IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2010-05-13
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01:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> why is it, when i have X+10 MB free, and i copy a file of size X to the drive, i get "not enough space" error?
01:43:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (real MB, not drivemaker's MB)
01:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but i once learned X+10 > X
01:52:50 <glx> maybe the difference between file size, and file "real" size (the space it really uses on the disk)
01:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> but shouldn't that be in the order of one cluster size?
01:54:00 <glx> unless those 10MB is the sum of all files wasted space
01:54:27 <Eddi|zuHause> why would df report that?
01:54:48 <glx> dunno I just send ideas as they come :)
01:55:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the most probable cause i can think of is that some space is reserved for root
01:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but i forgot where to check that
02:01:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... "Reserved block count: 0"
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02:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand it... when i do "cat /dev/zero > test.xxx" it stops at 64MB, and when i start other such files, it makes additional 4-10MB each before stopping
02:09:42 <Eddi|zuHause> JFBelugas: do people at your place have holiday tomorrow?
02:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it's one of the most important christian holidays... i believe pretty much everywhere in europe...
02:13:47 <Eddi|zuHause> of course over here it's also "men's day", meaning a lot of drinking :p
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05:29:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19805 /trunk/config.lib: -Codechange: disable warnings about unused but set variables when building with asserts disabled
05:34:34 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19806 /trunk/src/saveload/depot_sl.cpp: -Codechange: silence one warning
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06:29:29 <planetmaker> SmatZ seems to be sleepless ;-)
06:29:38 <planetmaker> or became a really early bird ;-)
06:29:43 <planetmaker> good morning folks
06:35:31 <Mazur> "I once had a girl, or should I say, she once had me."
06:36:27 <planetmaker> "and when looked around I noticed there wasn't a chair"
06:37:12 <planetmaker> any case it's nice Norwegian wood ;-)
06:41:04 <planetmaker> damn you. I now have to sing this song over and over.
06:41:26 <Mazur> Isn't it good, Norwegian wood?
06:42:21 <Mazur> I know the feeling though, I saw a cartoon featuring "Moonlight Bay", couldn't get rid of it for a whole fscking week.
06:42:42 <Mazur> And hte lyrics in my head kept getting worse.
06:46:11 <Mazur> I want to live on one of those.
06:46:35 <planetmaker> completely different topic: does it make sense to combine game creation from height map and from random map into one window?
06:47:01 <planetmaker> Mazur: maybe not live, but I wouldn't mind to do a world tour on one of those :-)
06:47:16 <planetmaker> or at least a summer sail for a few weeks
06:47:31 <planetmaker> like up the Norwegian coast ;-)
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06:52:50 <Mazur> From Spitzbergen coast hopping to Jo'burg, and then across and up North again, or continent circling and now and again crossing an ocean.
06:53:06 <planetmaker> sound quite alrigt
06:54:19 <Mazur> Though we might skip Somalia, I'm thinking.
06:54:58 * Mazur saw the South Park episode where Cartman goes there to become a pirate.
06:55:05 <planetmaker> :-) Somalia might be bad
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08:24:44 <SmatZ> andythenorth: it doesn't seem to work at all
08:24:52 <SmatZ> pressing the "GO" button does nothing
08:26:40 <SmatZ> hmm works in chromium, not in FF
08:27:22 <SmatZ> it doesn't apply to openttd.org much, the webpage is centered
08:27:57 <Rubidium> and we're not actively asking for donations at the moment
08:28:17 * Rubidium can't even see the whole 90% area
08:29:18 <SmatZ> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; cs-CZ; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100419 Gentoo Firefox/3.6.3
08:30:24 <SmatZ> ok, works when I disable AdBlock
08:31:09 * andythenorth wonders if it's a useful indicator of screen resolution, or the actual browser window size
08:32:56 * planetmaker sees something between 80% and 70%
08:33:07 <planetmaker> limited by screen height
08:33:12 <Rubidium> andythenorth: I know several people where screen resolution is quite different to the window size
08:33:54 <planetmaker> Rubidium: according to that page it's the browser window size. Not the screen size
08:33:58 <andythenorth> wondered if google are measuring browser size. but think they'd need js to do that accurately
08:34:05 <planetmaker> And yes, I'm one of those people you mention
08:34:09 <Mazur> It's an indicator of generally used windowproportoions.
