IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2010-02-28
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00:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have a problem here: .informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Pic_20100228_004710.png <-- i can't connect this harbour to anything
00:16:02 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Pic_20100228_004710.png
00:22:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19285 /trunk/config.lib: -Change [FS#3638]: add the default installation directory of lzo/zlib for Mac OS X/MinGW to the paths where (the headers of) those libraries are searched
00:27:11 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: water way
00:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: problem is, people can't use water paths
00:27:55 <Ammler> too long ago for me :-)
00:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> only cargo is transported that way
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02:12:17 <OwenS> Well, tomorrow: To write an interpreter. And a garbage collector that actually collects :-P
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08:18:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r19286 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r18648): [YAPP] If reversing at path signals was disabled, a train would not reverse when hitting the back of an one-way signal.
08:22:02 * andythenorth would like to borrow quite a bit more money....but at some kind of severe interest rate :|
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08:55:52 * andythenorth would like some cheap narrow gauge trains :|
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09:44:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19287 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3650] (r19263): Don't store a boolean in a CommandCost.
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10:27:32 <Rubidium> yay... and once again 50% of the open bugs are Mac OS X bugs
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10:27:57 <Rubidium> such good people telling us about the brokenness of their unsupported 1.0.0-RC1 binaries
10:31:06 <Alberth> __ln__: noticed the "their unsopported" words?
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10:38:51 * planetmaker is happy to at least report the errors ;-)
10:39:10 <andythenorth> yay....50% of irc traffic is Rubidium complaining about OS X :D
10:39:56 <Rubidium> no, it's whining that we still don't have an Mac OS X maintainer
10:40:25 <Rubidium> I would've thought that 6 months would've been enough to spark someone's interest
10:42:12 <planetmaker> if only my day had 48 hours :S
10:43:05 <ccfreak2k> sqEventInitDataLevelTbl
10:43:16 <ccfreak2k> Would you guess that such a function name might have something to do with SQL?
10:43:37 <Rubidium> no, rather with squirrel
10:43:46 <ccfreak2k> (this isn't in openttd)
10:44:32 <Rubidium> although, IIRC squirrel doesn't use capitals in function names, so it's not
10:45:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19288 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Codechange: Move EnsureNoVehicleOnGround() and HasVehicleOnTunnelBridge() functions.
10:47:58 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19289 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Codechange: Move _error_message assignment from check routine to caller.
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12:09:09 <OwenS> Aha. So THATS why the slave nameservers weren't serving - I'd accidentally coupled a CNAME and an MX >_<
12:09:34 <OwenS> Bind is obviously more picky than PowerDNS
12:10:28 <TrueBrain> sometimes the one is picker then the other .. depends on the problem ;)
12:10:45 <TrueBrain> for example, bind accepts .domain.tld, where PowerDNS refuses such entry
12:10:56 <lennard> cname couping with anything else is bad
12:11:07 <lennard> pointing an mx to a cname is bad as well
12:11:10 <lennard> basic rules of dns :P
12:11:46 <OwenS> I need to get out of the habit of CNAME meaning "Copy these A records" and into it meaning "Copy this record in it's entirety" :P
12:12:18 <Elessar> It would be nice to have specialized CNAME, would not it?
12:13:05 <TrueBrain> it would be nice if people used CNAMEs in a sane way :)
12:13:06 * Alberth ponders renaming the channel to #dns-problems
12:13:13 <Elessar> Like: lists.domain. SCNAME A machine.domain. along with lists.domain. MX othermachine.domain.…
12:13:20 <TrueBrain> Alberth: better: #all-but-openttd
12:13:45 <Alberth> yeah, #no-openttd-discussions-please is much better :)
12:14:09 <OwenS> Elessar: We could have that if everything moved to PTR records
12:14:40 <OwenS> _http._tcp.somedomain.com IN PTR 0 someserver.somedomain.com
12:14:56 <Elessar> Yes, it would be perfect.
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12:15:20 <lennard> also, not gonna happen :)
12:15:43 <Elessar> For me, CNAMEs are, as MX and PTR, perfect to avoid duplicating information, pointing logical names to canonical, hostnames.
12:19:42 <OwenS> And the mail starts coming in...
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13:29:02 <HackaLittleBit> Aaaah It would be so nice when tunnel bridge tile would be assigned immediately to vehicle the moment it is allowed to enter.:-)
13:31:08 <HackaLittleBit> or tile of custom bridge head
13:42:53 <HackaLittleBit> I just changed that before posting lol
13:50:59 <HackaLittleBit> and TRACK_BIT_WORMHOLE when it realy is inside wormhole
14:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't suppose anyone knows about S2TNG savegame hacking...
14:20:32 <Ammler> maybe the opensettler guys?
