IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2010-01-22
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09:05:56 <Sevalecan> gotta love git bisect.
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09:06:31 <Sevalecan> I'm going to find where this bug came from if it's the last thing I do!
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09:32:16 <Celestar> how's everyone doing?
09:33:19 <planetmaker> Do I now have to say 'you' to you? ;-)
09:34:19 <Celestar> beeng tracking openttd a bit :)
09:34:31 <planetmaker> hehe. Old addictions die hard, eh?
09:34:43 <Celestar> I just didn't get around to coding
09:34:51 <__ln> first a Bjarni, now a Celestar. they reappear in alphabetical order.
09:34:55 <Celestar> might resume once my dissertation is finished :)
09:35:10 <planetmaker> oh, I thought it is by now :-)
09:35:32 <planetmaker> welcome to the club
09:35:45 <Celestar> doing 2.5 years of full time sysadmin takes its tool
09:36:00 <Celestar> plus I have a job :P
09:36:19 <planetmaker> not at the 'versity you do your diss?
09:36:38 <Celestar> I quit Uni last fall.
09:36:41 * roboboy wonders whats happening in Eurpoe
09:36:47 <planetmaker> oh. right. That kind of thing
09:36:56 <Celestar> doing real work now :P
09:37:00 <Celestar> software development, for a change.
09:37:27 <planetmaker> he. You were doing what before? Aerodynamics?
09:37:39 <Celestar> Aerospace Engineering
09:37:46 <peter1138> __ln, except hackykid as well...
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09:37:52 <Celestar> PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETER :D
09:41:41 <Rubidium> don't forget DV few months ago
09:42:11 <planetmaker> ghosts roaming these places :-P
09:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and truebrain after a few weeks of absence ;)
09:43:22 <peter1138> Celestar, i think we're a bit behind with cargodest ;(
09:47:22 <Rubidium> anyhow... /me waves to Celestar
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09:48:13 <Celestar> peter1138: slightly?
09:48:33 <Celestar> peter1138: about time we change it? :P
09:48:36 <Rubidium> Celestar: yeah, we're always using those words :)
09:48:50 <Rubidium> e.g. there has been a slight increase in traffic since 1.0.0-beta
09:50:01 <Celestar> peter1138: but maybe a rewrite is needded :P
09:50:58 <Eddi|zuHause> or a review of cargodist?
09:51:13 <Celestar> lost track of that project tbh
09:52:02 <Celestar> what are the 2 trendlines Rubidium ?
09:53:01 <Rubidium> one (the green one) is a 2 (or 4?) week average, the other is the trendline as OOcalc think it should be
09:53:27 * roboboy pokes his head back in again
09:54:19 <Celestar> both point upwards :P
09:55:04 <Rubidium> last page is blue number of content downloads, yellow number of MBs downloaded
09:55:38 <planetmaker> he. All downloading base sets, I guess at Christmas?
09:55:38 <Rubidium> yes... at busy days 30 GB is downloaded via the content download system alone
09:56:11 <Rubidium> actually, the downloads done by the installer isn't included in either figure
09:57:12 <Celestar> mesa liked the installed
10:00:37 * roboboy wonders what nfo stands for
10:01:10 <Rubidium> although there're probably enough backronyms to be found
10:02:33 <Wizzleby> you mean it doesn't just stand for 'info'? :)
10:03:53 <roboboy> and would you call it a programming language?
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10:08:52 <Celestar> it's turing complete is it not?
10:09:00 <planetmaker> ^ so, yes, it is :-)
10:13:00 <Eddi|zuHause> why would "turing complete" be a requirement for "programming language"?
10:13:28 <Celestar> it's not a requirement
10:13:33 <Celestar> it's an indicator :P
10:13:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and lack of loops is a bit problematic
10:14:21 <planetmaker> difference between necessary and sufficient
10:14:50 <Celestar> afaik turning complete is neither necessary nor sufficient :P
10:15:13 <Celestar> hm .. what IS the status of the Mac port?
10:15:33 <Rubidium> would it be acceptable if you laptop goes into uhm... thermal protected (i.e. kill itself) after 30 seconds of video playback?
10:15:52 <Celestar> Rubidium: if you play less .. hot videos, it might not (=
10:16:09 <Rubidium> but the daily show isn't that hot
10:16:13 <planetmaker> until someone picks it up again, I guess. With sufficient fevor and knowledge to become an official dev
10:16:19 <Rubidium> at least not hot enough to show on television here
10:16:41 <Celestar> maybe I should look at it :P
10:17:07 <Rubidium> you're a mac user now?
10:17:10 <planetmaker> many said that already...
10:17:32 <Celestar> Rubidium: nah I'm not, but I have access to macs.
