IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-09-17
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00:05:53 <nicfer> I'm having troubles with his openttd updater
00:06:13 <nicfer> I'm running it under wine on my arch linux
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00:10:34 <DorpsGek> nicfer: Zuu was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Zuu> Night folks
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00:12:22 <welshdragon> Prof_Frink around?
00:26:27 <nicfer> does anyone have idea of the openttd autoupdater_
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00:27:13 <TinoDidriksen> You're running his auto-updater under Wine? That won't update your Linux version of OpenTTD...
00:28:22 <nicfer> I'm trying to update a windows version of openttd
00:28:31 <nicfer> which I'll run under wine also
00:28:54 <TinoDidriksen> Why not use the native version?
00:29:34 <nicfer> faster to update with the auto updater
00:30:24 <TinoDidriksen> Should be very simple to write a 4-line script for...
00:33:34 <nicfer> ok, I'll only need some way of detecting the latest openttd revision and I'll make it
00:34:53 <TinoDidriksen> svn up, make, make install
00:38:08 <TinoDidriksen> If you once have a setup where you've done a checkout, configure, make chain, the same folder can be used by svn up, make, make install.
00:38:28 <nicfer> I want to download a precompiled binary
00:39:17 <TinoDidriksen> It wouldn't compile from scratch every time...only changed files are recompiled.
00:51:20 <PeterT> why can't I change my nickname while connected to openttd.notice?
00:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> PeterT: because that's how it works
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00:53:28 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: sometimes moderated channels have been abused by changing your nick to get your message across
00:53:45 <Peter> I am now known as Peter :)
00:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i read that.
00:54:04 <Peter> whoever does that is stupid
00:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not the point
00:54:21 <Peter> so, if I talk, I get banned?
00:54:26 <Peter> or it won't go to the channel
00:55:34 <Audigex> eddi - presumably a grf on there isn't allowed
00:56:04 <Audigex> or isn't released etc
00:56:16 <Audigex> although technically, isnt any openttd screenshot in violation of copyright?
00:56:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Audigex: word of advice, don't presume anything when Sacro is talking :p
00:56:26 <Audigex> so i cant see that being an issue
00:57:05 <Eddi|zuHause> no, screenshots fall under "fair use" (or similar) terms in most jurisdiction
00:58:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and it was never proven that openttd itself is a violation of copyright
01:02:37 <Audigex> is tilting possible in openttd?
01:02:58 <Audigex> and eddi - whether or not openttd itself is in violation, the graphics are
01:03:34 <Audigex> i, personally, think that openttd is in violation, but the copyright owner doesnt have anything to gain so doesn't care
01:03:49 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said, fair use
01:03:59 <Audigex> i forgot about fair use :)
01:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause> although german copyright doesn't have the concept of fair use...
01:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it has some more strictly formulated exceptions to copyright
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01:09:18 <Audigex> but that also assumes it was made by a german
01:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that ought to be fairly easily to figure out
01:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... "cool"... the americans just invaded somalia...
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07:22:23 <dihedral> <Ammler> maybe someone should tell umj about email <- HEHEHE
07:22:30 <dihedral> or about pm'ing people!
07:22:36 <dihedral> or just saying what he wants!!
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07:33:08 <planetmaker> moin dihedral :-)
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07:34:12 <dihedral> pretty tired, but doing well
07:36:00 <planetmaker> pretty busy, but doing well, too :-)
07:47:04 <dihedral> missing something? :-P
07:54:13 <planetmaker> pretty much looks like :-P
07:59:15 * dihedral hands planetmaker an 'it'
07:59:27 <dihedral> there was an openttdlib folder on brians server
07:59:41 <dihedral> i believe it was a subfolder of the wordpress folder
08:00:01 <dihedral> if not, perhaps a level up or in wp-includes
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08:31:49 <dihedral> * TrueBrain hugs dihedral in his skirt
08:32:12 <blathijs> Hmm, no who is wearing the skirt in that sentence?
08:32:21 <Rubidium> you're wearing a skirt? Is it green with pink socks?
08:32:24 <TrueBrain> dihedral: please don't share your fantasie here
08:32:50 <dihedral> <dihedral> morning ladies
08:32:50 <dihedral> * TrueBrain looks under his skirt
08:38:49 <dihedral> Rubidium, that looks a bit like that kid who made that "leave brittney alone" video
08:39:09 <dihedral> TrueBrain, can you apply that theme to redmine? looks good ^^
08:39:58 <Xaroth> the theme of the forum?
