IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2010-12-24
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00:37:07 <ccfreak2k> Are they notes on a lecture?
00:41:07 <Wolf01> they are more like "developing for dummies"
00:41:40 <Wolf01> as those little manuals sold at 4.99 :P
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01:40:35 <Wolf01> uh really nice behavior: I have a train with mixed wagons, I'm autoreplacing only passengers wagons with a newer and longer version, I activate wagon removal, it removed the wagons of the other type instead of adding less passengers wagons
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06:29:28 <Chris_D> Hi, noob here, weird thing happen to all my trucks/busses they all of a sudden decided to go to the depot and shut down. I didnt tell them to and its not their service time either.
06:29:40 <Chris_D> Why did they do that?
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06:47:20 <planetmaker> Chris_D: I'm sure you somewhere hit accidentially 'send all vehicles to depot'. Probably in the overall vehicle list
06:47:39 <planetmaker> also good morning #openttd
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06:50:18 <Chris_D> I might have done that on closer inspection, he he... thans planetmaker
06:51:32 <Chris_D> one other thing I have been wondering about is those little coloured dots next to the vehicles in the overall vehicle list, I cant find any info on what the colours mena or why the numbers of the vehicles change colour.
06:52:16 <planetmaker> they give you an indication on how profitable the vehicle is
06:52:45 <planetmaker> if you use a recent enough OpenTTD and OpenGFX version, the coloured dots are changed to a bit better symbol
06:52:54 <planetmaker> e.g. try the new OpenTTD 1.1.0-beta1 :-)
06:57:27 <Chris_D> One thing which is odd though, I played a LAN game with two friends, they were on gentoo and ubuntu and I am on Win7, all using the same version but for some reason I could not see any servers they started but they could see my server and join my game. Very weird.
07:01:35 <planetmaker> one or more of you didn't properly configure firewall and router ports
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07:05:03 <Chris_D> Thats what we suspected so we checked the firewalls on the *nixes and they were as should be, I turned off my win7 firewall and still weirdness ensured. We disregareded it as a "Microsoft Moment" it's never happend when i use my Ubuntu lappy.
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07:18:37 <planetmaker> actually if they could see your server, they missed to configure their firewall to allow openttd's port through two-way
07:20:28 <Chris_D> I dont think so since they could see servers on each others respective computer and they could see mine, but I could not see their servers even though I turned of Microsoft firewall.
07:20:46 <planetmaker> they're probably in the same lan
07:21:27 <Chris_D> Yep, we were all on the same net in the same room on the same DHCP router
07:22:40 <planetmaker> or you had internet settings while they used LAN...
07:23:35 <Mazur> It's because Uncle Bill said we wuz no to talk to strangers.
07:24:07 * Mazur picturing the various computers as kids playing.
07:24:08 <Chris_D> on an other topic with in OTTD, how do I enlarge the font size?
07:24:15 <planetmaker> and you did?! That definitely deserves punishment, Mazur
07:24:53 <planetmaker> close down openttd. edit config file (choose a proper font and sizes), restart openttd
07:25:35 <Mazur> Uncle Bill can't touch me, as I do not use his toys.
07:26:31 <Chris_D> planetmaker: thank you! Ive been squinting like mad trying to read the map and statistics legends
07:28:06 * Mazur grew from 11 months to 3 years in Caïro, so never learned to make an issue of such trivial differences.
07:58:22 <bonham> What are some cool newGRFs and/or server mods to try out/
07:58:40 <bonham> just running a server in my basement and soem spice added to the game woudl be awesome
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08:08:31 <IchGuckLive> Merry christmas to all of you
08:09:17 <IchGuckLive> Train 1 wants to go to track C
08:09:46 <IchGuckLive> Train 2and3 to Track A
08:10:13 <IchGuckLive> all tracks are open but no train moves out
08:10:45 <IchGuckLive> Trains at track B and D are coming in
08:11:26 <planetmaker> yeah. bad signaling. Don't mix block and path signals
08:12:29 <IchGuckLive> so i got to make all signals at the Tracks ABCD to block ?
08:13:20 <IchGuckLive> and do i have to make also a new signal to the D1 track block 2way
08:13:21 <planetmaker> your main problem is that you don't seem to understand how entry-, combo- and exit-signals work. They currently block themselves all to red
08:15:25 <IchGuckLive> what shoudt i do first stop all trains then change the signal at thr Track to block ?