10:18:35 * roboboy ponders trying to write a wikipedia artice for NFO
10:18:52 <Eddi|zuHause> from what i heard it's knowledge of mac api, not access to mac, that is the problem
10:18:54 <planetmaker> roboboy, wikipedia or the openttd wiki?
10:19:33 <planetmaker> then it will probably be classified as 'irrelevant' :-P
10:19:53 <Rubidium> roboboy: first find a number of good sources... otherwise they might quickly kill it again
10:22:51 <Sevalecan> Noldo: it took me until now to get the meaning of "I hope it's not" in response to my comment :P
10:23:12 <Sevalecan> I did find the revision the bug was introduced in without dying, though
10:23:54 <Celestar> why do they have to make DVD playback such a pita?
10:26:50 <roboboy> has it already been written and deleted?
10:26:50 <roboboy> is the TTDP wiki a good initial source?
10:26:54 <Rubidium> oh yes... this new motherboard really helps with my stability problems...
10:27:09 <Rubidium> roboboy: no, that's the primary source, not an independent secondary source
10:27:41 <roboboy> hm /me wonders where to find secondary sources on NFO
10:27:50 <Rubidium> just look at the openttd page discussion about merging with the transport tycoon page
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10:34:50 <Celestar> quite neat this VMWare Workstation 7
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11:04:02 <peter1138> MTBF: 294,928 hour(s)
11:04:06 <peter1138> isn't that a bit... specific?
11:05:37 <Sevalecan> mean time before failure?
11:07:15 <peter1138> is it me, or is that over 33 years?
11:11:39 <peter1138> i find that unlikely :)
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11:15:10 <Celestar> mean time between failures afaik
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11:21:24 <peter1138> yeah i know what MTBF means :)
11:25:38 <fjb> Be careful, it's a mean time.
11:26:31 <peter1138> yeah, that must mean in some cases it'll be much longer
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11:48:03 <SpComb^> "Unfortunately the university does not allow any external DNS entries, that means anything outside the .utwente.nl range, to point to any machine within the university's IP-range. That includes our server. This means that it is not possible for projects to create a 'ftp1.nl.project.tld' and let that DNS point to our server."
11:49:03 <Noldo> what does not allowing mean in practice?
11:49:45 <Rubidium> Noldo: just resolve ftp.nl.debian.org to an IP and reverse dns that to give you a clue
11:51:14 <Rubidium> on the other hand, OpenTTD's mirroring system doesn't strictly need it :)
11:51:35 <__ln> how do they not allow it for me, for example?
11:52:13 <Noldo> so they don't want to configure the reverse to from their ip range to outside their dns range
11:53:04 <Rubidium> ah well, I know at least TWO dnses not in .utwente.nl that resolve to 130.89.0.0/16: ftp.nl.debian.org and utwente.de
11:53:24 <Rubidium> but technically they don't allow it
11:53:36 <Noldo> what are they doing to stop it?
11:53:48 <Rubidium> by the looks of it not much
11:54:03 <Rubidium> but... the question is: what's pointing
11:54:25 <peter1138> you might end up in the wrong vhost :)
11:54:47 <Rubidium> nl.binaries.openttd.org CNAME ftp.snt.utwente.nl \n ftp.snt.utwente.nl A 130.89.149.20
11:55:04 <Rubidium> does that mean nl.binaries.openttd.org points to an IP within the 130.89.0.0/16 range?
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12:10:01 <peter1138> so, er, how do i set up ssh to require a password as well as keys?
12:17:45 <Sevalecan> is that even possible?
12:17:58 <Sevalecan> unless you have to give a password to the key when you make it..
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12:32:37 <TinoDidriksen> Yeah, you'd have to create the key locked with a password.
12:33:16 <TinoDidriksen> The whole point is that no password is sent over the wire.
12:38:42 <SpComb^> create a custom keyboard-interactive auth method that asks the user to type in their public key
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13:07:38 <Celestar> netsplits have not changed a bit :P
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13:09:17 <planetmaker> Celestar, they only are present when you're here :-P
13:09:53 <planetmaker> Like "what was that?" - "A plug" - "How do you know" - "I hold it in my hands :-P" ;-)
13:11:08 <planetmaker> joke aside, they're not that often, though. Bad timing, I guess
13:12:00 <peter1138> (sorry andythenorth)
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13:15:12 <planetmaker> oh. May I ask how? I read the commit, but...
13:15:33 <planetmaker> wait... HEQS has some bad sprites IIRC, right?
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14:03:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18885 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r18884): Industry tile layouts weren't completely freed on error.
14:19:38 <JVassie^> wheres the easiest place to get heightmaps of the uk from pls?
