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00:03:50  <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.0.5, 1.1.0-RC3

00:03:50  *** DorpsGek changes topic to "1.0.5, 1.1.0-RC3 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version | English only"

00:07:22  <frosch123> night

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00:37:44  <me> hello

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00:38:46  <Eddi|zuHause> good bye

00:40:01  <supermop> interesting reading your post about train length today

00:42:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i hope so ;)

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00:57:53  <supermop> hmm need to get dinner

00:57:59  <supermop> and it is so nice outside

00:58:04  <supermop> like 70 degrees

00:58:12  <supermop> not humid, light breeze

00:58:22  <supermop> I should eat n my roof

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02:21:13  <ccfreak2k> That was fun.

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02:31:50  <Eddi|zuHause2> what the hell was that?

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02:34:36  <supermop> not quite a split?

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02:35:25  <glx> a botnet attack

02:35:55  <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, at least one server went down on it.

02:36:09  <supermop> why would a botnet atttack an irc server?

02:36:22  <glx> usually spam

02:37:34  <Eddi|zuHause> and i couldn't rejoin because of +i

02:37:55  <glx> we're not +i

02:38:18  <glx> oh we were

02:39:09  <Eddi|zuHause> well, it doesn't auto-retry

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02:39:41  <glx> +i is a good way to prevent this ;)

02:41:30  <Eddi|zuHause> well, obviously it was off again when i retried manually, 20 minutes later ;)

02:41:48  <Eddi|zuHause> and the +i isn't in my log before i was thrown out

02:43:25  <Eddi|zuHause> if it wasn't off yet, i'd have to randomly guess who to query for an invite

02:43:29  <glx> was from 03:08 to 03:10 and from 03:11 to 03:15

02:44:07  <glx> but IIRC it's better to use +R

02:44:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not registered either

02:45:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not even sure whether an invite would override +R

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04:02:15  <supermop> been playing a fun game with timetables

04:02:23  <supermop> and departure boards

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04:39:58  <Eddi|zuHause> sick spammer at the forum :(

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06:33:08  <andythenorth> mornings

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08:41:26  <Terkhen> good morning

08:47:22  <andythenorth> hi Terkhen

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09:28:37  <andythenorth> things seem very quiet around here these days

09:28:39  <andythenorth> maybe it's done?

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09:35:40  <Terkhen> for 1.1.0 maybe :P

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09:39:17  <Alberth> irc is old

09:40:17  <andythenorth> so am I :(

09:40:25  <andythenorth> oh no, that was last year

09:40:30  <andythenorth> this year I'm young again :)

09:40:40  <Terkhen> :)

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10:32:27  <Wolf01> hello

10:32:42  <Terkhen> hi Wolf01

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10:51:39  <Wolf01> http://goo.gl/cSDdh

10:52:33  <Wolf01> geiger counter display @ tokyo

10:54:06  * Rubidium wonders how much faster one in a bananas storage facility goes

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11:00:22  <andythenorth> morning DanMacK

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11:06:36  <Rubidium> Wolf01: the value is actually quite boring

11:08:46  <Rubidium> apparantly 207 days with 100 CPM gives the average human exposure in the US

11:09:10  <Rubidium> though that includes things like food and medical treatments

11:09:44  <Rubidium> so as "background" radiation it seems to look pretty normal

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11:11:01  <ychaouche> Hello #openttd

11:11:10  <ychaouche> I used to play this game a year ago or so

11:11:15  <Rubidium> hello

11:12:09  <ychaouche> Sometimes, when a vehicle arrives at destination, the amount of money is displayed in a different color and it doesn't add it to my cash. Why is that ?

11:12:29  * ychaouche apologizes for its poor english

11:12:37  <__ln__> it's your competitor's vehicle?

