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00:00:39  <Rubidium> oh... Apple has changed that passage I quoted again...

00:01:06  <Rubidium> although... you still need to ask Apple's written consent

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00:02:43  <Rubidium> see http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua/

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00:03:44  <kamnet> Now all I need to do is to dig into the intricacies of NFO to make my NewGRF station display all pretty-like

00:04:39  <kamnet> And I should ask, since Rubidium is here - I want to use some of the tiles out of OpenGFX. What do I need to do to give proper credit?

00:05:38  <Rubidium> start by reading (and understanding) the license of OpenGFX

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00:07:27  <Rubidium> but at least it means making your NewGRF GPLv2 licensed

00:08:54  <kamnet> Right, I knew that was a given.

00:09:59  <kamnet> inclufing the GPLv2 license along with a copy of the pcx and nfo file.

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00:16:51  <fjb> Good night.

00:16:56  <kamnet> goodnight

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00:30:18  <waterfoul> anyone know the the units on the Income equation is?

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06:13:21  <__ln__> dobroye utro vsyo

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06:30:13  <Rubidium> waterfoul: which parts of the equation?

06:34:39  <planetmaker> good morning

06:34:54  <Rubidium> ehlo

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06:58:06  <Mazur> 220 HELLO Mazur English WetwareLingua ?.??.??; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:56:31 +0200

06:58:44  <Mazur> 220 Mazur Hello Rubidium, pleased to meet you.

06:59:03  <Mazur> 250 Dutch

06:59:07  <Mazur> 250 English

06:59:17  <Mazur> 250 German

06:59:21  <Mazur> 250 French

06:59:51  <planetmaker> woot?

07:00:11  <Mazur> ;-)

07:00:20  <Mazur> Morning, pm/

07:00:29  <planetmaker> moin Mazur

07:00:32  <Rubidium> planetmaker: you don't understand it?

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07:00:45  <planetmaker> it's talking directly smtp

07:00:51  <planetmaker> telnet to it

07:01:18  <planetmaker> or something like that... but I don't talk that when I haven't had enough tea

07:01:22  <planetmaker> ;-)

07:01:23  <Rubidium> planetmaker: he's replying to my EHLO

07:01:31  <Rubidium> as if he's the server

07:01:37  <planetmaker> yes, I realized ... to late :-)

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07:02:01  <Rubidium> QUIT

07:02:06  <planetmaker> :-(

07:02:15  <SirSquidness> you forgot a /

07:02:15  <Rubidium> testing whether it complies :)

07:02:16  <SirSquidness> >.>

07:02:16  <SirSquidness> <.<

07:02:20  <planetmaker> now he has to least :-P

07:02:26  <planetmaker> *leave

07:02:31  <SpComb> let's see, so it took him 13 minutes to look up the protocol spec?

07:02:31  <planetmaker> gah

07:02:32  <Mazur> 221 2.0.0 Mazur  closing connection

07:05:43  <Mazur> Ah, the days...  when we'd telnet to port 25 to test a new sendmail config.

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07:06:50  <Mazur> xyzzy

07:06:55  <planetmaker> :-)

07:06:59  * Rubidium is amazed MS still dares to ship only a telnet server with Windows

07:07:47  * planetmaker is rather annoyed that for all basic networking connectivity one has to first have to consult the i-net for appropriate downloads.

07:08:16  <planetmaker> and me agreeds: shipping a simple ssh / scp shouldn't be really hard

07:11:09  * Mazur is amazed MS still dares to ship anything at all.

07:11:35  <Mazur> But of course, as long as people are happy to pay for (sh)it....

07:11:49  <Rubidium> well... it has become better at some points... it doesn't BSOD anymore when winlogon is killed

07:12:15  <Mazur> They probably just removed the BSOD itself.

07:12:42  <Rubidium> on the other hand... 7 feels a lot slower than XP

07:12:55  <planetmaker> Mazur: it clearly isn't shit. It works. For many people

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07:13:24  <planetmaker> And in business as usual it's not about the best solution but only about the best solution for a given amount of money

07:15:39  <Rubidium> planetmaker: I recko 99% is like the "customer" in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

07:18:42  <planetmaker> hahaha :-)

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07:21:43  <Peping> hello.. May I suggest to somebody to create a summer openTTD server that would be on for next 2 months?

07:21:44  <Peping> :)

07:22:11  <planetmaker> it'd be build in like two days and then would require restart

07:22:15  <planetmaker> and hello

07:22:37  <planetmaker> build as in everything was connected on the map and all company slots taken

07:23:46  <Peping> depends on whether you make it private or public ;)

07:25:56  <planetmaker> why would you go here and request that I make a private servery YOU cannot join?

07:26:05  <Rubidium> what isn't okay with the 200+ servers that already exist?

07:26:07  <planetmaker> or why would I make a server which is private to you and me only?

