IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-11-07
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00:56:06 <Paul2> using the default config for dedicated server, if all clients leave it pauses right?
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06:52:56 <DDR> Hello, all. I am undoubtedly being dense, but: where can I find the 'readme's for the newGRFs?
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08:12:53 <DDR> Waaaiiittt... I think I found it.
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08:41:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17990 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Add widgets enum for dropdown menu window.
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09:19:01 <DDR> Say, does anyone know why the mp servers only seem to consist of large maps?
09:19:53 <DDR> Was there a decision, a discovery, some years ago that small, relatively crowded maps are Not Fun?
09:20:23 <DDR> Or is it just an unpopular playstyle?
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09:24:06 <DDR> And: If I start a game in the 1600s, (I tried this a while ago) it seems that truck price quickly becomes huge compared to the small profits they make... and I go under.
09:24:22 <DDR> Has anyone else noticed this?
09:33:02 <frosch123> prices increase faster than payment with inflation enabled; so if the vehicles do not advance wrt. performance you will get into trouble
09:34:10 <DDR> Ahhhh.... that's what inflation is for. I wondered...
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10:26:21 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17991 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Use WD_VSCROLLBAR_WIDTH constant in dropdown menu window.
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11:26:35 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17992 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Merge some parameters of the dropdown menu.
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12:24:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17993 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Move widget and data initialization into the dropdown menu class.
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13:57:20 <Harsi> Ahoj tak kdo tu umi cesky?
13:59:56 <Alberth> it works better if you type plain english
14:00:42 <thingwath> (or at least use diacritics)
14:00:47 * frosch123 understands the last word, which reveals the rest \o/
14:04:45 <Harsi> I must find some czech openttd canal
14:11:47 <Harsi> aa vidim ze ty mi rzumis:)
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14:26:47 <Guest1121> is it possible to use sdl under windows?
14:27:14 <frosch123> maybe, try "openttd -v sdl"
14:27:26 <Guest1121> he sayes there is no such video driver
14:27:42 <glx> it is possible, for mingw build compiled using sdl headers
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14:28:53 <pete> is there a ready-to.go build or have i compile it myself?
14:29:15 <glx> you have to compile yourself
14:40:50 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17994 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Make the dropdown menu window use pure nested widgets.
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15:49:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17995 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: PreventHiding() is used in one file, make it static.
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16:38:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17996 /branches/0.7/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.h):
16:38:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
16:38:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] 'last_value' and 'reseed' are shared between procedure and main chain, 'scope' and 'count' are not (r17672)
16:38:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Change: [NewGRF] Apply default refitmasks only when the NewGRF did not set any of the three refittability properties (xor mask, positive classes, negative classes) (r17663)
16:44:59 <Lakie> Any of the developers around?
16:47:23 <blathijs> Lakie: Better just ask your actual question :-)
16:47:43 <Lakie> Heh, I'm having problems with grf train sounds.
16:48:00 <Lakie> I think its down to the samples but the person providing them rejects that claim.
16:48:08 <Lakie> But I can't see anything wrong with my code. :(
16:48:28 <glx> train sounds should work (they do for ukrs)
16:51:24 <Lakie> I'm assuming its my code, or the sample broken not openttd
16:53:05 <Lakie> From what I understand, that should play Sr1_acc.wav when it goes under a tunnel, but I get no sound at all, same happens if I replace say leaving a station.
16:53:40 <Lakie> (It does work in TTDPatch, so I didn't notice until said sound author complained)
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16:54:56 <glx> hmm can be the frequency, but it's just a guess
16:56:17 <Lakie> So it'd be something wrong with the sample, not the code?
16:56:52 <glx> it could a bug in our code too :)
16:58:23 <glx> ukrs works btw (just checked)
17:00:00 <Lakie> Yeah, I think it might be the sample, as I said it plays fine in TTDPatch, I'll see if I can't get the sample's specs to workout if its wrong.
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17:03:44 <frosch123> Lakie: he can try starting ottd with "openttd -d grf=2" and it might print something like "LoadGRFSound: channels %u, sample rate %u, bits per sample %u, length %u"
17:04:01 <frosch123> btw, anyone knows whether grfsounds work on big endian machines?
17:07:41 <frosch123> or does anyone know whether 'uint32 u = '\0\0\0A' is 65 on all machines?
17:08:44 <Lakie> I don't have a big endian machine. I think most of those are either ARM or (old) Macs?
17:09:27 <Lakie> Also, I think its been encoded incorrectly, as I do not see that line, only "dbg: [grf] [test.grf:4] GRFDataBlock: block name 'Sr1_acc.wav'..."