08:40:15 <TrueBrain> Redmine will be byebye soon ... stupid annoying fucking retarded bloatware
08:40:30 <Xaroth> bloatware is an understatement tbh
08:40:43 <Xaroth> using 800 mb just to display a repository is.. wrong :P
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08:43:23 <Xaroth> Rubidium: at least you can't say he didn't stick to his word :)
08:49:22 * Muxy sends PACKET_CLIENT_JOIN
08:56:30 <TrueBrain> PACKER_SERVER_ERROR_VERSION_MISMATCH
09:08:38 <dihedral> TrueBrain, what about server full :-P
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09:23:40 <Muxy> SERVER_FULL will be after VERSION_CHECKING
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12:34:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17559 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3206]: close the "Add NewGRF" window when you close the "NewGRF Settings" window. The add window has a pointer to the settings which means that not deleting it would cause dereferencing an already freed pointer
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13:03:01 <Xaroth> hm, 20+ mil in year 7, started with 200k loan
13:05:50 <Xaroth> think the key is distant-join on this :o
13:22:00 <Xaroth> 38m/year in year 10.. but i didn't actually do anything until the last year
13:22:21 <Xaroth> distant join might be a bit unbalanced :P
13:38:23 <Ammler> dear devs, possible to make a exception on ISR bananas and allow us uploading the old incompatible versions?
13:43:31 <Ammler> I could provide you with the 3 grfs
13:49:12 <dihedral> Ammler, can you guess the answer to that one?
13:49:32 <Rubidium> and then we get flamed because we did something we weren't allowed to do?
13:49:52 <dihedral> and then everybody else will come and ask for an exception too :-P
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13:52:21 <Ammler> yeah, I just saw, andythenorth is part of ISR since 0.8.0 too, so I can ask him.
13:53:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: you should scale station spread with map size... 64 spread on a 2048² map is practically nothing, but 64 on a 64² map is the entire map
13:55:41 <Belugas> [09:38] <Ammler> dear devs, possible to make a exception <--- just by starting with "dear devs", somehow, the "no" switch was already on ;)
13:55:48 <Belugas> too polite to be honest :D
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13:57:31 <Ammler> that is maybe like dih already said, I guessed the answer ;-)
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14:00:17 <Belugas> well.. at least you tried :)
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14:35:34 <Belugas> mumbling grumbing swearing yelling crying punching breaking sitting coffeeing subbing silencing
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14:52:26 <welsh> you like jamming your chicen?
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14:56:25 <Belugas> no: WITH my guitar AND my friend
14:58:13 <welsh> you missed the rude joke then
14:58:29 <welsh> i didn't dare continue else i'd have been banned
14:59:34 <Belugas> i have not idea what that joke is/was/would be
14:59:47 <Belugas> guess i'm not in the same cultural environment as yours :)
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15:24:10 <Xaroth> Belugas: "Jamming your chicken"
15:24:16 <Xaroth> as in.. spanking the monkey
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15:30:47 <Belugas> yeah.. i got that... thanks again
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16:23:04 <SmatZ> Chris_Booth: don't think so
16:25:19 <SmatZ> Chris_Booth: can you reproduce it?
16:27:11 <SmatZ> neither in r17496, nor in trunk
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16:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause> they are burning
16:33:48 <Sacro> Chris_Booth: yes, but you seem to have used printscreen and saved it as a jpeg
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17:10:59 <Belugas> nice... niver every day... doing remote assitance over LogMeIn on a computer connected to Inernet on a dial up modem
17:13:52 <Eddi|zuHause> you sound like you are having fun :p
17:14:21 <Belugas> at the salary i'm paid , yes, it's a total joke
17:15:38 <Rubidium> click, game of solitaire, doing groceries, cooking lunch, eating lunch, making a post lunch core dump, coming back realising you still have no reply, another game of solitaire, reading one of the LOTR books, realising it's not done yet, another game of solitaire, realising you clicked the wrong button...
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17:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17560 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
17:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 94 changes by Tve4
17:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by dihedral
17:45:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: latvian - 3 changes by LDZ
17:45:42 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: turkish - 3 changes by niw3
17:45:42 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 48 changes by nglekhoi
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18:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm going to do something i will regret...
18:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm going to boot into windows...
18:02:24 <andythenorth> No I didn't do that.
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18:19:32 <fjb> What did you do? Painting new ships?
