IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-09-29
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00:07:43 <Eddi|zuHause> stinkyfax_: about 15 minutes i think
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00:24:35 <PeterT> you're playing with me
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00:25:01 <stinkyfax> i was waiting for EX's city mania
00:25:14 <stinkyfax> looks like i failed to come at start)
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01:16:34 <stinkyfax__> where can i DL some Graphics packs? i'm too lazy to search 1 by 1
01:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> where can i find answer packs? i'm too lazy to reply 1 by 1
01:18:31 <stinkyfax__> there was a site with list of all gfc, can't find it now
01:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> seriously, grfcrawler and the openttdcoop wiki might be interesting for you
01:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause> or googling for "grf pack"
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03:09:31 <DaleStan> Rubidium: I would say that if prop 1D is 0 (barring interference from 28/29) the vehicle should not be refittable. Tracking down this code in TTDPatch could be interesting, though.
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06:49:59 <dihedral> hey Terkhen how's your patch pack coming along?
06:52:04 <Terkhen> it is stopped right now, I spend all of my "OpenTTD time" with my patches and I have almost no time to play
06:54:22 <dihedral> i have not played in a long time either!
06:57:44 <Terkhen> I don't think I will be playing much, I will be very busy in rl this year
07:12:47 <Terkhen> real life, but I think the sentence wasn't correctly written anyways :P
07:14:33 <dihedral> i know what rl stands for ^^
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11:17:43 <DorpsGek> dihedral: planetmaker was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: it's in the line of "first search, then post"
11:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what a bad highlight...
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11:23:36 <crakinshot> anyone going to vis09
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11:51:59 <stinkyfax_> where can i find MB's cargoset?
11:52:36 <stinkyfax_> much talk about it but i can't find it anywhere
11:52:49 <dihedral> you mean something like ECS?
11:53:03 <stinkyfax_> "warning: If used together with MB's cargoset,"
11:53:13 <stinkyfax_> what MB's cargoset means?
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11:58:42 <markk> Is Ludvig Strigeus one of the creators of OpenTTD?
11:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause> not "one of"... "THE"
11:59:29 <markk> Didn't know it was a swede who created it
11:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> stinkyfax_: it's a newgrf called "cargoset" created by "MB"
11:59:59 <blathijs> markk: He did stop working on it years back, though
12:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause> stinkyfax_: and it's heavily outdated
12:00:15 <markk> blathijs: mkay, that's sad
12:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> markk: it's not sad. people like him need a new project every once in a while, before they get bored
12:01:24 <blathijs> It's fortunate there have been enough people to take over :-)
12:05:43 <crakinshot> I guess that's the whole point of open source, once its going it doesn't need the original creator to maintain
12:14:23 <stinkyfax_> can smbody tell me the name of newgfc with many new industries like fuel, glass..
12:25:06 <oskari89> Stinkyfax_: ECS Vectors etc..
12:27:14 <glx> stinkyfax_: it's newgrf, not newgfc
12:45:44 <stinkyfax_> which newgrf has petrol stations? coz now i have petrol but no stations :D
12:50:37 <stinkyfax_> when i activate ecs town vector all industries dissapear
12:51:10 <Coco-Banana-Man> you have to start a new game when activating ECS
12:51:18 <dihedral> did you at all read the Readme that comes with ECS? or the website? or the forum thread?
12:55:41 <glx> newgrf order matters for ECS
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13:00:16 <crakinshot> god help me... trying to organise train tickets in the US
13:00:28 <Ammler> !unpause sets min_active_clients to 1 and !auto to 2
13:00:31 <crakinshot> royal pain in the ass, the conference changed the time of my talk
13:00:45 <crakinshot> so now I do my talk, then run for the train station. :D
13:00:56 <glx> train in US??? are you crazy ? ;)
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13:01:37 <crakinshot> well I give up worrying about it... if I miss my flight I'll book another one
13:02:48 <crakinshot> for some reason the Vis conference people decided, "lets have it in Atlantic city"
13:03:14 <crakinshot> of course it doesn't have an international airport, so I have to go to newark...