07:26:38  <planetmaker> especially as we have at least two servers running all the time... :-)

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07:33:20  <Wolf01> hello :O

07:33:36  <planetmaker> hi Wolf01

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07:52:57  <Wolf01> omfg I just found a vb6 module all coded in spaghetti style... only one public function and a lot of gotos

07:55:05  <Rubidium> an Italian that doesn't like spaghetti...

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08:24:54  <peter1138> Wolf01, isn't that how vb6 is done? :p

08:25:23  <Wolf01> I use it only for the error handler in routines :P

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08:45:51  <fjb> Moin

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09:20:26  <planetmaker> peter1138: with railtypes: can I already supply 10 overlay sprites for bridges (making it really future-proof) or would it choke on it? And what's the order of sprites? Like the overlays?

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09:22:53  <peter1138> you can supply them, but they won't be used

09:28:20  <planetmaker> well. That's good enough :-) Thanks

09:28:43  <planetmaker> So it'll be fine, if I just give as bridge sprites the same as the usual ground overlay sprites, yes?

09:30:05  <planetmaker> *someone* really should make a new bridge set :-) - like TTRS 2.0 or so

09:35:14  <planetmaker> hm, no. Order of sprites is different :S

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10:08:26  <Ammler> planetmaker: already claimed your next projects? ;-)

10:08:34  <peter1138> http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/22148/tn_300610cummins-L.jpg

10:08:59  <planetmaker> ;-)

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10:16:37  <planetmaker> Ammler: now that OpenTTD has the srpite alignment tool and that there's NML it's a task which became MUCH easier

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10:19:36  <planetmaker> yes, strike! :-) Snowy tracks on bridges :-)

10:22:10  <planetmaker> I should have tried it before :-)

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10:27:14  <welshdragon> planetmaker: nice feature :P

10:27:35  <planetmaker> I actually do believe so, yes :-)

10:28:52  <peter1138> hm

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10:31:00  <planetmaker> welshdragon: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=46756&p=886974#p886974

10:31:11  <planetmaker> ^ I'm not aware of any other newgrf supplying this feature so far

10:32:33  <Yexo> why are there swedishrails on the bridges above the snowline but not on that bridge below?

10:32:54  <planetmaker> there are SE rails also on the bridge below

10:33:10  <planetmaker> but the underlay by the bridges is quite dark

10:33:33  <planetmaker> I don't supply gravel on bridges, just tracks and sleepers

10:33:38  <planetmaker> that's the colour contrast

10:35:04  <planetmaker> actually it's the SE tracks drawn on top of the default ones... so on a few pixels they will probably still shine through

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10:35:51  <Yexo> there is only snow on the bridge if there is snow on the tile below it

10:36:06  <Yexo> a high bridge spanning a valley can have snow on some parts and no snow on others

10:36:07  <planetmaker> :-O

10:36:20  <planetmaker> :-) interesting...

10:36:28  <planetmaker> I didn't test that yet

10:36:51  <planetmaker> hm... there's no way around that, I guess - except if I disable snow at all on bridges

10:36:55  <planetmaker> which would be worse IMHO

10:37:52  <planetmaker> but of course: when you have high bridges there's a fierce wind and it blows away all snow on it ;-)

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10:40:15  <planetmaker> snow yes/no is currently decided by the tiletype - which of course depends upon the tile height - not the height the bridge is spanning it at

10:40:38  <Yexo> terrain type doesn't make sense for bridges at all

10:40:42  <Yexo> apart from snow/no snow

10:40:56  <planetmaker> well. That's the only thing I test concerning terrain type anyway.

10:41:11  <planetmaker> In all other cases except snow, the usual tracks and underlay are used.

10:41:58  <planetmaker> but terrain type could make a difference for bridges, if you conser pylons

10:42:02  <planetmaker> *consider

10:42:10  <planetmaker> but... that's stretching the limits

10:42:25  <Yexo> that is for bridges, not for the tracks upon the bridge

10:42:37  <planetmaker> yep

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10:55:50  <Eddi|zuHause> my rule is: only provide the variables, let the grf authors figure out how to abuse them ;)

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10:59:05  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: but each variable means processing power, if used. And it makes sense to provide the more useful variables first than providing a bunch of more or less useful ones, only

11:04:03  <Eddi|zuHause> but if the variable is not used, it does not hurt anybody...

11:04:12  <Eddi|zuHause> it just eats marginal amounts of code size

11:04:59  <planetmaker> which can break and which need maintenance.

11:05:06  <planetmaker> +s

11:05:21  <Noldo_> are there regression tests for newgrf features?

