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00:17:32 <SmatZ> 1 US fluid ounce = 1.040842731 imperial fluid ounces
00:17:42 <SmatZ> it's even more complicated than I thought...
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04:35:35 <kd5pbo> SmatZ: IT means if you ask for 16oz ( a pint ) of beer in the US, you get more beer.
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08:23:18 * andythenorth wants to flame MB and resists
08:26:29 <Rubidium> yeah, he always rants that his NewGRF is superior because it implements that AI callback thingy and that it must be obeyed...
08:32:51 <andythenorth> MB: "Introduction of "vehicle classes" had been discussed as well, years ago."
08:32:55 <andythenorth> which is nice, but I wasn't around
08:33:09 <planetmaker> andythenorth, that's one of his 'default' style of answers.
08:33:10 <andythenorth> and I've shipped a lot of code since then
08:33:32 <planetmaker> for anything which is against his liking
08:33:33 <andythenorth> so I missed out on a conversation with MB in 2003, and I don't get to make feature requests?
08:33:59 <planetmaker> your main fault is that you code for the wrong game [TM]
08:34:04 <Rubidium> andythenorth: yes, you should have searched
08:34:19 <Rubidium> and *especially* the german forum and his private conversations
08:35:42 * andythenorth finds...not a lot of use
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10:25:20 <planetmaker> s/probably/properly/
10:25:38 <planetmaker> though I find it hard to find the newgrf v8 discussion thread, too
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12:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19147 /trunk/src/lang/ (24 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
12:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: all - update layout to latest english.txt
12:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hebrew - 2 changes by dnd_man
12:16:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 1 changes by prof
12:16:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 2 changes by
12:16:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 35 changes by mantaray
12:19:50 * TrueBrain loves latest XKCD :)
12:20:53 <planetmaker> eh... is CIA late or is the commit time so unusual?
12:21:11 <TrueBrain> I am happy to read you got used to WT3 committing at 19:45 :)
12:21:36 <planetmaker> of course :-) I rely on that to get translations into the next nightly ;-)
12:21:59 <TrueBrain> but the second line is the key line in this commit
12:22:26 <planetmaker> ah :-) I only reat up to "<CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators..."
12:22:29 * roboboy stabs arround in the source for stuff related to the version
12:25:37 <TrueBrain> if mor epeople would touch languages, it wouldn't be needed, such commits :p
12:26:14 <planetmaker> those are the languages which didn't have a commit for... longer?
12:28:39 <roboboy> can I get openttd to report to the user as being version r****M but internally think its r**** ? eg I have applied a client side GUI patch that does not affect MP and thus allow the moded client to conect to non moded servers but have the user not report bugs to the devs because they see it as a non official build. Or would that just cause more problems?
12:29:14 <TrueBrain> would cause problems.
12:33:20 <Ammler> roboboy: it should already, check gamelog
12:34:35 <planetmaker> The game log tells you only about modified trunk or not. Thus a knowledgable person will be able to tell. But the usual player won't, if it tells r19145 or r19145 with client patches
12:35:23 <Ammler> well, I guess, that is why you need the save
12:36:13 <Ammler> in earlier versions, it was possible to join with different version string
12:36:23 <planetmaker> Probably the only practical way is to provide binaries only with a BIG RED WARNING about error reports going to the thread the binaries are being posted. Or just posting the patches and have people compile themselves.
12:36:29 <TrueBrain> in which earlier verisons you talk about Ammler?
12:36:36 <Ammler> I guess, blathijs changed that sometime, no idea why.
12:36:47 <Ammler> TrueBrain: around 0.6-07
12:36:59 <TrueBrain> from the moment I wrote the new network protocol, it was not possible to join with different versions
12:37:02 <TrueBrain> it was there from day one
12:37:12 <Ammler> TrueBrain: with -n it was
12:37:38 <Ammler> I am quite sure, it was :-)
12:38:02 <TrueBrain> the only problems in the first days was that we couldn't detect the revision for people using MSVC, and so there we a norev000, which skipped detection
12:38:07 <TrueBrain> this, lucky enough, has finally be completely removed
12:39:09 <Ammler> shouldn't be that hard to search for the commit, one of the latest blathijs commits...
12:39:22 <TrueBrain> I also remember the first 'client' side patch ... having the command: Random() in it .. weird .. it caused desyncs ...