13:03:35 <crakinshot> could have gone to philidelphia I guess, but didn't realise that
13:04:48 <dihedral> ah. not installed, what a shame
13:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm bored and phlegmatic, not a great combination
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13:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> weird... i lost a file, it is not where it used to be and i don't remember moving it
13:37:07 <Belugas> [09:07] <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm bored and phlegmatic, not a great combination <--- i join you in that state of mind...
13:40:54 <De_Ghosty> hey are you running nix or window under sandbox anyone?
13:44:05 * Belugas 's son uses a sandbox, but he doubts you'd be interested
13:50:20 <De_Ghosty> i wanna software raid :o
13:50:28 <De_Ghosty> and window is not good at it
13:50:41 <De_Ghosty> i wanna see if i can raid in vmware and then boot window on top
13:56:33 <Belugas> Rapid Application Integrated Development?
13:57:12 <De_Ghosty> redundant arry of inexpensive disks
13:57:55 <Spoons> I'd much rather have a RAED.
13:59:10 <Fast2> De_Ghosty: What do you mean with "nix"?
13:59:40 <De_Ghosty> any flavor of linux
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15:07:29 <dihedral> would sdl be a feasable solution to the mac port?
15:07:36 <dihedral> odamex uses it (without x11)
15:08:10 <dihedral> what's so funny about that?
15:08:16 <crakinshot> I think Rubidium had a long conversation with someone on how SDL would cause so many problems
15:08:42 <dihedral> i know the mac port for odamex uses sdl, cause i just spoke to the mac maintainer there
15:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: afaik you can configure to use sdl, so try it.
15:09:54 <crakinshot> maybe its in the irc log, but if i remember correctly, it originally used SDL but then had to switch because of problems
15:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but a) the experience says it's very slow, and b) sdl is also not ported to 10.6 yet
15:10:16 <Rubidium> I've got 1 thing to say about SDL: read the fracking thread
15:10:47 <Rubidium> okay, actually 2 things:
15:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause> a propos fracking... i wanted to check for galactica...
15:11:20 <Rubidium> 13:17 <@DorpsGek> dihedral: <snip> was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <<snip>> <snip>: it's in the line of "first search, then post"
15:11:34 <TrueBrain> dihedral: it does mean you need to instlal SDL :p Last time you tried, you gave up on that step :)
15:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you people need to stop changing colours...
15:12:30 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I agree
15:12:48 <TrueBrain> pink, yellow, green
15:13:17 <crakinshot> hmm, well I'm in mibbit; nothing showing
15:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> like TrueBrain used to be blue, but now he is brown
15:13:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i blame Microsoft ;)
15:13:34 <Rubidium> ooh.. he must have had a nice and sunny vacation then
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15:13:55 <TrueBrain> (and still, it connects to USA servers :( )
15:14:00 <TrueBrain> and TrueBrain_ was to blame :p
15:14:11 <dihedral> TrueBrain, odamex works fine on my mac
15:14:32 <TrueBrain> dihedral: I am just stating past experiences you had with SDL :P
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15:17:38 <dihedral> well, i just walked in to #odamex to ask if their mac guy could possibly be interested in doing our mac port for some time
15:17:43 <dihedral> and that was the info i got out of it
15:18:09 <TrueBrain> I have another project for you to try too ;)
15:18:44 <Rubidium> anyhow, how does changing to SDL solve all problems, like 10.6 compatability?
15:18:44 <TrueBrain> "After an eighteen month wait, Odamex has an official Mac OS X package once again! "
15:20:06 <Rubidium> as for what it's worth SDL doesn't compile/work on 10.6 yet (at least the stable doesn't seem to) given the number of fixes they already have done and the number of still open bugs
15:23:09 <dihedral> 10.6 aint supported by openttd either
15:23:09 <dihedral> i was just thinking it might be worth the shot
15:23:09 <dihedral> at least i tried getting info
15:23:24 <TrueBrain> dihedral: now install SDL :) Please please please :)
15:23:32 <TrueBrain> (well, unless you have 10.6 of course :p)
15:24:01 <Rubidium> then tell us how to provide cross compiled binaries with SDL
15:24:24 <Rubidium> s/us/the victim who has to change the compile farm (that isn't me)/
15:24:33 <TrueBrain> so that makes me :p
15:24:55 <TrueBrain> does Odamex work on linux .. hm ..