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14:23:13 <frosch123> without the TNG part i knew some stuff once
14:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose that changed heavily in the last 10 years :p
14:33:53 * SpComb^ wonders where the OpenTTD download stats are
14:34:29 <Rubidium> SpComb^: just check your logs :)
14:34:58 <frosch123> hmm, how often has that question been asked last night?
14:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> great... and the map editor crashes in wine...
14:37:13 <SpComb^> well, I found openttd.org/stats
14:37:50 <frosch123> i never liked s2 due to no random map creation
14:38:04 <SpComb^> I was looking at settlers2.5 just now
14:38:17 <SpComb^> their project home page is broken, but they have an lp site with a bzr-svn import
14:41:25 <SpComb^> how complete are the stats at openttd.org/stats?
14:41:35 <SpComb^> i.e. will you be celebrating the 1m downloads mark? :)
14:42:56 <Rubidium> it's only from since the new website is up
14:43:14 <peter1138> and doesn't count distribution provided packages, of course
14:44:02 <SpComb^> hmmk, so not a very useful 1m downloads mark
14:48:45 <Ammler> downloads from openttd.org = trashed packages + distribution packages
15:02:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r19290 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix (r19285): wrong path in log
15:26:56 <SpComb^> S2TNG is very confusing
15:33:55 <SpComb^> and also buggy... it just went into serious earthquake-shaking mode
15:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate forums where you have to be registered to view threads...
15:47:04 <PeterT> you mean like clanmega.warlink.eu?
15:49:07 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it doesn't actually require registering, but it looks like the post was deleted...
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17:57:44 <mjk> I had a small airport there before, then removed it and wanted to replace it with a city airport. Whenever I try to place it with CTRL, it says "Build a separate station". What gives?
17:57:52 <PeterT> Without opening the game - check the station spread
17:58:05 <PeterT> Advanced settings -> Stations -> Max Station Spread
17:58:09 <mjk> station spread ... hmmm ... checking
17:59:29 <PeterT> what's the problem, then?
18:00:53 <mjk> PeterT: Yippiiiieh, it works!
18:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: yeah, apparently they have some crazy algorithm for that :p
18:02:08 * SpComb^ wonders how legally valid settlers2.5 is
18:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> they say there's a fixed password for maps, but they don't say what it is...
18:09:25 <SpComb^> point one, it's obfuscation, not encryption, and point two, why bother >_<
18:10:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea...
18:15:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19291 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: Rename HasVehicleOnTunnelBridge() to TunnelBridgeIsFree() and return a CommandCost status.
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18:46:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19292 /trunk/src/lang/ (18 files): (log message trimmed)
18:46:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:46:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 1 changes by Kayos
18:46:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne
18:46:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 1 changes by silentStatic
18:46:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 46 changes by Ailanto, kristjan
18:46:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx
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19:47:31 <SpComb^> a little water won't hurt
19:48:09 <SpComb^> this is scary... google shows "real time" twitter stuff in search results :/
19:50:41 <OwenS> [ASI] Execute LitFunc at (0xd9b100,0,0,1) <-- YAAY! My VM just took an opcode :-)
19:53:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19293 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3566]: Some methods of AIAbstractList left invalid iterators.
20:05:21 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.ca/1815945 <-- can tell me anyone the difference between the zip calls from within the makefile and the command prompt or why the first semi-fails?
20:06:03 <planetmaker> I fail to see any difference...
20:06:38 <FauxFaux> It's probably something to do with you using a pastebin site that doesn't work on some isps.
20:06:56 <Rubidium> maybe zip called from makefile is the one declared in Makefile.config/local (possibly 7z?)
20:07:30 <planetmaker> hm... might be possible, but you see the call make made; it's the same
20:07:48 <planetmaker> (using verbose mode)
20:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "<!-- Hack: used for temporary objects... couldn't be deleted, too dangerous before master date -->" <-- that sounds promising :p
20:25:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19294 /trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Change: [NoAI] Remove HasNext() from all lists/iterators and add IsEnd() instead.
20:28:20 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19295 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: introduce wrapper functions for GRFConfig::name/info
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20:36:48 <OwenS> frosch123: Isn't changing HasNext to IsEnd going to break lots of AIs? :P
20:37:00 <TrueBrain> OwenS: only if you think frosch123 is stupid :)
20:37:22 <OwenS> I don't think so. I'm wondering what hes doing based upon that commit :p
20:37:40 <frosch123> oh shit, now that you mention it
20:37:41 <TrueBrain> I assume he finds IsEnd a more sane name then HasNext :)
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20:38:06 <frosch123> HasNext did not do what it said :)
20:38:20 <TrueBrain> frosch123: seeing it is !IsEnd, I wonder what you expected it to do :)
20:38:38 <frosch123> !IsEnd is actually HadNext
20:39:12 <OwenS> Incidentally, has the Squirrel guy started fixing bugs yet or is he still as unresponsive as he was ~5 months ago? :p
20:39:26 <Yexo> he's still not really responsive
20:39:37 <Yexo> but as far as I know all bugs that caused crashes have been fixed
20:39:44 <frosch123> the docs said HasNext tells whether the next call to Next is valid, but actually it checked whether the last call was valid
20:39:47 <TrueBrain> and he tends to backports our fixes ;)
20:40:07 <TrueBrain> frosch123: ah, yes; changes over time tend to invalidate naming :)
20:40:17 <TrueBrain> s/naming/documentation/
20:41:23 * OwenS considers making AlterScript syntacticallly more compatible with Squirrel :p
20:42:14 * frosch123 should have used google in the first place instead of checking all noai pages on the wiki manually :s
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20:58:31 <Ammler> SmatZ: is the bug we had with yesterday nightly fixed?
