IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2010-03-02
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00:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i dislike that...
00:00:46 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, local authorities should disallow clearing trees if the rating is too low
00:01:06 <zachanima> well I am just talking about clearing houses now
00:01:24 <zachanima> and planting trees/bribing to that end
00:03:27 <zachanima> in short, I just wanted to know whether I ought to make a bit of space for the stations in the scenario, or let that be handled at playtime
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00:09:34 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause needs a bouncer
00:09:47 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: Do you want one? You can get a free one at rdlBNC.com
00:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a connection that is not immediately congested by one single download...
00:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> also, that was just the regular 24h disconnect, i'm not sure why i'd need a bouncer for that...
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00:38:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19300 /branches/1.0/ (8 files in 4 dirs):
00:38:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk:
00:38:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Return the TTD airport type in station var 0xF1 (r19299)
00:38:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Segfault when station vars 0xF2/0xF3 is accessed when there is no truck/bus stop (r19298)
00:38:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Some methods of AIAbstractList left invalid iterators [FS#3566] (r19293)
00:38:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: [YAPP] If reversing at path signals was disabled, a train would not reverse when hitting the back of an one-way signal (r19286)
00:38:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Update: Intro game
00:39:03 * PeterT goes to the forums, and is glad it isn't 8:00 PM
00:39:47 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of which, when is the switch to summer time again?
00:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> which of the last three is that?
00:40:34 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: TZ="CET-1CEST,M3.5.0,M10.5.0/3 <- that says when
00:42:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i can't read that...
00:42:02 <glx> last weekend of march IIRC
00:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i once though it should be the first weekend in spring (after 21st march) and the first weekend in fall (after 23rd september)
00:44:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but i think that is not entirely accurate
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00:45:22 <Rubidium> definitely, cause it's late october (at least, that's what I can remember)
00:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's different in america
00:46:32 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, every year
00:46:44 <Rubidium> except in like Arizona or so
00:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, except in one native territory within arizona
00:47:11 <__ln__> just think about the effect that daylight saving time has on the amount of sunlight trees and other plants get in the US.
00:47:26 <Eddi|zuHause> except in one other native territory within that native territorry
00:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: yeah, we could totally fight global warming if we had one hour less sunshine during the summer!
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02:25:07 <ccfreak2k> _ZZN28CYapfSegmentCostCacheGlobalTI16CYapfRail_TypesTI21CYapfAnySafeTileRail113CFollowTrackTIL13TransportType0ELb1ELb1EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfRailNodeTI20CYapfNodeKeyTrackDirELi12ELi16EE32CYapfDestinationAnySafeTileRailT27CYapfFollowAnySafeTileRailTEE16stGetGlobalCacheEvE24last_rail_change_counter
02:25:19 <ccfreak2k> That is one hell of a function name.
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03:31:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r19301 /trunk/src/pathfinder/follow_track.hpp: -Feature: [YAPF] Consider the railtype imposed speed limit for pathfinding.
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04:44:12 <nicfer> hmmm, will be possible with new rail types function to create a hybrid track system?
04:44:44 <nicfer> that means for example, monorail and normal railroad in the same track
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05:43:59 <Lestat> hay alguien que hable espaol?
05:49:21 <roboboy> is it safe for me to delete the Compat*.nut files in the ai dir if I do not want to run an AI?
05:55:08 <roboboy> im trying to squeze a copy of openttd onto a floppy
06:43:58 <awox> I was wondering if anyone here knew of any easily obtained off-line documentation for OpenTTD? I mean, apart from scraping the wiki is there anything else out there I could use for reference (railway stuff especially?)? :)
06:44:13 <awox> Loving the hell out of OpenTTD, but no internets at home to hit the wiki up :D
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07:34:31 * roboboy wonders if he can get a generic TRIDENT driver for DOS
07:38:32 <planetmaker> awox: Probably your best bet for offline documentation is indeed to wget the wiki, making it available for offline use.
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07:52:00 * roboboy sraps the idea of looking for graphics card drivers
07:52:17 <roboboy> I got OpenTTD to run under DOS 5
07:54:49 <Rubidium> awox: the problem with our wiki is that it's kinda (mis)used by those 32bpp zoom graphics people, i.e. the wiki is huge
07:55:56 <awox> wget and httrack dont convert links properly for mediawiki, or I am doing it wrong :(
07:56:48 <Rubidium> basically the wiki wouldn't fit on a CD
07:57:41 <awox> I guess I'll just save the relevant pages each separately and mirror it when I can drive httrack properly :D
07:58:10 <awox> are there still os x issues?
07:58:52 <awox> (I mean, I only read something on the main page - I have been playing an old, old version all this time)
08:08:32 <Rubidium> awox: there're still too many OS X (related) issues for it to get an official 1.0.0 release
08:10:47 * roboboy is happy with his hour or so work getting DOS 5 set up and runing (O)TT(O)(D)(P)
08:12:27 * roboboy got OpenTTD to run under MS-DOS5 with minimal configuration of DOS
08:14:43 <Rubidium> so it actually works :)
08:15:05 * roboboy shall try and get a screenie
08:15:54 <roboboy> one thing. It didn't exit cleanly
08:19:27 * peter1138 puts the warning back on 32bpp extra zoom levels on the wiki
08:22:04 <roboboy> hm screenshots under DOS fail both pcx and bmp. might be my computer
08:26:02 <roboboy> ive left the machine whilst in the process of quiting (I clicked quit on the main menu) and it has gone quiet except for the noise the fan makes so I presume it isn't going to quit cleanly under DOS
08:26:05 <peter1138> roboboy, you get an error?
