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02:00:14  <z-MaTRiX> hi.

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03:07:04  <Audigex> bedtime i think, night guys

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07:15:27  <Terkhen> good morning

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08:10:29  <dihedral> Yexo, why did you delete company merging code?

08:11:06  <dihedral> is it not still useable in single player?

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08:23:08  <Tefad> can no longer buy-out competitors?

08:23:40  <SmatZ> in 0.7, no

08:23:43  <SmatZ> in trunk, yes

08:24:04  <SmatZ> if you know what I mean *wink**wink*

08:24:21  <Tefad> say no more

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08:30:59  <Rubidium> in 0.7 you can still buy out competitors, you just can't buy them cheaply when companies go bankrupt

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13:04:19  <Belugas> hello

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13:56:11  <Audigex> quick question

13:56:15  <Audigex> please dont shoot down in flames

13:56:30  <Audigex> is there any indication of if/when cargodist will make trunk

13:59:34  <Yexo_> yes, the usual "when it's done"

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14:01:17  <Audigex> i suspected as much

14:01:21  <Audigex> :)

14:02:28  <deghosty> sometime between now

14:02:39  <Markk> and then

14:02:43  <deghosty> and never

14:02:45  <deghosty> :o

14:06:03  <PierreW> i also hope for ages for IS to join trunk :)

14:06:32  <PierreW> damn i should learn another language, just for coding on openttd.

14:23:18  <Belugas> personnaly, i'd say that cargodist has MUCH more chances to appear in trunk than IS

14:23:25  <Belugas> like... a big margin

14:23:34  <Belugas> but that is just my humble opinion

14:23:46  <Belugas> and note that i'm quite inactive...

14:23:53  <Belugas> in Openttd wor;d, that is...

14:23:58  <Belugas> world

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14:31:06  <dihedral> <Audigex> please dont shoot down in flames <- burn baby!!

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14:40:28  <PierreW> i even dont know what cargodist is :>

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14:48:31  <Belugas> what do you think the name stands for? :)

14:52:14  <Rubidium> something with limiting the distance cargo may travel?

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14:52:50  <dihedral> Rubidium, would that not be cargodEst? :-P

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14:53:53  <DaleStan> I can't find the bananas TOS. Do I have to register just to read it?

14:54:27  <Rubidium> DaleStan: does http://bananas.openttd.org/en/manager/tos/ work?

14:54:47  <DaleStan> It does.

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15:06:29  <deghosty> what we need is copy and paste :o

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15:21:52  * dihedral copies deghosty and pasts to /dev/null

15:22:33  <deghosty> Yes

15:22:37  <deghosty> i've been archived

15:22:38  <deghosty> :o

15:22:55  <Belugas> all you need is love

15:23:01  * dihedral copies /dev/null and pasts over deghosty 

15:23:02  <dihedral> :-D

15:25:01  <Belugas> deghosty, you don't NEED copy/paste.  You would like to have it, in order to ease your life and make the game easier

15:25:11  <Belugas> not the same thing

15:25:35  <Belugas> it's like "WE NEED UNDO FEATURE"

15:25:48  <Belugas> no... you don't need undo feature

15:26:04  <Belugas> you just don't nkow how to deal efficiently with the game... that's all

15:28:03  <Rubidium> dihedral: copying /dev/null over someone isn't very useful

15:30:05  <Rubidium> primarily because it is a black hole; nothing comes out of it

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15:36:43  <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: i believe you can't read /dev/null

15:37:27  <Eddi|zuHause> or possibly it just results in EOF

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16:11:22  <Skare> hi

16:12:06  <Yexo> hello Skare

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16:16:51  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17544 /trunk/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp: -Fix [FS#3202]: [NoAI] Crash when doing commands in the 'global' scope

16:18:22  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17545 /trunk/src/ (ai/ai_instance.cpp script/squirrel.cpp): -Fix [FS#3202]: [NoAI] AIs had 'infinite' time when running code from the global scope

16:21:51  <Ammler> TrueBrain: (or Rubidium) any chance, you make a compile run from the RV patch pack? (http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45049)

16:22:17  <TrueBrain> Ammler: as always, a Developer needs to sign off on that

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16:23:22  <Ammler> well, as it is a patch pack, it wouldn't help developing, it would be just for fun....

16:24:12  <Ammler> I just ask, if it is worth to ask :-)

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16:24:48  <TrueBrain> you asked for the chances :) Without any dev saying okay, they are zero. With them, they are 100% ;)

16:25:04  <TrueBrain> well, 99%, there is always the factor of me don't feeling like it :p

16:25:18  <Ammler> well, there is no hurry anyway...

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16:25:43  <Rubidium> does the CF actually do non-repository compiles?