11:12:41  <Rubidium> it's transfering cargo, i.e. it hasn't been delivered to the final destination

11:12:48  <ychaouche> __ln__: not it is my vehicle

11:13:06  <ychaouche> Rubidium: I don't think so. It happens for buses and trains

11:13:08  <Rubidium> to keep vehicles (possibly) profitable they are virtually paid an amount of their travel

11:13:12  <ychaouche> At least for buses

11:13:39  <Wolf01> Rubidium, our (italian) newspapers say that there is a lethal dose of radiations in Tokyo too, we must decide with a referendum to build some nuclear plants here, and the Japan disaster happened just in time to be used as an instrument against the nuclear power

11:14:16  <Rubidium> Wolf01: I don't trust reporters *at all* in case of emergency

11:14:34  <Wolf01> me too, but more than half of my country does

11:14:48  <Rubidium> they make stuff up at the spot as they need an answer they don't know

11:15:29  <Rubidium> and if the amount of radiation is lethal in Tokyo, then it'd be pretty interesting why the Chernobyl thing wasn't as lethal (especially down wind)

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11:16:39  <mr_fribble> Hi Guys.

11:17:10  <Terkhen> spanish newspapers have been specially fond of the word "apocalypse" in their headlines since this begun

11:17:13  <Terkhen> hi mr_fribble

11:17:54  <mr_fribble> Quick Q for anyone whos good with dedicated servers..  Do you know why when i set stuff in the difficulty section of the .cfg  the server seems to ignore it? Ie: changing maxloan to 100000 it still runs the server with 300k ?

11:18:26  <mr_fribble> It doesnt ignore other sections.. Just the difficulty part

11:18:31  <Rubidium> set difficulty settings to custom first

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11:18:43  <ychaouche> Anyone seen the movie "the shipping news" ?

11:18:56  <dihedral> \o/

11:18:57  <ychaouche> It shows a good exemple of media exageration.

11:19:02  <dihedral> hello

11:19:09  <mr_fribble> set to custom? what var is that?

11:19:22  <dihedral> wiki.openttd.org ;-)

11:19:29  <dihedral> search for custom or difficulty

11:19:43  <mr_fribble> ahhh, diff_level = 3

11:19:45  <mr_fribble> ty

11:19:49  <mr_fribble> ill give that a shot :)

11:20:25  <mr_fribble> awesome :) it works :)

11:21:04  <mr_fribble> Ive got a few spare xeon servers on 1gig connections im gonna fill up with openttd servers.. Is there any kind of map that people want to play that there doesnt appear to be servers for?

11:21:46  <dihedral> have a look at the servers list and have a wile guess how high the chances are that such a server does not exist :-P

11:21:52  <dihedral> filling up - is not really needed

11:21:55  <dihedral> well maintained is

11:22:07  <dihedral> a single server well administered is better than a fleet of servers

11:23:30  <mr_fribble> i see. whats the problems that people face that need resolving then?

11:23:49  <dihedral> lack of administration of the servers they are playing on

11:24:03  <Rubidium> mr_fribble: the fact that there are more servers to choose from than people playing

11:24:11  <Terkhen> random people coming to destroy stuff

11:24:17  <Rubidium> i.e. a big majority of the servers is empty

11:24:25  <dihedral>  and old

11:28:45  <Wolf01> somebody of you does know how to delete from cmd a copy of the repository folder? I can't delete it because of the "format" file inside (I bet it's a kind of link), in explorer I can do it with no problem, but I need to do it in a batch process (for backup purpose)

11:31:55  <Alberth> you mean   rm -rf thefolder     ?

11:32:22  <Wolf01> yes

11:33:28  <Wolf01> the problem of "dos" is that it doesn't handle correctly things derived from unix

11:35:50  <Terkhen> IIRC it was a complicated batch script, it would probably be simpler to get rm from gnuwin32

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11:37:01  <Alberth> Wolf01: the problem is that you are trying to do automagically things with such a system. It is not designed for to do that.