11:05:35  <Yexo> no

11:05:40  <Eddi|zuHause> not that i know of

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12:05:32  * andythenorth kind of likes Supermop's suggestion on fuel

12:05:32  <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&start=1580

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12:30:08  <welshdragon> andythenorth: that's a cool idea too

12:30:21  <welshdragon> it makes the game more 'realistic'

12:31:11  <welshdragon> if you forgot to deliver 'fuel' to your depot then the vehicle could just stop with the message saying 'out of fuel'

12:33:08  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the "lower running cost" thing was also once suggested as a use for electricity

12:33:27  <andythenorth> I don't like it if it has severe consequences

12:33:38  <andythenorth> I do like it if it adds a little something :)

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13:02:15  <ccfreak2k> What IS ECS anyway?

13:03:04  <ccfreak2k> And FIRS.

13:03:39  <andythenorth> FIRS is the FIRS Industry Replacement Set

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13:20:30  <Eddi|zuHause> the thunder rolls...

13:23:05  <planetmaker> we had a nice thunderstorm last night...

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13:27:38  <PeterT> hey tdev :)

13:27:46  <PeterT> I see you added tons of features to openttd-python

13:27:53  <PeterT> that's pretty cool :)

13:28:40  <tdev> hey PeterT :)

13:28:48  <tdev> good to see someone likes it ;)

13:29:00  <PeterT> yeah, but the idle announce should be configurable

13:29:07  <PeterT> that might get annoying if players go afk

13:30:17  <Ammler> tdev: did you add the pyottdirc?

13:30:58  <tdev> Ammler: yup, thanks :)

13:31:13  <tdev> will try to integrate that later :)

13:31:34  <Ammler> so you didn't add it :-P

13:32:44  <ccfreak2k> I find it interesting that the Foster MkII Superbus goes screaming through quiet residential neighborhoods at 79 miles per hour.

13:33:08  <Ammler> ccfreak2k: there is a patch for that

13:33:13  <ccfreak2k> (127 KPH)

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13:35:05  <tdev> Ammler: finding time to work on something is currently my biggest problem ;)

13:35:13  <tdev> didnt look too complicated

13:35:53  <Ammler> tdev: with a kind of plugin system and possiblity to restart openttd, it could replace AP+

13:35:56  <tdev> will end up most likely as plugin for the bot

13:36:12  <Ammler> which bot?

13:36:55  <tdev> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=49042

13:37:02  <tdev> 236 views, no post x|

13:38:09  <Rubidium> more views and no extra posts... so posting it here actually made it worse

13:38:11  <Ammler> hmm, but pyottdirc would make the bot obsolete?

13:39:07  <peter1138> tdev, because it's "tldr"

13:39:44  <tdev> Ammler: maybe optional and/or optional

13:40:46  <tdev> peter1138: ;)

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15:32:19  <welshdragon> is there a console command to remove all vehicles from a company?

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15:46:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so...

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15:48:54  <Rolvaag> Hello

15:49:04  <planetmaker> hello Rolvaag

15:49:24  <Rolvaag> I'm quite a beginner in oTTD, and I just wanted to know if the little subsidies offers etc. were worth it (at the beginning and later)

15:49:57  <welshdragon> yes

15:50:00  <planetmaker> no

15:50:02  <planetmaker> :-P

15:50:08  <welshdragon> they help your income

15:50:13  <Rolvaag> (like "build a bus track this town and this town to get a year subsidie")

15:50:18  <Rolvaag> between*

15:50:24  <Rolvaag> Har, so yes or no ? :p

15:50:27  <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: meh, i thought there was...

15:50:44  <planetmaker> Rolvaag: if you anyway planned to build there, then it might be interesting to grab it

15:50:47  <welshdragon> Looks like I'm going to have to do it the long winded way :P

15:51:06  <planetmaker> But usually... money is not much of an issue mostly anyway

15:51:08  <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: you can send all vehicles to depot from the vehicle list

15:51:09  <Mazur> It's peanuts compared to getting up a real money maker, like a coal well or oil mine.

15:51:11  <Rolvaag> no, I was just wondering if everyone was rushing on these offers or not :p

15:51:11  <welshdragon> Rolvaag: yes, as it helps you get the edge over your competitor

15:51:19  <Eddi|zuHause> and then sell all vehicles in each depot

15:51:25  <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, i know :P

15:52:03  <planetmaker> welshdragon: I strongly doubt a subsidy will ever help you get the edge, if you spend the time planning / builing a more profitable route otherwise

15:52:06  <welshdragon> Rolvaag: in an online situation it's better to aim for subsidies

15:52:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose if we had a squirrel interface, you could automate that...

15:52:10  <planetmaker> and that's quite often the case

15:52:17  <Rolvaag> okay, thanks welshdragon

15:52:22  <welshdragon> planetmaker: oh, it does

15:52:22  <Mazur> Hunting down subsidies distracts me from getting my network build in a manageable way.

15:52:26  <planetmaker> Rolvaag: I strongly disagree :-)

15:52:31  <Eddi|zuHause> but someone didn't want that...

15:52:50  <welshdragon> I always go for subsidies to start

15:52:50  <planetmaker> welshdragon: care to play a head2head game against me?