08:34:12 <andythenorth> so any non-js browsers will be left out.
08:34:22 <andythenorth> but I guess google are better at stats than me :o
08:36:05 <Rubidium> you've got lies, damn lies and statistics
08:41:21 <Mazur> Most people seem to get their understanding of statistics presentation from "How to lie with statistics.", anyway.
08:42:32 <planetmaker> but even if you (think you) know what you do, it has quite some pitfalls.
08:42:32 <Mazur> "Only, they don't get the point of hte book.
08:43:48 <Mazur> At every step of the way from data-gathering to presentation.
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08:46:09 <andythenorth> 73% of people misunderstand statistics
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08:46:49 <__ln__> andythenorth: there's a 24,3% chance you are mistaken.
08:50:05 <Mazur> Wat weet je niet, Maarten?
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08:56:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19807 /trunk/src/ (main_gui.cpp viewport_func.h viewport_type.h): -Codechange: instead of having an unnamed enum and passing it as an int, name the enum and pass that
09:00:07 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19808 /trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp: -Codechange: NetworkCalculateLag returned an uint, so keep it that way
09:04:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19809 /trunk/src/network/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make some unnamed network related enums/defines static const variables
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09:11:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19810 /trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf/yapf_costcache.hpp: -Fix: [YAPF] Improperly formatted (global) constant
09:13:04 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19811 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Codechange: make the last bits from table/strings.h use static consts too instead of an unnamed enum
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09:44:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19812 /trunk/src/ (52 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: give some unnamed enums a name or, in case they consisted of unrelated values use static const (u)int
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10:01:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19813 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix (r19807): initialising viewports kinda failed
10:14:41 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19814 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 7 dirs): -Codechange: give some more unnamed enums a name, in case they consisted of unrelated values use static const (u)int
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11:07:18 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19815 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp pathfinder/npf/aystar.cpp): -Cleanup: remove two unused variables
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11:19:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19816 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: use static const uint for the unnamed 'tile consts' enum as well
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12:43:08 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19817 /trunk/src/ (disaster_cmd.cpp gfx.cpp rail_cmd.cpp viewport.cpp): -Fix: MSVC compile warnings
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13:39:04 <andythenorth> yellow buttons sucked in my layout, but that's not what is being coded right now :)
13:39:15 <planetmaker> I think the buttons are sorted :-)
13:39:49 <planetmaker> it's all the same colour, but it works smoothly
13:40:18 <planetmaker> and yes, that there is the reduced version. For easy trunk integration :-)
13:43:07 <planetmaker> I currently have fun with integrating the height map into the view.
13:43:16 <planetmaker> And this time it's not an optical problem ;-)
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13:49:37 * planetmaker ponders how a call of ShowSaveLoadDialogue could cause something like Message: Assertion failed at line 806 of /Users/ingo/ottd/gui/src/window_gui.h: nwid != NULL
13:50:46 <planetmaker> hm... no... another thing is that
13:51:24 <Rubidium> non-existing widget?
13:53:01 <planetmaker> that's my guess, too. Though I haven't found any non-existing one so far. Which by definition is difficult ;-)
13:53:11 <planetmaker> wrong widget type... maybe.
13:53:22 <planetmaker> I added yet another NWID_SELECTION ;-)
13:53:24 <Alberth> if the widget does not exist, you get NULL
13:54:07 <planetmaker> and if modes get switched between GNLW_GENERATE and GNLW_HIGHTMAP the displayed widgets change
13:54:17 <Alberth> if you ask for a widget-class X at position y, and a widget ptr at y exists, but it is not a (subclass of) X, you get an assert
13:55:08 <planetmaker> that sounds then likely to be the case
13:55:37 <planetmaker> Maybe I just should keep all height map widgets present, but disabled...
13:55:37 <Alberth> the idea is that you as author know what widget class to expect at each index :)
13:55:52 <planetmaker> and not necessarily wors
13:56:08 <Alberth> it is ok to have NULL values in the array
13:56:54 <planetmaker> yeah, but no to access them ;-)
13:57:48 <planetmaker> what's the general feel about integrating the heightmap into the new game dialogue?
