IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-11-30
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10:19:13 <Eddi|zuHause> <_ln> fjb: Do you have age limits for books in libraries? <-- yes, books, like films and games, may be declared "harmful to youth", and must be kept inaccessible for people under 18 years.
10:19:57 <Eddi|zuHause> this is not only limited to pornography
10:20:43 <Eddi|zuHause> also "anticonstitutional" stuff, like nazi propaganda
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10:55:49 <dihedral> number of servers is increasing :-S
10:55:59 <petern> and the number of players?
10:56:15 <dihedral> compared to 140 servers and 104 clients :-P
10:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's not exceptionally unexpected that the number of players is low during the day...
10:57:04 <Eddi|zuHause> check back during the evening...
10:58:13 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, but the number of servers is still quite high
10:58:14 <petern> it's evening in some countries :s
10:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: but the majority of players is from europe
10:58:56 <dihedral> looks like people are more enjoying being a lonely openttd admin rather than a company manager ^^
10:59:22 <Rubidium> they fire up a server and forget about it
10:59:23 <dihedral> openttd game server admin
10:59:42 <dihedral> i did want to add "a bad one too" in brackets ^^
10:59:42 <Rubidium> which is not quite adminy at all
11:01:06 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: what compiler do you use?
11:01:10 <dihedral> but "they are the admin" ... "they are the master of /dev/null" :-P
11:01:28 <Arvid_> (11:20:03) (Eddi|zuHause) this is not only limited to pornography --- in norway, you can have kids by the age of 16, but cant buy porn until you are 18 ^^
11:01:43 <fonsinchen> g++ (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) 4.3.2, but ....
11:02:10 <fonsinchen> the effect happens on my powerpc laptop, but is curiously absent on my x86_64 desktop
11:02:22 <fonsinchen> both using the same OS and same compiler and so on.
11:02:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Arvid_: it's not like anybody can forbid you to have kids, when you are biologically able to do so... [which is somewhere between 12 and 14]
11:02:44 <fonsinchen> so it might be dependent on byte order.
11:02:46 <Rubidium> ah... so that is the important piece of information that has been left out of the bug report
11:03:09 <fonsinchen> I didn't have my desktop around last week.
11:03:17 <fonsinchen> I just noticed that right now
11:03:31 <fonsinchen> I'll add a comment to the FS task
11:14:23 <fonsinchen> That little Ibook is somewhat slow ... you'll get an answer in about 15 Minutes.
11:28:44 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: yes, your patch fixes it.
11:30:05 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18351 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3333]: endianness issue with saving the zoom level
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11:35:16 <Ch0Hag> Is the ttd music available as midi files?
11:35:28 <Ch0Hag> Or convertable thereto.
11:35:37 <Ch0Hag> I'd like the cheesy music at work occasionally.
11:36:18 <Ch0Hag> Not obfuscated in some weird and wonderful way?
11:37:01 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they are just renamed to .gm
11:37:02 <Rubidium> I guess not; we use midi playback APIs to play it
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11:42:43 <petern> the windows ttd music files are midi
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13:53:40 * PeterT is trying to cross-compile
13:54:07 <Ch0Hag> Or maybe gcc is making you angry.
14:08:38 <dihedral> what a great statement!!
14:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> most of my crashes (even under windows) were clearly hardware-related
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14:24:42 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: the fact he managed to crash one of the most user-friendly linux distros around is saying something :P
14:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> since when is "user friendly" related to "crash resistent"?
14:27:34 <Rubidium> has it ever been? User friendly getting credit vs credit crunch?
14:28:31 <blathijs> I guess there is usually (negative) correlation, so that's some relation, right? :-)
14:29:31 <Rubidium> though fonsinchen might be interested
14:30:13 <Rubidium> even then it's quite an old version
14:30:46 <Rubidium> and the station view is broken
14:31:16 <fonsinchen> What's wrong with the station view?
14:31:50 <Rubidium> the amount of cargo is incorrectly aligned
14:32:00 <Fast2> petern: I thougt it's trunk because of the name.
14:32:17 <fonsinchen> Should it be right aligned? I must have missed that.
14:32:49 <fonsinchen> Fast2: Do you have a crash.sav, crash.txt or anything similar?
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14:35:30 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: unlikely because based on the fact that the exception window shows up the error handling, i.e. crashlog creator, isn't started
14:36:32 <Fast2> fonsinchen: No, but I'll try to reproduce the bug ang coose another option
14:37:15 <Fast2> Ignore instead of abort
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14:39:13 <fonsinchen> ah, well, we already know this bug. It's the one about the vehicle preview being incorrectly formatted. It has been fixed. Try a newer version.