15:52:57  <welshdragon> then build a network afterwards

15:53:05  <welshdragon> planetmaker: when?

15:53:07  <planetmaker> I challange you that I win against you without using any subsidy

15:53:09  <Sacro> openttd \o/

15:53:24  <Mazur> s/challange/challenge/

15:53:52  <welshdragon> planetmaker: challenge accepted... although I'm aware t

15:54:06  <planetmaker> hm, Sunday?

15:54:07  <welshdragon> *that i'm lacking in experience

15:54:13  <welshdragon> can do

15:54:24  <planetmaker> good. European evening hours

15:54:25  <Rolvaag> Looks like I'm some kind of troublemaker :p

15:54:26  <planetmaker> ?

15:54:40  <planetmaker> how long shall the challange last (ingame years)?

15:54:45  <Mazur> s/challange/challenge/

15:54:50  <Mazur> >;-)

15:54:51  <welshdragon> 100 years?

15:55:01  <planetmaker> welshdragon: that's 25 hours real

15:55:17  <welshdragon> hm

15:55:19  <welshdragon> true

15:55:32  * Yexo starts syncing h2h to trunk

15:55:42  <planetmaker> :-) Nice!

15:55:58  <welshdragon> planetmaker: 5 hours real time?

15:56:10  <planetmaker> uh... 5 hours. What about 3?

15:56:25  <planetmaker> Usually it becomes even obvious after 10 ... 15 game years

15:56:27  <welshdragon> ok

15:56:30  <welshdragon> :P

15:56:31  <planetmaker> which is 3 hours ;-)

15:56:35  <welshdragon> yeah

15:56:51  <planetmaker> ok... 19h CEST in #coopetition?

15:56:56  * Sacro will pwn noob asses

15:57:06  <welshdragon> yep

15:57:07  * planetmaker hasn't played for long either ;-)

15:57:12  <Ammler> oh

15:57:24  <Ammler> that sounds interesting :-)

15:57:26  <planetmaker> any other takers are actually welcome :-)

15:57:42  <planetmaker> h2h can be played by more than two people. Anyone else up to the challange?

15:57:48  <ccfreak2k> World recession!

15:58:03  <Sacro> what grfs?

15:58:07  <Ammler> in one hour?

15:58:19  <planetmaker> Ammler: Sunday

15:58:24  <Ammler> ah ok

15:58:27  <Mazur> FIRS, and Swedish?  Then hou can write a nice article about them.

15:58:32  * fjb has already an appointment. :-(

15:58:35  <Ammler> and what is the prize for the winner?

15:58:36  <Sacro> UKRS :P

15:58:50  <planetmaker> I don't really care. But Swedish Rails ;-)

15:58:51  <Mazur> A kiss from me.

15:58:57  <Mazur> :-P

15:58:57  <fjb> A cake from planetmaker.

15:59:06  <planetmaker> ha! I should *win* one!

16:02:33  <planetmaker> Rolvaag: obviously you see from our reaction: opinions and playing style can differ :-)

16:02:36  <Ammler> oh, head-2-head branch is still up2date :-o

16:02:51  <planetmaker> try out yourself what suits you best and what you like more

16:02:59  <planetmaker> Make it possibly depend upon the circumstances

16:03:12  <planetmaker> Ammler: still? Yexo just update(s/d)

16:03:39  <Ammler> well last commit is r19600-something

16:03:55  <Ammler> that is quite recent

16:04:06  <planetmaker> :-)

16:05:18  <planetmaker> Rolvaag: and giving rise to one of the seldom true competition games could IMHO be hardly called "troublemaking" ;-)

16:05:44  <planetmaker> It will be a true challange... I haven't really played competitive for... ages.

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16:07:54  <Rolvaag> I hope you'll have fun, then :p

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16:10:54  <planetmaker> Rolvaag: I'll have in any case :-) Whether I win or not

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16:13:48  <Ammler> heffer: does the fedora package builder have some public available logs?

16:14:30  <heffer> yes. second.

16:15:17  <Ammler> what gcc does Fedora13 use?

16:16:15  <Mazur> 4.4.3 and up

16:16:45  <Mazur> It seems.

16:16:59  <Ammler> and up?

16:17:05  <Mazur> 4.4.4

16:17:25  <Ammler> so no fedora with gcc 4.5 yet?

16:19:18  <Mazur> Dunno.

16:19:54  <Mazur> 12 hasn't got it, yet.

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16:21:04  <welshdragon> sorry, had to go see what my mum wanted

16:21:28  <Mazur> Joentje.

16:21:28  <planetmaker> no worries :-)

16:21:49  <planetmaker> map size... like 256 x 512?

16:21:56  <welshdragon> yeah

16:22:00  <planetmaker> or 128 x 512?