17:10:05 <frosch123> grep for 'LoadGRFSound', it might print other stuff
17:10:11 <frosch123> like something invliad
17:13:04 <Lakie> Not in the output anywhere
17:13:42 <frosch123> it should directly follow the GRFDataBlock line :o
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17:14:31 <frosch123> sound->file_size = 0;
17:14:47 <frosch123> uhm, what? there are no other chunks except data and fmt allowed? :o
17:15:03 <frosch123> might be a bit restrictive :p
17:15:47 <frosch123> 'RIFF', 'WAVE', 'fmt ' and 'data' are the usual tags of wav files
17:16:03 <frosch123> but various recorders include other stuff
17:18:04 <Lakie> Unfortunetly, I don't really have software to encode or decode audio files as such.
17:18:40 <frosch123> well, ottd is really too restrictive here :)
17:24:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17997 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp widgets/dropdown.cpp window.cpp window_func.h): -Codechange: Introduce functions for querying top and bottom of the main view.
17:27:51 <Lakie> frosch123: is there a particular reason I can't pipe the output to file using the ">" or ">>" operators in windows?
17:28:26 <frosch123> windows? ask glx :)
17:29:06 <Lakie> And, I've looked through the wav file in a hex editor it includes 2 extra bytes in "fmt " and a "fact" section, removing those makes it work, so yeah, too restrictive. ;)
17:29:42 <glx> you need to convert openttd.exe to a console app
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17:46:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r17998 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Fix (r17994): Use a consistent item list width.
18:05:27 <DorpsGek> Muxy: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1.
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18:20:53 <Lakie> frosch123: should it not just skip chunks it does not understand?
18:22:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17999 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] Improve parsing of RIFF data. Skip unknown chunks and check chunk sizes.
18:23:06 <Lakie> No problem, will that also be ported to the next 0.7.x or is the next release 0.8.x anyway?
18:24:20 <frosch123> quite some stuff has been backported to 0.7, so it also wants to get released :)
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18:45:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18000 /trunk/src/lang/greek.txt:
18:45:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 1 changes by fumantsu
18:48:21 <slowpoke> i am looking for a grf with (passenger)stations where you could see waiting passengers standing on the tracks.
18:49:11 <slowpoke> cant find it and dont remember the name. someone got a hint for me please?
18:50:09 <Hirundo> You realize that the waiting passengers will die when the train arrives, if they are standing on the track?
18:50:40 <muep_> openttd needs its share of violence
18:52:08 <slowpoke> oh yes. im afraid of my mother pop in my room and see me gaming and not killing some people
18:55:03 <Ammler> well, you can kill quite easy in TTD, you need to play quite many shoters to kill more than I did with it.
18:57:22 <Ammler> the killer feature in any means ;-)
19:01:06 <frosch123> shut up, ursula might be listening
19:10:11 <De_Ghosty> i keep thinking girlfriend
19:17:04 <frosch123> "-Feature: [NewGRF]" ?
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19:48:32 <frosch123> hmm, he, why was there no r18000 party?
19:49:16 <Alberth> the translators are celebrating
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20:24:59 <ltsampros> to idio kanei k o allos
20:32:29 <frosch123> or at least use diacritics
20:44:10 <ltsampros> sorry guys. just wrong window
20:44:35 <ltsampros> and btw you don't want to receive utf-8 in greek.
20:45:40 <glx> I have no problems with it :)
20:46:06 <glx> I can receive almost anything with arial unicode :)
20:51:30 <ltsampros> glx: probably a good client will show it. but that depends. in my greek world, there is no standard on whether the irc client should sent iso-8859-7 or utf-8 and there is always a confusion between greek irc users
20:52:01 <glx> everybody should use it :)
20:57:36 <ltsampros> but some people are stuck with old settings.
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21:41:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18001 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp:
21:41:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Codechange: [SDL] When the mouse cursor is locked into position when scrolling
21:41:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: a viewport, warp the mouse pointer to the centre of the window. This gives
21:41:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: maximum freedom of movement. The pointer position is restored when the lock is
21:41:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: removed. Visually the mouse cursor stays where it was.
21:44:49 <Rubidium> ltsampros: but there is a standard in this channel!
21:45:08 <planetmaker> :-O A commit by peternn
21:51:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18002 /trunk/src/lang/greek.txt: -Change: add cases to Greek and use them (fumantsu)
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22:29:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18003 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Cleanup: prune some unused functions from Window
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22:37:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18004 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Deduplicate some magic.
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22:48:07 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18005 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Convert the Prices struct into an array and an enum.
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