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14:47:58 <fonsinchen> I think I did the left-aligning on purpose. Like that you can easier spot the indentation for source/via/destination.
14:48:29 <fonsinchen> What's the problem about the amount of cargo being left aligned?
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14:50:49 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: it draws the text over the images making both less readable
14:51:32 <fonsinchen> Maybe I'll right-align the text for general cargo entries and left-align source/via/destination
14:52:52 <fonsinchen> I guess the images have to be drawn right-aligned then.
15:05:03 <Eddi|zuHause> 145 - Table './ttmain/mybb_posts' is marked as crashed and should be repaired
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18:33:36 <Forked> how come a thread about cargo distribution is suddenly a support thread for compiling? :\
18:34:27 <Belugas> "I can't compile that patch. Can you help?"
18:34:30 <Belugas> and there is goes ...
18:34:55 <Forked> well as long as the patch is realistic..
18:34:57 <Belugas> "i'm too lazy to understand by myself. Push the buttons for me"
18:35:25 <Belugas> i'm in a good mood today. Lucky you ;)
18:41:48 <Rubidium> Forked: because each thread with 'interesting' patches ends up being a support thread for compiling
18:45:20 * fjb hopes that is not the of neither the tread nor the patch.
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18:58:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18352 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files): (log message trimmed)
18:58:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:58:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 35 changes by Maccie123
18:58:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by josesun
18:58:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: croatian - 221 changes by UnderwaterHesus
18:58:07 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: danish - 129 changes by embql
18:58:07 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: dutch - 7 changes by habell
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19:09:47 <flikkflakk> Hello! Is there a way to disable landscaping on a server?
19:10:08 <planetmaker> Not with default versions.
19:12:12 <flikkflakk> So would I need to compile my own? or use nightly?
19:12:44 <planetmaker> You'd need to compile your own after you applied an appropriate patch
19:15:38 <planetmaker> one of them is - IIRC - a server-side patch. E.g. you could compile it into the server and people could still use their usual client
19:17:15 <flikkflakk> would it be possible to just increase the price for terraforming on the server?
19:18:13 <planetmaker> there's one around which does that... but I don't recall its name nor URL
19:20:01 <flikkflakk> hm, that sounds interesting
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19:21:57 <ashb> one in the 'harder server' thread i think
19:26:59 <flikkflakk> Bigos Pack - Hard Srver Pack(r18288) this one?
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20:55:25 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 968.992248062
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21:03:33 <Rubidium> yes, but you won't like it
21:03:40 <frosch123> write a (nice) patch that clips the vehicle sprite
21:03:41 <planetmaker> shorter wagons :-P
21:04:03 <SmatZ> hehe @ Rubidium's aswer
21:04:15 <planetmaker> :-P I guess I was asking for it ;-)
21:05:01 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, bigger 'normal' tiles, i.e. 66x33 instead of 64x32 (or whatever the correct size is) and remove all 'incorrect' numbers from the source
21:06:06 <planetmaker> that would mean overlapping ground tiles. And would mean to redraw all sprites... doesn't it?
21:06:24 <Rubidium> no, not overlapping ground sprite, just bigger ground sprites
21:06:40 <Rubidium> and yes it means redrawing more sprites than the 'few' wagon sprites
21:07:36 <planetmaker> well... then everything is scaled up a bit. and we end up where we are now with 3 pixels added or so.
21:07:56 <Rubidium> no, you wouldn't make the wagon bigger ofcourse
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21:09:20 <frosch123> some use the bridge recolouring, some the company colour recolouring, and the churches use their own recolouring
21:09:36 <planetmaker> oh...? They are different?
21:10:10 <planetmaker> I mean... different houses use different re-colour schemes?
21:10:32 <planetmaker> Indeed I didn't know at all.
21:11:17 <frosch123> "C6 C7 C8 C9 CA CB CC CD" <- company colour, "46 47 48 49 4A 4B 4C 4D 4E 4F" <- bridges, "69 6A 6D 6E 72 74 76 77 78 7B" <- church only
21:13:50 <planetmaker> can I change that for a particular house in a base set?
21:14:25 <frosch123> no :) you can change the recolourtables themself, but that will break newgrfs using them
21:14:37 <planetmaker> that's no option :-)
21:16:06 <frosch123> PALETTE_TO_STRUCT_xxx are the bridge type of recolouring, PALETTE_59x is the church type, PALETTE_TO_XXX is company colour
21:16:30 <planetmaker> hm. That might explain why one of the churches in OpenGFX is so glitchy, too.