16:22:14  <planetmaker> Then there's more space for others on the h2h map(s) - if someone else dares

16:22:16  <welshdragon> 128 :)

16:22:21  <planetmaker> oki :-)

16:22:27  <welshdragon> hehe

16:22:51  <Mazur> Smaller map is less subsidies, WD.

16:22:55  <planetmaker> any preferred train set?

16:23:09  <welshdragon> 2CC

16:23:16  <planetmaker> vehicles, I say, egrvts and heqs, ships. Ok, 2cctrainset then

16:23:17  <welshdragon> I'd say UKRS

16:23:22  <welshdragon> but that's unfair

16:23:42  <welshdragon> Mazur: i'll get them all then

16:23:53  <Ammler> why is UKRS unfair?

16:24:07  <Rubidium> Ammler: because you're Swiss?

16:24:10  <planetmaker> Ammler: it probably has a secret British code which I don't know ;-)

16:24:19  <Ammler> :-D

16:24:29  <Ammler> then we should use dbset :-P

16:24:34  <planetmaker> :-P

16:24:40  <Mazur> Runs twice as hard for companies for clients in the uk?

16:24:40  <welshdragon> it's because Ammler is from the continent

16:24:40  <planetmaker> nah, Bananas only

16:24:57  <welshdragon> and 2cc set has the most variety of trains

16:25:03  <welshdragon> (from all over europe)

16:25:06  <planetmaker> yup

16:25:15  <Ammler> well, we can load both and people can use the set they like

16:25:56  * Mazur is DUtch but hasn;t used a Dutch engine, yet.

16:26:12  <Ammler> there is also no useable swissset :-)

16:28:58  <Mazur> Mainly because there were engines with better speed and lower running costs.

16:29:37  <Mazur> And still some of my trropic lines were losing money.

16:29:40  <Mazur> :-D

16:30:03  <heffer> Ammler, http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/openttd/1.0.2/1.fc14/data/logs/x86_64/

16:30:13  <heffer> or see http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=178809

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16:32:45  <Ammler> heffer: suse 11.3 uses gcc 4.5 and therefor grfcodec and opengfx fails

16:33:11  <Ammler> well, what I guess, I liked to look on fedora to check

16:34:51  <Ammler> I see, fc14 still uses 4.4

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16:44:29  <welshdragon> what file permissions do I need on a server in order to save a game using AP+?

16:44:47  <welshdragon> /save has permissions 775

16:47:03  <welshdragon> nvm

16:47:10  <welshdragon> fixed

16:47:33  <Rolvaag> Sorry to disturb,

16:47:53  <Rolvaag> what's the best setting for a passenger carriage train ? In each station, "Unload all and wait for any full load" ?

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16:48:30  <Mazur> Depends on ho0w long it'd have to wait.

16:48:55  <Rolvaag> I'd like to try "Load if available" only but I can't chose it

16:49:07  <Mazur> If a village produces 1 passenger per month, it might take a while to load, hoilding up other traffic.

16:49:20  <glx> "Load if available" is "Load"

16:49:34  <Rolvaag> it's a small line between two 1.200 inhabitants town

16:49:40  <Rolvaag> Hah, okay glx. Thanks.

16:49:48  <Mazur> Click the order, and then unclick the load order,

16:50:21  <Rolvaag> "Unload and take cargo" is a wrong setting ?

16:50:48  <planetmaker> Rolvaag: 'unload' happens automatically, if the cargo is accepted

16:51:08  <planetmaker> preferably for passengers just give them the default 'goto XYZ' orders

16:51:11  <planetmaker> and you'll be fine

16:51:17  <Rolvaag> I see. Right, thanks.

16:52:48  <Rolvaag> Yes, it works now.

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17:15:56  <planetmaker> hm, using rail types is so much more glitch - free than sprite replacement concerning tracks :-)

17:16:12  <welshdragon> hehe

17:16:38  <welshdragon> I'm waiting for the day when train sets recognise rail speed limits

17:17:01  <planetmaker> in what way?

17:17:07  <planetmaker> they already do...

17:17:10  <planetmaker> somewhat

17:17:48  <planetmaker> faster paths are preferred, if it could drive faster there. And runningcosts can be speed dependent

17:18:01  <welshdragon> hmm

17:18:10  <welshdragon> I've not experimanted

17:18:36  <welshdragon> is the Nutracks on Bananas fairly recent?

17:18:47  <planetmaker> dunno really

17:18:52  <planetmaker> but not overly old

17:19:10  <welshdragon> heh, I'll grab one of the nightlies later

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17:57:07  <welshdragon> whoah

17:57:18  <welshdragon> so full of delicious Paella

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17:59:02  <Eddi|zuHause> from villariba or villabajo?

17:59:54  * orudge wonders what http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=49073 is all about

18:01:00  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea...