20:59:36 <Rubidium> or do you mean FS#3651? :)
20:59:37 <Ammler> well, we did go one day back it worked again...
20:59:51 <frosch123> the "if (strcmp(GetLogin(), "coop"') == ) abort();" is a feature
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21:00:50 <frosch123> or if you mean the crash shortly after find servers, it was fixed around 30 minutes after the nightly
21:01:14 <Ammler> Rubidium: do I care about OSX? :-)
21:01:39 <Rubidium> you don't have ottdcoop players that use OSX?
21:02:49 <planetmaker> but that's the h2h server
21:03:11 <planetmaker> Message: Assertion failed at line 1741 of /home/ottdc/hg-repos/head-to-head/src/industry_cmd.cpp: t != NULL
21:03:21 <Rubidium> let me guess, it's already fixed as it's a quite old version of trunk that's based upon
21:03:31 <planetmaker> yes. 53 minutes old
21:08:00 <Ammler> something else, if I define a station to use existing sprites, it uses other sprites for monorail and other for maglev.
21:08:15 <Ammler> is it possible to set that offset?
21:11:26 <frosch123> no, it is fixed for the old railtypes
21:11:49 <frosch123> (and controlled by the station-graphics property of new railtypes)
21:14:23 <frosch123> but actually, why would you want to modify it?
21:14:51 <Ammler> I try to make a "debug" grf for the opengfx houses
21:15:34 <Ammler> that way, I could make a group of 6 sprites
21:17:27 <Alberth> planetmaker: line 1741 is "*ip = new Industry(tile);" (r19287) line 1733 is "assert(t != NULL);"
21:17:34 <_newage_> squirrel? do you use squirrel scriptng language in ottd?
21:17:57 <Alberth> no, we include random additional libs just for fun
21:18:16 <Alberth> the new AIs are written using it
21:18:18 <planetmaker> Alberth: the line I posted was from the h2h repository
21:18:28 <planetmaker> I'm about to test in trunk
21:18:41 <__ln__> i suspect "assert(t != NULL);" is not Tron-approved way of using assert.
21:19:07 * planetmaker suspects that Alberth has a highlight on assert ;-)
21:19:45 <Alberth> no, just happened to read the last stuff before going to bed :)
21:19:55 <planetmaker> Have a good night then
21:20:07 <planetmaker> Sounds tempting. Possibly I should give in, too ;-)
21:20:18 * Alberth needs to find out what Tron-approved means first :)
21:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't know Tron? :p
21:21:52 <Alberth> I think I added that assert not so long ago
21:22:09 <Alberth> I know Tron, but not his opinion about assert
21:22:48 <planetmaker> hmpf. Fantastic. linking dedicated server fails with undefined iconv symbols :S
21:24:03 <planetmaker> and why... unix.o on a mac? hm... let's see
21:24:39 <Rubidium> because Bjarni decided not to duplicate that piece of code
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21:28:34 <planetmaker> can someone fill me in how to get a list of symbols defined within a library?
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21:28:50 <Rubidium> objdump --something <library>
21:29:04 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: asserts are only "wrong" if t is some kind of user input or a result of malloc
21:30:48 <__ln__> 28. syys 2004 13:13:18 <Tron> Celestar: cleaning up the mess truelight made ^^
21:30:51 <__ln__> 28. syys 2004 13:13:37 <Tron> Packet *packet = malloc(sizeof(Packet));
21:30:54 <__ln__> 28. syys 2004 13:13:37 <Tron> assert(packet != NULL);
21:30:57 <__ln__> 28. syys 2004 13:13:57 <Tron> he deserves spanking for crimes like that
21:31:39 <Rubidium> English only please :)
21:33:07 <Rubidium> frosch123: ofcourse he's not here... it's a lesser form of communication
21:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i have never seen him in here...
21:33:34 <planetmaker> it's a tainted channel
21:33:44 <frosch123> but someone quoted stuff from 2004
21:37:52 <__ln__> wtf, i browsed the log and found a line where Tron jokes about something and uses a smiley
21:39:38 <Zuu> Seems I'm a bit late but I hope foreach(abc in list) will work in squirrel just as before.