14:19:52 <JVassie^> anyone got any ideas?
14:20:23 <planetmaker> google maps? NASA? ESA?
14:20:39 <Noldo> aren't there some heightmap threads in the forums
14:20:51 <planetmaker> ^ might be even easier ;-)
14:20:56 <planetmaker> or even on bananas
14:21:07 <JVassie^> not looking for all of UK
14:21:35 <planetmaker> ok, easiest: your government bureau of cartography
14:21:40 <planetmaker> But it will cost you
14:22:08 <planetmaker> tsk tsk. All those nasty boundary conditions
14:22:11 <planetmaker> And online even, too
14:23:28 <planetmaker> honestly, check out NASA (afair). They have global DEM at ~km scale. But it needs of course processing to something useful for OpenTTD
14:23:43 <JVassie^> i have the thread handy
14:23:52 <JVassie^> using microdem or whatever its called
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14:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> my new computer is here \o/
14:28:07 <Noldo> my son really likes the touchscreen
14:29:31 <planetmaker> good to have it bookmarked. Bad to have it in a pile of hundret bookmarks ;-)
14:30:04 <Eddi|zuHause> question: install first, or put hard drives in it first?
14:30:31 <planetmaker> and then boot from new ;-)
14:32:26 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i doubt that is a good idea :p
14:32:57 <planetmaker> but I wonder why you would want to start the new machine without HDD.
14:33:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it does have A hard drive in it
14:34:08 <planetmaker> well, if it is sufficient as system partition. Why not use it as such?
14:34:17 <planetmaker> having that separate is not a bad idea anyway.
14:34:30 <Noldo> I would put all hard drives in first
14:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> well. i'd rather reuse one of the existing partitioned disks as system, so i could use that one in full...
14:35:28 <planetmaker> then I'd follow Noldo's advice
14:40:37 <rait> hello. me again with the mysterious exit freeze on server 2008 r2. this time it's beta3. any point in uploading the dump?
14:41:50 <Noldo> it freezes when you click quit ?
14:45:22 <rait> hmm, probablly different bug, mine seems to be caused by windows's sound system not releasing a channel or something.
14:45:47 <rait> i'm not a dev, but i think it is unrelated to my freeze
14:47:00 <rait> do you have any steps to reproduce?
14:48:53 <rait> as in openttd 1.0.0-beta3
14:49:53 <rait> who was it addressed to?
14:54:19 <planetmaker> rait, the question is: do you have a sure way to reproduce that behaviour?
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14:58:40 <Luukland> Ahum, I reported some graphical glitches some days ago in the nightlies
14:58:44 <Luukland> but they are still excisting
14:59:08 <Luukland> when leaving a game/leaving multiplayer, huge graphic errors, win32, win 7, latest nightly
15:00:13 <peter1138> hmm, don't see any FS report
15:00:39 <Luukland> For these things? :)
15:02:41 <Luukland> Ah no, I can't ;) I deleted my account :p
15:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what did you do that for?
15:05:41 <Luukland> None of your business
15:10:17 <peter1138> silly RIPE, sending invoices that have already been paid
15:11:19 <planetmaker> he. But maybe accounting needs that for whatever purpose...
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15:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'm out for a while...
15:19:38 <luckz> is there btw anything to help distinguish what trains belong to which train set, if you have like 300?
15:20:18 <luckz> also, for using multiple vehicle grfs, is there one to get the default vehicles back/in too?
15:22:03 <Elessar> 300 trains. I am only beginning with OpenTTD (and *TTD, by the way), and I do not know hopw you can manage them.
15:22:47 <planetmaker> luckz, use the grf which provides the default vehicles (again)
15:22:56 <planetmaker> Most vehicle newgrfs deactivate the default ones.
15:23:13 <peter1138> just turn off multiple vehicle sets and stop loading so many
15:26:26 <Rubidium> rait: does your system have a sound card? If so, which one?
15:26:46 <luckz> planetmaker: I don't see "the grf which provides the default vehicles" in my Available NewGRF Files window, so.. do I have to make a copy of trg*.grf somewhere else, or ..?
