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00:17:12  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r18451 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix (r18360): LDFLAGS could contain different compiler flags than CFLAGS when compiling strgen (Rubidium)

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01:07:00  <Pullu> hey all, I have a problem. At some moment my trains in huge station started to wait. After finishing loading but before moving one they wait for 10 days

01:07:13  <Pullu> it's a really weird bug

01:07:19  <Pullu> do you know a cure against it?

01:07:30  <De_Ghosty> the cure to any bug is

01:07:32  <De_Ghosty> ask a doctor

01:07:33  <De_Ghosty> :o

01:07:49  <Pullu> any doctors here?

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01:09:34  <Pullu> ok I'm back, did I miss any solutions to that?

01:13:11  <Pullu> anybody here at all?

01:16:18  <Eddi|zuHause> Pullu: did you set a timetable?

01:16:19  <fjb> No

01:16:25  <Pullu> nope

01:16:35  <Eddi|zuHause> Pullu: are you sure?

01:16:48  <fjb> Or set to full load?

01:17:06  <fjb> Oh, after finish loading.

01:17:58  <Pullu> yes sure, I just checked, no timetable

01:18:03  <Pullu> no full load

01:18:06  <Pullu> just usual load

01:18:30  <Pullu> 100% usual load, no special orders on those trains

01:19:18  <Pullu> I have 2 huge stations that loads of small trains feed bunch of long ones. Now the long ones are just waiting before leaving station

01:19:45  <Pullu> they sit there, the load % next to train shows 100% but they don't leave

01:20:27  <sparrL> any unusual activity on signals beyond the station?

01:20:42  <sparrL> what is the status of the train?  i mean, if you click the train, what does the bottom of the window say?

01:20:54  <sparrL> during those 10 days, that is

01:21:34  <Pullu> it shows loading

01:21:56  <Eddi|zuHause> Pullu: which version are you using?

01:22:16  <Eddi|zuHause> if the answer is 0.7.4 or r184xx then provide a savegame

01:22:17  <Pullu> I had an older nightly before, now swiched to new one, nothing changed

01:22:28  <Pullu> r18449

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01:29:19  <Ammler> Pullu: is your train longer than the station plattform?

01:29:31  <Pullu> nopw

01:29:32  <Pullu> no

01:29:40  <Pullu> It's as long as station

01:29:51  <Pullu> and those trains were visiting the same station before without any problems

01:30:24  <Ammler> maybe you changed from rail to erail

01:30:34  <Ammler> and the new locks are erail :-)

01:30:59  <Ammler> -c

01:32:05  <Ammler> ah, they load, ok forget my last tip :-)

01:32:58  <Pullu> yeah, it doesn't look like there is a problem with tracks or smth, they just load in station

01:35:21  <Ammler> if you skip the order, they go the other station?

01:35:48  <Pullu> yes

01:37:14  <Eddi|zuHause> man... compiling takes fricking forever...

01:38:10  <Eddi|zuHause> closing in on 15 minutes

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01:41:46  <Pullu> the weird thing is that only the long trains (they are on their own tracks and own part of station) are waiting

01:41:50  <Pullu> not short ones...

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01:44:28  <Eddi|zuHause> but they do have a timetable

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01:50:40  <Pullu> ? I never put them any timetables. I'm absolutely sure...

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01:53:23  <Eddi|zuHause> but you did.

01:54:52  <sparrL> Eddi|zuHause: how do you know?

01:55:06  <Eddi|zuHause> i have eyes?

01:55:28  <Pullu> but Eddi, it all worked well before, no delays anywhere

01:55:42  <Pullu> and there are 2 sets of trains with separate orders

01:55:44  <Eddi|zuHause> Pullu: maybe your trains got faster?

01:55:51  <Pullu> (inner and outer line)

01:56:22  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, they're telling stuff like "700 ticks early"

01:56:43  <Eddi|zuHause> which is basically your "10 days delay" [10 days = 740 ticks]

01:56:46  <Pullu> there are even no depots on the line, and this is only type or train that I have in the game...

01:57:05  <Pullu> well thanks anyways

01:57:12  <Pullu> sorry for all the trouble...

01:57:40  <Eddi|zuHause> [i hate it when i'm right the first time, and nobody believes me...]