13:59:46 <planetmaker> obviously not quite functional
14:01:08 <Alberth> I have not yet formed an opinion on what you are doing
14:01:29 <Alberth> (despite hi-jacking my thread :) )
14:02:42 <planetmaker> he, I don't mean to hijack your thread. Actually I even started my own ;-)
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14:03:53 <planetmaker> besides, I think that the re-design of the NewGRF GUI can nearly be independent of what I try to achieve here.
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14:04:12 <planetmaker> Once done, it might later be moderately easily be moved to the tab version
14:05:37 <Ammler> planetmaker: something strange on your tab gui
14:05:58 <Ammler> the tab buttons should be on the same level as the boarder
14:06:19 <planetmaker> but I hope you don't mind this "hijack" of the GUI topic :-) (though I'd object to the word 'hijack' ;-) - I rather picked it up, too :-) )
14:08:47 <Ammler> Alberth: don't you like the proposal of andy?
14:09:02 <Ammler> IMO, that isn't OT in your thread
14:11:05 <Ammler> but it is newgrf gui too :-)
14:11:41 <Alberth> yes, that's how it got in that thread
14:11:53 <Ammler> don't you think, those should be identical?
14:13:10 <andythenorth> I started out with newgrf gui, then that led to thinking about overall 'flow' of game setup :)
14:13:32 <Alberth> Eventually, it would be good I think. However, all setup windows are taken/modified, so I have yet to see what the result is, and/or whether it is feasible
14:14:42 <peter1138> Reconfig done. Please re-execute make.
14:14:48 <peter1138> shouldn't it then... quit?
14:15:09 <Alberth> you shoul type 'make reconfigure ; make' :)
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16:01:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19818 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3784](r16004): kicking clients by IP didn't work
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17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19819 /trunk/src/lang/ (12 files): (log message trimmed)
17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: croatian - 17 changes by VoyagerOne
17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: esperanto - 1 changes by kristjan
17:45:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 13 changes by jpx_
17:45:59 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: french - 23 changes by glx
17:45:59 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: hungarian - 22 changes by IPG
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18:49:57 <Eoin> We did not find any results for: xn-- 12-4ha1c8wbabbbafl755fnsav7fja8536leza78d xn--idaa750vgqa. Please try a new query above.
18:51:24 <__ln__> Eoin: you are using the wrong character set then.
18:52:41 <__ln__> and because Eoin's link is about two times longer, i'm assuming he sees my utf-8 link as iso-8859-x.
18:53:38 <Eoin> how do you change mIRC encoding
18:54:55 <Eoin> changed it to display and encode
18:55:01 <glx> change to "display and encode" yes
18:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> konversation horribly fails on that url...
19:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ... both of them...
19:00:45 <andythenorth> what to do what to do....
19:04:14 <Eoin> what else can i do with utf-8
19:08:55 <Rubidium> ⢇⡸⢸⠢⡇⡇⢎⡁⢎⡱⢸⡱⢸⣭⠀⢸⢜⢸⢸⣀⢸⣀⢸⣭⢸⡱⠀⢰⠭⡆⣫⠰⣉⢸⢸⠀⢰⠭⡆⡯⡆⢹⠁⠀⢐⠰⡁
19:08:58 <Zuu> If you make enough of them, then you can maybe save the euro. :-p
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19:18:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you ripped that off frosch123's signature
19:18:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, I did
19:18:53 <Rubidium> does ㏑ trigger you know whom's highlight thingy?
19:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i have my doubts ;)
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19:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: ooold...
19:20:59 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: your face is old
19:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, indeed i look older than i am.
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19:48:43 <OwenS> glx: Hmm, that IDN doesn't seem to have any dots in it when expanded to Punycode? :s
19:49:02 <OwenS> OOh, it does, i'm blind :p
19:49:11 <OwenS> The xn-- in the middle should have been a great big clue :p
19:49:48 <OwenS> (Also, apparently ".xn--p1ai" is not in Chromium's safe for IDN registry :P)
19:51:00 <Ammler> he, didn't know, there are already top level domains with it
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20:02:42 <OwenS> Ammler: Only a couple of weeks old
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20:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm having a bad feeling about the health of my computer...
