth> any clues what I'm doing wrong?
19:26:09 <andythenorth> I've moved to a new laptop - same client, same nicks, different MAC address
19:26:31 <andythenorth> I've googled a bit for help
19:27:18 <Alberth> frosch123: given his knowledge of C/C++ pretty much anything is possible
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19:29:06 <frosch123> i wonder whether i should give him the link to ottd 0.1
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19:30:25 <frosch123> andythenorth: on wireless?
19:31:04 <andythenorth> but I'm trying to figure out irc weirdness
19:31:09 <andythenorth> sorry for flapping :(
19:31:35 <andythenorth> I am getting pissed off with getting 9 messages from nickserv every time I join the room
19:31:56 <andythenorth> "this nickname is registered, please choose a different nickname or...[truncated]"
19:32:13 <andythenorth> then "you are successfully identified as andythenorth"
19:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you copied over the config from the old computer?
19:32:51 <Eddi|zuHause> could put nickserv on ignore :p
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19:36:08 <andythenorth> found some settings in my client to ignore messages
19:36:14 <andythenorth> may have side effects, who knows ;P
19:36:59 <Eddi|zuHause> my guess is that you always got these messages, but they were hidden in some status window
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19:39:01 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: don't squander bits on crossings :P
19:39:05 <andythenorth> roadtypes need them
19:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause> imho roadtypes need more bits than are available anyway
19:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause> and didn't i say i won't implement this?
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19:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> ooooh... that didn't happen in a long time :p
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22:38:31 * welshdragon needs to set up his BNC on orudge's server
22:38:58 <welshdragon> now, where was i? ah yes! Can I convert a savegame into a scenario?
22:41:16 <welshdragon> (i've built up a nice track layout in IS2.1.1 and want to try to get around Chill's savegame incompatibility)
22:42:09 <planetmaker> rename the savegame extension from sav to scn
22:42:28 <planetmaker> it's the same just a different colour (or name rather)
22:42:51 <planetmaker> but you'll not work around any savegame compatibility that way
22:43:09 <planetmaker> nor any other save hex-editing the differences
22:43:25 <welshdragon> well, all I want is the tracks
22:43:44 <welshdragon> I'm not fussed about keeping companies intact
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22:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> compile copypaste upon IS2?
22:44:34 <planetmaker> tracks are company property. company gone -> tracks gone
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22:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you could write a crude export routine writing tile height and trackbits into a file, and read that in chipp as a "map generator"
22:46:30 <welshdragon> or I can ask Chill to try to fix savegame compatibility :P
22:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not going to happen
22:47:46 <planetmaker> most probably not. It would be time not well spent
22:48:23 <welshdragon> but why? CHIPP is newer than IS2, yet it fails to load a save, which iirc normal OTTD does fine
22:48:48 <planetmaker> both are patched versions...
22:49:47 <planetmaker> and versionA says that the savegame format is like A and versionB says it is like B
22:49:56 <planetmaker> both of which are different from trunk
22:50:13 <planetmaker> both use the same version for savegames but with a different meaning
22:56:28 <welshdragon> hmm, indeed, I just changed the extension of an old save to that of a scenario, it throws up 'Unexpected End of Chunk'
22:56:55 <welshdragon> when loaded with 1.1.1 (save was from IS2.1.1)
22:58:07 <welshdragon> So, guess I can't 'update' the game I'm playing
22:58:50 <welshdragon> (i've played said game now for 15 months, and still not 'completed' it)
23:00:50 <welshdragon> oh well, thanks PM. I'll have 'stable' internet again in 3 - 4 days, and I'll have set up my BNC again, so ciao for now!
23:01:14 <planetmaker> ghost hour is over anyway. good night
23:01:47 <Ammler> do ghosts respect timezones?
23:04:41 <planetmaker> they walk with the time zones
23:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker/Ammler: are you aware that when i post a comment on the devzone it redirects me from https to http?
23:25:28 <Ammler> well, does that happen because you need to login?
23:26:06 <duckblaster> that's going from secure to non secure, not good
23:27:43 <Ammler> well, login does force you to ssl
23:27:58 <duckblaster> it should be secure all the time
23:28:06 <Ammler> and after successful login, you get redirected to where you came from
23:28:19 <duckblaster> not just when loging in
23:28:20 <Ammler> duckblaster: up to you
23:28:48 <duckblaster> cookies can be hijacked when nonsecure
23:29:13 <duckblaster> maybe not important here, but with bigger sites like facebook.......
23:34:23 <Ammler> I am not sure, if it is unsecure, as you get the cookie with ssl, right?
23:34:41 <Ammler> after that, why should it matter if you continue without
23:38:05 <Ammler> the question is rather, is the force login with ssl useless?
23:39:00 <duckblaster> the cookie is sent enencrypted, anyone on the same network (especially wireless) can get it
23:39:50 <duckblaster> they are then logged in, no password stealing needed
23:40:10 <Ammler> how does that matter, if with or without ssl?
23:40:25 <duckblaster> with ssl, it is not possible
23:40:32 <duckblaster> everything is encrypted
23:40:41 <duckblaster> takes years to brute force it
23:40:51 <duckblaster> no ssl, done in seconds
23:41:35 <duckblaster> let me find the info
23:42:15 <duckblaster> on a wireless network?
23:42:36 <Ammler> I guess, it is possible if you can setup proxy (man-in-the-middle), but then you need to tell the user that the cert is trusted
23:42:53 <duckblaster> install firesheep addon in firefox
23:43:02 <duckblaster> connect to wireless network
23:43:22 <duckblaster> log in to facebook or similar on other computer on network
23:43:29 <duckblaster> steal the cookies
23:44:40 <ccfreak2k> Windows Live didn't use SSL?
23:44:50 <duckblaster> only for login i think
23:49:32 <Ammler> well, I allow user to use ssl only, but I do not force it
23:49:52 <Ammler> I force just login and profile
23:50:52 <duckblaster> turn ssl always on as default
23:51:27 <Ammler> there are still windows user around...
23:52:05 <Ammler> maybe I find a way to force ssl after login
23:57:28 <Ammler> duckblaster: you know redmine?
23:58:51 <Ammler> I have no clue how I could setup https per default but still allow http
23:59:36 <duckblaster> if logged in, check if the use https pref is set, if yes, redirect to https
23:59:50 <duckblaster> set that pref on by default
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