01:58:00  <Eddi|zuHause> [i always get reminded of "have you tried turning it off and on again?"]

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02:34:28  <bobo_b> hi there

02:35:05  <bobo_b> does anyone know if the server works on mac yet?

02:39:01  <glx> why would they not work ?

02:49:32  <bobo_b> well, it didn't work 6 months ago

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05:59:48  <pw-> i just found out about 0 AD

05:59:58  <pw-> i am now way excited

06:21:35  <sparrL> there was no 0AD :-p

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07:04:09  <pw-> yeah, and mario isn't a real plumber, either

07:04:18  <pw-> doesn't mean i enjoy his games any less

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08:01:56  <Goulp> @seen Belugas

08:01:57  <DorpsGek> Goulp: Belugas was last seen in #openttd 11 hours, 18 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Belugas> lol

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10:16:41  <Terkhen> hello

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10:29:24  <edeca> Is there a place that explains how to load balance road vehicles amongst drive through stops?

10:29:52  <peter1138> 1) build drive through stops

10:29:55  <peter1138> 2) build vehicles

10:29:59  <peter1138> 3) profit

10:30:38  <edeca> Yes, except I build 2 side by side and they always go to the nearest :)

10:30:47  <edeca> I'd like to load balance them across multiple stops

10:31:53  <Gremnon> I believe there was a commit recently that fixed that, if you're using a more recent nightly, you should be getting the effects of it

10:32:04  <Rubidium> see known-bugs.txt; it's a known bug, although fixed in recent trunk/nightlies

10:32:06  <planetmaker> edeca, you should test a recent nightly (<1 week old)

10:32:21  <edeca> I grabbed a nightly a few days ago and it happens.  I'll download a new one tonight.

10:32:32  <edeca> Thanks all.

10:33:05  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: you forgot the "?"

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10:42:46  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18452 /trunk/known-bugs.txt: -Document: update the known-bugs a bit; quite a few bugs in there are fixing in trunk already.

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11:17:09  <edeca> Is NewStations like the industrial stations set, but for passengers?  Or is it just a replacement for the original station?

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11:17:20  * edeca is looking for something similar to industrial stations

11:20:44  <peter1138> not sure what you mean

11:20:50  <peter1138> it's a set of passenger station parts

11:21:39  <edeca> Yep, that would be great.

11:21:42  <edeca> Thanks peter

11:22:09  <edeca> I meant I was looking for something similar to the industrial station renewal, where you can build stations from bits.

11:22:37  * edeca hopes it has a First Capital Connect station part featuring hordes of angry delayed passengers

11:24:47  <edeca> Hrm, I'll have to start a new game though.  Ho hum

11:25:26  <Eddi|zuHause> you can freely add station newgrfs to an existing game

11:25:35  <Eddi|zuHause> only removing may have side effects

11:25:50  <edeca> Ah, excellent.  How about newships too?  I forgot those when I started :)

11:26:02  <Noldo> trust Eddi e's an expert

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11:28:21  <peter1138> vehicle newgrfs are not safe to add midgame

11:28:40  <edeca> That's what I presumed.  Thanks.

11:28:50  <Eddi|zuHause> ... but you can probably get away with it while you have no vehicles

11:28:52  <Gremnon> that doesn't mean that it's impossible, just unsafe and not recommended

11:28:54  <edeca> AdmiralAI is beating me right now anyway, I need an excuse for a new game :)

11:29:18  <edeca> And I'm not playing with enough ECS industries.  My first game had waaay too many

11:29:23  * edeca forgot you shouldn't add them all

11:29:48  <Gremnon> I don't know... I manage pretty well with all ECS Vectors on CargoDist

11:30:10  <edeca> Gremnon: I just found there were way too many industries on the map, even when it was set to "low"

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11:30:37  <peter1138> i tried ecs once

11:30:38  <Gremnon> Ah, I use very low, or none, set up a pax network, and wait for them to start themselves

11:30:42  <peter1138> that was once enough

11:30:46  <Gremnon> then just fund a few more, and one instant chain

11:31:01  <Eddi|zuHause> use PBI, way better...

11:31:04  <edeca> peter1138: How come?