15:27:09 <Yexo> luckz: no, you have to download origveh.grf
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15:34:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18886 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r18884): Spurious casting
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15:39:39 <rait> planetmaker: i have no way's to reproduce it, at least nothing that is 100% reliable
15:40:14 <rait> i only see this after playing sessions, ant they usually take hours. no way to tell what trigers it
15:40:33 <planetmaker> rait, if you have a non-reliable way it's better than none ;-)
15:41:00 <planetmaker> as long as the non-reliable way is... faster than hours ;-)
15:41:20 <planetmaker> e.g. do A, do B, do C, then D and with 70% you get a hang
15:41:21 <rait> Rubidium, only the one integrated on the mobo
15:41:58 <rait> planetmaker, if there is one, i haven't found it yet
15:43:23 <rait> Rubidium, motherboard is Asus M3N-hd/hdmi if that helps. a real beast with a total of 4 ways to output audio
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15:47:01 <rait> okay, just found a way to reproduce it. seems to be 100% and no problems with '-s null'
15:48:31 <rait> steps: 1. start 2. load a game 3. change the windows default audio output 4. save game 5. exit 6. freeze
15:49:14 <rait> just tested, you can skip steps 2 and 4
15:50:06 <rait> can anyone test this and verify?
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15:51:17 <planetmaker> just for curiosity: what is "window default audio output 4"? I usually have one... and that's the speakers
15:51:37 <glx> rait: like changing from speaker to digital ?
15:52:02 <rait> in my case from speakers to hdmi or back
15:52:37 <glx> I have only speaker and digital ;)
15:52:41 <rait> planetmaker, i have 4 audio outputs, 2 of them disabled. 4 is actually the fourth step in this case
15:54:11 <Luukland> thx for fixing the graphic errors peter1138 :)
15:54:51 <rait> glx, can you reproduce the freeze?
15:55:12 <glx> I try with trunk directly
16:01:41 <rait> if this ends up with a complaint to M$, i'll be happy to sign it :)
16:04:18 <peter1138> Luukland, what fix?
16:06:27 <SpComb^> woo, tracking some external .patch in a branch: git revert --no-commit && git apply ...
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16:08:28 <wysiwtf> im thinking about how hard it would be to add other "networks" to ottd
16:08:42 <wysiwtf> like a power and a data-network
16:09:31 <wysiwtf> building it could be like building tracks, but there would be no vehicles but a throuhput of the track itself
16:10:13 <wysiwtf> would that be possible with existing grf toolkits or would the core-app need to be touched
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16:17:50 <luckz> SpComb^: what exactly does your (almost-)everything build contain? besides the two obvious biggies, IS & CD..
16:18:26 <SpComb^> luckz: nah... it's stuff from my openttd/patches/ dir, as in my thread in the dev forum
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16:19:23 <SpComb^> gathers: reading this diff-diff, I see you made some changes to the add-20ms-bit?
16:19:39 <luckz> the one with variable daylength, town growth, timetable-autofilling, towncargostuff, name length limit, minus the changes post jan11? or a different thread?
16:21:07 <gathers> SpComb^: from the previous patch? yes, I removed it from one place where it wasn't needed
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16:23:57 <SpComb^> might be imagining it but the wait times do seem a tad shorter
16:26:38 <gathers> possible, or atleast they shoud get shorter faster
16:31:38 <SpComb^> is there a 1.0 branch for git?
16:33:53 <Yexo> there is no 1.0 branch currently, so not for git either
16:35:58 <SpComb^> seems like the tag-commits don't go into git?
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16:36:28 <SpComb^> just wondering if it's possible to build a release version off git
16:37:46 <TrueBrain> release tags are not exported to git or mercurial
16:37:57 <SpComb^> well yes, r18871 isn't in git :(
16:38:58 <Yexo> r18871 isn't tagged with the svn version in mercurial either, maybe something went wrong with git too
16:39:52 <peter1138> most likely git/hg only track trunk?
16:40:02 <peter1138> branches being handled differently in svn
16:40:05 <TrueBrain> no, they also track branches
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16:42:46 <TrueBrain> normal git/hg tags btw don't work: tags in subversion are not clean tags, there are changes while tagging .. a bit nasty way of tagging, but it works :)
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17:03:09 <rait> seems that openttd isn't the only thing i manage to crash
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17:11:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so at least that part worked...
17:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause> two hours to move the hard drives, and get the old computer running again...
17:12:36 <Eddi|zuHause> question: how does one steer two computers with one mouse?
17:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and this hard disk is really loud... i should have chosen a different one...
17:13:55 <fjb> Steer to ebay and get e second mouse.
17:14:47 <fjb> What hard disk is it? Some anti vibration stuff may help.
17:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause> not worth it... some old WD with 120GB
17:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and the colours are totally off when i attach the TFT via VGA cable...
17:16:37 <fjb> Colors on TFT are always off.
17:16:42 <SpComb^> someone broke your computer?
17:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i bought a new one
17:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so i connected the new one via DVI and the old one via VGA to the same monitor
17:21:09 <fjb> Sounds like the vga port of the monitor is crap.
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17:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> might be the cable...