21:18:43 <planetmaker> hm... but how does it then work, that a random CC is assigned, if PALETTE_TO_XXX is given expressely?
21:19:33 <frosch123> the same sprites appear multiple times in that table
21:19:56 <planetmaker> Ok, but then on the reverse logic: a house with a spriteID which has PAL_NONE... then a CC part won't ever be anything but the colour it is painted in?
21:20:05 <frosch123> but, maybe some building get some additional random recolouring
21:21:23 <frosch123> const DrawBuildingsTileStruct *dcts = &_town_draw_tile_data[house_id << 4 | TileHash2Bit(ti->x, ti->y) << 2 | GetHouseBuildingStage(ti->tile)]; <- that is the important line, so all "random" recolouring is part of that table
21:21:40 <frosch123> only recolourings mentioned in that table are used
21:24:48 <planetmaker> interesting. No wonder it doesn't work for some houses :-)
21:24:55 <planetmaker> Thanks for enlightening me :-)
21:26:10 <frosch123> hehe, i was concerned about the recolouring in opengfx for quite some while, but never meet someone who would be able to deal with it :)
21:27:41 <planetmaker> well... Now I have the nice task at hand to see which houses actually can use that... that will be joy! ;-)
21:28:41 <planetmaker> In any case, I'll add a note so that it won't get forgotten :-) Thanks a lot for telling me
21:29:01 <frosch123> i guess you can somehow automagically reverse that table to collect the recolourings used for a certain sprite
21:29:59 <planetmaker> yes, some awk, grep or alike magic should be able to do that.
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21:43:37 <Terkhen> I got that error compiling current trunk with MSVC
21:45:24 <Terkhen> STR_STATION_BUILD_ACCEPTS_CARGO :{BLACK}Prihvaća: {GOLD.aku} <--- here is the line causing the problem
21:47:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18353 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt: -Fix: string colours can't have a case
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21:48:35 <OutInDark> Can anyone do Voice?
21:48:50 <Belugas> i can sing, if yu which
21:49:15 <planetmaker> yes, please, Belugas :-)
21:49:31 <Belugas> i can kick and i can ban. why do you want Voice?
21:49:35 <Rubidium> # I hear your voice on the wind
21:49:40 <Rubidium> # And I hear you call out my name
21:49:45 <Belugas> planetmaker, you do NOT want that ;)
21:49:56 <_ln> OutInDark: the Bene Gesserit type of Voice?
21:50:11 <planetmaker> I judge by the instruments ;-)
21:50:12 <OutInDark> The mic voip in irc
21:50:14 <Belugas> that reminds me something Rubidium... what's that? not Dio...
21:50:32 <planetmaker> OutInDark, are you sure that you know what IRC stands for?
21:50:33 <Belugas> planetmaker, my guit sings better than me :D
21:50:44 <OutInDark> Internet Relay Chat
21:50:57 <planetmaker> and from what time it originates?
21:51:28 <Rubidium> anyhow, what's the reason why someone we've never seen before to give them /voice... and now I'm too late
21:51:39 <Belugas> YEAH! another annoyance gone!
21:52:08 <Rubidium> Belugas: no, that was from "The Voice" from "Celtic Woman", whoever they may be
21:52:47 <Belugas> and tonigh is coming soon for me :D
21:54:52 <Rubidium> hmm, it sounds strangely familiar
21:55:10 <planetmaker> sounds actually like a plan...
21:58:28 <Rubidium> oh, maybe it was when I was looking for the original of one of the tracks on an Amy MacDonald
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21:59:25 <planetmaker> as opposed to many singes she indeed does have a voice.
21:59:31 <planetmaker> s/singes/singers/
22:02:20 <Prof_Frink> I've never heard a sewing machine talk.
22:04:41 <planetmaker> g'night Belugas, g'night all, also from here
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22:26:29 <Eddi|zuHause> <Prof_Frink> I've never heard a sewing machine talk. <-- that's easy, once you manage to install netbsd on it ;)
22:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> ... good ... night
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22:35:51 <_ln> "it makes very clear who can vote and who cannot; for example, a woman cannot vote but a horse can"
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22:51:29 <PeterT> Hello SmatZ, hello Nite_Owl
22:53:25 <Chrill> Hello Nite_Owl, hello SmatZ, hello PeterT
23:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't know Brian?
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23:59:55 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18354 /branches/0.7/ (10 files in 5 dirs):
23:59:55 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
23:59:55 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Endianness issue with saving the zoom level [FS#3333] (r18351)
23:59:55 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Prepare for 0.7.4
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