12:40:02 <planetmaker> There's two randoms, aren't ther? InteractiveRandom and Random.
12:40:12 <planetmaker> IIRC one is a desync issue, the other not. Do I err?
12:40:21 <TrueBrain> in reversed order, yup
12:40:43 <planetmaker> Yeah, I didn't recall which. I just knew that there's a place which I'd have to look for, if I had to bother
12:41:00 <TrueBrain> one should rename InteractiveRandom to ClientSideOnlyRandom
12:41:11 <planetmaker> would make perfect sense, yes
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12:42:50 <planetmaker> but then it might make also perfect sense with the current name. Dunno :-)
12:43:33 <TrueBrain> perfect sense, clearly not, as you need to think about it :p
12:43:44 <TrueBrain> usability 1-on-1 :)
12:44:54 <Ammler> he, what is his svn nick? ( blathijs )
12:52:28 * roboboy ponders posting a moded binary that will report as being clean in a passworded zip
12:52:50 <roboboy> hopefuly it will force users to read the entire post to use it
12:53:29 <TrueBrain> I think there should be a new forum policy: binaries posted as officials should be removed, and a link should be put to the official download place :p
12:53:30 <SmatZ> it will only cause tens of replies "wtf winzip says it's passworded plz halp!"
12:53:33 <Rubidium> it'll only force users to make countless "what's the password" posts
12:54:05 <roboboy> It will be in my thread and I wont tell them if they ask me
12:54:20 <roboboy> but I may not post it
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12:55:10 <planetmaker> roboboy, I'm registered at a forum with various sub-sections. One is dedicated to law questions. German law forbids to answer personalized law questions by persons which are NOT a lawer. Thus they made a big warning in red letters, that you shall post anonymized. You have to confirm that for every posting made in that section. Guess the quota of threads started in a way like "I have a problem..." instead of "assume that..."
12:55:53 <TrueBrain> people don't read. period.
12:56:24 <roboboy> well I shall not post it
12:58:00 <Rubidium> planetmaker: stupid law... if rephrasing a sentence circumvents it :)
12:58:19 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: it is germany! What else did you expect?
12:58:30 <planetmaker> Rubidium, yeah :-) Just discuss a general issue which applies perfectly to your case. That's fine. But don't use 'I'. Oh well. That's law.
12:58:50 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: bi-weekly invasions?
12:58:53 <planetmaker> And additional it's Germany, yes. People are obsessed with such things.
12:59:12 <planetmaker> Like it or not, it's a fact :S
13:00:26 <Rubidium> planetmaker: well, law... it's not quite a fact :)
13:00:44 <planetmaker> I meant the obsession ;-)
13:01:59 <Rubidium> now figure this: countless people from Germany come shopping *here* "because it's cheaper" and countless people from *here* go shopping in Germany "because it's cheaper"... something doesn't add up
13:02:24 <Rubidium> well, unless they're coffee addicted
13:02:34 <planetmaker> I guess it doess add up. ^
13:02:53 <Rubidium> apparantly that's cheaper here seeing the quantity of German coffee in the shops around here
13:02:56 <planetmaker> Try to go to a typical convenience store here and get Vla or stroopwaffels.
13:03:00 <planetmaker> Quite difficult, tbh
13:03:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: true, I know where I can get stroopwafel in Nagasaki though!
13:03:28 <Ammler> he, can't compile 0.6 anymore, well TrueBrain it was possible, I know it.
13:03:40 <planetmaker> yes, I know where I can get stroopwaffels here, too. But not Vla.
13:05:29 <Rubidium> I hope they're not extremely expensive there though :)
13:05:40 <Rubidium> 1.50 for 2 stroopwafels in Nagasaki
13:06:10 <planetmaker> Prices here are somewhat reasonable. Don't recall in detail
13:06:37 <planetmaker> Like what I'd expect for a cookie package of that size
13:07:36 <Ammler> seems like gcc44 errors, why is that so bad to exit the compile?
13:08:53 <Rubidium> because they're errors?
13:09:11 <Ammler> planetmaker: compiling 0.6
13:09:27 <Rubidium> if there's an error it's easy to fix though (and only one error)
13:10:02 <Ammler> /home/marcel/svn/openttd/0.6.3/src/fileio.cpp:629: error: invalid conversion from ‘const char*’ to ‘char*’
13:11:48 <Ammler> char *s = strrchr(exe, PATHSEPCHAR);
13:12:21 <Ammler> oh well, not really necessary...