11:31:09  <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: I'll try it

11:31:11  <Gremnon> PBI with the brick chain isn't bad either, the stockpiles get to be a bit of a pain though

11:31:25  <peter1138> indeed, i like pbi

11:31:50  <Gremnon> FIRS I've tried... but I've never really got on well with, ECS is what I come back to every time

11:32:02  <edeca> I haven't played in a few months and I forget what newgrfs I used before

11:32:17  <peter1138> i loaded FIRS once... WAY too many cargos and industries

11:32:23  <edeca> No maximums for stockpiles in PBI, hmm

11:32:26  <peter1138> and people think that 32 isn't enough...

11:32:45  <Gremnon> I think it could be better done modularized, in the same way ECS is

11:33:15  * edeca googles FIRS

11:33:44  <edeca> No URL on the openttd wiki :(

11:34:05  <Gremnon> look for the thread in the graphics section of the forums

11:34:16  <edeca> Ta

11:34:19  <Gremnon> there's two, one for releases, the other for development, they link to each other in their first posts

11:35:08  <edeca> Yep, I've got them.

11:35:21  <edeca> I'll give them all a spin tonight.  I quite like ECS though

11:39:27  <Gremnon> only problem I've ever had with ECS is when I use only a few Vectors, in temperate I still get the normal farm but nowhere to take the grain/livestock

11:39:36  <Gremnon> unless of course I disable the default industries

11:40:44  <edeca> I should try it with all loaded but "very few" set

11:40:53  <edeca> There is no room for rails to go between industries on "low" :)

11:41:30  <Gremnon> Very low is what I use for both towns and industries, leaves plenty of room even on hilly and sometimes on mountainous maps

11:42:00  <edeca> I'm using one of the USA heightmaps at the minute

11:42:29  <Gremnon> I don't use heightmaps often... the only one I think I used was an old japan one

11:42:39  <Gremnon> not a bad one with all the Japanset GRFs loaded though

11:42:41  <edeca> I just tried it.  It's quite neat.

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11:54:59  <SineDeviance> hey all

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11:55:16  <SineDeviance> i got a question. the year is now 2050 in my game and suddenly i cannot build asiastars

11:55:37  <SineDeviance> do i have to upgrade to maglev now?

11:56:32  <planetmaker> dunno about its expiry date. Maybe you can solve it by "engines never expire" in the adv. settings and using "reset_engines" in the console afterwards.

11:57:50  <SineDeviance> okay

11:57:51  <SineDeviance> thanks

12:01:21  <SineDeviance> planetmaker, yeah, that did the trick. thank you :D

12:01:45  <SineDeviance> also, another question. is there a way to upgrade to maglev without having to manually rebuild all my trains?

12:01:52  <planetmaker> you're welcome

12:02:02  <planetmaker> there's no such way.

12:02:49  <SineDeviance> ouch

12:02:52  <SineDeviance> okay, thanks again

12:03:31  <planetmaker> you know about shared orders, though, yes?

12:06:02  <SineDeviance> yeah

12:06:17  <SineDeviance> but i have over 100 trains, yknow? it'd be a pain to rebuild them all at this point

12:06:29  <SineDeviance> even with shared cloning

12:07:13  <planetmaker> then skip the upgrading. What would you gain anyway?

12:07:35  <SineDeviance> speed, i guess

12:07:36  <SineDeviance> not much else

12:08:01  <SineDeviance> asiastar runs at 165mph... lev4 runs at 400mph on straights and 220+ on turns :D

12:08:39  <SineDeviance> it is tempting but not for the amount of work involved

12:09:03  <SineDeviance> i decided to keep all my industry trains asiastars and just convert my pax lines to maglev

12:09:11  <SineDeviance> i only had one pax train anyways

12:09:18  <SineDeviance> so it works out well

12:09:41  <SpComb> pfft, asiastars pulling cargo

12:09:44  <SpComb> how unrealistic!

12:10:06  <Yexo> pfft, a game

12:10:09  <Yexo> how unrealistic!

12:10:42  <SineDeviance> SpComb, well, when i use the 2cc and other real-world sets i do worry about authenticity, but for this game i decided to stick with stock trains

12:12:31  <SineDeviance> the stock trains are dinky but they do have a certain amount of charm :D

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12:26:51  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18453 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3364]: wrong heightmap dimensions, or rather... a nested_array index removed too much

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14:22:35  <Belugas> hello

14:26:10  <Goulp> Hello

14:26:30  <Goulp> Please all together : Happy Birthday To You Belugas, ...

