IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-05-30
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00:00:17 <Yexo> try "svn up" first to get the latest, try if that works
00:00:27 <theholyduck> i had 2 openttd src dirs
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00:00:30 <theholyduck> and i cded into the bugged one
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00:01:11 <theholyduck> i really should clean up ~/usr/src
00:03:30 <theholyduck> meh, i forgot to do make -j4 ;(
00:03:37 * theholyduck hates waiting for compiles to finnish
00:03:57 <Yexo> you can ust interrupt make with ctrl_c and start it again with -j4
00:04:16 <theholyduck> Yexo, well yeah, but i fear that 1 day, im going to wreak my box doing that :P
00:04:28 <Yexo> what could go wrong with that?
00:04:32 <theholyduck> also i'm used to compiling mplayer, wich wll stab you in the face at the slightest provocation
00:04:51 <theholyduck> basicly i'm afraid of doing anything that might in any small way make the compiler hate me
00:05:06 <theholyduck> i COULD make clean and restart
00:05:19 <theholyduck> its done now anyway
00:05:21 <Yexo> why would you do make clean?
00:05:37 <theholyduck> Yexo, paranoia and suprestition mostly
00:05:49 <theholyduck> mplayer has runined me
00:06:03 <theholyduck> i allready finnished the single threaded compile though
00:06:08 <theholyduck> openttd is tiiiny
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00:45:56 <theholyduck> for the timeees, they are a-changiing
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01:47:55 <exi_> i'v got a question regarding the multiplayer/online play
01:48:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that's nice for you
01:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> would you be so kind as to share the question, so everybody could have one?
01:48:58 <exi_> Eddi|zuHause: nicht gleich so unfreundlich :)
01:50:58 <exi_> ok, my problem is, i'm hosting a game, all forwardings are set properly, my friend is able to connect, but while sharing the savegame openttd only uses 30kb/s, which is very slow
01:51:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so, there's a bandwidth limit that you don't know about?
01:52:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it's 98% your router's fault, and openttd has nothing to do with it
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01:53:11 <exi_> iv set many routes, also to our internal server and usually except openttd everything counld upload at 300kb/s
01:53:36 <exi_> it's just openttd that's acting strange
01:55:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i still say it's just correlation, not causality
01:56:21 <exi_> glx: no, gigabit ethernet
01:57:05 <exi_> total traffic, 15kb/s inbound, 25kb/s outbound
01:58:33 <glx> did you try sending a file to your friend ?
01:59:50 <Aali> doesn't ottd use UDP for file transfers?
02:00:15 <Aali> UDP could very well suck balls and you would still see good performance everywhere else
02:02:28 <glx> maybe it's just an overloaded route
02:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause> UDP is only for querying servers
02:02:53 <Eddi|zuHause> not for ingame communication
02:05:19 <exi_> glx: no, my upload to other hosts via sftp is 300kb/s
02:05:47 <exi_> but his download speed is also ~80kb/s from other hosts
02:06:57 <exi_> and my upload over exactly this forward rule to another host is also 300kb/s
02:07:31 <exi_> ok, my friend is checking his connection...
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02:32:05 <Belugas> apparently, it works hehe
02:34:43 <exi_> hmm, i'm not in the mood of investigating this any further today
02:34:50 <exi_> so thanks for the try, bye
02:37:37 * Belugas is on the mood for...
02:38:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's getting light over here, i should go to bed, too ;)
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05:30:55 <DaleStan> Belugas: How much do you know about feature 0F in OpenTTD? Specifically: If a GRF sets property 08 for feature 0F, will it be disabled? If a GRF sets property 11 for feature 0F, will it be disabled?
05:33:16 <DaleStan> Oh, and one more: If a GRF contains Actions 1, 2, 3, and/or 4 for feature 0F, which (if any) of those will cause the GRF to be disabled? (Assuming the sprite is otherwise valid.)
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07:59:13 <z-MaTRiX> do you know girls with 130+ iq?
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08:33:41 <Bjarni> <z-MaTRiX> do you know girls with 130+ iq? <-- I think so
08:33:53 <Bjarni> but... how is that related to this channel?