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13:55:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19148 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Fix [FS#3627]: [v]seprintf should return the number of added characters excluding '\0' on truncation (adf88)
13:57:55 <SpComb^> the number of added characters?
13:58:45 <Rubidium> yeah, so ptr += seprintf(ptr, lastof(ptr), ...) works
14:04:55 <blathijs> Ammler: Hmm, I changed what exactly? My SVN account is matthijs, btw.
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14:23:15 <Ammler> blathijs: I remember it that you did, but it might be something else
14:23:49 <Ammler> "someone" changed the network code, so it wasn't able anymore to join a server with different version string (with -n)
14:24:30 <Ammler> iirc, it was around the time ./configure --revision didn't work
14:33:56 <blathijs> It rings a bell somewhere, not sure if I did any work on that though
14:34:06 <blathijs> Would have been a long time ago, if it was me :)
14:37:14 <planetmaker> hello Belugas :-)
14:41:45 <Belugas> mister planetmaker, i salute ya
14:44:50 <peter1138> (aka, not blathijs)
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14:51:36 <Ammler> peter1138: sounds like it, but not that long ago, blathijs, you were at least involved in the talk that it should be added :-)
14:52:47 <Rubidium> and what are the effects of r18804? What does it affect?
14:53:16 <Ammler> that rev sounds too new
14:53:45 <Ammler> Rubidium: I know it because since then, we use nomod.diff
14:54:03 <Ammler> where we change first row from $REV to $REV_NR
14:55:15 <Rubidium> that code has been added like...
14:55:25 <Ammler> yep, in findversion.sh
14:56:26 <Ammler> I was told, it is better to do that than changing the modified flag ;-)
14:56:46 <Ammler> so you still have the flag set for gamelog
14:57:03 <Rubidium> the check has been added in like r915
14:57:17 <Ammler> then it was temporarly disabled
14:57:34 <Rubidium> with norev it was, other than that is has NEVER been disabled
14:57:38 <Ammler> maybe it was the reason --revision didn't work
14:59:39 <Rubidium> oh, you mean r14261?
15:00:16 <peter1138> and i don't even care :D
15:00:36 <Ammler> I can't test it anymore anyway, too new compiler
15:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: you can probably backport the gcc44 fixes
15:01:02 <Rubidium> that's just bs... just compile an older compiler
15:01:18 <Rubidium> or fracking fix that compile error... how hard can it be to do so?
15:01:33 <Ammler> but the whole work just to prove, TrueBrain is wrong ;-)
15:01:58 <Rubidium> read: *IF* you CAN NOT fix that compile error, you should NOT be messing with network compatability issues; you're going to make a big mess of it
15:02:28 <Ammler> so you might be right and it never worked and I have something else in my mind.
15:03:11 <Ammler> Rubidium: I don't want to mess with it, I just wanted to check my memory...
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15:07:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19149 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Codechange: make our vsnprintf implementation for Windows more POSIX compliant (adf88)
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15:31:56 <blathijs> Hmm, in English, how do you call the place that destroys old cars?
15:31:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19150 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): -Fix (r19143): some more locations could use updating
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15:32:04 <blathijs> "Autosloop" in Dutch...
15:33:17 <planetmaker> blathijs, scrapyard? junkyard?
15:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean a "Schrottpresse"?
15:34:04 <Eddi|zuHause> scrapyard is where they are standing, not where they get destroyed
15:34:26 <planetmaker> oh, they're salvaged there.
15:34:26 <blathijs> Ah, junkjard is fine.
15:34:40 <blathijs> I did actually mean the salvaging thing :-)
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16:46:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19151 /trunk/ (config.lib src/ai/api/ai_changelog.hpp src/fileio.cpp): -Codechange [FS#3625]: Move home directory to a better place in Haiku (jrepan)
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16:54:46 <Belugas> now that was a good one... We have problems with some PINPads while processing EMV (ChipNPin) transactions. And the officials have stated that it's all related to statics
16:55:03 <Belugas> can you find something even more STUPID??
16:55:42 <Rubidium> static as in the (C) keyword or as in the electrical phenomenon
16:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what it said in their BOFH calendar for today...