14:26:47  <Eddi|zuHause> pssst... don't remind him...

14:27:32  <Luukland> Hiep hiep? Hurray!!

14:27:39  <planetmaker> Salut Belugas

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14:37:49  <Belugas> ;)

14:40:10  <planetmaker> and if it's your birthday, of course all the best :-)

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14:52:06  <Goulp> planetmaker: u should use a try/catch instead "if it's"

14:59:29  <Belugas> it is, thanks planetmaker :)

15:05:05  <planetmaker> Goulp, I think Belugas also reacts to normal conversation quite well as opposed to nerd-speak only ;-)

15:05:18  <Ammler> concrat Belugas

15:05:43  <Ammler> it might match the first complete release of opengfx ;-)

15:07:08  <planetmaker> it will :-)

15:07:17  <planetmaker> At least his time zone

15:07:30  <planetmaker> and I hope I don't promise too much :-P

15:10:35  <Yexo> congratulations Belugas :)

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15:10:41  <Goulp> planetmaker: hum, just thinking about a try/catch could be used between developers... dont know what nerd-speaking is. will ask about it. nm.

15:10:42  <Yexo> and nice to hear planetmaker :)

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15:17:38  <Belugas> thanks Yexo.  But I guess the congratulatins might be better suited if they were sent toward my wife.  after all, she is the one who endure and supoprt me ;)  hard task she have!

15:18:12  <planetmaker> hehe

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17:13:00  <Katje> is there a sensible way to convert rolling stock to maglev ?

17:13:48  <Rubidium> no

17:15:39  <Katje> goody

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17:42:12  <planetmaker> Katje: that's called "realism". In other places it is so often called for...

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17:43:22  <Katje> heh

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17:46:56  <Eddi|zuHause> "realism" is the coolest reason ever, no matter what the request is, it can always be rejected with either being "too much" or "too little" "realistic" ;)

17:52:14  <planetmaker> ^ :-P

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18:12:53  <fjb> Happy Birthday, Belugas!

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18:27:25  <Belugas> you ho!  thanks fjb.  So now, i can finally go to bars and drink beer!

18:27:52  <fjb> Now you can.

18:30:04  <Xaroth> happy beerday, Belugas

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18:33:15  <Eddi|zuHause> häppi bürste!

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18:45:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18454 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)

18:45:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

18:45:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by habell

18:45:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: hebrew - 49 changes by dnd_man

18:45:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: indonesian - 35 changes by fanioz, prof

18:45:38  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: polish - 5 changes by amateja, silver_777

18:45:38  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf

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19:18:24  <Eddi|zuHause> any windows person having the 2003 platform sdk installed, and can send me its content? i can't seem to install it under wine

19:19:58  <Eddi|zuHause> (this one: http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/a/d/fad9efde-8627-4e7a-8812-c351ba099151/PSDK-x86.exe)

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19:57:39  <Eddi|zuHause> are there really no windows persons in this channel?

19:58:06  <Belugas> mmh?

19:58:09  <Belugas> no?

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19:58:11  <Rubidium> well, windows users are likely to be here

19:58:38  <Rubidium> but windows users with the 2003 PSDK are probably quite rare

19:58:54  <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i gave the link ;)

19:59:37  * fjb uses doors.

20:00:01  <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: i tried winetricks, but it doesn't work...

20:00:59  <fjb> Das ist ja zum weinen. (Sorry for the German.)

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20:11:32  <bb4> hi

20:11:46  <bb4> wasn't there a way to change the server speed using the console?

20:11:57  <Eddi|zuHause> no

20:12:01  <bb4> oh

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20:15:01  <Belugas> full steam ahead!

20:15:08  <Belugas> full bits ahead?

20:15:28  <LordAzamath> null fits behead

20:15:59  <LordAzamath> and that made absolutely sense

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20:24:04  <Belugas> that was the whole idea ;)

20:35:12  <Fast2> Hello

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20:43:33  <fjb> Moin Fast2

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20:54:13  <Fast2> A question about english: Is it possible/good english to mix two tenses in a sentence if the sentence parts are related to each other? The example is "While she (have) a cup of tea, someone (steal) her school bag." I would have used "was having" and "has stolen" because the second effects the present, but I'm not sure.