21:40:02 <Zuu> or foreach(abc, _ in list)
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22:19:52 <HackaLittleBit> trying to upload patch but get err msg
22:19:55 <HackaLittleBit> The upload was rejected because the uploaded file was identified as a possible attack vector.The upload was rejected because the uploaded file was identified as a possible attack vector.
22:19:56 <PeterT> I meant to test your patch, is there a binary?
22:21:00 <HackaLittleBit> I checked the file can't find nothing ??
22:22:53 <Eddi|zuHause> HackaLittleBit: upload a patch where?
22:23:11 <HackaLittleBit> to my first page
22:23:34 <HackaLittleBit> of tun bri signals
22:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the forum does only allow certain file extensions, did you check that?
22:23:54 <HackaLittleBit> shure .patch like allways
22:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause> then talk to orudge
22:24:24 <HackaLittleBit> signaltunnel_V2.02__r19295.patch
22:25:34 <HackaLittleBit> I think he is buzy :)
22:31:56 <orudge> it might be the touble periods in it, HackaLittleBit
22:32:04 <orudge> ie, the . in the version number, and also in the .patch
22:32:12 <orudge> phpBB might well have some sort of check against that
22:32:18 <orudge> in case it thinks you're uploading a .doc.exe or something daft
22:32:49 <aber> .doc is no secure extension.
22:33:40 <HackaLittleBit> thanks owen I am checking, I changed documentation I'll let you know when I don't succeed
22:52:30 <HackaLittleBit> no its not the points :(, its something inside, I am checking
23:01:02 <HackaLittleBit> orudge: I changed somethings in the html docs , when I took it out I was able to upload ?? duno why
23:04:53 <HackaLittleBit> rubidium: you still wan't to split tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp
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23:27:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: no, NFO does not support loops
23:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: i'd say 'eye cancer'
23:30:17 <OwenS> I wish I could read NFO :p
23:30:59 <Ammler> oh, didn't I comment it nicely, though I have no idea about Action1/2/3
23:31:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: you can write that, but does it actually _work_?
23:33:12 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: doesn't the image above prove it?
23:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause> no, a "proof" is a chain of arguments that one can actually _follow_
23:34:11 <Ammler> well, the code is done for one station pair
23:34:18 <Rubidium> if you can make loops in NFO that much be considered a bug
23:34:21 <Ammler> but it loops there 200 times
23:37:48 <Ammler> according to grf spec, it is possible to jump back to a label
23:37:59 <Rubidium> yeah, and likely to be very buggy
23:38:17 <Ammler> yeah, I didn't expect it to work :-)
23:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: which part of the specs says that?
23:38:30 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: action7: num-sprites
23:38:37 <Rubidium> "Note that it is generally not safe to skip backwards, i.e. to an earlier position. While the patch will happily do that, you will get strange results if certain actions are repeated. Only action 0, 6, 7, 9, C and D are reasonably safe to execute more than once."
23:39:38 <Rubidium> in other words: if it doesn't work it is "not our problem"
23:39:59 <Ammler> as said, I didn't expect it..., quite cool, it does...
23:40:30 <Ammler> well, else you could make the loop with bash or something else
23:48:32 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i did send in my vote for title game, right?
23:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a memory like a sieve sometimes...
23:51:05 <Rubidium> doesn't your 'sent' mailbox have a memory less like a sieve?
23:52:07 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, but do i remember to look in the mailbox? :p
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23:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not when you forget something, but when you forget where to look for something, where the trouble starts :p
23:54:12 <Reinbachh> Quiiick question about music, for some reason it's not playing
23:54:18 <Reinbachh> Sound effects are fine, but music isn't!
23:54:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Reinbachh: which OS?
23:55:10 <Reinbachh> X-Fi sound card, which definitely does play midi
23:55:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Reinbachh: did you copy the "gm" folder from your original ttd-windows disk?
23:55:37 <Eddi|zuHause> ttd-dos music does not work
23:55:38 <Reinbachh> The gm folder is in the ottd installation directory, yar
23:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> did you select "original_windows" as music set?
23:56:27 <Reinbachh> I can see that choice for graphics options
23:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause> which openttd version?
23:56:55 <Reinbachh> I'm 100% sure it's something simple like a config thing
23:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, that doesn't have the music selection yet.
23:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause> if you load a game, and go into the juke box, and press "play", what does it do?
23:58:04 <Reinbachh> The track names are all in the jukebox happily
23:58:30 <Reinbachh> I bet it's something in a .ini or .cfg file which needs changing
23:58:38 <Reinbachh> Either something isn't pointing in the right place or whatever...
23:58:39 <glx> track names are there even when the files are not IIRC
23:59:46 <glx> where exactly is the gm dir ?
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