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17:37:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so, i have now two computers, one monitor, two keyboards and one-and-a-half mice... i'm getting hopelessly confused
17:38:30 <Alberth> give one computer away
17:38:42 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you always have problems, don't you? :p
17:39:58 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: you don't want or need two desktops
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17:41:03 <Goulp> eddi: what should i say with 4 computers, 1 with display,keyb,mouse and others without display keyb and mouse...
17:41:14 <Terkhen> I converted my old desktop in a server that I never use
17:41:24 <SpComb^> yes, that's how you're supposed to do it
17:41:31 <Goulp> hopfully they have network cable and remote connection
17:42:59 <SpComb^> uh oh, my WS2008 VM somehow managed to corrupt itself
17:43:48 <fjb> Wer have 2010, no wonder WS2008 doesn't work anymore.
17:43:51 <thingwath> I wonder where my second computer is. It doesn't answer on network.
17:44:41 <SpComb^> which is somewhat annoying
17:44:58 <SpComb^> since the only snapshot of it that I have is from before I set up VS2008
17:45:28 <Eddi|zuHause> lack of backup strategy...
17:45:38 <Rubidium> WS = Wisual Studio? or Windows Server?
17:45:48 <SpComb^> WS = Windows Server, VS = Visual Studio
17:45:54 <fjb> And time to set up somethning more stable.
17:46:41 <SpComb^> didn't anticipate it corrupting its login GUI dlls
17:52:20 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a virus gone haywire
17:54:17 <SpComb^> disk error in my virtual machine? :o
17:56:48 <Alberth> that's a good emulation :p
17:56:56 <luckz> what do you use VS for?
17:57:08 * SpComb^ searches for the "random disk errors" check box in his VirtualBox setup
17:57:33 <Rubidium> SpComb^: all it requires is a somewhat flaky CPU or motherboard
17:57:54 <Alberth> of course there isn't one. Did you ever find such a switch at your HD?
17:59:04 <fjb> You find it inside. Just open the case.
17:59:28 <Belugas> don't try this at home, kids. those guys are professionals
18:00:51 <fjb> We are good at giving good advises.
18:01:45 <Rubidium> actually, the last time I opened a HDD it became better than it was before
18:02:13 <TrueBrain> I tried it last week, but it never came back :p
18:02:42 <Rubidium> although that was like 15 years ago with an already 10 year old HDD (1 GB SCSI 2x5.25")
18:03:05 <Rubidium> that uhm... was in a remodelling (i.e. lots of dust) environment
18:03:29 <Rubidium> opening it and putting some oil on the bearings did help
18:03:55 <TrueBrain> I did learn not to spin up a 7200rpm HD when it is open .. it is SCARY!
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18:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> did it cause death? :p
18:06:02 <TrueBrain> Yeah, they have internet there too
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18:29:03 <Ammler> someone else tried to install beta3 on windows? (download of [g|s]fx failed
18:29:53 <luckz> don't think I ever tried the installer, no
18:30:34 <Ammler> if you have windows, could you try, so we can confirm issues, maybe with the new mirroring system
18:31:25 <Ammler> now, who does bugreport :-)
18:31:45 <Forked> not me, sorry. Dinnertime
18:32:49 <SpComb^> why is the DirectX SDK 2007 installer an .msi inside a self-extracting .exe inside a self-extracting .exe?
18:32:49 <peter1138> it would make a change ;p
18:33:06 <peter1138> because microsoft are strange
18:34:03 <SpComb^> they should just distribute the samples separately and they'd save 80% of the bandwidth
18:34:12 <Ammler> where shall I report it to? (Website, so Truebrain will see it..)
18:35:59 <Ammler> Yexo, will you report, you seem already have the solution?
18:36:09 <Yexo> I don't have the solution
18:36:13 <Rubidium> Yexo: try binaries.openttd.org/installer/opengfx-0.7.7z (or whatever install.nsi says)
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18:39:00 <Rubidium> so for some reason it can't follow the mirror's redirect
18:42:21 <peter1138> "GET /binaries/installer/opengfx-0.7.0.7z HTTP/1.1" 200 2842360 "-" "NSISDL/1.2 (Mozilla)"
18:42:28 <peter1138> NSISDL is the installer?
18:42:58 <peter1138> it was working this morning then
18:43:13 <peter1138> though that might not've been beta3
18:44:28 <Yexo> beta2 doesn't work either
18:45:04 <Rubidium> there's someone on the forum that claims it doesn't work either
18:45:26 <Rubidium> although... that it worked for peter1138 might also be some transparent proxy "doing the right thing"
18:45:45 <peter1138> that's just the log, i never tried it myself
18:45:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18887 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)
18:45:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 120 changes by Tvel
18:45:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: catalan - 4 changes by arnau
18:45:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_
18:45:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by glx
18:45:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by planetmaker
18:45:59 <peter1138> does 0.7.5 have the downloader too?