16:25:56  <Ammler> it did with wwottdgd/1

16:26:13  <Rubidium> well, when was that?

16:26:22  <Ammler> (old CF)

16:27:07  <Rubidium> there you have it :)

16:27:37  <Ammler> well, setting up a repo would be easy....

16:27:47  <Ammler> hmm, just comes in mind.

16:28:08  <Ammler> the acceleration isn't supported by most rvs, as I read the thread...

16:28:19  <Ammler> newgrfs*

16:28:38  <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, /dev/zero will give you proper \0's, /dev/null will not

16:28:46  <dihedral> however, you /can/ read both

16:29:36  <dihedral> if you dont believe me try dd if=/dev/null of=file bs=1024 count=1024 and see what you get ^^

16:29:50  <Rubidium> 0 bytes

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16:30:31  <dihedral> then i did something wrong ^^

16:31:36  <dihedral> fuck :-P

16:31:37  <Rubidium> http://paste.openttd.org/216888

16:31:40  <dihedral> if=/dev/zero

16:32:07  <Rubidium> zero makes a 1048576 bytes big file with NILs

16:32:14  <dihedral> aye

16:32:22  <dihedral> my mistake ^^

16:32:24  <dihedral> crap

16:32:28  <dihedral> :-P

16:33:18  <Rubidium> and /dev/random is quite slow :)

16:34:06  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i noticed that, too ;)

16:34:46  <dihedral> then use /dev/urandom :-P

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16:36:07  <Terkhen> Ammler: only standard vehicles, the hover bus and non articulated HEQS vehicles work correctly... in eGRTVS there are some vehicles with power or tractive effort 0 and Long vehicles has very low tractive effort values

16:37:33  <Ammler> Terkhen: is that lack of the patch or newgrf code?

16:38:50  <Ammler> couldn't you assume a value for the newgrfs which didn't define it?

16:38:59  <Terkhen> andy set correct values for HEQS, but articulated vehicles stopped working correctly after some changes in the patch code, the rest of the sets have missing or incorrect values in newgrf code

16:40:09  <Terkhen> yes, the problem is deciding which value to use in each case

16:40:28  <Rubidium> missing values in NewGRF code should cause 'sane' defaults to be used, maybe even the ones that TTDP uses.

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16:42:07  <Terkhen> for tractive effort and air drag I am using the values defined in the documentation, the problem is for weight and power

16:43:20  <dihedral> 40t 1hp :-P

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16:50:31  <Terkhen> currently vehicles move at minimum speed of 1 mph, to allow vehicles with power 0 to move

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16:56:28  <Azrael-> aha, much better

17:09:04  <Sacro> that's what she said

17:12:13  <Prof_Frink> Sacro: ...

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17:14:42  <Dreamxtreme> and then i shot her

17:17:29  <Belugas> pagead2.googlesyndication.com blocks the forums from loading

17:17:38  <Belugas> FUCK ALL SYNDICATES!

17:18:33  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: I HAVE A HUSBAND YOU KNOW

17:18:52  <TrueBrain> you are gay?

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17:23:25  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: having two personalities of opposite genders does not constitute a marriage

17:23:37  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17546 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix (r9617): sign extending of profit calculation didn't work

17:24:30  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17547 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_callbacks.h station_cmd.cpp): -Feature: [NewGRF] Implement callback 145 (custom station rating)

17:26:17  <Eddi|zuHause> oooh, a feature...

17:26:23  <Eddi|zuHause> and even with explicit name :p

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17:30:49  <Rubidium> yeah, I'm naughty

17:33:17  <Prof_Frink> Sacro: That's what you said

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17:34:54  <Sacro> :(

17:34:59  <Dreamxtreme> :P

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17:43:46  <Eddi|zuHause> "good nfo" has something of an oxymoron ;)

17:45:48  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17548 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)

17:45:48  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

17:45:48  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau

17:45:48  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 1 changes by Gavin

17:45:48  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 changes by agenthh

17:45:50  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx

17:45:50  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 17 changes by fumantsu

17:46:15  <Doorslammer> English US?

17:46:36  <Doorslammer> Start Game Y'all button is fun I guess

17:46:49  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's where they replace all "ou" by "o" and all "trousers" by "pants"

17:46:59  <Doorslammer> :O

17:47:02  <Doorslammer> How illegal

17:47:14  <Doorslammer> Aluminum is murder :P

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17:48:23  <frosch123> [19:48] <Doorslammer> Start Game Y'all button is fun I guess <- thats English_You

17:48:27  <frosch123> +'

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17:51:00  <Doorslammer> Me?  :P  I've never said y'all

17:51:14  <Doorslammer> I think we should have Geordie as a language :D

17:52:19  <Sacro> why aye

17:52:42  <Prof_Frink> Someone should translate openttd for saturday.