16:56:36 <Rubidium> yeah, that's quite plausible
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17:06:58 <Belugas> electrical phenomenom, Rubidium.
17:07:46 <Belugas> how come it has nevr been triggered by swiping? far more possible than just inserting
17:07:57 <Belugas> or is it somehting known in Europ?
17:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> he meant the BOFH thing is plausible :p
17:08:24 <Rubidium> Belugas: bastard operator from hell
17:09:37 <Rubidium> Belugas: why it's triggered is because over time hardware seems to get crappier and crappier
17:10:17 <Belugas> ALL types of EMV pinpads?
17:10:34 <Belugas> THAT makes me VERY suspicious of a lie
17:10:50 <Rubidium> also contact chips have some sort of 'processing' capability, which means it can be shorted. A magnetic swipe thing can't
17:11:39 <Eddi|zuHause> in the company i worked for a while, they had a rule: "if you are with a customer, and there's a problem, first blame it on Windows and on SAP."
17:12:04 <glx> the magnetic thing is rarely used here
17:18:51 <peter1138> i have a new set of test scripts for another set of accreditation...
17:24:03 <Belugas> yup those cards indeed
17:25:29 <Belugas> we were deploying a few thousand EMV units to read those cards. but due to some deep freeze problems, the deployment continued, just that the EMV part was deactivated, and only the magnetic part is used
17:30:11 <OwenS> Belugas: Don't the CC companies no longer offer fraud protection for !EMV transactions?
17:30:48 <Rubidium> credit card and fraud protection? Right...
17:31:07 <Rubidium> with their fraudulently high interest rates and such
17:31:37 <Rubidium> and you giving the card to the waiter to see it back a couple of minutes later with the only thing you need to do is signing
17:31:44 <OwenS> Rubidium: Thats a matter for the banks. I was refering to the retailer, who, in the UK, will not get any compensation if they process a fraudlent card without EMV
17:32:02 <OwenS> Rubidium: Heh, here they always bring the pin pad to you
17:32:26 <Rubidium> ah well, it's long ago I used a credit card
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17:33:28 <OwenS> Same network, same fraud protection issues for retailers
17:33:34 <ashb> those are no different here - both are EMV
17:33:39 <OwenS> Oh, and no legal fraud protection for you
17:34:30 <Rubidium> OwenS: I've NEVER paid without entering my pin with my debit card, although most of the time with the credit card I didn't need a pin (hell... I've even had times I didn't need to sign)
17:34:52 <OwenS> Rubidium: Heh. Here, as I said, retailers won't take them without pin because theres no insurance then
17:35:19 <OwenS> But if you get scammed with a credit card, they're damned good at recovering your money. Banks? Banks don't care
17:37:27 <orudge> hmm, well, my Dad once had some money taken from his account, apparently via his debit card, and he got it all refunded from the bank
17:38:09 <OwenS> orudge: It depends entirely on the bank, but they're not required to do anything if your card gets skimmed. They are if it's stolen, but not in other circumstances
17:38:43 <OwenS> Plus with a credit card company you have the leverage that it was their money which was stolen
17:39:58 <Belugas> OwenS, Canada is only starting to deploy EMV. So Magnetic is still there for a good time
17:40:08 <Belugas> and as for the USA, it's not even in the radar
17:40:13 <Belugas> and as for the USA, it's not even in the radar
17:40:20 <OwenS> Belugas: Heh. Barclays are even deploying contactless here now...
17:40:40 <peter1138> my latest round of accreditation is with barclays, heh
17:41:17 <OwenS> And I know both Barclays and Natwest are giving out personal pin pads for online shopping (Rather than the weak password systems all the other banks use for their 3D-Secure pages)
17:41:54 * Belugas deals with Moneris, Paymentech, Global Payments, Desjardins, FDMS, Hearthland and quite a few more
17:42:03 <Belugas> all same shit of lies
17:42:09 <glx> I receive a code by SMS for that
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17:42:19 <ashb> OwenS: i bet they aren't interoperable either, so you have to carry *your* reader?