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09:02:52 <z-MaTRiX> Bjarni, if you want to relate it, guess clever girls as programmers
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11:01:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16463 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp window.cpp window_gui.h): -Cleanup: Code style fixes.
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11:24:19 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16464 /trunk/src/music/libtimidity.cpp: -Codechange (r16422): Added a missing const_cast<>
11:30:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16465 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Eliminated GetGloballyFocusedWidget(), it was used only once.
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11:42:31 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16466 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Improved wording in comments.
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12:24:20 <Belugas> DaleStan : it's not finished yet (real life block - inspiration lost). As to how the system reacts once a grf tries to load those props, it's totally unknown to me. If you can spare a sample, i might tell you or even correct the system, given time, of course
12:24:32 <Belugas> if even it is broken, of course ;)
12:42:06 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16467 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Unduplicate setting of widget focus (with thanks to Smatz).
12:52:14 <Belugas> hello frosch123 :) sorry, was doing home cleaning routine
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13:43:53 <DorpsGek> Hirundo: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> you catched on on that? :)
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14:18:19 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16468 /trunk/src/osk_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use GetWidgetOfType() for finding an edit box.
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17:09:49 <DaleStan> Belugas: I can test myself, then.
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17:21:03 <Rubidium> I propose someone and You
17:21:18 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: you was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: * You have been kicked.
17:23:50 * frosch123 is quite impressed that the first thing you need is a project manager
17:25:03 <Eddi|zuHause> not only does it need a project manager, it needs a BIG project manager
17:25:32 <Rubidium> so should it be an American?
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17:32:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: translators * r16469 /trunk/src/lang/ (afrikaans.txt luxembourgish.txt):
17:32:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-05-30 17:31:31
17:32:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 6 fixed by Chilli (6)
17:32:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 290 fixed, 793 changed by *jigo* (1083)
17:33:12 <andythenorth> 'Scuse me if I'm being dense, or missing something obvious in the TTDPatch wiki...is there a newgrf method for an industry to trigger a player alert (news or similiar)?
17:34:35 <glx> there are 2 callbacks able to return a news message
17:39:34 <andythenorth> Ah thanks. Tying it to the production change makes sense, that's likely what we'll use to control any changes to an industry.
17:40:21 <frosch123> you can also issue a newsmessage without changing the production with those callbacks :)
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17:43:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16470 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r14293): track reservation was drawn at bridge heads in the menu
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17:48:34 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16471 /trunk/bin/data/opntitle.dat: -Fix (r16461): don't test in 0.3.4 when you meant to test in trunk@HEAD.
17:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it appears to work, but the colour scheme is messed up...
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18:05:36 <mikk36> is the station_spread changeable during multiplayer game ?
18:06:11 <glx> but it's probably a server side setting
18:06:58 <mikk36> yeah, but i can't seem to be able to even get the value using setting command over rcon
18:07:41 <mikk36> both "rcon pass setting station_spread" and "rcon pass setting station.station_spread" return the basic informative text
18:10:50 <mikk36> no matter what setting i try to get
18:10:59 <mikk36> it always prints out just the informative text
18:10:59 <SmatZ> mikk36: rcon pass "setting station_spread"
18:12:04 <mikk36> also, the wiki has been left unchanged
18:12:12 <mikk36> nothing about the setting command
18:12:31 <mikk36> list_patches should also be changed to list_settings i guess
18:12:58 <mikk36> aha, both list_patches and list_settings work
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19:37:56 <dihedral> svn info -r {"2009-03-30 20:00:00"} svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src
19:38:04 <dihedral> svn: Failed to find time on revision 8235
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19:40:55 <dihedral> svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default'
19:41:14 <frosch123> "svn log -r8230:8240 svn://svn.openttd.org" <- someone messed there :)
19:42:14 <dihedral> frosch123: however, other days it works perfectly fine
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19:45:18 <frosch123> dihedral: I guess it does some binary search in the revisions :) 8235 is HEAD/2 :)
19:46:17 <dihedral> still odd how it can work some days and not others
19:46:39 <Bjarni> the bug knows how to tell the time
19:46:43 <dihedral> thought i could imagine the logs of folders one has no access too looks like
19:46:47 <frosch123> dihedral: because not every day 8235 is HEAD/2 ?