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20:58:22  <Fast2> I changed my opinion while I was writing, now I would use past tense for the second, too. But it's still worth knowing. :)

20:59:20  <Belugas> "While she had a cup of tea, someone stole her school bag"  I'd say

21:00:02  <Eddi|zuHause> "while" requires progressive form

21:00:39  <Sacro> Fast2: bad english

21:00:48  <Eddi|zuHause> i would say "had stolen"

21:00:51  <Fast2> It's a signal word, but I don't think it _requires_ the progressive form.

21:00:55  <Sacro> has / steals

21:01:06  <Sacro> had / stole

21:01:26  <Belugas> tadam

21:01:30  <Sacro> hmm, why are you stuck, stupdid BIOS

21:01:40  <Sacro> probably cos i had my elbo on pause/break

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21:06:21  <_ln> http://www.break.com/index/student-brings-typewriter-to-class.html

21:06:26  <Fast2> Hmmm, Belugas seems to be a native speaker, but "while" is a signal word...

21:07:08  <planetmaker> it seems that the seam seems small

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21:10:34  <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas is certainly a native speaker, but it's a matter WHAT he speaks natively ;)

21:10:54  <Xaroth> Belugas: you need more beer.

21:10:55  * fjb doesn't think that it is English.

21:11:12  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not french either ;)

21:11:19  <Eddi|zuHause> (according to the french ;))

21:11:39  <planetmaker> lool :-P

21:11:52  <fjb> Something that was French long ago.

21:12:05  <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: so what? i once brought a slide rule to math class ;)

21:12:37  * fjb owns a slide rule and is able to use it.

21:12:49  <Fast2> Whois says he is connected to a server in America, so I assumed he is a native english spaker.

21:12:54  <Fast2> *+e

21:13:25  <Eddi|zuHause> server location has absolutely no correlation to client location

21:13:26  <_ln> Fast2: and there are no other languages spoken in (Northern) America?

21:13:32  <fjb> Not everybody in northern america is a native english speaker.

21:14:09  <Fast2> Most of the people are.

21:14:52  <_ln> Fast2: Most, but what percentage?

21:15:10  <fjb> Most people on the world speak chinese.

21:15:41  <Eddi|zuHause> there are even more native chinese speakers than native and foreign english speakers together

21:16:46  <Fast2> _ln: 89% (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=native+language+english+America)

21:16:54  * fjb met more native chinese speakers than native english speakers.

21:17:21  <_ln> Fast2: it says United States

21:17:56  <Eddi|zuHause> Fast2: (geographical) nothern america includes mexico and canada

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21:18:42  <Fast2> Oh, that's right, I forgot that.

21:19:41  <_ln> even Greenland by some interpretation  (though isn't significant factor with languages)

21:20:10  <SmatZ> Belugas didn't like when I called him "American" (as citizen of Nothern America)

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21:27:01  <Fast2> If I say "Amerikaner" I usually mean citizen of the USA. But sorry Belugas :)

21:27:51  <Fast2> *Amerikaner|American

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21:29:05  <xopek> hi

21:29:22  <Fast2> Hello xopek

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21:30:15  <_ln> Kazakhstan \o/

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21:30:31  <xopek> fail...

21:30:36  <xopek> hi :-)

21:30:50  <SmatZ> hello xopek

21:32:16  <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: maybe they have inferiour internet lines in kasachstan ;)

21:32:36  <xopek> i had a question, but I forgot what...

21:32:47  <Eddi|zuHause> xopek: then it wasn't important.

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21:33:53  <Belugas> Fast2, as Eddi|zuHause pointed out, i'm indeed a FRENCH native speaker.  My colleagues say that i'm a LOUD speaker... that's another matter

21:34:08  <xopek> important:)

21:34:25  <xopek> why version 0.7.3 does not use the directory ~ /.openttd/ and accordingly the settings and save?

21:34:51  <xopek> previously had version 0.7.0

21:34:56  <andythenorth> I think it's time to try a new RV set

21:35:04  <andythenorth> eGRVTS is great, but I've used it in every game for a loooong time

21:35:05  <Rubidium> xopek: where did you get the binary from?

21:35:11  <Fast2> Belugas: He didn't really point it out.