15:24:56 <dihedral> Rubidium, i was just trying to find anything that could possibly be of help
15:25:06 <dihedral> TrueBrain, afaik - yes
15:25:18 <TrueBrain> no binaries, so it made me wonder
15:25:31 <Rubidium> reproposing the same idea over and over again does not help
15:26:01 <dihedral> it was at least pointing into a direction where it seemingly works
15:26:04 <planetmaker> SDL will need some serious patches in order to work. At least from what I could establish
15:26:17 <dihedral> planetmaker, grab a copy of odamex
15:26:37 <planetmaker> I don't even know what that is :-D
15:26:49 <TrueBrain> brr, their code has some serious warnings :(
15:27:00 <TrueBrain> (most 64bit related)
15:27:08 <TrueBrain> but also: a || b && c
15:27:30 <TrueBrain> and it takes an OpenTTD amount of time to compile :) :) :)
15:28:48 <crakinshot> Thankfully pretty quick on my rig.
15:29:16 <TrueBrain> dihedral: it indeed compiles (ignoring the nasty warnings :p)
15:29:44 <TrueBrain> I think, I guess, I assume, it requires the Doom / Doom2 WAD files
15:29:51 <TrueBrain> not that the README talks bout it for any system not Windows
15:30:10 <TrueBrain> the README also talks about 0.3 while I donwloaded 0.4.3 ... hihi :)
15:30:49 <dihedral> yes, you need the one wad file
15:30:51 <TrueBrain> odamex.wad: doom patch PWAD data containing 195 lumps
15:34:48 <TrueBrain> dihedral: nice project :) Too bad of the weird name :p
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16:19:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this is weird... i was just zapping through channels, and i landed on this channel called "2M Monde" but i can't identify the language they are speaking
16:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the people in the movie look southeast asian, but the language doesn't. and it appears badly dubbed ;)
16:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> judging from the writings on the advertisements, the movie might be korean
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16:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> aha... the channel appears to be maroccan
16:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the language is possibly arabic
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17:11:27 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: 2M is indeed maroccan
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17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17664 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)
17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: esperanto - 1 changes by raskolnik
17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_
17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: indonesian - 1 changes by prof
17:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv
17:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: romanian - 1 changes by kkmic
17:49:25 <Belugas> USED TO BE DEFINED is not the same as USED, TO BE DEFINED
17:49:41 <Belugas> even if the later does not make snes
18:24:43 <fjb> Why should something undefined not be in a used condition?
18:29:17 <frosch123> lots of stuff is being used without being properly defined
18:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> makes up for 95% of the cultural misunderstanding ;)
18:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> swapoff is an awfully slow process
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19:19:05 <Alberth> hello, are you sure that is an English word?
19:19:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... i love when small black objects drop on my dark carpet during the night
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19:38:52 <fjb> Only drop them at day time.
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20:00:22 <Coldfusionstorm_> "polite entrance"
20:00:45 <Coldfusionstorm_> how do i load in a save named 1943.sav in a dedicated server
20:00:48 <Coldfusionstorm_> i cant load it
20:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> with the -g option?
20:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> or from the console?
20:01:35 <PeterT> he said he can't load it
20:01:41 <PeterT> that implies that he's tried
20:01:42 <Eddi|zuHause> afair there was a "ls" option
20:01:43 <Yexo> just "load 1943.sav" in the query window?
20:01:44 <Coldfusionstorm_> ive joined from client
20:01:56 <Yexo> ah, you need to use rcon to execute commands on the server
20:02:06 <Coldfusionstorm_> rcon pass load "1943"
20:02:12 <Yexo> so something like: rcon rcon_passwd "load 1943.sav"
20:02:29 <PeterT> find the file number using "ls"
20:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Coldfusionstorm_: the whole server command must be enclosed in ""
20:02:57 <Yexo> only the first word of the command is given to the server, so if you use 'rcon pass load "1943"' all the server gets is "load"
20:02:59 <Coldfusionstorm_> i thought only the argument
20:03:17 <PeterT> yes, it gets quite annoying
20:03:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Coldfusionstorm_: the server command is an argument to the rcon command ;)
20:03:29 <Coldfusionstorm_> Ah, fair use :D
20:03:34 <Coldfusionstorm_> it almost worked now :D
20:03:35 <PeterT> especially rcon pass "server_name ! your server"
20:04:00 <Coldfusionstorm_> hehe ;D its private
20:04:36 <Coldfusionstorm_> still wont load it
20:04:42 <dihedral> which folder does the save game reside in?