17:42:27 <peter1138> all the security measures... which appear to be for consumer protection, but are really to protect the banks
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17:44:18 * Belugas leaves the office to buy a new lens cap
17:44:38 <OwenS> ashb: They're actually following a standard :p
17:45:09 <Eddi|zuHause> as if "standard" ever meant it was actually compatible :p
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18:04:13 * andythenorth wonders if MB is right
18:04:21 * andythenorth has better things to do, so does them
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18:27:49 * Belugas swears at the cost of a brand on an item that is almost worth nothing
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18:28:07 <Belugas> branless -> 4$ "Canon" -> 17$
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18:30:01 <planetmaker> Belugas, looking for accumulators?
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18:36:47 <planetmaker> Well. The difference is not worth 10$
18:36:56 <planetmaker> It is a difference, though
18:36:56 <Belugas> apart from the ego ;)
18:37:22 <Belugas> i've seen better looking ones on ebay. branded and far cheaper
18:37:36 <Belugas> so i've got one just for now, like... emergency!
18:38:08 <tokai> Amazing those default lens caps don't come with some string for security. Annoys me a little bit too :)
18:38:34 <planetmaker> yeah. Not quite understandable.
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18:39:10 <tokai> Or at least some hole so you can connect your own string.
18:39:42 <Belugas> well.. when to think of it... SLR are cameras where you can change lenses
18:39:52 <Belugas> you'll have to detach, attach blabla
18:40:04 <Belugas> would a bit of a pain in the butt to do
18:40:25 <tokai> You could secure the lens cap directly to the lens body :)
18:40:51 <tokai> Dunno how practically that is though :)
18:41:07 <tokai> Didn't lost any my caps yet, luckily. :)
18:42:34 <Belugas> tokai, i've got (so far) two lenses. a 58mm and a 55mm
18:42:42 <Belugas> so... i cannot really do so
18:43:18 * Belugas has a plan for some kind of a pocket in elastic fabrics to hook on the camera strap
18:43:45 <Belugas> ho... and i always carry them with me and i switch them very frequenlty
18:43:59 <Belugas> must be why i kinda lost my 58mm
18:44:42 <tokai> Start to use filter etc. and you get even more things to take care for :)
18:45:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19152 /trunk/src/lang/romanian.txt:
18:45:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 2 changes by
18:45:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: romanian - 2 changes by tonny
18:45:55 <planetmaker> tokai, yeah... but filters are handled with more care than a cap - which is readily stuffed into a pocket or so
18:46:01 <planetmaker> I wouldn't do it with my filters...
18:46:33 <Belugas> although a USEFULL filter is not used every day
18:46:56 <Belugas> not talking about a UV filter... only there to protect the front lens
18:47:56 <planetmaker> hehe. Yes, I have that also for every lens.
18:47:58 <tokai> I switch filters regularly... neutral density/ UV/ polarizer... don't like to stack them :)
18:48:15 <tokai> And it multiplies when your lenses have different filter sizes
18:48:30 <Belugas> god yes... the nightmare!
19:01:28 <Belugas> but hey... what a pleasure to switch lenses depending of the situation :D
19:01:56 * Belugas needs a 100mm macro and a 100-400zoom
19:02:11 <Belugas> mmh... and a big mug of coffee
19:02:50 <Belugas> you'd rather have a 300-800 sigma?
19:03:30 <planetmaker> Belugas, well... that's the paparazzi class ;-)
19:04:09 <Belugas> wanted it for birds watching
19:04:35 <Belugas> yeah :) birds in bikini
19:04:38 <planetmaker> well. 300mm is what I have now at most. It's ok. But yes, sometimes more'd be nice
19:04:55 <planetmaker> but already then it's nearly not possible to follow a bird on the fly with it.
19:05:41 <planetmaker> but of course it depends upon distance.
19:05:50 <planetmaker> And you want them fast.
19:06:02 <planetmaker> Too small and you'll have too slow shutter. Then it's not worth anything
19:06:07 <planetmaker> at least for birds ;-)
19:06:57 <Belugas> I've read that it's not really usefull to have anyting below 400mm. 400mm been a minimum
19:07:15 <Belugas> i guss the guy has a deep pocket to say so
19:08:04 <planetmaker> you might go for a teleconverter and less mm on the lens you buy
19:08:36 <planetmaker> but of course... teleconverter is teleconverter. Which is not always positive.
19:09:38 <Belugas> which is less expensive but... it's a prime :S
19:09:44 <Belugas> therefor, you have to move
19:11:08 <planetmaker> prime = fixed focus?
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19:13:31 <planetmaker> yo. 400mm, 1:2.8 USM: 8100€.