08:16:04 <planetmaker> just delete all combo signals
08:16:12 <IchGuckLive> or leave the path and remove the combo signals ß
08:20:42 <IchGuckLive> ok i cleard the miss
08:22:36 <IchGuckLive> can i spomewher get info if stoff is piling up at stations ?
08:23:22 <IchGuckLive> can i somewhere get info if stuff is piling up at stations ?
08:29:13 <Mazur> Behing the name you'll see icons of the type of goods waiting.
08:30:17 <Mazur> Beneath the icons are little lines indicating an amount of that type of product.
08:34:07 <IchGuckLive> oh yea i got to run more trains
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10:12:09 * andythenorth wonders how to further improve ships
10:21:26 <planetmaker> super-sonic ships ;-)
10:21:48 <Xaroth> increase their carrying capacity to the max
10:22:14 <Terkhen> or maybe... rocket submarines :O
10:22:28 <Mortomes|Work> With frigging lasers
10:22:40 <Terkhen> sharks with lasers wins the bid IMO
10:23:12 <planetmaker> icbm launchpad submarines?
10:23:49 <Xaroth> Perpetual Motion submarines.
10:24:19 <Terkhen> that's easy, set the running cost to zero
10:25:43 <Xaroth> make it fueled by passengers
10:25:53 <Xaroth> the more passengers on it, the faster it goes
10:28:02 <planetmaker> I'd now call it 'fueled'. But a nice roman galley where everyone rows...
10:28:56 * andythenorth uses cb47: lasers
10:29:37 <Xaroth> planetmaker:I was more aiming at the fact it would be 'using' passengers
10:29:43 <Xaroth> not 'having passengers to row'.
10:29:54 <Xaroth> as in, you load it up with 20k passengers
10:29:59 <Xaroth> and you arrive with 19k left :P
10:32:01 <planetmaker> that's unfortunately not possible within newgrf. While the galley actually is :-P
10:32:02 <Zuu> Hehe, can NewGRFs discard som cargo or is that a black box not accesable to the vehicles?
10:32:17 <__ln__> sharks with lasers is not entirely realistic!
10:32:42 <planetmaker> hm... mutated sharks with lasers would fit the Marsian landscape ;-)
10:32:49 <Zuu> hmm, what would the lasers be good for?
10:33:15 <Alberth> does water exist there?
10:33:17 <planetmaker> high-bandwidth mobile secure communication
10:34:35 <planetmaker> to the submarines, of course!
10:35:14 <Zuu> or to the HQ reporting every passenger so the HQ can keep track of every passenger movement. :-)
10:52:59 <__ln__> "rain".. is that something related to water that is above 0 °C
10:53:46 <Wolf01> eh... we have 10C now, 3 days ago we had -10C :|
11:11:22 <Wolf01> maybe the first one, but I can't decide
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11:20:08 <Wolf01> :O my house is sinking
11:20:56 <Terkhen> I prefer the second one :)
11:21:28 <andythenorth> Terkhen: for why? (as I might tweak it further)
11:22:33 * andythenorth ponders adding handrails and crap
11:22:42 <andythenorth> seems a bit unneeded though
11:24:27 <Terkhen> the new colour seems more appropiate
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11:32:30 <planetmaker> I can't decide between the two. Both?
11:35:48 <andythenorth> this is only used for loaded state, so doesn't scale badly with number of load sprites
11:36:14 <andythenorth> i.e. doesn't apply that number colours x number cargo graphics
11:36:26 <andythenorth> = number of sprites I need to draw
11:37:45 <andythenorth> I might use different colours for different sizes of ship, to provide more variation between ship models
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11:54:04 <andythenorth> shame I can't use the newgrf debug menu to change the current load of a vehicle
11:59:13 <z-MaTRiX> developer mode can change anything
12:00:37 <z-MaTRiX> though commands must be added to console
12:03:26 * andythenorth is baffled by that
12:04:18 <z-MaTRiX> get/set cargo vehiclenumber cargotype value ?
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12:06:54 <z-MaTRiX> We convinced him with our skillful arguments and supporting evidence.
12:07:39 <andythenorth> how would I find the number of a specific vehicle?