18:02:33  <Eddi|zuHause> http://duschkumpane.org/index.php/yhiw

18:03:10  <Xaroth_> heh

18:03:13  * Xaroth_ downloads

18:04:50  <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: home made

18:05:30  <welshdragon> orudge: he's simply a n00b :P

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18:07:37  <Terkhen> I did not know that commercial was shown in other countries :P

18:14:54  <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: wikipedia said it was developed for the spanish market, and later also shown in several european countries

18:15:12  <Eddi|zuHause> it's fairly well known in germany...

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18:17:27  <Terkhen> yeah, it was very popular back then

18:20:45  <Ammler> orudge: in that case, it would make sense to delete or lock the account, else he might start editing posts

18:21:07  <Terkhen> or try to get banned on purpuse

18:21:26  <Ammler> I think, if someone specially ask for deleting, you should

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18:23:00  <planetmaker> Ammler: of all postings? Doesn't make sense

18:23:05  <planetmaker> Closing the account? Yes.

18:23:50  <Rubidium> I doubt deleting is a good idea... maybe it's his annoyed brother

18:25:11  <planetmaker> deleting is somewhat against the purpose of a forum

18:25:21  <Ammler> of course only the account

18:25:26  <Ammler> not the posts made with the account

18:25:58  <planetmaker> lock then

18:26:05  <Ammler> he really posted his password

18:26:13  <Ammler> (changed it :-)

18:26:21  <planetmaker> :)

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18:33:36  <orudge> we don't delete accounts, or posts

18:33:44  <orudge> we can disable them, but I don't quite see why that guy can't just... not visit

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18:37:59  <Ammler> orudge: why not disable if he asks for, now he annouced his account password

18:40:13  <orudge> well

18:40:17  <orudge> I deactivated his account

18:40:26  <orudge> and somebody edited out his password anyway

18:41:17  <Ammler> me :-)

18:42:07  <Ammler> he, does your software save passwords in plain text :-o

18:43:58  <Ammler> hmm, is it possible to define only a part of a Action 5 Feature?

18:44:32  <Hirundo> only for some features (flags and openttd gui IIRC)

18:44:53  <Hirundo> what do you intend to do?

18:45:00  <Ammler> replace the title font

18:45:24  <Ammler> Action5 Feature 15 Sprite 12 and 13

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18:46:55  <Hirundo> Yes, that's possible

18:48:06  <Hirundo> -1 * 0 05 95 12 + real sprites

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18:52:31  <Ammler> cool, thanks Hirundo

18:53:48  <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: resetengines is the command used to bring back all the trains via a console :P

18:54:11  <Eddi|zuHause> 1) why ask me? and 2) no

18:54:40  * andythenorth is still at work

18:55:24  <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: you were the one to tell me there isn't a command :P

18:56:07  <Eddi|zuHause> that's not what you asked

18:56:29  <welshdragon> it was

18:56:42  <welshdragon> you mis-interpreted it

18:56:58  <welshdragon> or i put it across wrongly

18:56:58  <welshdragon> meh

18:59:40  <Ammler> Hirundo: is that somehow documented and I don't find it?

18:59:56  <Ammler> (except source :-P

19:02:33  <Hirundo> careful reading of action5 spec

19:02:41  <Hirundo> regarding offset

19:02:49  <Rubidium> if http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action5 is the source, then yes... only to be found in the source

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19:32:55  <andythenorth> hi hi

19:41:34  * andythenorth considers FIRS changes

19:41:42  <andythenorth> are supplies a bad idea?

19:42:21  <Sacro> you might scare asians

19:53:23  <Rolvaag> Except tournaments and showing-your-strenght,

19:53:35  <Rolvaag> has multiplayer mode any interest if you are not together with one player in your company ?

19:59:16  <Eddi|zuHause> why wouldn't it?

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20:02:18  <Rolvaag> Well, nevermind :p

20:02:20  <Rolvaag> Second question

20:02:48  <Rolvaag> [18:51] <planetmaker> preferably for passengers just give them the default 'goto XYZ' orders

20:03:09  <Rolvaag> We were talking about trains, is is the same thing with planes ?

20:03:30  <Rolvaag> I just buy a plane and tell it to go at an airport and come back ? (Will it load automatically ?)

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20:17:04  <Eddi|zuHause> how the hell can a journalled filesystem get multiply claimed blocks?

20:17:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought the entire sense of a journal was to make sure the filesystem is in a valid state at any point?

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20:26:01  <Alberth> that's the idea of every file system

20:26:20  <Alberth> journalling is to reduce recovery time iirc

20:27:21  <Alberth> ie no need to scan the whole disk for problems, just roll back to the last safe point

20:28:33  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but apparently it fails...

20:29:31  <Alberth> apparently, it was time to check how good your backups are :p

20:30:36  <Eddi|zuHause> this IS the backup... created a few days ago...