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11:42:19  <dihedral> format c:

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11:44:19  <Alberth> nah, just use a random linux install cd :p

11:45:30  <dihedral> i recall early suse times, where you would boot into dos, and from there could load the kernel :-D

11:45:49  <dihedral> that was a tedious thing getting into linux back then :-P

11:47:28  <dihedral> must have been something like 94 or 95

11:47:32  <frosch123> yeah, but once you started loadlin you could not just exit it, and go back to dos :p

11:47:45  <dihedral> aye :-D

11:48:09  <Alberth> I never had dos at all :)

11:48:16  <dihedral> poor you :-D

11:48:18  <frosch123> but yes, lilo and loli :)

11:48:34  <dihedral> too much fun back then

11:48:54  <Alberth> try installing openbsd, still a lot of fun

11:49:57  <dihedral> hehe

11:57:17  <dihedral> crap - forgot my laptops power supply at work :-(

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12:10:12  <Zuu_> dihedral: thaksfully that's not the worst thing that can happen.

12:12:18  <Eddi|zuHause> imagine the other way round ;)

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12:20:43  <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause> imagine the other way round ;) <- LOL

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14:29:36  <supermop_> good morning

14:32:46  <SmatZ> hello supermop_

14:33:51  <supermop_> oops

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15:12:28  <SmatZ> I wonder why are linux kernels 2.6.34 and 2.6.35 marked as "longterm", when they had latest update in Janury and February

15:16:11  <Ammler> start to be longterm

15:17:25  <Ammler> mine is .37 :-)

15:17:49  <SmatZ> :)

15:18:21  <SmatZ> 2.6.32 is "longterm" too, and it has release every ~two weeks

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15:20:10  <Ammler> I wonder more, that is the difference between 35.9 stable and 35.11 longterm?

15:23:29  <Alberth> 0.2

15:23:31  <Rubidium> I guess it's just a configuration error

15:24:03  <Rubidium> Alberth: really, I'd say 0.79 ;)

15:24:42  <Alberth> that much eh?

15:24:56  <Rubidium> the question is what distros are backing the long terms

15:25:14  <Rubidium> .32 is "backed" by Debian and RH

15:29:04  <Ammler> suse is also with .32

15:29:14  <Ammler> I assume, they look on each other?

15:29:59  <Ammler> he, suse made a SP release to update from .31 to .32

15:33:19  <Ammler> oh, btw. the only compile warnings at suse build service is for kernel .24 (gcc 4.1.2):

15:33:21  <Ammler> /usr/src/packages/BUILD/openttd-1.1.0-RC3/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: In member function 'void SmallMapWindow::SetZoomLevel(SmallMapWindow::ZoomLevelChange, const Point*)':

15:33:22  <Ammler> /usr/src/packages/BUILD/openttd-1.1.0-RC3/src/smallmap_gui.cpp:694: warning: 'tile.Point::y' may be used uninitialized in this function

15:33:24  <Ammler> /usr/src/packages/BUILD/openttd-1.1.0-RC3/src/smallmap_gui.cpp:694: warning: 'tile.Point::x' may be used uninitialized in this function

15:33:50  <Ammler> all other repos are completely free of warnings

15:35:22  <SmatZ>     Versions 4.1 and earlier give bogus warnings about uninitialised variables.

15:35:28  <Ammler> (this is SUSE 10 & CentOS/RHEL 5)

15:37:28  <Ammler> yeah, I thoguht, there are more such bogus warnings...

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17:24:37  <__ln__> war!

17:24:48  <__ln__> or is it a crisis?

17:28:37  <Alberth> we have both, depending on where you look :)

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18:30:10  <MinchinWeb> Alberth, did you code the town names part of NML?

18:30:53  <Alberth> yep

18:31:20  <Alberth> although yexo changed some thing since then :)

18:32:06  <MinchinWeb> in the NFO spec I read something about the ability to disallow combinations...did that get transfered to NML?