12:08:51 <z-MaTRiX> vehicle lists should have that too in developer mode :(
12:10:50 <z-MaTRiX> btw cheat menu has an option to change industry productions in game
12:18:49 <DorpsGek> LordAro: Yexo was last seen in #openttd 5 days, 9 hours, 18 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Yexo> you can use the "add all vehicles with shared orders to the group" but for that your vehicles need to have shared orders again
12:31:00 <Alberth> already 465539 seconds patience :)
12:48:52 <LordAro> it's got water 'trails' :D
12:49:06 <andythenorth> what about the cargo hatches?
12:49:52 <LordAro> still go with upper - the 'containers' are more clearly defined
12:59:52 <roboboy> its not Christmas Day until I go to sleep
13:05:13 <LordAro> here in the merry land of UTC/GMT, it's not xmas day for another 10 hours, 55 mins :)
13:13:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21616 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Change: do not highlight tile when selecting a vehicle to clone or an order to skip to
13:14:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21617 /trunk/src/tilehighlight_type.h: -Doc: refer to table/autorail.h, not autorail.h
14:14:27 <andythenorth> Belugas: will santa be providing lego?
14:15:22 <Belugas> thign is, his birthday is on the 22th of december, so it's a big gift receivening period for him
14:16:11 <Belugas> this year, he ALREADY received the new city airplane, the police lambhorgini racer. and a few more are coming :)
14:38:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21618 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Fix: Use correct 3 bit mask for directions.
14:48:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21619 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix [FS#4327]: Don't copy direction bits when restarting a rail selection.
14:52:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21620 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp window.cpp): -Codechange: Don't consider direction bits when checking for an active highlight mode.
14:55:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21621 /trunk/src/ (rail_gui.cpp viewport.cpp): -Codechange: Only consider tile highlighting mode bits in tile selection functions.
14:56:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21622 /trunk/src/tilehighlight_type.h: -Doc: Clarify the documentation of highlighting constants somewhat.
15:03:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21623 /trunk/src/terraform_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove _terraform_button_proc and _editor_terraform_button_proc arrays.
15:04:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21624 /trunk/src/terraform_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove many small static functions.
15:05:27 <Belugas> looks like Alberth took some commit-speedy lessons from Rubidium ;)
15:06:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21625 /trunk/src/terraform_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Record last started highlight action, and use it in the callback methods.
15:07:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21626 /trunk/src/terraform_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove more small static functions.
15:08:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21627 /trunk/src/ (11 files): -Codechange: Remove _place_proc global variable.
15:08:48 <Alberth> I still need to learn to skip "svn diff | more" :p
15:09:33 <Alberth> also, it helps if you have some patches 'prepared earlier' :p
15:10:23 <blathijs> Alberth: Using git-svn is the king of quick committing, though
15:10:47 <blathijs> even allows you to re-review your patches later on but before committing, so it beats skipping the svn diff review by far :-)
15:11:28 <Alberth> yeah, I did something similar with "hg import *.patch" once in a hg project :)
15:11:52 <Alberth> 3 commits / second :)
15:25:04 <Belugas> love your cleanup, Alberth, by the way...
15:26:04 <Alberth> it saves milliseconds of compile time :D
15:26:52 <Alberth> for some reason such things always distract me of my new functionality patches :)
15:27:37 <Alberth> but I agree, the code looks much nicer
15:28:01 <Alberth> now if only the same could be said about the tile highlighting code
15:29:03 <Belugas> it's another jungle of global variables (last time i checked anyway)
15:29:52 <Alberth> only 3 variables that decide about one highlighting mode :p
15:31:29 <Alberth> hmm, speaking of global vars, let's use some more of those
15:32:42 * andythenorth can't decide if ship greeble should be yellow or white (cranes and masts)
15:33:42 <andythenorth> mb uses yellow, simon foster used white
15:39:45 * andythenorth worries too much greeble looks bad
15:40:12 <Alberth> depends on the purpose of the vehicle, I guess
15:40:44 <Alberth> for doing work in the waterways much greeble is functional
15:42:27 <Belugas> going Zhome right now
15:42:42 <Belugas> Merry Christmas again to all you little good children
15:57:03 <andythenorth> is everyone travelling / working / last minute shopping ?
15:57:11 <andythenorth> or did we lose them to minecrack :P
15:57:23 <andythenorth> which is better?
15:57:32 <andythenorth> cookies for honesty
15:58:03 <Terkhen> I prefer the second one
15:58:42 <andythenorth> 3rd one is too much greeble and stuff?