18:20:22 <andythenorth> fjb: putting a client app live with the wrong security settings
18:20:26 <andythenorth> I'm not supposed to do that
18:21:01 <andythenorth> my name is on the fail board]
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18:24:44 <mib_f6jp53> how is OpenTTD over a network in terms of stability?
18:26:39 <mib_f6jp53> excellent, thank you :)
18:29:09 <Belugas> that is if yu do not foul around with the sources and play a non-vanilla version of it...
18:29:17 <Chris_Booth> i can reproduce the bug
18:29:24 <Audigex> most non-vanilla are pretty stable too though
18:29:27 <Chris_Booth> i was just wondering if i should report it
18:30:10 <Audigex> i think i liked the look of it in non- and just decided to use it again
18:30:21 <Belugas> Audigex, always be extra cautious with "well tested" patches
18:30:30 <Chris_Booth> SmatZ: i can reproduce the bug
18:30:43 <SmatZ> Chris_Booth: great, please report it :)
18:31:01 <Chris_Booth> i just didnt want to report a bug allready know
18:31:22 <Chris_Booth> all you need to do it build a rake of wagons more than 100 long
18:31:34 <Chris_Booth> put a loco in the second position in the rake
18:32:03 <Chris_Booth> then build a second loco and take the front wagon off the rake to make a train length of 101 or more
18:33:51 <Chris_Booth> did you get it to work?
18:34:39 <dh2k3> I have a question in regards to settings and multiplayer games.
18:36:50 <dh2k3> I am an admin on one of the OTTD servers and we have airports disabled. But if you go to Advanced Settings> Interface>Interaction> Show building tools when no suitable vehicles are available. If a user turns it ON they can build airports which others can't as it's greyed out. Is it possible to not allow players to change that setting to allow them to not build them on that particular server?
18:37:34 <SmatZ> not without modifying sources
18:37:40 <SmatZ> it could be just server-side patch though
18:38:10 <dh2k3> but if I enable it on my side (client side) then I can build them
18:38:42 <dh2k3> and I believe on the server side it's turned off as well
18:40:54 <dh2k3> we are on 0.7.1 if that helps
18:41:59 <dh2k3> aye our owner hasn't updated to 0.7.2 yet
18:43:49 <SmatZ> server will still be able to build airport
18:43:50 <dh2k3> how do we install it on 0.7.1 stable?
18:43:56 <SmatZ> as well as singleplayer
18:44:13 * _ln is back from speaking Finnish with czechs, germans, hungarians and others
18:44:15 <SmatZ> patch -p 0 < no_airport.diff && make
18:44:36 <dh2k3> will that mean we would need to install that atch on our end as well?
18:45:23 <SmatZ> but expect people being confused
18:45:39 <dh2k3> SmatZ, what we are trying to do is prevent players from building airports when all they have to do is change one setting and they can build them
18:46:32 <SmatZ> the patch I supplied will forbid players from building airports
18:46:47 <SmatZ> but they still have the menu available
18:46:53 <dh2k3> even if they change it under the Advanced Settings> Interface>Interaction> Show building tools when no suitable vehicles are available.?
18:47:22 <SmatZ> then they will see the menu
18:47:31 <SmatZ> but airport won't be built
18:47:40 <SmatZ> without any error message or so
18:47:54 <SmatZ> but server will be able to build them
18:48:04 <dh2k3> and we have no ai anyways
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18:56:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r17561 /trunk/ (readme.txt src/misc_gui.cpp): -Fix: diacritics was missing at few places
18:59:17 <Rubidium> why forbid people from building airports?
18:59:44 <Rubidium> just forbid them from building aircraft; ought to work equally well for not getting aircraft
19:00:13 <SmatZ> Chris_Booth: are you going to report that bug?
19:00:20 <SmatZ> it shall be forgotten otherwise :-p
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19:00:40 <Rubidium> can I forget it? Please?
19:01:06 <SmatZ> Rubidium: is that hard for you? 8-)
19:01:30 <Rubidium> no, not even knowing what the bug is makes it extremely easy
19:03:43 <dh2k3> Rubidium, we have forbidden them to build planes but they can still build the airport if they use that setting
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19:05:27 <Belugas> cool... deserted airports :)
19:05:51 <Belugas> we have one near by, Mirabel International Airport
19:05:58 <Belugas> that is then a realistic feature!