20:04:53 <dihedral> relative from your config
20:05:07 <dihedral> (assuming you know where the config file is, the game is using)
20:05:12 <Coldfusionstorm_> oooooopsss (stupid smiley)
20:05:18 <Coldfusionstorm_> i did know that _:D
20:05:57 <Alberth> dihedral: save/autosave
20:06:30 <dihedral> as afaik 'load autosave/1943' does not work
20:06:36 <Coldfusionstorm_> here goes :D
20:06:39 <Coldfusionstorm_> no auto save
20:06:43 <Coldfusionstorm_> its a save im moveing
20:07:08 <dihedral> Alberth, why on earth would a file named 1943 be in autosave?
20:07:18 <Coldfusionstorm_> its a self save
20:07:37 <dihedral> a self save.... i love it when people come up with new words
20:07:48 <Alberth> earth must have saved it there :)
20:07:58 <Coldfusionstorm_> i saved it myself
20:08:06 <Coldfusionstorm_> processing all the bytes by myself :D
20:08:08 <dihedral> put the file in the save/ subfolder next to your openttd.cfg file
20:08:15 <Coldfusionstorm_> allready done it :D
20:08:21 <Coldfusionstorm_> but was a wrong save xD
20:08:31 <dihedral> pfft - you want support for that???
20:08:34 <dihedral> you must be kidding!
20:09:09 <dihedral> make sure that thing loads alright, else you'll start claiming that the dedicated server dies on loading a savegame
20:09:31 <PeterT> 'Search results for save - 15 results'
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20:10:06 <dihedral> the word "Brianettop" comes to mind
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20:11:53 <dihedral> Coldfusionstorm_, problem solved?
20:14:33 <Coldfusionstorm_> working on it :D
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20:16:21 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17665 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the extra viewport window nested
20:18:01 <Xaroth> I doubt the overhead is -that- significant to notice
20:18:21 <Xaroth> compared to the pathfinder...
20:18:27 <PeterT> yes, "1" isn't significant either
20:18:49 <PeterT> little things will add up
20:19:02 <Coldfusionstorm_> it dosnt load the savegames allright
20:19:37 <PeterT> would you mind making a forum topic so we can see the savegame/screenshot?
20:28:34 <Coldfusionstorm_> do i change the data if i rename it?
20:34:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17666 /trunk/os/rpm/openttd.spec: -Fix [FS#3193]: RPM spec failed for SUSE (Ammler)
20:39:10 <Eddi|zuHause> why is my screwdriver gone every time i am looking for it?
20:40:23 <glx> you'll find it when looking for something else
20:40:28 <Rubidium> because if you weren't looking for it you wouldn't a) notice that it is gone or b) it wouldn't be gone
20:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause> does murphy cover interdimensional rifts?
20:41:04 <Brianetta> Rubidium is basically stating the anthropic principle.
20:42:09 <Rubidium> actually, it's more like Schroedinger's cat
20:42:40 <Rubidium> as long as you aren't looking (i.e. open the box) you don't know that it is lost (i.e. the cat is dead)
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20:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so... why is the cat dead every time i look?
20:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "no animals have been hurt while programming this game"
20:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i also still have not found the piece that fell to the ground
20:48:28 <Rubidium> true, cause when I was cooking lobstar I wasn't programming :)
20:57:39 <SmatZ> google is so slowishly slow for my search terms :-/
20:57:58 <Rubidium> you haven't tried googling for google, have you?
21:07:51 <Rubidium> see... the internet is already falling apart
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21:12:55 <Rubidium> will there be any internet left at this rate?
21:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i should stop dropping things ;)
21:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> if i continue at this rate, i am out of parts to reassemble by midnight
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22:51:41 <fjb> Probably the next German foreign minister.
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22:57:22 <CraKinShOt> what was he trying to talk about? the divide between east and west?
22:58:05 <Eddi|zuHause> did he actually state yet that he wants to get foreign minister?
22:59:13 <Rubidium> why would the foreign minister need to talk English? They're all translated anyways
22:59:35 <Rubidium> it would even add extra work for those German TV stations who have to dub it
23:00:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's probably even better to use a professional translator than to talk sub-par heavily-accented english
23:00:38 <fjb> What else ministry should he get?
23:01:01 <Rubidium> the ministry of education in English
23:01:25 <fjb> His party will get that ministry. So he will probably that minister.
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23:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> just "because it has always been like this" doesn't mean it will happen again... he can claim whatever minister he wants to be
23:03:09 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: We are Germans. We don't change things that have always been like this.
23:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> there also were times where the foreign minister was not automatically vice chancellor
23:03:56 <Rubidium> none of the vice 'presidents' here are foreign minister
23:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause> cancellor != president ;)
23:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> we have a president, too
23:04:50 <Rubidium> we don't actually have a president
23:04:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but he doesn't really do much other than sign the laws
23:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> he doesn't even have a proper veto right
23:05:21 <Rubidium> oh, prime minister might be a better word
23:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> only if it is "obviously anti-constitutional"
23:05:40 <fjb> He can refuse to sign a law. But that happens not often enough.
23:05:55 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: our queen has veto right, but well... that doesn't quite happen
23:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well, our president actually did refuse to sign a law
23:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> our minister of interiour wanted to shoot down civilian planes [after 9/11]
23:08:05 * Rubidium wonders what other countries have a vice prime minister for 'Youth and family' (or even a minister for that topic)
23:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> and the president had the guts to say "are you insane?!?"
23:08:58 <CraKinShOt> tbh I wouldn't mind a little more dictatorship from the Queen... might stop wars of aggression... :/
23:09:25 <Eddi|zuHause> CraKinShOt: might as well start them...
23:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> CraKinShOt: and you guys are talking about different queens ;)
23:10:43 <fjb> Same minister of interior has plans to mix police and interior intelligence.
23:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, he really IS insane ;)
23:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> if the FDP wants to fulfil their claims about civil rights, they have to claim the department of interiour
23:12:18 <fjb> But they will not get it.
23:12:45 <fjb> They will get the ministry of justice.
23:12:46 <CraKinShOt> Germany has proplems with civil rights?
23:13:07 <Eddi|zuHause> all "western" countries have problems with civil rights
23:13:23 <Eddi|zuHause> since that day where the buildings fell...
23:13:27 <CraKinShOt> depends on what you define as a "problem"
23:13:46 <CraKinShOt> being too liberal can be a "problem"
23:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i consider people saying "we should learn from china for internet handling" a problem...
23:14:16 <MyCatVerbs> People are actually saying that? oO
23:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, they actually said that
23:14:27 <CraKinShOt> Yeah well thats a problem
23:14:49 <fjb> People of the party which just won the election.
23:15:10 <CraKinShOt> But in this country you can't smack you're kids anymore and now they are like monkeys running around the streets
23:15:23 <Rubidium> reminds me of a quote, which I can find right now, about banning cryptography because criminals use it
23:15:48 <MyCatVerbs> fjb: Wait, you don't go by the nick "flapjackboy" anywhere do you?
23:16:15 <MyCatVerbs> (Offtopic, but it'd be something of a coincidence if you did.)
23:16:49 <MyCatVerbs> Nevermind then. I'll just chalk it up to there only being finitely many permutations of three characters. ^^
23:17:14 <fjb> MyCatVerbs: Which characters?
23:17:25 <MyCatVerbs> fjb: 'f', 'j' and 'b'. :)
23:17:40 <MyCatVerbs> The person I'm thinking of was someone I knew a while back, who used the same nick on IRC.
23:18:56 <fjb> France banned cryptography some years ago. But they soon discovered that foreign spies easily got all their trade secrets.