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20:47:47  <Wolf01> 'night

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21:03:33  <frosch123> night

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21:07:12  <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/764/1049new.png :-)

21:12:45  <Eddi|zuHause> what's so interesting about that?

21:14:27  <Ammler> OPEN TTD -> OpenTTD

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21:23:26  <Howitzer> hy guys I`ve got a question

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21:25:08  <Ammler> How to setup stable connection?

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21:25:58  <Howitzer> i`ve recently made a new tycoon map and I want to max the production for all industryes is there a way to set the production to maximum for all the industryes ?

21:26:15  <Ammler> cheat!

21:26:23  <Ammler> (ctrl-alt-c)

21:26:29  <Howitzer> k i`ll try

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21:28:26  <Howitzer> I tryed and it ai`nt working

21:28:32  <Howitzer> :(

21:28:42  <Ammler> what didn't work?

21:29:07  <Howitzer> i don`t want to manualy set the production to 2000 for each industry is there a faster way to do it ?

21:29:36  <Ammler> with a newgrf maybe

21:29:55  <Howitzer> newgr stand for ?

21:30:02  <Howitzer> newgrf*

21:30:29  <Ammler> new graphics replacement files

21:30:38  <Ammler> or something similar :-)

21:30:43  <Howitzer> :)

21:30:47  <Howitzer> ok

21:31:04  <Ammler> something like extensions or addons

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21:33:34  <Howitzer> is there a map that has the production of industryes 2000(maximum production) ?

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21:40:03  <fjb> Who won the cake?

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21:45:35  <planetmaker> fjb: so far no-one

21:45:41  <planetmaker> It's scheduled for Sunday

21:45:53  <Certes> Hi.  My first visit here, so firstly a big thanks to everyone who's contributed to making a wonderful game

21:46:13  <fjb> Oh, I'm having also an appointment on sunday evening. :-(

21:46:41  <Belugas> welcome, Certes.

21:46:53  <planetmaker> hi Certes

21:46:58  <planetmaker> and hi Belugas, too :-)

21:47:06  <planetmaker> and fjb of course :-)

21:47:15  <planetmaker> enough highlights? ;-)

21:47:32  <Certes> Thanks.  A Cargodist question if I may: is there a way to persuade cargo to reroute when services change?

21:47:32  <Belugas> 2u2, friend :)

21:47:49  <Certes> I've set link graph recalculation to 1 day and waited several months but I think what I need is a "recalculate now" function

21:47:55  <fjb> Hi  to everyone still or already awake.

21:48:37  * Belugas is playing guit while waiting for peter1138 to appear

21:50:28  * andythenorth is playing the fool

21:56:22  <Eddi|zuHause> Certes: yeah, cargodist is really bad at reacting to player changes...

21:56:37  <Certes> hi Eddi, thanks for the reply, I'm listening

21:56:44  <Eddi|zuHause> Certes: but if you set the interval too low, the computer might not be able to catch up...

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21:57:07  <Certes> OK, I'll try a few medium values

21:57:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i would leave those settings at default, they may have weird side effects

21:57:20  <Certes> thanks

21:57:48  <Certes> Cargodist is a great idea, it's much more realistic but I realise that it is difficult to do this perfectly

21:58:12  * andythenorth has accidentally grown a city to 25k inhabitants :o

21:58:53  <andythenorth> with only three stations  :O

21:59:00  <andythenorth> bizarre

21:59:41  <Ammler> Certes: real world = perfect ?

22:00:15  <Certes> I wish, Ammler, I wish!  I meant a perfect game, or a perfect simulation of the imperfect real world

22:00:30  <Ammler> ok :-D

22:01:33  <Certes> Thanks for the hints, Eddi.  I've paused the game for a while but it didn't help.  I'll try higher values nearer to the default 16.

22:02:59  <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: might explain better: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/766/1050compare.png

22:04:18  <Ammler> andythenorth: you can grow a city to one million with 3 bus staions

22:04:19  <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: both look kinda weird...

22:04:31  <Ammler> left is default

22:04:43  <Ammler> or trunk or however you call that

22:04:53  <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: cities >1M might need TTRS or other house sets

22:05:12  <Rubidium> Wizzleby: maybe you should mention in Gentoo bug #317911 that the cause is them fetching a broken patch from Debian (IIRC I've mentioned the related Debian bug reports long ago). It's just stupid that it's been open without any movement for so long

22:05:45  <Ammler> and I just made a quick demo how it could look

22:06:05  <Ammler> it would need a artist for the fonts

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22:06:41  <Rubidium> yeah, the right one looks right

22:06:53  <Ammler> :-P

22:07:33  <Ammler> (or did you mean it serious?)

22:07:45  <Rubidium> though I kinda disagree with removing the landscape selectors from the intro menu. Then it'll look really really really boring

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22:08:50  <Eddi|zuHause> i second that

22:09:08  <Rubidium> Ammler: an artist for both fonts: original and ogfx

22:09:09  <Ammler> oh, you speak about the new gui, that is something else

22:09:18  <andythenorth> Should be OpenTTD no?