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20:09:19 <Eddi|zuHause> because it's been degrading ever since i got it, and i'm starting to loose the race...
20:09:37 <Rubidium> what? The computer's degrading faster than you're degrading?
20:09:47 <Rubidium> isn't that somehow a good sign?
20:10:09 <nighthawk_c_m> I agree with Rubidium.
20:10:39 <nighthawk_c_m> A good sign for you, a bad one for your wallet.
20:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's old, but not as old as i'd like it to be
20:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause> most other computers i had were unusably outdated by the time they broke
20:11:39 <nighthawk_c_m> define old ina a timescale of years
20:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> athlon xp 3000+ old
20:12:15 <Eddi|zuHause> single core, 32 bit
20:12:16 <nighthawk_c_m> dual or single core?
20:12:30 <nighthawk_c_m> ever cleaned the fans and heatpipes off the dust?
20:13:51 <nighthawk_c_m> Hmm.. well - the more recenta pc is the faster it will die ....
20:14:04 <nighthawk_c_m> The times hardware lastet really long are long gone - sadly
20:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i could never isolate the problem, i could only determine that downclocking helps
20:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm now at the point where i can't downclock anymore
20:15:01 <nighthawk_c_m> Hmmm.. well maybe a new CPU is enough, could be that your old cpu just slowly dies - any clue on its temperature?
20:15:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen it go beyond 70°C
20:16:21 <nighthawk_c_m> And under load? Oh well 70 is like still ok - thats pretty normal unless you use a extremly expensiv fan or water cooling
20:16:33 <Rubidium> heat problems... too much cooling paste?
20:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's a heat problem, it's likely not the CPU
20:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the fan was not the cheapest, the rest of the components neither, as far as i can determine
20:17:54 <nighthawk_c_m> I'd say try to get the same CPU type, or a type that fits your slot, something not overly expensive
20:18:12 <nighthawk_c_m> If the rest still works exchanging the CPU is the cheapest way.
20:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i got it fairly cheap off ebay back then, i'd say is was custom built and used for about a year... was definitely worth its money
20:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> nighthawk_c_m: but if it doesn't i wasted valuable money on a useless CPU
20:19:36 <nighthawk_c_m> Thats why I said a cheap cpu - or you solve the problem by a completely new PC
20:19:45 <nighthawk_c_m> by buing a completely new PC
20:20:52 <__ln__> nighthawk_c_m: how many dualcore athlon xps were there?
20:21:24 * andythenorth is braindead tired and finds drawing some ship holds is suitable mindless
20:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause> nighthawk_c_m: yes, but my current budget doesn't have >500€ spare
20:21:30 <nighthawk_c_m> I am just astonished that downgrading the CPU helps you, that pretty much means that the CPU seems to be damaged, or decaying - and __ln__ I have no idea
20:23:27 <__ln__> it can be hard to find a axp 3000+ replacement, especially if it's socket a.
20:23:35 <nighthawk_c_m> Wow, that would be a expensive CPU - why did you ask me then __ln__? I only deal with hardware when I decide i have money for a upgrade or to assemble myself a new machine.
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20:37:32 <nighthawk_c_m> Is there a way to draw a straight line in GIMP?
20:38:01 <andythenorth> pencil? 1 pixel at a time....probably not a helpful answer :P
20:38:02 <__ln__> Press shift or ctrl or something.
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20:38:52 <nighthawk_c_m> Shift does the job, many thanks
20:39:03 <Zuu> One of them make the line straight, and the other make it go in fixed directions.
20:39:28 <Zuu> Holding ctrl while moving stuff, make you move in just one direction.
20:46:16 <Zuu> I find their hotkeys for the tools a bit strange. Not even on qwerty which you would think they have designed the hotkeys for, the most commonly used tools are on a single hand.
20:46:39 <Zuu> When I say common, I mean things like the picker and the pen.
20:49:11 <Zuu> IMHO a program like the gimp, where you would extensively use one hand for the pen/mouse/trackball/pad, you would expect them to workout hotkeys where you do not need to move your other hand between the two sides of the keyboard.
20:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it's open source, go fix it ;)
20:50:29 <Zuu> he, I guess they even have configurable hotkeys, just that I'm to lazy to go and figure out a good setup.
20:50:44 <glx> everything is configurable IIRC
20:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> ... but i was talking about the default configuration
20:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> or preset profiles, or something
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20:58:54 <andythenorth> is the paint bucket 'g'?
20:59:03 <andythenorth> and the picker 'i'
21:00:29 <Zuu> My gimp says that the picker is 'o' and the bucket is shift+b
21:05:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... NASA is using BOFH excuses to explain Voyager 2 problems... "it must be cosmic rays" :p
21:06:20 <__ln__> Is the Voyager thing reported by some reliable source?
21:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "Wissenschaftler Ed Stone vom California Institute of Technology in Pasadena glaubt [...], das Problem habe wohl mit dem Speicher der Sonde zu tun. Kosmische Partikel könnten dazu führen, dass sich eines der Bits verändere oder ganz ausfalle."
21:09:48 <__ln__> Did it have power all these years?
21:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause> ... apparently...
21:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know how these early probes are constructed
21:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it has some methods of recharging/energy generation onboard?
21:15:51 <andythenorth> nuclear power source
21:16:24 <__ln__> yes, i think it has some evil nucular battery with nasty electrons
21:16:41 <SmatZ> hmmm Mrs.Panpaporn Wongworkakul offers me 30% of $ 19,500,000.00 from some bank transfer
21:24:02 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: go for it ;)
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21:29:32 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: oeh, you get those too? You got to love those :)
21:29:58 <nighthawk_c_m> The Voyager Series has nuclear batteries, and they last longer then ectually calculated/exspected, they announced that around 2000 I think because the Voyagers are still transmitting
21:29:58 <TrueBrain> I always immediatly reply
21:30:30 <nighthawk_c_m> Hehe, I always recieve mails from my African lawyer
21:30:42 <nighthawk_c_m> Who found someone with a similar alst anme :-P
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21:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> english only. :p
21:32:15 <nighthawk_c_m> name - typing and watching TV at the same time leads to interesting typos
21:36:30 <nighthawk_c_m> Town growth mechanisms are weird - it has space, 5 well connected stations - but the population actually decreases over time a bit.
21:36:52 <nighthawk_c_m> Whonder how long it takes untill it rises again.
21:37:35 <Eddi|zuHause> nighthawk_c_m: cities which are exceptionally huge grow slower than they decay
21:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause> especially if some roads are blocked
21:37:58 <nighthawk_c_m> Around 700 inhabitants ?
21:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... in that case, population for houses in construction is not included
21:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so if a house is replaced by a potentially bigger house, the population decreases first
21:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have only a handful of houses, this effect can be fairly significant, but it evens out over larger cities
21:42:00 <Eddi|zuHause> population can vary significantly between house sets, so you can have weird effects when mixing them
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21:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's funny that the "oops" line triggered the flood ban :p
21:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> as it was the fifth :p
21:46:34 <nighthawk_c_m> Interesting address at the end - and yes, the ooops got him killed - poor guy :-)
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21:47:23 <Eddi|zuHause> serves him right for not being identified with the bot :p
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21:49:30 <SmatZ_> that is the longest name of official political party we have
21:49:58 <planetmaker> :-D those who must not be named? ;-)
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21:50:30 <SmatZ_> good evening Mr. ludde
21:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and they have to fit that on the voting sheet? :p
21:50:49 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ_: wrong ludde
21:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, there are at least two luddes in sweden...
21:52:08 <SmatZ> the leader of that party isn't really "mentally healthy", as you can see from his webpage :-p
21:52:46 <SmatZ> I am looking for the voting sheet in A3 format :)
21:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> since when is that a requirement for being politician?
21:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> we do have sheets that size for some elections
21:54:25 <Eddi|zuHause> although that usually means they just use a larger font
21:55:43 <SmatZ> since only ~60%-70% of people really vote
21:56:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think they actually produce that many voting sheets
21:56:42 <planetmaker> I'd bet they don't make sheets for 100% either :-)
21:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> they probably take the last number, and calculate for a margin of error
21:57:01 <SmatZ> all people get voting sheets in mail
21:57:27 <planetmaker> we only get a small letter which will allow us to order it
21:57:32 <Eddi|zuHause> over here they only send voting notifications
21:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the actual sheets you get at the voting booth
21:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause> at least you don't have to register for voting first, like in the USA, where no general registers exist
21:58:41 <planetmaker> but then my bet is that the paper wasted on ballot sheets is less than wasted on stupid party advertizements
21:59:41 <SmatZ> driving through city makes me crazy
21:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause> ... advertisements are a major foundation of our current economy system, why shouldn't they be in the political system?
22:00:12 <SmatZ> I saw 6 big boards with politics at once today
22:00:24 <SmatZ> each of them was saying bad words about the others
22:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i don't understand why they have to put up posters of the same guy at every lamp post in the city...
22:01:04 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: the point is: it really works. psychologically.
22:01:18 <__ln__> maybe it's time for the city to buy a second lamp post
22:01:33 <planetmaker> what you see often is familiar to you. And what you're familiar with cannot be as bas as something / someone you don#t know and haven't seen before
22:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause> saying bad things about the others in advertisments is illegal in germany
22:02:05 <planetmaker> for everything else you need to really make a rational choice - which is only possible in theory, but not practically
22:02:14 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but what is bad?
22:02:39 <Rubidium> is saying party X wants to increase taxes by 500% bad?
22:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: basically it results in not saying anything at all about other brands, if they do "comparisons" they always compare with "a generic product"
22:03:19 <__ln__> Was it Voyager I that is to be V'ger and retrieved by capt S?
22:03:37 <Rubidium> ah, Duracell being X times better than ordinary (1920) batteries
22:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i think it was voyager 6?
22:04:07 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: you may actually do comparitive ads in Germany
22:04:08 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: there were so many?
22:04:14 <planetmaker> But you must not lie in them
22:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but it's very restrictive
22:05:13 <planetmaker> but it's perfectly alright to say "blubber lasts longer than blabla" - if you can prove it
22:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: to the point that it's hardly ever done
22:05:37 <planetmaker> it's only allowed for 5? 10? years or so
22:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i remember it being changed fairly recently
22:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i just stopped watching commercials since then ;)
22:07:45 * planetmaker has not TV for ~5 years
22:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i watch fairly much tv, but the mute key and timeshift are great inventions ;)
22:09:20 <planetmaker> very much so, yes
22:09:42 * planetmaker makes external backups of the HDDs of certain people from time to time ;-)
22:10:12 <SmatZ> "Jesus is our Lord. Let us guide by the Holy Spirit and let Jesus be our Lord, www.jezisjepan.cz"
22:10:30 <SmatZ> ^^^ translated second longest party name
22:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: and do they get more than 500 votes?
22:11:47 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: actually, that first party got over 1% in last two elections
22:11:56 <SmatZ> the latter party is new
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22:16:46 <planetmaker> sounds quite a lot for such party name :-P
22:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause> do transfer stations in trunk get a cargo rating? if yes, when and why was this changed?
22:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. stations which get cargo only via "transfer" or "unload all" options, but not via nearby industries
22:20:31 <SmatZ> I think they always got
22:22:02 <SmatZ> (if I remember correctly, even in TTD - it dodn't have the "Transfer" order)
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22:34:10 <SmatZ> now that leader of cibulka.net propagates sideric pendulum is the only trustworthy source of information...
22:36:57 <SmatZ> and wants to replace police by psychotronics
22:37:04 <SmatZ> I didn't know he became really mad
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23:38:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <SmatZ> I think they always got <- i am very certain that somewhere inbetween these cargos did not get rating
23:39:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that was maybe a year ago
23:39:34 <Eddi|zuHause> around the time of cargodest
23:58:05 <SmatZ> maybe it was because of cargodest
23:58:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that cargodest actually changed that part...
23:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause> at least it was described to me as a trunk feature back then
23:59:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't even notice it before it was pointed out
23:59:20 <SmatZ> at least in 0.4.8, cargo waiting for "Transfer" gets rating
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