23:19:33 <fjb> MyCatVerbs: There is a long tradition of three letter acronyms.
23:19:55 <MyCatVerbs> Oh wow. Did they really?
23:20:19 <fjb> It was about 10 years ago.
23:20:47 <Rubidium> guess you were out of free two letter acronyms :)
23:20:54 <MyCatVerbs> Oh. I suppose that it wouldn't have caused a big public outcry at that point? Not enough cypherpunks in the world yet back then.
23:21:49 <fjb> Rubidium: Two letters are not enough. Blame my parents. :-)
23:22:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, in the USA, cryptography software was illegal to "export" to other countries
23:23:20 <fjb> Even if it got imported from another country.
23:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause> because it was treated like weapon trading
23:23:43 <CraKinShOt> I found it funny when I bought a java book, some years ago, that it said "not to be sold in the US", simply because it had the cryptography libraries in it.
23:24:18 <Rubidium> they're funny in all kinds of ways
23:24:39 <Rubidium> though I wonder why exporting books isn't prohibited yet? They can be used as OTPs
23:24:56 <Rubidium> and excel sheets with financial information and indices into that OTP
23:24:58 <Eddi|zuHause> they only very slowly admitted that the more secret you keep cryptography algorithms, the more easily they can be cracked by "subversive elements"
23:25:23 <fjb> But why forbid anything? Just put everybody in solitary confinement.
23:25:43 <Eddi|zuHause> like some cell phone encryptions, which had blatantly wide open loopholes
23:25:48 <Rubidium> that happens for the million+ or so people on their watchlist
23:26:24 <fjb> PGP was exported printed in a book. :-)
23:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the export ban was only about software, not about printed material :p
23:27:59 * Rubidium doesn't quite fancy going to the US anymore
23:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> we have a phrase over here... "Rein ins System und von innen aufmischen" [modulo dialect]
23:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause> (along the lines of "fight the system from the inside")
23:31:28 <Rubidium> uhm... some systems can't be fought from the inside
23:32:05 <Rubidium> e.g. US border stuff
23:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> plus there is this cool article on the USA Erklärt blog, "the safest place from the reach of the US President [Bush at that time] is INSIDE the US, because the President has almost no interiour power
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23:33:31 <Eddi|zuHause> (they don't even have a secretary of interiour)
23:34:33 <Rubidium> just airports, school, governmental buildings and such aren't quite INSIDE the US then
23:34:44 <fjb> Its the new office of homeland security.
23:36:03 <Rubidium> the enormous insanity with all those checkpoints, metal detectors and such
23:37:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, if people carrying weapons is a daily sight, weapon detectors at sensitive places must also be...
23:37:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that's just a logical consequence of having liberal weapon laws (which, btw. are usually local laws, not federal and often not even state laws)
23:38:58 <Rubidium> "The US Senate has voted to allow passengers on Amtrak trains to transport handguns"
23:39:06 * fjb would only allow water guns.
23:39:15 <Eddi|zuHause> amtrak is a federal institution
23:39:22 <Rubidium> "Americans should not have their Second Amendment rights restricted for any reason, particularly if they choose to travel on America's federally subsidised rail line," said Republican Sen. Roger Wicker, who submitted the proposal.
23:39:45 <Rubidium> but *why* are they forbidden in federal buildings?
23:39:58 <fjb> Amtrak is emulation of planes on rails.
23:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember ever having been in a federal building
23:40:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i only remember standing in front of the FBI building, and that was pre-9/11
23:40:54 * Rubidium has been in some federal/state buildings
23:41:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i should have demanded entrance, because i am "J. Edgar" ;)
23:42:13 <Eddi|zuHause> (i do have the ID card to prove that :p)
23:42:31 <fjb> You may become a hoover craft by eating too many onions.
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23:49:33 <Rubidium> must say that (one of) the j.root servers is a quite boring machine
23:50:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what you're talking about
23:53:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so, why would a DNS root server be "interesting"? isn't DNS designed to run on minimal ressources?
23:53:52 <Rubidium> still, lots of requests and such
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23:56:13 * Rubidium is kind of bored now :(
23:59:25 <Rubidium> even the german tt forum isn't interested :(
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