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18:33:28  <Alberth> probably not, as I don't remember reading about that

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18:42:52  * planetmaker wonders about where that piece of information was found

18:43:49  <Alberth> me too :)

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18:45:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22263 /trunk/src/lang/ (lithuanian.txt portuguese.txt romanian.txt):

18:45:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

18:45:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 35 changes by BlinK_

18:45:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 18 changes by JayCity

18:45:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: romanian - 15 changes by tonny

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18:49:01  <MinchinWeb2> Had to change computers

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18:49:52  <MinchinWeb2> The 32 random bits for town generation, is that arbitrary or limited by openttd?

18:50:10  <andythenorth> evenings

18:51:41  <MinchinWeb2> I think we figured my GRF would have needed 56 bits as it was originally written...

18:51:51  <Alberth> limited by newgrf spec

18:52:42  <Alberth> and since openttd follows those specs... :)

18:52:48  <Terkhen> hi andythenorth

18:52:49  <MinchinWeb2> Is it possible to link to GRF's and get more bits that way?

18:53:28  <MinchinWeb2> *link TWO GRF *

18:53:43  <Terkhen> I don't think so, but IIRC some people that checked your code suggested a few reorganizations that would allow you to use less bits

18:54:39  <MinchinWeb2> Yeah I got it down to 32 so it compiles and I released it earlier today

18:55:30  <MinchinWeb2> Just wondering if there's a way around the 32 bit limit...

18:57:38  <Alberth> use less than 32 bits is the only way

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19:01:25  <MinchinWeb2> and the 127 max probability, is that the same or could I go higher?

19:01:47  <Alberth> the code implements the limits set by the newgrf spec

19:02:08  <Alberth> the high bit is used for something

19:02:16  <Terkhen> IIRC if you give each part less probability it will use less bits

19:02:39  <Alberth> indeed

19:03:26  <MinchinWeb2> I did that - I changed probabilities from 1:10 to 1:8 and 1:20 to 1:15

19:05:46  <MinchinWeb2> Is there maximum number of possible names to provide?

19:06:06  <MinchinWeb2> Or just based on the 32bit limit?

19:07:01  <Alberth> if you hit the 32bit limit, you probably have way too many names anyway

19:07:04  <dihedral> \o/ close to ready to quitting the old server :-)

19:07:12  <dihedral> hudson and nexus moved \o/

19:07:24  <Alberth> ie it was designed for 256x256 maps

19:07:40  <Alberth> even for 2048x2048 you need only 4000 or so names

19:08:54  <MinchinWeb2> Mine can generate something like 15*1400*25 names or better

19:10:28  <Terkhen> wow :)

19:10:59  * andythenorth does ponder

19:10:59  <MinchinWeb2> Where I ran into issues is I generate names from parts on the fly... If you just has a static name list, the bits would never be a problem

19:12:13  <Alberth> @calc 15*1400*25

19:12:13  <DorpsGek> Alberth: 525000

19:12:29  <MinchinWeb2> What I might do next time is generate a static list using Excel first next time...

19:12:32  <Alberth> that's 16 bits :)

19:13:47  <MinchinWeb2> Prefix 1:7 chance (3 bit), mainbody (1 bit), suffix 1:15 chance (4 bits)

19:15:16  <Alberth> hmm, not awake, that is 20 bit actually

19:15:49  <MinchinWeb2> Prefix list added to 63 (7 bit), suffix list was similar (8 bits?), with the bases probabilities adding up to something huge

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19:16:36  <Markk> np: Pendulum – Girl in the Fire

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19:16:40  <Markk> oj

19:16:59  <Markk> That came out wrong

19:17:55  <MinchinWeb2> anyway, it doesn't take ling to rum through bits if you use them to make random choices :)

19:18:21  <MinchinWeb2> *long to run through*

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20:04:12  <andythenorth_> a base cost default is 08?