18:47:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18888 /trunk/src/table/ (sprites.h town_land.h): -Codechange: Rename PALETTE_59[EF] to something more meaningful.
18:59:55 <SpComb^> curious how VS doesn't seem to offer any way to abort a running build
19:00:13 <Rubidium> it does, under the build thing (ctrl-break/end or something)
19:01:23 <SpComb^> although hmm, I'm really starting to think that VirtualBox is broken... "G:\...\objs\Win32\Release is not accessible. The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable."
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19:03:34 <devilsadvocate> hi, not sure if this is where i should be asking, but is the powerplant in the ECS newGRFs broken? the stantion nears it doesnt accept coal/oil...
19:04:48 <George> devilsadvocate: When? first 3 days of game - should not. Oil should not be accepted before 1950-th
19:05:28 <devilsadvocate> it seems to accept only passengers :\
19:05:38 <devilsadvocate> oh, it takes 3 days
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19:06:21 <George> the same for the most of the industries
19:06:25 <devilsadvocate> also, is the japanese trainset capable of handling the cargoes in the ECS vectors?
19:06:36 <devilsadvocate> or should i get URKS as well
19:06:55 <devilsadvocate> i cant seem to find anything that says it can, so i suppose that means it cant
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19:25:34 <TrueBrain> glx / Ammler : probe
19:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a way to move a program from one display to another?
19:30:00 <TrueBrain> In linux? As in, from :1001 to :1002?
19:30:10 <TrueBrain> or do you want my catchy answer: with the mouse! :p
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19:30:23 <TrueBrain> there are a few apps which can try to move applications, but most applications do not support it and segfault when you do
19:30:36 <TrueBrain> applications have to implement some X11 command, which most do no
19:31:46 <TrueBrain> can't remember the tool who could do it :(
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19:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause> different approach, if i ssh -X into a computer, and open programs there, can i make it so the programs stay alive when i quit SSH, and reappear when i reconnect?
19:35:05 <TrueBrain> most applications segfault if they can't communicate with the X11 anymore
19:35:16 <TrueBrain> you can try putting them to sleep (CTRL+Z)
19:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> well, can't ssh keep alive the X server?
19:35:33 <TrueBrain> the only real solution I found was NoMachines NXServer
19:36:00 <TrueBrain> it fakes a whole X11 login, and forwards you the screen (in an efficient way)
19:36:09 <TrueBrain> an other solution would be VNCServer, but that is much more inefficient
19:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i should just throw mythtv on the box and put it somewhere i don't remember...
19:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause> ... i hate "bogus" progress bars that just go back and forth without displaying any actual progress...
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19:40:40 * Eoin is now officially certified by Microsoft!
19:41:13 <TrueBrain> owh, you are proud at it?
19:41:30 <TrueBrain> can't imagine why .. but everyone his/her fun
19:42:13 <Eoin> it means i can say i acheived something from college
19:43:34 <TrueBrain> I wish I wouldn't receive an email with a complaint, and the two people who are referred in it to know more, not being here :p
19:43:50 <TrueBrain> all this trouble of joining this channel .. all the typing
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19:53:54 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the complaint?
19:54:10 <TrueBrain> binaries balancer and windows installer
19:54:17 <TrueBrain> my guess is it doesn't understand HTTP Code 307
19:55:54 <Yexo> you miseed a few more complains when you in the time you left irc :p
19:56:27 <TrueBrain> I am sure I missed many more :) I only care about the ones people take the effort to let me know ;)
20:04:25 <SpComb^> some kind of persistent re-attachable XServer proxy
20:04:44 <TrueBrain> any form of that fails more than it works
20:04:46 <SpComb^> (like, should exist in an ideal world)
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20:08:23 <glx> [20:25:46] <TrueBrain> glx / Ammler : probe <-- yes ?
20:09:27 <TrueBrain> glx: you know more about windows installer issues?
20:09:31 <TrueBrain> (downloading stuff)
20:10:12 <glx> I just know it's an nsis plugin
20:10:42 <TrueBrain> Rubidium told me it currently fails with the new balancer code, and that you might be able to help out testing?
20:11:32 <glx> yes I can test running the installer (but I'm fighting with a deadlock bug ;) )
20:11:52 <SpComb^> I'd test it but my mouse cursor is broken
20:12:02 <TrueBrain> those windows users just wait :) Mwhaha ;)
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20:14:18 <peter1138> Eoin is "certified"?
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20:14:35 <TrueBrain> peter1138: you got my requests yesterday? Mostly about changing the rdns of the ip?