19:14:09 <planetmaker> 100...400mm, 1:4.5-5.6: USM: 1600€
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19:20:06 <Belugas> Canon EF 400mm F/5.6L USM
19:20:15 <Belugas> a bit less expensive, by far :)
19:21:16 <Belugas> of course, 2.8 would be incredible.. but at what price...
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19:27:11 <Belugas> peter1138, unfortunately, in the SLR world, EVERYTHING is expensive
19:27:29 <Belugas> even more when you are using BRANDED items :S
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19:31:38 <tokai> Belugas: I just got a 20 EUR adapter which allows to connect lens in reverse position instead a almost 1000 EUR macro lens :) If you do it just for hobby that serves pretty well already. :)
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19:33:50 <Belugas> yeah! I've heard about those!
19:34:26 <tokai> No autofocus and adjusting aperture can be tricky... but you can make incredible pictures too.
19:34:38 <tokai> You actually get higher than 1:1
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19:37:26 <tokai> Belugas: the main problem is that it's not as comfortable to use than a dedicated lens, but it's a lot cheaper. If you don't mind experimenting a bit it's quite some fun too :)
19:37:41 <planetmaker> tokai: yeah, such stuff works surprisingly well
19:37:47 <Belugas> how do you adjust aperture?
19:37:58 <planetmaker> you need a manual lense for that
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19:38:34 <tokai> Belugas: either a manual lens or you set aperture before reversion objective
19:39:21 <planetmaker> tokai: I think that canon has open aperture usually. And only stops down when you ask it to or when it takes the image
19:39:21 <tokai> AV mode, set aperture... then press this little button at the side of camera (which blends down) and keep it pressed while disconnecting the lens, then it will get stuck on configured aperture
19:39:50 <planetmaker> not sure how well they like it, though ;-)
19:40:27 <Belugas> but but but... until the body triggers the shot, the aperture is wide open
19:40:33 <tokai> getting some old manual lens with right filter ring size is probably smarter choice
19:40:57 <tokai> (doesn't have to be a Canon lens... maybe some old Zeiss M42 lens.. you can get them for few bucks from eBay)
19:41:09 <Belugas> tokai, you're DOF preview would do the trick
19:41:16 * tokai is currently looking for one
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19:42:12 <tokai> Hopefully will arrive tomorrow.
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19:50:05 <SpComb^> hmm, how do I vote for the title game?
19:50:15 <SpComb^> seems a little difficult now that Rubidium dropped his screenshots
19:51:12 <Rubidium> I dropped the screenshots?
19:51:33 <SpComb^> the numbered series of saves/screenshots
19:52:50 <SpComb^> and very slow to load
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19:53:43 <SpComb^> same for `curl -4` as well
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20:49:56 <SpComb^> frosch123: too much effort to load the .sav's with the menu in place
20:50:37 <frosch123> why is the menu important?
20:51:21 <frosch123> but different stuff
20:51:26 <frosch123> you can even move it
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20:58:09 <planetmaker> hm... the overlay sprite which highlights reserved tracks in depots is 90° rotated. In both, OpenGFX and original base set
20:58:43 <planetmaker> any pointers where I should look for the cause?
20:58:57 <frosch123> the sprite is the same as for regular track
20:59:10 <planetmaker> on normal tracks it's ok
21:00:06 <frosch123> and it is not rotated
21:00:10 <frosch123> it is missing on direction
21:00:48 <frosch123> hmm, maybe that is intentional for the north directions
21:03:42 <planetmaker> I don't quite follow
21:03:58 <Wolf01> uhm... I start OTTD with -c myconfig.cfg, each time the game creates a new cfg in the folder, for example: openttd_(11).new
21:04:06 <frosch123> rail_cmd.cpp:2206 and 2207
21:05:27 <planetmaker> I guess you don't need a diff for that now :-)
21:07:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r19153 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#pm](r19056): PBS reservation was drawn incorrectly for depots.
21:08:02 <frosch123> so, invisble depots draw default track, but no newrail overlays
21:08:31 <planetmaker> hm. feature request ;-)
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21:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> man... ship bridges always look like escher paintings to me...
21:12:55 <planetmaker> frosch123: should I make a FS entry for "default tracks are drawn in invisible depots instead of overlay"?
21:13:51 <planetmaker> well... r19145. Has it, not?