21:35:24  <Eddi|zuHause> xopek: the readme should tell about which directories it uses in which order

21:36:07  <xopek> Rubidium: open.ttdrussia.net

21:36:39  <Eddi|zuHause> xopek: most likely, you have a rogue openttd.cfg somewhere

21:37:11  <xopek> Eddi|zuHause: hm. ok. just read...

21:37:44  <Fast2> Belugas: If you would use unterlines in front and at the end of what you are trying to stress, you would be _much_ more quiet. :)

21:37:59  <andythenorth> what other RV sets are we liking?

21:38:02  <Fast2> *t|d

21:38:47  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: germanrv

21:38:58  <andythenorth> how complete is it?

21:39:33  <Eddi|zuHause> tram+bus is complete, trucks not (replaces original ones with refitable ones)

21:39:42  <andythenorth> ok

21:40:01  <xopek>  2. Your personal directory Linux:   ~/.openttd from readme... but my ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg can only be used via the -c option

21:40:44  <Eddi|zuHause> xopek: so what about 1.?

21:41:12  <xopek> 1. The current working directory (from where you started OpenTTD)

21:41:15  <xopek> hmmm

21:41:33  <xopek> :-)

21:41:40  <Rubidium> xopek: does it also happen with the *official* binary, i.e. the binaries at http://www.openttd.org/download-stable/0.7.3 ?

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21:42:05  <Eddi|zuHause> xopek: so is there an openttd.cfg?

21:42:13  <Rubidium> that russian site is *slow*... a whole 8 KiB/s if I'm lucky

21:42:27  <Eddi|zuHause> hey, that almost maxes out my connection :p

21:42:39  <_ln> how damn old is that screenshot that says "Open Transport Tycoon", or have they patched the name?

21:43:00  <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: something 0.2-ish

21:43:16  <Rubidium> hmm... google translate says: "Our modification of the original assembly includes an additional opportunity to generate Russian names of cities on the map + disable creation of the game folder OpenTTD user's home directory.", so they are messing with the search paths

21:43:19  <xopek> Rubidium: i using dialup 33k...:)

21:43:20  <_ln> was changed in r1001 if i'm not mistaken

21:43:29  <xopek> Eddi|zuHause: openttd.cfg is only in ~ /.openttd

21:43:40  <Rubidium> so... it's most likely not *our* bug, but a bug in that russian build

21:43:45  <Eddi|zuHause> xopek: ok, then what Rubidium said

21:45:15  <xopek> running version 0.7.3 from the folder ~ /.openttd/ does what you need, but it's not good. it is necessary that both 0.7.0 lurid anywhere with a personal config ...

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21:47:27  <SmatZ> Rubidium: ты говоришь по-русски?

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21:48:44  <Rubidium> xopek: what I already said, you can complain as much as you want about the russian binary, but that is not going to fix the fact that *they* broke the code in *their* unofficial binary

21:49:47  <frosch123> SmatZ: нет

21:50:04  <SmatZ> hehe :)

21:50:28  <SmatZ> I was surprised how Rubidium found that modification description in that site so quickly :)

21:50:59  <Rubidium> SmatZ: translate.google.com -> download -> et voila

21:51:09  <_ln> *voilà

21:51:45  <SmatZ> hmm google translate failed quite badly last time I tried it on russian site

21:51:50  <SmatZ> good it has improved :)

21:53:09  <frosch123> SmatZ: always use english as one of the languages :) last time i tried everything is passed through english

21:53:20  <p-w> what encoding does this server use?

21:53:24  <SmatZ> hehe :)

21:53:27  <p-w> that came out all squiggled and dots to me

21:53:32  <p-w> squiggles, even

21:53:45  <Rubidium> "this server" being what?

21:54:00  <p-w> three guesses

21:54:02  <Rubidium> if "this server" means this IRC channel, see the topic

21:54:02  <xopek> Rubidium: already downloading original src...

21:54:16  <_ln> p-w: Windows-1251

21:54:46  <p-w> 

21:54:55  * SmatZ slaps _ln with non-unicode encodings

21:55:07  <p-w> hmm, might have to reconnect with 1251 =(

21:55:30  <p-w> тест тест

21:55:57  <_ln> p-w: err.. were you talking about IRC?

21:56:20  <planetmaker> Shameless plug: http://bananas.openttd.org/en/base/

21:56:31  <_ln> p-w: in that case the server doesn't "use" any particular encoding, because there's no way to specify an encoding in the IRC protocol.