22:09:37  <Ammler> yes, as it is isn't TTD :-)

22:09:40  <andythenorth> using all caps but making some glyphs larger is weird no?

22:10:02  <andythenorth> glyphs / characters /s

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22:10:32  <Rubidium> yeah, making lowercase glyphs is probably better

22:10:35  <Ammler> andythenorth: you mean chaning pen to lower case?

22:10:58  <Rubidium> although the p and P look quite the same

22:11:03  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that would be better

22:11:04  <andythenorth> Ammler: yes

22:11:12  <Ammler> andythenorth: would you like to make some nice letters?

22:11:46  <Ammler> IMO, the original letters are already small

22:11:54  <Ammler> so it should get bigger

22:12:55  <andythenorth> Ammler: no

22:13:29  <andythenorth> sorry, no font design from me :)

22:13:36  <planetmaker> :-(

22:14:05  <Ammler> not design, just resize :-)

22:14:11  <Eddi|zuHause> the colour looks very monotonous...

22:14:31  <Ammler> well or redesign ^

22:14:34  <Ammler> :-)

22:15:06  <Ammler> I have no idea, how it would look with original

22:15:11  <Certes> Thanks for your help, bfn

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22:16:16  <Ammler> original is even smaller

22:17:00  <Eddi|zuHause> what the hell does "bfn" mean?

22:17:13  <Ammler> maybe simply remove the space?

22:17:27  <Ammler> OPEN TTD -> OPENTTD

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22:29:43  <Wizzleby> Rubidium: will do. Sorry, I was holding the ball on that one last, and I dropped it. I'll pick it up again.

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22:36:42  <planetmaker> [00:07]	<Rubidium>	though I kinda disagree with removing the landscape selectors from the intro menu. Then it'll look really really really boring <-- I agree with that, too

22:37:03  <planetmaker> Though I honestly find it a bit inconsistent.

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22:37:26  <planetmaker> The reason I lay out for myself to keep it, is that they can still serve as quick-start buttons

22:37:52  <Rubidium> with CTRL pressed... that's actually a nice idea!

22:38:26  <Yexo> "new game" can already do that

22:38:44  <planetmaker> I know :-)

22:38:46  <Yexo> but it might save one click if you want to try a few differnt climates very quickly

22:39:00  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but ctrl+landscape is one click less than landscape,ctrl+new game

22:39:06  <planetmaker> For testing I use this quick start A LOT

22:41:27  <Yexo> if I want to test starting a newgame I start with the -g option

22:41:54  <planetmaker> well. E.g. if trying newgrfs

22:42:17  <Yexo> newgame / load game via the ingame console

22:42:29  <planetmaker> If I have a specific game...

22:42:39  <planetmaker> Yexo: but not wich changed newgrf settings

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22:42:47  <planetmaker> they're not stored when modified ingame

22:42:52  <Yexo> true

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22:59:11  <Wizzleby> Rubidium: I imported the debian patch that fixes the other debian patch, and pushed it as a revbump to gamerlay. The disappearing mouse cursor seems to be gone after that. I'll document it on the bug, and let the games team know (and report it on that bug)

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23:08:52  <Rubidium> Wizzleby: lovely

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23:34:47  * andythenorth is surprised by the strength of feeling about the name 'Gas Station' :P

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23:39:32  <Chris[A]> I'm trying to figure out why 'Goods' arn't being unload in towns (I checked the wiki and it doesn't tell me enought to asertaine why)

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23:40:40  <kamnet> are you playing a game or developing something?

23:40:51  <Pikel> game

23:40:57  <kamnet> what sets are loaded?

23:41:03  <Yexo> a "town" doesn't accept anything, the houses inside a town accept certain cargos

23:41:19  <Yexo> (nearly) all houses accept passengers and mail, but only some bigger buildings accept goods

23:41:35  <Pikel> ahh ok, that explains it

23:41:43  <Yexo> in order for your station to accept goods in needs to be near enough big buildings that accept goods

23:41:58  <Yexo> it needs 8/8 acceptance, with the query land tool you can see how much each tile accept

23:42:44  <kamnet> or do it my lazy way, open up the truck good station tools and swing it around a bit, watching to see if it changes from accepting mail to accepting mail and goods ;-)

23:44:08  <planetmaker> ^ I suppose that's the usual way

23:44:20  <kamnet> I know, I'm a bad player.

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23:44:42  <planetmaker> ?

23:44:59  <kamnet> I suppose the proper way is to use the info tool

23:45:05  <planetmaker> why would you be that if you use the convenient way to do that?

23:45:55  <kamnet> I actually miss that information from the old TTD (maybe w/ TTDPatch? I can't remember).  It used to be that when you used the station tools that it would tell you there on the spot the acceptance rate

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