08:26:16 <peter1138> might just be the screenshot filename is too long?
08:26:49 <roboboy> I get screenshot failed in a TTD error box
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08:28:35 <roboboy> I also get what I think is an AI eror that flashes up just before the game enters graphical mode. I presume that is because the compatibility .nut files have filenames that are too long to be loaded
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08:29:06 * roboboy restarts his DOS machine and tries to save a game to see if it will fail
08:29:45 <boekabart> the trac 'download as zip' function doesn't seem to work
08:30:03 <boekabart> (on the openttd site that is). Is that by design?
08:32:38 <Rubidium> boekabart: it probably uses too much memory
08:33:20 <peter1138> Rubidium, no, just a missing module
08:33:55 <Rubidium> peter1138: are you really sure? I've set it to be killed quite soon if it's memory usage spikes
08:34:03 <roboboy> trying to save gives me the eror "Game Load Failed File not Writeable" in a TTD eror box
08:34:09 <Rubidium> as otherwise it just keeps on using and using memory
08:34:20 <Rubidium> roboboy: and if you make the filename short enough?
08:34:28 <peter1138> Trac detected an internal error:
08:34:28 <peter1138> RuntimeError: Compression requires the (missing) zlib module
08:35:09 <roboboy> so the name provided in the save/load box is the actual filename without the extension?
08:35:33 <boekabart> well trac might be 'not used' but it's linked to from the main page (dev section) ..
08:36:52 <nicfer> New rail types is only for railroads right?
08:37:08 <peter1138> rail being rail, you'd expect that
08:38:47 <roboboy> and exiting from within a runing savegame also doesnt work
08:38:57 <roboboy> no eror just a hung computer
08:39:11 <roboboy> that doesn't appear to be doing any work
08:39:12 <Rubidium> there... trac issue 'fixed'
08:39:57 <nicfer> And could that be expanded to roads?
08:40:26 <roboboy> also the game reports that there are zero kilobytes available in the save dir
08:40:54 <peter1138> no, roads are different to rails
08:42:34 <roboboy> I have not tested music yet under DOS
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08:44:11 * roboboy wonders what chipset the onboard sound is on his DOS machine
08:44:12 <Rubidium> roboboy: it's quite likely that not everything works; after all, the only major porting is getting it to compile. Nothing else has been done
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08:44:34 <roboboy> im just pointing out issues
08:44:56 <roboboy> if anyone ever wants to fix them im happy to help test
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10:36:27 <boekabart> Rubidium: is there a src tarball download location?
10:41:29 <Yexo> via openttd, select any of the downloads at the top, then chose for the source download
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10:47:34 <planetmaker> hello roboboy :-)
10:48:02 * roboboy is marginaly happy with his work on his test pc for the day
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11:21:04 <zachanima> well that was a nice 10 hours of downtime
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11:21:41 <__ln__> also known as "sleep"?
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13:51:39 * roboboy ponders opening some FS tasks for the DOS port
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13:52:56 <Rubidium> roboboy: like? We'll probably just say: "install long filename support"; I seem to remember that exists somewhere.
13:53:35 <Rubidium> the Allegro issue is probably something in Allegro itself; it works fine with the Unix variant
13:53:50 <roboboy> what about the fact it doesnt exit cleanly and leaves my computer hung
13:54:07 <Rubidium> roboboy: that's likely an allegro issue
13:54:38 <Rubidium> and "it works" in Dosbox, which kinda implies it's something driver related
13:55:08 <Rubidium> in other words: the bugs will be like the mac os x bugs
13:55:08 <peter1138> does long filename support exist for dos?
13:58:07 <peter1138> and does openttd support it when compiled for dos?
14:00:46 <Eddi|zuHause> DOS TT(D) used short filenames and stored the company name in the file
14:02:42 * roboboy realy needs a soundcard driver
14:06:12 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, well yes, we know tha t;p
14:07:30 <Rubidium> peter1138: I don't know what it does w.r.t. filenames; dosbox doesn't seem lfn aware, so I can't test it
14:07:46 <Rubidium> besides that I don't really care that much about the dos port
14:08:36 <Rubidium> it's more a fun proof-of-concept thing than something I intend to support
14:08:56 <peter1138> because it might work better than the os x port ;)
14:09:16 <Rubidium> that would be awfully ironic :)
14:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe, if one could get proper UTF-8 support and stuff under DOS, one could drop the Win 9x port? ;)
14:09:55 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: network differs IIRC
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18:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean there's something other than using a slash hammer?
18:35:17 <Sacro> __ln__: that's seriously awesome
18:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "luckily" all my seagate problems were of a different kind...