17:53:21  <Doorslammer> Replace "OK" with "Areet, pet"

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17:54:45  <Markk> Can't Jamaican Patios be a language?

17:55:17  <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Yorksher translation?

17:57:05  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: T'TTD?

17:57:12  <Doorslammer> Replace "Train #x has broken down" with "Bloody Pacer!"

17:57:25  <Sacro> or T'T T'T T'D

17:57:38  <Doorslammer> Oh, brainsplode

17:57:39  <Prof_Frink> First train arrives at pit. Locals complain.

17:57:45  <Sacro> train x is bollocksed?

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17:58:20  <Sacro> mine collapses, locals blame thatcher

17:59:02  <Doorslammer> Your company is now bankrupt.  Now, when I were lad..."

17:59:03  <Prof_Frink> New road vehicle now available! Luxury! In my day we 'ad t' walk t'pit...

17:59:13  <Sacro> uphill, both ways

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18:03:50  <Sacro> porn + holst is an epic combination

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18:04:18  <Doorslammer> I learn so much on IRC

18:04:43  <Sacro> oh yes

18:07:08  <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Holst as performed by Symphony X?

18:12:40  <Sacro> no

18:12:44  <Sacro> thouhg i might google that one

18:13:00  <Sacro> holst as performed by the portsmouth sinfonia ;)

18:13:05  <Sacro> youtube iut

18:13:10  <Sacro> ooh DAMBUSTERS :D

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18:13:52  <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Symphony X == Prog metal.

18:15:28  <Sacro> ahh nice

18:15:39  * Sacro gets in a spitfire and goes dam busting germany

18:16:00  <Prof_Frink> A lanc might be more conventional.

18:16:04  <Prof_Frink> But now, climbing.

18:16:20  <Sacro> ooh yes

18:16:23  <Sacro> i'd love to go climbing

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18:23:46  <Sacro> whoo

18:23:49  <Sacro> the Archers :D

18:25:07  <_ln> it's a man's life in the british dental association

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18:47:55  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17549 /trunk/src/subsidy.cpp: -Fix (r17128): Distance limit for town to town subsidies got lost.

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19:41:52  <PeterT> quiet

19:43:37  <Eddi|zuHause> you broke it.

19:46:56  <Belugas> can I fix it? can I?  pleasssssse!

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19:52:23  <welshdragon> PeterT: you're a clanmega player, correct?

19:56:53  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17550 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix (r8973): Aircraft are good enough, don't make them even better.

20:13:59  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17551 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#3201] (r17222): vehicles waiting for their time table didn't load anymore after their initial load was completed

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20:17:56  <PeterT> welshdragon: yes

20:18:01  <PeterT> welshdragon: Indeed I am

20:18:08  <welshdragon> PeterT: it's ok

20:18:12  <PeterT> what?

20:18:15  <PeterT> what was the question?

20:18:16  <welshdragon> i've solved my problem

20:18:23  <welshdragon> needed to connect to a server

20:18:29  <welshdragon> and didn't know the password

20:19:06  <PeterT> which server?

20:19:49  <PeterT> which clanmega server has a password?

20:20:13  <Chris_Booth> none

20:20:22  <PeterT> thats what I though?

20:20:24  <PeterT> *though

20:20:26  <PeterT> *thought

20:20:27  <PeterT> grr

20:20:46  <PeterT> oh, you mean WAS set map?

20:20:49  <PeterT> that has a password

20:20:52  <Rubidium> XeryusTC: can you stop your bouncer from telling us you disconnected from it? I.e. make it stop changing your nick

20:20:53  <Chris_Booth> should this be spoken about in #OpenTTDMegaclan?

20:21:09  <PeterT> yes

20:21:26  <PeterT> welshdragon: join #OpenTTDMegaclan

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20:28:29  <Belugas> NO!! DON'T!!!!  They will cut you in little pieces!!!!

20:28:38  <Belugas> EVIL EVIL EVIL!!!

20:28:44  <PeterT> NO NO!

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20:42:03  <andythenorth> ^^ Dreamxtreme has gone to work on the brainfuck -> newgrf compiler

20:42:08  <andythenorth> maybe

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20:43:35  <andythenorth> how is Belugas today?

20:45:50  <Belugas> as usual... over-stressed, over-worked, over-bored, -over-watching-time-flying-too-slow

20:45:53  <z-MaTRiX> hi.

20:46:03  <Belugas> but i've got good NEW music!

20:46:09  <Belugas> hey z-MaTRiX

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20:46:22  <z-MaTRiX> hey, back from life?

20:48:15  <Belugas> nope

20:48:28  <Belugas> still two feet deeply planted in it

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20:48:59  <andythenorth> ah life

20:49:12  <andythenorth> try once a day.  if product disagrees, stop using

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20:58:56  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17552 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: rename load_unload_time_rem to something more generic as it's used for more than just load/unload. Also add some documentation about where it is used.

