IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-05-25
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00:50:36 <EoD> i'm off now. Good night everyone
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06:24:38 <dihedral> <Mrs_Console> [08:05:30] openttd: /home/fairplay/openttd/src/strings.cpp:672: char* FormatString(char*, const char*, const int64*, uint, const char*): Assertion `i != __null' failed.
06:26:32 <dihedral> oh - that's yesterdays nightly :-P
06:26:45 <dihedral> eh... the one before last :-P
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12:26:23 <Ammler> could you add a tag to your repo
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13:19:19 <Belugas> hello lucky-mister-i'm-at-home :)
13:20:37 * yorick thinks plane crashes should be disabled
13:22:12 <Noldo> why? planes are practically cheats already
13:23:10 <Belugas> yorick, if you do that, disable train crash too
13:23:18 <Belugas> that would be much more logical
13:23:27 <yorick> plane crashes are far too realistic
13:23:31 <yorick> and so are train crashes!
13:23:58 <Belugas> vehicles just stop in a second flat
13:24:23 <Belugas> peter -> at least RDMS!!
13:26:00 <Belugas> paradox -> DB (kinda) :D
13:26:13 <Belugas> Relational Database Management System !!
13:28:30 <petern> right, in the garden with the strimmer, time
13:30:04 <Belugas> ooops... sorry... I forgot you were not in the mood of technical jokes ;)
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13:43:19 * dihedral thinks yorick should be disabled
13:43:39 <dihedral> just as plane crashes are a desaster in openttd, you are .... *grin*
13:48:51 <petern> Belugas, of course i am, i'm just slow, and didn't get it :(
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14:23:20 <Belugas> petern -> me keeps on listening to ElectroIndianDance
14:23:29 <Belugas> and ghooooooostbumps too :D
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16:12:37 <Ammler> how do I revert with git?
16:13:12 <frosch123> with git or with hg? :p
16:14:17 <frosch123> which reverts all files btw :p
16:14:32 <Ammler> hmm, isn't the question clear?
16:14:49 <Ammler> I need a git pendant to "hg revert ."
16:14:49 <SmatZ> both questions are clear
16:15:15 <SmatZ> the first question is clear
16:15:25 <SmatZ> the second makes things meaningless
16:16:14 <yorick> hm, after sending the session key to the client, the master server stops handling the packet, so the client has to resend it?
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16:28:46 <Ammler> well, rm <repo> -Rf and git clone is as good ;-)
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16:30:40 <SmatZ> I was lost while trying to work with git too
16:30:49 <SmatZ> it was still creating branches
16:31:17 <SmatZ> if I wanted to upgrade, I had to do somthing like "git pull && git checkout origin/master"
16:31:32 <SmatZ> but it was still warning about changing branches
16:31:53 <SmatZ> there is "mercurial for svn users"
16:32:01 <SmatZ> but I didn't find any "git for svn users"
16:35:33 <Prof_Frink> Is there a "git for mercurial users"?
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16:47:10 <yorick> Ammler: is it git checkout?
17:05:17 <Ammler> frosch123: your grf2html could instead of the html also make a nice text file which theoretically would be able to encode again
17:05:50 <frosch123> then it would not be grf2html
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17:06:08 <Belugas> Ammler, have yu ever heard of grfcodec?
17:06:09 <Forked> but based on all of what you just said.. I blame orudge !11one
17:06:31 <Ammler> grf2wellCommentedNfo :-)
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17:15:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16423 /branches/0.7/ (15 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:15:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
17:15:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not allow content download via the console when there is no zlib as it is done for the GUI already [FS#2919] (r16420)
17:15:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Some 64bit architectures require size_t to be aligned at 8-byte boundary, ensure it for MemBlock (r16415)
17:15:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AISignList that can be used to get a list of valid signs (r16400)
17:15:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Disable multitile houses with non-zero population on additional tiles as they cause desyncs and because the specs do not allow that either (r16383)
17:15:31 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Valid UTF-8 sequences between 0x20 and 0xFF should be allowed as is instead of being treated as control codes (r16374)
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17:50:58 <Spizania> so theres no OBB set anywhere? :(
17:51:28 <Spizania> whichever one is Austrian
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17:55:06 <oskari89> Someone was speaking of that submarine..
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17:57:55 <Belugas> oh noes.. not the submarine of death!!
18:22:40 <Ammler> Has the svn repo for grf2html moved?
18:22:48 <Ammler> dumbledore.zernebok.com isn't reachable
18:23:26 <frosch123> yeah, seems offline
18:23:50 <frosch123> r212 should be head :)
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18:39:36 <orudge> frosch123: ah, one sec
18:40:05 <frosch123> thanks orudge, works :)
19:07:07 <petern> can't be, it's not realistic enough
19:14:57 <z-MaTRiX> dbg: [misc] Nested widgets give different results
19:15:11 <frosch123> z-MaTRiX: not important
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19:31:02 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16424 /trunk/config.lib: -Codechange: warn about casting-out 'const' only when using gcc4+, older versions give many useless false positives
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19:35:41 <welshdragon> if i stick a PBS signal in the meddle of a station with no crossovers, will a train that stops there use the far platform?