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16:32:49 * lugo likes the last one the most
16:32:56 * andythenorth requests 3rd and 4th company colours :P
16:33:25 <andythenorth> lugo: that's the answer I'm hoping for :)
16:35:08 <andythenorth> it's just figuring out what looks good in game is tricky
16:36:46 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I'm between the second and the last one
16:37:12 <andythenorth> Terkhen: if it helps, there will be a 'modern' coaster around 2000
16:37:19 <andythenorth> it will look like the second one (no cranes)
16:37:24 <andythenorth> but with an updated wheel house etc
16:37:41 <andythenorth> I think the last one is winning
16:37:52 <andythenorth> I also request more company colours :P
16:38:08 <andythenorth> it would be very nice to control colour of hull / funnel / cranes / hatches independently
16:38:49 <andythenorth> I can see some purples and some effects cycles that I would never use for ships
16:40:36 <andythenorth> use of cc is already a flag for ships
16:40:44 <andythenorth> so it could be extended?
17:01:33 <DorpsGek> Hirundo: 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936
17:02:29 <Hirundo> andythenorth: ^^ so many recolour sprites would be required for 4cc
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17:13:31 <andythenorth> Hirundo: the big number or the small number :)
17:15:11 <Alberth> you don't have enough diskspace for the big number
17:16:25 <Alberth> andythenorth: the last ship with the pink cranes seems best, perhaps a few less cranes? It seems a bit crowded
17:17:00 <Hirundo> andythenorth: the small(er) one
17:19:54 <andythenorth> could do two cranes, keep the forecastle mast
17:19:59 <andythenorth> but remove the crane
17:24:04 <Alberth> you can easily consider the middle part movable along the whole cargo storage length
17:27:20 <andythenorth> I could consider that :)
17:27:32 <andythenorth> I won't be animating it for loading though ;)
17:30:27 * andythenorth does prefer not too much greeble
17:33:20 <andythenorth> so what, 4cc is out of the question? :D
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17:52:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21628 /trunk/src/ (rail_gui.cpp viewport.cpp): -Codechange: Remove local variables that just point to global _thd.
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18:45:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21629 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:45:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 71 changes by KorneySan
18:45:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 56 changes by SmatZ
18:45:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 9 changes by Gummipalle
18:45:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 61 changes by Hirundo
18:45:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 36 changes by Christopher
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19:09:59 * andythenorth_ ponders capacity for Log Rafts
19:26:57 <andythenorth_> 95t / 210t / 400t ?
19:29:42 <andythenorth_> FISH update for christmas?
19:55:05 <Priski> hmm I have lost intrest in this game :(. Maybe I should see if there is something good on online server front, maybe a new kind of servers?
19:57:04 <Priski> there seemed to be new ECS server on luukland group
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20:09:08 <Eddi|zuHause> better eternally beta than eternally unreleased...
20:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> "Gangster haben 20.000 Glühbirnen entwendet - Die Polizei tappt im dunkeln"
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21:20:14 <Dante123> seems all are afk ? :P
21:22:20 <Dante123> for me the busy family moments are all planned for tomorrow and the day after :D
21:22:41 <Markk> You live in a fucked up country?
21:23:01 <Dante123> donno in what way you see that ?
21:23:18 <Dante123> any country is fucked up in some way i gues
21:23:34 <Markk> Unnormal countries celebrate christmas on the 25th.
21:23:56 <Dante123> well i think im from a pretty normal, european country
21:24:08 <Markk> Netherlands are normal.
21:24:18 <Markk> But why do you celebrate on the 25th then?
21:24:24 <Dante123> its just my planning that kept this evening free :P
21:24:44 <Dante123> i call it erm, ecenomical planning :P
21:24:46 <Markk> Tought that you were from the bloody states or something.
21:25:06 <Dante123> try to get it all in one day, that your done with all the family visits again for the christmas :p
21:25:22 <Dante123> i like family visits, dont get me wrong
21:25:52 <Dante123> but during christmas is always like you MUST and you MUST visit them ALL
21:26:18 <Dante123> and dont think you can cook simple oh no, it has to be exclusive
21:26:28 <Markk> So all is zeer goed then?
21:26:52 <Dante123> so have already been behaving like a idiot in the citchen today to get the desert done for tomorrow :P
21:28:37 <Dante123> pff damn station coding is driving me nuts
21:29:04 <Dante123> the part that i want working is now like 99% working, but there is somewhere still some error :/
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