19:07:01 <Eddi|zuHause> we have plenty of deserted military airports
19:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> since the russians retreated
19:07:18 <Chris_Booth> i will report it SmatZ
19:08:29 * Rubidium wonders when people want to actually forbid people from building 90 degree turns if that setting is turned off
19:10:02 <Belugas> so it seems that our friend dh2k3 does not like his landscape been populated with useless airports
19:10:37 <dh2k3> we like airports yes but on one of our servers they are disabled but on another they are enabled
19:13:58 <SmatZ> as we are talking about forbidding... today it's just 10 years since
19:14:27 <SmatZ> sorry for the long link
19:20:46 <Rubidium> what's 'more' interesting is that 18 year ago someone released the first version of his small hobby project to the internet
19:21:22 <Ammler> linus? or is that older?
19:21:22 <SmatZ> better translation would be "These scandals are just annoying everyone. I would ban all those Internets and Computers."
19:24:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it's only like 9 and a half years ago since i had internet
19:24:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and back then i didn't use it a lot
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19:43:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i will push you in
19:43:53 <Belugas> my tanks are not checked!
19:45:09 <Rubidium> what does a bit of leaking matter?
19:50:12 <Belugas> humidity in the tank -> corrosion of alumium, hydrostatic test could show cracks, tank would not be able to sustain 3000 psi / 200 bar as it should have
19:50:56 <Belugas> carrying a bomb on your back
19:52:04 <Rubidium> but you should've used transparant aluminium
19:55:55 <Rubidium> Aluminium oxynitride would do the trick too :)
20:01:06 <Dreamxtreme> Star Trek DVDRip ?
20:01:44 <Dreamxtreme> oops wrong room soz
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21:14:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17562 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#2972]: the NewGRF settings of (remote) network games did not get properly updated when the NewGRFs were rescanned causing reading of freed data
21:20:06 <dihedral> <Belugas> [21:05:27] cool... deserted airports :) <- still has a huge ass catchment
21:23:43 <dihedral> why on earth, do people who once met me like 10 years ago, now contact me in facebook???
21:34:59 <SmatZ> dihedral: they want to sell you something / convert you to nihilism / ???
21:45:58 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17563 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix: memory leak when viewing the NewGRF settings of a server
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23:30:22 <nicfer> I've installed the linux 64 bit version of OTTD (I have an athlon x2 7750 processor) but the binary doesn't execute
23:30:47 <nicfer> it says: bash: ./openttd: cannot execute binary file
23:31:04 <Sacro> are you using 64 bit linux?
23:31:42 <Rubidium> ofcourse I have a 64 bit linux!
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23:33:27 <Dreamxtreme> im running the 64bit version
23:33:46 <Dreamxtreme> that must something to do with why it crashes sometimes
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23:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... that was a sentence with X
23:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> <nicfer> it says: bash: ./openttd: cannot execute binary file <-- typical error message when you want to run 64bit software on a 32bit operating system or the other way round
23:37:16 <nicfer> how do I recognise if my linux is 64-bit capable?
23:38:47 <nicfer> my processor is 64 bit
23:38:55 <Sacro> nicfer: your distro isn't
23:39:05 <Sacro> you lack 64 bit libraries
23:41:53 <SmatZ> what distro do you have?
23:43:18 <nicfer> so, how do I install them?
23:43:34 <SmatZ> download one x86_64 ISO
23:44:39 <nicfer> is there any way to transform an i686 system into x86_64?
23:45:02 <SmatZ> I have never done it though
23:45:34 <SmatZ> it shouldn't be hard to reinstall the system
23:45:48 <SmatZ> just backup your /home and configuration from /etc
23:46:06 <SmatZ> unless you have separate partition for /home..
23:46:14 <nicfer> except that it doesn't back up installed programs
23:47:01 <SmatZ> you can try moving to x86_64 :)
23:47:51 <SmatZ> but even moving to x86_64 will need reinstalling of all packages
23:48:03 <SmatZ> so it's definitely better to start from scratch
23:50:58 <nicfer> well, then I'll just install the 32 bit version
23:51:19 <SmatZ> and less memory consuming
23:51:21 <nicfer> more precisely, the windows version through wine
23:51:57 <nicfer> I hate having two versions of the same program
23:52:41 <SmatZ> ok, it explains why you want to run it through wine
23:52:42 <nicfer> too much disk space wasted
23:53:17 <SmatZ> nicfer, are you on pills or what?
23:54:36 <nicfer> for games light like this yes, but for heavier ones, it helps
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