21:56:48  <p-w> hmm, wonder if there's a way to switch encodings on the fly in kvirc

21:57:04  <_ln> p-w: this channel's preferred encoding is "UTF-8 please", as seen on topic.

21:57:27  <p-w> i see, i'm generally used to servers that enforce a single encoding for all rooms

21:58:00  <_ln> i've never heard of an irc server enforcing encodings

21:58:10  <_ln> does that actually happen?

21:58:26  <Fast2> How could you do that?

21:58:27  <p-w> well, it depends on your definition of "enforce" i'd wager

21:58:35  <Belugas> night all guys

21:58:42  <p-w> i mean, it's a server that is non-english speaking, and all rooms use the same encoding

21:58:50  <p-w> i guess it "strongly suggests" an encoding?

21:58:57  <Fast2> Good night, Belugas

22:00:57  <Eddi|zuHause> on any non-coding related channel i ever was i had to convert the people to utf-8-ianism

22:01:05  <xopek> here so much russian. why not russian channel?

22:01:15  <Eddi|zuHause> and i was sure to get "your umlauts are defect" for at least half a year ;)

22:01:49  <Eddi|zuHause> xopek: there are not that many russians here

22:01:50  <frosch123> smatz and me are the only from russia :p

22:02:06  <Fast2> xopek: Create one :)

22:02:06  <p-w> and me

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22:02:58  <Rubidium> xopek: a 'review' of the source from the russian website shows that they have completely disabled the home directory, i.e. OpenTTD won't even search in that directory *ever* (unless it's the working directory)

22:03:26  <xopek> oo

22:03:40  <_ln> what would indian jones say about that?

22:03:42  <_ln> +a

22:03:57  <Rubidium> in 10 minutes I might know what they did in 0.7.0

22:04:21  <Rubidium> but I suspect they did it differently back then

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22:04:54  <planetmaker> night Belugas

22:05:27  <Eddi|zuHause> have a nice party, Belugas ;)

22:06:41  <Fast2> Party? Congratulations to whatever :)

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22:08:13  <Rubidium> the birth of OGFX

22:11:17  <fjb> andythenorth: I tried german road vehicles in my last game. It dislikes every other rv set (exept the hover craft bus) beside it. And the vehicles are visibly bigger than their bounding box.

22:11:32  <andythenorth> :o

22:12:08  <Fast2> ;) I don't think he would do a party for that. I guess birthday, right?

22:12:10  <fjb> I disliked the clipping. Long vehicles syndroome.

22:13:26  <frosch123> and it uses the broken ttdp alignment if i read correctly :p

22:13:28  <fjb> eGRVS is nice, but the vehicles are looking a bit too much "british", at least the trucks look a bit different here.

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22:14:15  <fjb> frosch123: is that visible in the game? I could have a look then.

22:14:37  <andythenorth> is there a problem with RV alignment?

22:14:38  <frosch123> fjb: i did not try, but the more shorter the vehicles the more wrong

22:15:11  <andythenorth> I ask because I spent a long time aligning HEQS, and now many of the trucks drive too much towards the middle of the road at some angles

22:15:18  <andythenorth> but it could be my error :)

22:15:42  <fjb> frosch123: Where can I see the alignment? I had the feeling the were driving more in the middle of the road than the default vehicles.

22:15:50  <frosch123> andythenorth: in the vehicle details the vehicles have  a length of floor(28 * i / 8) in ottd (resp 32 * i / 8 with a certain fs patch), in ttdp they have 28 - 4*(8-i)

22:16:04  <Fast2> Good night!

22:16:06  <Rubidium> xopek: did you use the Russian OpenTTD binary back then?

22:16:29  <Rubidium> because their 0.7.0 behaves exactly like 0.7.3 for ~/.openttd

22:17:37  <frosch123> andythenorth: on the road both ottd and ttdp should have the ttd offsets

22:17:47  <andythenorth> probably my mistake then

22:17:59  <frosch123> only vehicle details are different (also for trains, but likely most use the 32px version anyway)

22:21:04  <andythenorth> so what makes for a good RV set ?