19:47:16 <Bjarni> I read about a bug which was only triggered on certain times. The minutes had to be something specific meaning the bug showed up once every hour
19:47:36 <dihedral> frosch123: other days it's not HEAD/2 either :-P
19:47:53 <dihedral> and i have been seeing the results of this for the past - dont as me how long - some weeks now
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19:49:00 <dihedral> + a simple svn info works
19:49:33 <frosch123> dihedral: either you do not understand me, or I do not understand you, or both
19:49:57 <dihedral> svn info svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src <- works
19:50:12 <dihedral> svn info -r 14670 svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src <- works
19:50:30 <frosch123> dihedral: does any -r {date} work for you today?
19:50:35 <dihedral> svn info -r {2009-05-30} svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src <- does not
19:50:50 <frosch123> does it start working again once HEAD has reached r16480 ?
19:51:09 <dihedral> we dont have that rev yet
19:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause> quick, make 10 commits :p
19:51:42 <frosch123> exaclty dihedral, it does not matter which date you enter, it generally not work today, as HEAD/2 results in an invalid revision
19:52:25 <frosch123> so you have to wait until HEAD/2 does not result in an invalid revision, and it will also work for 2009-05-30
19:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> or "someone" fixes the revisions
19:54:48 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause: in that case 'someone' would be TrueBrain, and he's gone for the weekend
19:55:27 <dihedral> thee only other person i know who would fiddle about with that, is Rubidium
19:55:45 <dihedral> and i guess he'd wait for TrueBrain to come back :-P
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19:57:05 <frosch123> the only person I know who would care to reroll the repository to insert emty revisons with fictional dates is "someone"
19:57:25 <dihedral> that data is in flat files
19:58:12 <dihedral> + i dont get why you need to access 'HEAD/2' for an -r {date}
19:58:40 <frosch123> dihedral: wiki/google for "binary search"
19:58:51 <frosch123> and apply it to the problem of finding the revision to a date
19:59:46 <dihedral> i shall haed to sleeps
20:01:06 <glx> so it will fail for HEAD/2 = 10000 too :)
20:04:21 <Bjarni> why is HEAD/2 interesting anyway?
20:04:46 <frosch123> Bjarni: wiki/google for "binary search" and apply it to the problem of finding the revision to a date
20:05:42 <Bjarni> ask svn for a certain date
20:05:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i feel like in #groundhog
20:06:07 <Bjarni> I have done that once in a while
20:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: yes. and how would svn then search for that date?
20:07:05 <Bjarni> read the source and you will know
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20:09:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll close this case as a "you don't get it"...
20:10:37 <Bjarni> but I asked because I failed to see the problem ;)
20:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause> ok. let me spell this out for you... in 99.8% of all cases, searching in a sorted list is implemented by binary search, so by 99.8%, the search implemented in svn is a binary search
20:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> so to find a revision to a date, svn would look at the revision of HEAD/2 [the middle]
20:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> then it would check if that revision's date is less or more than the given date
20:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and jump into the middle of the appropriate subrange...
20:13:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16472 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: set vehicle type in SpecializedVehicle constructor instead of constructor of each vehicle type
20:13:28 <Bjarni> but if svn can do this for you then why is this an issue?
20:13:51 <Eddi|zuHause> because SVN crashes, when HEAD/2 is not a valid revision
20:15:08 <SmatZ> it also assumes date(revision x) > date(revision x-1)
20:15:34 <SmatZ> maybe it would be nice to be able to disable binary search in this case
20:15:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes... the list has to be sorted for binary search to work
20:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> non-binary search is very slow...
20:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it would be more appropriately to build a separate index
20:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and then search on the index instead of the revisions
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20:44:47 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16473 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2934](r16442): show all non-effect vehicles in the minimap, not only effect vehicles
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21:16:46 <oskari89> Not working here, damn..
21:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> command character is @
21:17:04 <DorpsGek> oskari89: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 4 hours, 1 minute, and 9 seconds ago: <Pikka> planetmaker: but they still own the copyright
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