21:01:31  <Belugas> and

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21:01:34  <Belugas> gone

21:01:37  <Belugas> BYE@!!!!!!

21:03:00  <Rubidium> night Belugas

21:03:21  <Rubidium> sweet dreams about diving some with some white whales or so :)

21:03:37  <Terkhen> good night Belugas

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21:11:33  <Fast2> Good night

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21:43:21  <Rubidium> Ammler: any progress on the RPM spec thingy?

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21:45:10  <umj> Enter text here...

21:45:18  <umj> dih hyou around?

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21:46:05  <Chris_Booth> dihedral: are you arround

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22:00:33  <Nite_Owl> Hello all

22:03:31  <Ammler> Rubidium: the suse server farm was shut down this weekend and is still somehwo slowly...

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22:11:34  <Rubidium> ghehe, lets assume that farm ran 50% of the time, 4 days off means it needs 4 days to recover

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22:17:41  <Terkhen> good night

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22:24:21  <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Well, not real climbing.

22:40:20  <Audigex> is anyone here able to throw me together a "quick" grf?

22:40:33  <Audigex> quick as in it's one model, already drawn, which I'm not that bothered about stats for

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22:41:03  <HackaLittleBit> evenin

22:42:45  <HackaLittleBit> Rubidium: I think you forgot to change 3x 'load_unload_time_rem' var in train_cmg.cpp, Changed it and now it compiles :)

22:43:13  <HackaLittleBit> line 37\6

22:43:17  <Rubidium> uhm... really?

22:43:32  <HackaLittleBit> 3716

22:44:39  <Rubidium> grep load_unload_time_rem -R src --exclude-dir .svn|wc -l <- kinda returns 0

22:45:39  <Rubidium> or in other words: don't complain to me about patches you've got applied (possibly in conflicted state)

22:48:05  <Rubidium> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp#L3716 <- don't see a load_unload_time_rem there

22:48:10  <HackaLittleBit> Nah , he ooops you are to fast.

22:48:14  <Xaroth> don't see it either.

22:48:22  <HackaLittleBit> its my fault

22:48:32  <HackaLittleBit> its in my pach

22:48:40  <Xaroth> * HackaLittleBit is now known as BreakingItaLittleBit

22:48:51  <HackaLittleBit> Jah

22:49:28  <DaleStan> svn st and svn diff are your friends.

22:49:45  <Rubidium> svn revert -R . too ;)

22:49:56  <HackaLittleBit> Lol

22:50:14  <HackaLittleBit> See tou guys

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22:50:56  <Xaroth> he came, he moaned, he got corrected, and left.

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23:20:39  <nicfer1> hello

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23:24:12  <nicfer1> one question, is there any trainset that have got trains with different acceleration methods?

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23:26:55  <nicfer1> for example, one that doesn't slow down on curves, others than can go uphill easily, quick acceleration, etc.

23:27:57  <nicfer1> wait, can grfs in ottd modify the acceleration method?

23:32:43  <Audigex> they can give it more power

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23:32:57  <Audigex> which therefore makes it accellerate faster

23:33:03  <Audigex> and vice versa

23:33:11  <Audigex> (+tractive effort)

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23:35:12  <Audigex> i think that they can also make it not slow as much on curves

23:35:27  <Audigex> but that's to do with tilting trains

23:35:43  <Audigex> uphill easily i think would just be linked to accelleration, although lower wieght would also help

23:35:50  <Audigex> so all 3 are possible, maybe :)

23:36:20  <Audigex> although it's not "make it go up hills better" it's "make it lighter"

23:36:27  <Audigex> or "give it more power"

23:36:43  <Eddi|zuHause> nicfer1: there is supposed to be a "tilt" flag, which gives bonus in curves, but i don't know if that is actually implemented

23:37:38  <Audigex> i think it's implemented in ttdp

23:37:49  <Audigex> but only because i recall someone saying they made a grf to test it

23:38:01  <Audigex> no idea about ottd

23:38:13  <Audigex> although i always thought the UKRS pendolino used it, i never actually checked

23:38:38  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, a few grfs use it, like 2cc i believe, but i never played any of those

23:39:04  <Aali> ottd supports tilting trains

23:40:13  <DaleStan> It is implemented in Patch. IIRC, it was implemented in Patch before Open was much more than ludde's pet project.

23:41:16  <Aali> DaleStan: it's always a competition with you :)

23:43:13  <nicfer1> my idea was giving the game more strategic-ish

23:43:17  <nicfer1> making*

23:43:51  <Eddi|zuHause> i never questioned TTDPatch... if nothing specific is mentioned, i mean OpenTTD

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