22:22:10  <Chrill> ..vehicles

22:22:33  <andythenorth> :P

22:22:45  <xopek> Rubidium: i gather from the src from the site. 0.7.0 ~ /.openttd perceives as provisions and 0.7.3 ignores it...

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22:26:27  <Eddi|zuHause> "Unpublishing Product Features" ... i'm not exactly sure now whether i'm watching a windows installer or a sim city world generator :p

22:27:04  <Rubidium> xopek: the site is the russian site, right?

22:27:22  <fjb> eGRVS is good, but the vehicles are looking all almost the same. A bit variation would be great. The original vehicles had more variations.

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22:28:11  <xopek> Rubidium: right

22:28:32  <Eddi|zuHause> <fjb> andythenorth: I tried german road vehicles in my last game. It dislikes every other rv set (exept the hover craft bus) beside it. <-- with "multiple vehicle sets" on, i had absolutely no problems with both germanrv and heqs

22:28:59  <Eddi|zuHause> although i only used a handful of heqs vehicles

22:29:03  <fjb> It complained for me and deactivated itself.

22:29:25  <Eddi|zuHause> which version?

22:30:11  <fjb> v0.2

22:30:25  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, it was fine in 0.11

22:30:45  <fjb> Here is a screenshot of that game: http://www.flickr.com/photos/57291061@N00/4174618063/

22:31:00  <fjb> 0.11? I only found 0.1 and 0.2

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22:31:21  <tokai> hoppla

22:31:33  <fjb> But I dislike the clipping and the vehicles "sticking" in each other.

22:31:46  <fjb> Moin tokai

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22:39:47  <fjb> Now it looks like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/57291061@N00/4174644647/sizes/o/

22:39:54  <fjb> The busses are too big.

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22:42:52  <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: 0.11b was the version

22:43:14  <Eddi|zuHause> not entirely sure, but there might also have been a 0.12

22:43:34  <fjb> Looks like 0.2 is the latest.

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22:43:57  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, 0.1 < 0.11 < 0.2 ;)

22:44:05  <andythenorth> fjb: buses look ok in that set?  Maybe a bit big compared to trains

22:44:33  <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: those are articulated busses

22:44:58  <fjb> The busses are bigger than their bounding box. So busses driving behind each other tend to overlap.

22:45:23  <xopek> bb

22:45:26  <Eddi|zuHause> that might just be alignment issues

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22:46:08  <fjb> The first part of the articulated busses hangs over its bounding box at the front.

22:46:54  <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: any tests/complaints should go into http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=2037

22:47:31  <fjb> I don't think that will help. The size looks like a design choice, like long vehicles.

22:48:25  <Eddi|zuHause> but there are ways to fix that

22:48:41  <Eddi|zuHause> like putting in invisible articulated parts

22:50:12  <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: and in case of these articulated busses, it might just be an alignment issue

22:50:23  <fjb> A bit smaller would fit the world better (even if the vehicles are not that detailed then).

22:55:36  <Eddi|zuHause> and to repeat the phrase that was thrown at me: "if you want smaller vehicles, provide smaller sprites"

22:57:28  <fjb> The question was what makes a good RV set. And I said sprites which are in the bounding box.

22:58:15  <fjb> And I don't provide sprites. I failed at any sprite beside a shed.

22:58:37  <fjb> Here ist is more visible: http://www.flickr.com/photos/57291061@N00/4174644647/sizes/o/

22:59:06  <fjb> I will simply not use that set again, like I do not use the long vehicles.

23:00:24  <Eddi|zuHause> that's the exact same picture as before

23:01:02  <glx> exact same URL too ;)

23:01:18  <fjb> Oh, sorry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/57291061@N00/4174676651/sizes/o/

23:02:19  <Eddi|zuHause> those are huge busses... i didn't see those before...

23:03:01  <fjb> Maybe they were not yet in the old version.

23:03:20  <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe i didn't use the long distance busses

23:04:26  <fjb> I want to make it comfortable for my passengers.

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23:05:43  <Brianetta> Belugas: http://www.cracked.com/article_17881_if-video-games-were-realistic.html

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23:08:39  <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably more funny if you know at least half the games...

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23:38:51  <Terkhen> good night

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23:44:44  <Nite_Owl> Hello all

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23:50:31  <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: i have no idea what #2 is supposed tomean

23:53:53  <Brianetta> Eddi|zuHause: neither have I

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