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18:39:46 <__ln__> Sacro: yeah, and some serious effort put into making the video
18:39:57 <Sacro> Indeed, and such a wonderful soundtrack
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18:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19302 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)
18:46:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:46:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker
18:46:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 41 changes by lorenzodv
18:46:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: korean - 1 changes by junho2813
18:46:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: malay - 19 changes by Kwokfu
18:46:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: serbian - 18 changes by etran
18:46:05 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, you can use a sledge hammer
18:46:22 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... right, that was the word...
18:49:11 <Belugas> naaaa... that was the song
18:49:22 <Belugas> but that could be the word too :)
18:51:04 <peter1138> oops, the start is supposed to be quiet
18:52:58 <peter1138> # open up your fruit cage
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19:28:15 <Belugas> damned... quite a high wolume of W wames :S
19:31:12 <Wolf01> my old access point is tfu :(
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19:47:53 <PeterT> Noooooo, an opntitle.dat in the global directory does not take priority over an opntitle.dat in the local /data dir :-(
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20:31:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19303 /trunk/src/newgrf_airport.h: -Codechange: Silence a gcc warning.
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21:52:41 * andythenorth has an evil thought: if the BROS grf ever does get finished, maybe FIRS, HEQS and FISH will deactivate themselves if it's loaded.
21:52:46 <andythenorth> they are such silly puppies
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22:12:32 <Rubidium> till the hello tomorrow :)
22:18:18 <planetmaker> has an evil thought: if the BROS grf ever does get finished, maybe FIRS, HEQS and FISH will deactivate themselves if it's loaded. <-- lool :-P
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22:53:14 <PeterT> Anyone have any suggestions on GRFs for arctic games?
22:58:17 <SpComb^> PeterT: alpinew.grf :)
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23:02:18 <PeterT> What's a good train set for use with arctic?
23:05:23 <fjb> For an alpine setting I would recommend something German, Swiss or Austrian.
23:05:44 <PeterT> andythenorth: I've downloaded FISH 0.2, but it's not recognized by OpenTTD
23:06:08 <PeterT> Only FISH 0.1, FISH r159, FISH r223, FISH r245M
23:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: tried rescanning for grfs?
23:08:13 <fjb> You don't really need a ship set for an alpine setting.
23:09:35 <OwenS> Ooh, new OkTrends blog post
23:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: why would we care about some random blog?
23:10:26 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: It's the data mining blog of OKCupid. As they're pulling in thousands of users, it's quite revealing of mankind as a whole :p
23:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: why would we care about some random blog?
23:10:57 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Because it's interesting :p
23:11:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r19304 /trunk/src/sound/win32_s.cpp: -Fix [FS#3652]: disable sound when a sound error happen instead crashing
23:12:07 <OwenS> It also shows that lots of "common knowledge" is wrong :P
23:19:04 *** Xaroth was kicked by DorpsGek (see)
23:23:43 <TrueBrain> we have one; but you are in it!
23:24:21 <Xaroth> wait, if he's in our room, does that mean we can duct-tape him to the ceiling?
23:24:33 * TrueBrain gives Xaroth duct-tape
23:24:44 * Xaroth duct-tapes PeterT to the ceiling
23:24:56 <Xaroth> else he'd be the reincarnation of ceiling cat
23:25:10 <PeterT> You are in quite a crowded room to be humping
23:25:36 <Xaroth> it now has one less person looking, seeing all you can see now is the ceiling
23:26:53 <OwenS> And yet again this is #not-openttd
23:27:36 <OwenS> This channel is weird :-P
23:27:45 <TrueBrain> no, you are weird! (pointing a strong finger to OwenS)
23:27:58 <PeterT> Perhaps this channel is normal, and you are weird
23:28:09 <KenjiE20> wait, IRC channels are supposed to be on topic?
23:28:26 <OwenS> KenjiE20: I trust you've never been to freenode XD
23:28:40 <Xaroth> that sounds like a disease, OwenS
23:28:54 <PeterT> He is there right now, OwenS
23:29:10 <PeterT> Not connected to any channels, apparently
23:29:28 <glx> IIRC #tycoon is more often not on topic than we are
23:29:44 <TrueBrain> we should keep stats about that :)
23:30:25 <glx> freenode is more stable now :)
23:30:43 <PeterT> The 's' in 'Unauthorised' is bothering me
23:31:09 <PeterT> Quick! @topic change -2 s/thoris/thoriz/
23:31:24 <PeterT> It's British English *shudder*
23:31:28 <Rubidium> #openttd.notice is on-topic
23:31:37 <OwenS> PeterT: No, it's English. What you speak is American English
23:32:08 <PeterT> TrueBrain just pwned the system.
23:32:32 <PeterT> OwenS: You just missed it
23:32:47 <OwenS> I was going there to check if it was moderated :p
23:33:42 <PeterT> <DorpsGek> oh no, someone talked here <-- DorpsGek always talks anyway :-P
23:42:55 <DorpsGek> to kick or not kick, that is the question
23:44:06 <PeterT> that's a good question
23:45:08 <__ln__> OwenS: isn't that supposed to be "whom"?
23:46:05 <OwenS> I think technically yes
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