21:14:23 <SmatZ> planetmaker: everything is possible :) I didn't know it's "reality" now :)
21:14:36 <frosch123> (the coding style interpretation is somewhat from thin air)
21:16:09 <planetmaker> Unfortunately I don't have right now a track set at hand...
21:16:23 <planetmaker> But... There's one new since yesterday on the devzone...
21:18:34 <planetmaker> let's install nutracks.grf :-)
21:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a nut rack?
21:19:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r19154 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Invisible depots draw the track, so also draw the overlays.
21:19:47 <planetmaker> a cupboard with many different kinds of nuts
21:20:15 <planetmaker> as opposed to the bol[t/d]rack :-P
21:20:55 <Prof_Frink> All you need are rock 5s.
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21:26:20 <planetmaker> oh oh. Another feature request: the tile info should definitely report which kind of rail is layed on a tile
21:27:45 <frosch123> the tileinfo shows only unimportant stuff
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21:29:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19155 /branches/1.0/ (32 files in 4 dirs):
21:29:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk:
21:29:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Invisible depots draw the track, so also draw the overlays (r19154)
21:29:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: PBS reservation was drawn incorrectly for depots (r19153)
21:29:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Move home directory to a better place in Haiku [FS#3625] (r19151)
21:29:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [v]seprintf should return the number of added characters excluding '\0' on truncation [FS#3627] (r19149, r19148)
21:31:13 <Eddi|zuHause> so... who is testing the 1.0-only fix when it's not in the nightlies, and no new beta or rc is released?
21:31:47 <SmatZ> that fix can't break anything
21:32:04 <SmatZ> unless code is extremely broken now :-p
21:32:55 <frosch123> but actually, if we do not release 1.0 we would also not have to test it
21:34:08 <planetmaker> frosch123: the overlay for reserved tracks now works for me for the depots where I can see the entry. But not for the other two. If I use new rail types
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21:34:16 <planetmaker> and invisible depots
21:34:48 <planetmaker> shall I upload to FS test game and grfs?
21:35:04 <frosch123> are you using 19153 or 19154?
21:35:29 <planetmaker> oh... wait. nvm me.
21:35:47 <planetmaker> started the binary from the wrong folder :S
21:36:53 <frosch123> hmm, i should put that on my list.
21:38:26 <frosch123> everytime some workmate mumbles something about "why does that still not work", another one asks "saved? compiled? restarted?"
21:38:47 <planetmaker> good questions actually
21:38:51 <frosch123> the chance is usually not that bad :p
21:39:20 <SmatZ> quite often I find myself running wrong binary, being in wrong directory or different shell window :-p
21:39:24 <__ln__> is there some IDE where you can compile without saving?
21:39:38 <planetmaker> SmatZ: yeah... that happend...
21:40:14 <planetmaker> 1 xterm is never enough ;-)
21:40:32 <SmatZ> when I get that suspicion, I deliberately do some syntax error
21:40:43 <SmatZ> if it compiles and runs fine, then there's something wrong :)
21:41:24 <frosch123> __ln__: if you edit in multiple projects in parallel there is nothing worse than an ide which relies no project files
21:43:03 <fonsinchen> In those OnTick_XY functions:
21:43:20 <fonsinchen> if ((_tick_counter + t->index) % XYZ == 0) ...
21:43:24 <fonsinchen> this is not optimal
21:43:57 <fonsinchen> you can as well do _tick_counter % XYZ and then repeatedly add XYZ and check if that's a valid ID
21:44:11 <fonsinchen> much cheaper, but has the same effect
21:45:21 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: how about t->index == XYZ
21:46:00 <fonsinchen> Each occurence by itself probably is negligible, but it happens at least at OnTick_Town and OnTick_Station and probably in other places, too.
21:49:58 <fonsinchen> OK, actually in OnTick_Station it cannot be avoided. My bad.
21:52:50 <planetmaker> ok, all is fine with the overlays, frosch123 :-). Thanks a bunch
22:02:31 <SmatZ> it could be avoided if items stored something like
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23:00:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19156 /branches/1.0/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [1.0] -Prepare: for 1.0.0-RC1
23:04:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19157 /tags/1.0.0-RC1/ (6 files in 5 dirs): -Release: 1.0.0-RC1
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23:18:55 <Rubidium> oh blathijs... where art thou?! :)
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