20:04:26  <Eddi|zuHause> yes

20:04:48  <andythenorth_> thanks

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20:19:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r22264 /trunk/readme.txt: -Document: GCC 4.7 is supported too, though it gives a false warning about freeing non-heap objects

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20:58:31  <andythenorth_> V453000:  I can't replicate this: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2338

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21:00:47  <Tyrope> Why the hell did i connect with away status on, oh well... I just started in OpenTTD, watched some youtube videos and read wiki articles but signals still confuse me.

21:01:19  <Eddi|zuHause> signals are more like "learning by doing"

21:01:23  <Tyrope> I have a 2x4 (2 lanes, 4 long) station which can only be (exit|enter)ed from 1 side.

21:01:28  <Tyrope> Is that possible?

21:01:35  <Tyrope> 'cause my trains keep getting lost

21:01:45  <Tyrope> Eddi|zuHause: sure it is, but at least knowing the basics is nice. :D

21:02:54  <Eddi|zuHause> basics: signal red => train stops. signal green => train goes

21:03:24  <Eddi|zuHause> back when i played the TT demo, i had neither a manual nor internet, to explain signals to me. i had to learn them from the AI

21:04:07  <Tyrope> Luckily i don't have that handicap.

21:04:50  <Eddi|zuHause> the signals were severely limted back then, you didn't have 6 types to choose from, and they didn't have direction either

21:05:52  <Eddi|zuHause> Tyrope: in almost all situation, the path signal that allows passing from the reverse side will do the job

21:06:17  <Tyrope> path signal, that's the high pole no-sign one, right?

21:06:26  <Eddi|zuHause> yes

21:06:32  <Eddi|zuHause> the 5th from the left

21:06:52  <Eddi|zuHause> if you get stuck trains, you have placed too many signals

21:07:05  <Tyrope> I used the drag thingy

21:07:23  <Tyrope> 1+6 size trains, signals every 4.

21:07:41  <Eddi|zuHause> sounds good enough ;)

21:09:56  <Tyrope> so if i put those signals on the blue lines, it'll work? http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2985/signalsu.jpg

21:10:05  <Tyrope> the right ones 1w, left 2w.

21:10:40  <Eddi|zuHause> remove the one in the -> direction, the others are fine

21:10:51  <Tyrope> so the exit sign

21:10:56  <Tyrope> bottom-right

21:11:01  <Eddi|zuHause> yes

21:11:04  <Tyrope> cool

21:11:06  <Tyrope> thx

21:12:27  <Ruudjah> Is there a webbased view of trunk somewhere?

21:12:36  <Eddi|zuHause> yes

21:12:51  <Eddi|zuHause> vcs.openttd.org

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21:12:55  <confound> wow, going from ukrs to nars is horsepower shock

21:13:12  <Ruudjah> tnx

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21:14:03  <Eddi|zuHause> confound: well, the americans needed to move some crazy amounts of cargo over very long distances

21:14:40  <Eddi|zuHause> confound: using 3 or 4 engines is no rare sight over there

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21:15:11  <confound> that's funny, that's what I was doing with ukrs

21:15:15  <confound> I must have gotten things backward

21:18:31  <supermop> we sometimes have trains over a mile long

21:18:43  <supermop> usually for coal trains

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21:19:21  <Eddi|zuHause> the maximum length of trains in germany is around 700m

21:19:37  <confound> supermop: how many cars does that end up meaning?

21:19:39  <Eddi|zuHause> that's because the signal distance is 1km

21:20:10  <Eddi|zuHause> and behind a signal there must be a certain distance free

21:21:33  <supermop> dont remember how long a modern coal car is here

21:21:55  <supermop> but they are usually operating on very long stretches of single strack

21:22:21  <supermop> and out west trains often wait in passing sidings for hours

21:22:53  <supermop> which is why passenger rail is so slow once you get outside of the new york area

21:23:29  <supermop> but you will often have 3-4 engines at the head, and sometimes another in the middle of the train

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21:31:09  <confound> interesting

21:36:39  <Terkhen> good night

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22:52:14  <__ln__> does libya have cruise missiles?

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23:04:13  <supermop> no, but they likely have surface to surface missiles

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