20:14:55 <TrueBrain> can you change the rdns from uk to gb.binaries.openttd.org
20:15:10 <TrueBrain> we are phasing out 'uk.binaries.openttd' rather fast
20:15:19 <TrueBrain> GB is your landcode, sorry .. complain to ISO if you don't like it
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20:15:36 <TrueBrain> and I had another request, which I forgot ..... sad
20:18:29 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I am no windows pro, can't help you more, just felt over it as I setup openttd on a windows..., back at KDE now, but if needed I can test again...
20:18:43 <TrueBrain> I need someone to test it a few times, so I can test different replies
20:21:59 <Ammler> Well, I can do that from vbox...
20:23:10 <peter1138> TrueBrain, done, btw
20:28:56 <SpComb^> ridiculous how people seem to expect you have some dying language such as Perl 5 installed!
20:29:31 <Ammler> "Downloading of OpenGFX failed"
20:30:00 <Ammler> Downloading OpenSFX failed
20:30:02 <TrueBrain> owh, now it even fails in FF :p
20:31:17 <TrueBrain> problem is I need to send a 301, not a 307
20:31:23 <TrueBrain> (perm, instead of temp)
20:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause> why does the phrase "now?" ... "and now?" ... cause the reaction of "DONKEY!!"?
20:31:59 <TrueBrain> Ammler: can you run it again?
20:32:02 <Yexo> detect the useragent of the installer and send a 301 in that case and 307 in all other cases?
20:32:14 <TrueBrain> Yexo: exactly my plan :)
20:33:00 <Ammler> now it was a bit other, it had a long timeout
20:33:06 <TrueBrain> yeah, was modifying
20:33:21 <TrueBrain> hit it again please
20:33:50 <TrueBrain> k, 301 for everything that starts with NSISDL in user-agent
20:33:54 <TrueBrain> 307 for all the other sane people in the world
20:34:31 <TrueBrain> excluding Eddi|zuHause of course :)
20:34:32 <Ammler> maybe you can configure NSIS?
20:34:47 <TrueBrain> I think NSIS simply did not implement 307, but only 301
20:34:51 <TrueBrain> while they are of the same spec ..
20:35:02 <TrueBrain> bah, now the balance-tree has to retrain itself ... takes more than 24 hours :p
20:36:44 <TrueBrain> k, fine-tuned the algorithm a bit .. but so far it seems to work as intended :)
20:37:20 <TrueBrain> glx: problem already fixed ;) Good luck with your deadlock :(
20:37:52 <TrueBrain> if only that was true
20:38:16 <Ammler> and of course to request this and that...
20:40:07 <Ammler> btw. why I am redirected to gb, isn't nl closer?
20:40:47 <TrueBrain> nl no longer exist; and 'master' is being offloaded as much as possible
20:40:48 <Ammler> or is that "balancing" :-)
20:40:54 <TrueBrain> we should have a new nl by the end of next week
20:41:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought we have friday...
20:41:38 <TrueBrain> but even with it, you have a good chance ending up at a nearby mirror like GB or CZ
20:42:12 <Ammler> indeed, cz would also be nearer
20:42:29 <TrueBrain> CZ is much more loaded, so it offloads to GB :p
20:42:52 <TrueBrain> in the last 5 minutes, 27 requests were for CZ, 5 for GB (0 for NL/Master)
20:43:24 <TrueBrain> I hope some mirror comes for Asia soon, so that traffic stays there too as much as possible
20:43:46 <TrueBrain> Australia would be nice too ..
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20:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> could check the japanese forum if someone there can host a mirror?
20:46:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't speak japanese ;)
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20:47:14 <Eddi|zuHause> there might be a person in here that visited japan for a while :p
20:47:31 <TrueBrain> I think that person has enough other things to do
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20:55:12 <SpComb^> svn revert -R "$wc" && for file in $(svn status "$wc" | grep -e '^?' | cut -b 9-); do rm -r "$file"; done
20:55:21 <SpComb^> perfectly safe, guaranteed not to delete anything important :)
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21:02:18 <lennard> *a*round, not round :P
21:02:29 <TrueBrain> I am not known for my reading
21:02:38 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: get ready to get to yer SS then :P
21:02:46 * lennard would like to have a not-so-slow chat about the whole mirror stuff in private if at all possible ;)
21:03:05 <lennard> mail can get so cumbersome ;)
21:03:40 <TrueBrain> and hello Belugas :)
21:04:15 <Belugas> hello my friend :) as i can see, you have not ost your humour over time ;)
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21:21:39 <TrueBrain> all gives a good hand to lennard for trying to get us a NL mirror :)
21:23:20 <TrueBrain> boring crowd here tonight ..
21:23:25 <lennard> also, your topic is weird
21:23:39 <lennard> but I'm sure y'all knew that
21:24:12 <lennard> its formatting suggest a list of key->value pairs, but I don't see sense in it
21:24:21 <Xaroth> because there's that many subdomains :P
21:24:21 <lennard> unless the al are values for *
21:24:24 <lennard> that might make sense
21:24:32 <Eoin> IPv6, this company want to hurry up and set me up a tunnel :D
21:24:58 <lennard> don't try to hurry sixxs, they'll smell it and make you wait :P
21:25:07 <TrueBrain> and some cocky people work there :s
21:25:13 <TrueBrain> tried to get an OpenTTD account and a personal account
21:25:19 <TrueBrain> after 7 mails, he still didn't understand
21:25:22 <lennard> very knowledgeable, too, but cocky
21:25:23 <TrueBrain> (or didn't want to)
21:25:45 <TrueBrain> I am happy to say OpenTTD now runs native IPv6, so I don't have to deal with that anymore :)
21:25:54 <lennard> are you sure you really want to do openttd-stuff over... right, that
21:26:04 <lennard> I wouldnt risk non-native for 'production'
21:26:18 <lennard> well, that is to say, I wouldn't advise it, I still do it myself
21:26:22 <TrueBrain> LeaseWeb was so nice to connect us as one of the first :)
21:26:37 <lennard> they can be nice if they want to :)
21:26:43 <TrueBrain> They are mostly nice to us :)
21:28:04 <Eoin> <DJ_Danni> Hey when i try to run Tycoon i get error in DPLAY.DLL
21:28:04 <fjb> Maybe they use OpenTTD to simulate their network.
21:28:12 <Eoin> DJ_Danni ask in the openttd channel :)
21:28:26 <Xaroth> I think LeaseWeb has bigger fish than ottd :P
21:28:37 <TrueBrain> I sure they do; still, they treat us nice :)
21:28:56 <lennard> yeah.. you do know its just because they love to play ttd, right? :)
21:29:15 <TrueBrain> pretty sure they do :)
21:29:29 <Xaroth> people with no sense of awesome
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21:52:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18889 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Use (GroundSprite|SpriteLayout)PaletteTransform() also for drawing of default industries. They are compatible since the bubblegenerator is also randomly recoloured.
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22:15:29 <Xaroth> Rubidium: you almost had him killed :P
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22:21:09 <Eddi|zuHause> why did nobody ever complain that the bubble generator was changed from original TTD behaviour? :p
22:21:21 <peter1138> that would require railtypes with no engine
22:21:39 <peter1138> s/complain/notice/ ?
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22:32:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18890 /trunk/src/unmovable_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Unify drawing of foundations for MP_UNMOVABLE.
22:33:35 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: because sirkoz only plays temperate
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22:53:57 <SpComb^> hmm... findversion.sh's CLEAN_VER still includes the 'M' flag?
22:56:09 <SpComb^> what zip binary does the Makefile.bundle.in use?
22:57:11 <Eddi|zuHause> whichever is in the path, i presume...
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23:01:44 <Rubidium> sorry for banning you HerzogDeXtEr; didn't see feedback from banning Heavnraiser and tab completion kinda failed
23:05:17 <DorpsGek> Muxy: petert was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <PeterT> No what?
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23:25:58 <SpComb^> it would be convenient if findversion.sh also printed out the plain rev/branch without the 'M' as a fifth param
23:27:06 <SpComb^> also very annoying... findversion.sh takes the "Last changed Rev:" off the src\ dir, so if there's a rev that doesn't touch src/, it ignores it...
23:27:18 <SpComb^> but I guess that's intentional?
23:27:35 <Rubidium> yes, that's intentional
23:27:44 <Rubidium> because the network protocol doesn't change between them
23:29:30 <Rubidium> but a modified branch, what are you using that for?
23:30:13 <SpComb^> I just mean it'd be useful to get a "this build was based off rXXXXX" rev for my use-case
23:31:31 <Rubidium> that way it works for mercurial stuff too
23:33:52 <SpComb^> true, didn't quite see that one
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23:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... but somehow computer A can output its sound on computer B via network, right?
23:55:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18891 /trunk/src/spriteloader/png.cpp: -Fix: Avoid duplicate path separator when searching for PNG files which prevented tar-lookups.
23:55:55 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: pulseaudio
23:56:15 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: ah, I get it, you're trying to use your old computer as a headless server :)
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23:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably just forget it, but the problem is the DVB-S card doesn't fit in the new one
23:57:04 <SpComb^> what I do is run mocp/spotify over ssh on my headless server (hooked up to speakers)
23:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> (they advertised a PCI slot, but it's blocked by the GPU fan)
23:58:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and the fan seems very loud...
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