19:36:25 <_ln> zomfg, OpenTTD is under review for Fedora.
19:37:31 <_ln> no... just that it has flags.
19:37:57 <SmatZ> and forced opengfx and no-sound
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20:22:51 <armbruster> Guys, how do I install OpenTTD on a Mac?
20:23:39 <planetmaker> armbruster: download, unzip, enjoy?
20:23:42 <_ln> I would be surprised if that isn't documented somewhere.
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20:23:56 <armbruster> 'Cannot open file sample.cat'.
20:24:05 <planetmaker> yes. That's not a mac issue.
20:24:13 <armbruster> How do I install all that?
20:24:15 <planetmaker> There's a readme which obviously wasn't read
20:24:29 <SmatZ> planetmaker is very right :)
20:24:36 <planetmaker> but google will help you indeed :)
20:24:46 <_ln> copy sample.cat and other necessary files from your original TTD CD.
20:25:46 <armbruster> I read it, and I can't find sample.cat and those files.
20:26:53 <armbruster> Well, I only found sample.cat.
20:26:58 <Prof_Frink> Like _ln said, they're on your TTD CD. Or in 3407.
20:27:08 <armbruster> I don't have the TTD CD.
20:27:18 <armbruster> But I do have a .zip of it all.
20:28:39 <SmatZ> there is no topic with number 3407!
20:29:26 <SmatZ> armbruster will hardly understand 3407 :-p
20:29:33 <armbruster> Nevermind, got it.
20:29:55 <SmatZ> he failed to extract the archive
20:30:12 <SmatZ> I never knew OpenTTD was *sold* in a zip archive :-/
20:30:36 <Prof_Frink> See this is the problem. You've got /mac users/ using openttd.
20:31:09 <Prof_Frink> If it's more complicated than point-and-drool they're completely flummoxed.
20:33:51 <planetmaker> thank you Prof_Frink
20:34:12 <planetmaker> I guess a wall of prejudice is nice.
20:46:32 * Belugas runs home and to his supper
20:46:43 <Belugas> Vraaaaaaaaoooooooooooooommmmmm........
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21:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> why is 80% of the picture transparent?
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21:35:37 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: because I made it draw wrong :)
21:35:53 <Xaroth> it should have adapted to client rectangle, not to form dimensions
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21:36:27 <Xaroth> AutoTTD can generate that btw
21:37:46 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: refresh and behold :)
21:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> why do i have appetite for cake now?
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21:56:00 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: yexo * r16425 /trunk/src/ (ai/ai_instance.cpp script/squirrel.cpp): -Change [FS#2869]: Stop an AI when it takes too long to initialize or load
22:04:13 <Xaroth> apparently none of the current listed servers run toyland :P
22:04:43 <man9o0> is toyland different from candyland?
22:06:44 <Nite_Owl> RC2 = Release Candidate 2
22:06:57 <Xaroth> shows the current distribution of maptypes
22:07:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no toyland servers?
22:07:48 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: at the time of querying, no.
22:08:09 <man9o0> i'll admit i havent played a toy/candy scenario in ages
22:08:21 <Ammler> Xaroth: how many use the realistic acceleration?
22:08:45 <man9o0> is realistic slower or faster
22:09:07 <man9o0> i dont like the slowed down approach to stations
22:09:22 <man9o0> entering a station i mean
22:09:45 <man9o0> i prefer faster income to realism
22:09:56 <Nite_Owl> how many set the freight multiplier to something greater than 5
22:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: problem is you cannot see the settings unless you download the map/savegame
22:10:09 <Ammler> I have actually no idea how the old system works,
22:10:32 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: Xaroth is going to write a patch for ;-)
22:10:49 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: ammler's been nagging me to build something (and patch something) to allow AutoTTD to search for specific settings on servers
22:10:53 <Xaroth> so it can be filtered etc
22:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause> store the settings as xml!! will solve all problems!
22:11:34 <Ammler> according to Truebrain, it should be quite easy.... ;-)
22:12:09 <man9o0> well the game description should say if it will be a difficult game or easy
22:12:19 <Ammler> cfgm ini or xml doesn't make a difference
22:13:04 <Eddi|zuHause> well, technically, you only need to transmit the savegame chunk, as long as you use the same version, the game can decode that
22:13:17 <Nite_Owl> hard or easy is not very specific when you are dealing with so many possibilities
22:13:27 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: that's the point
22:13:38 <Xaroth> "as long as you use the same version"
22:13:42 <man9o0> well a surprise is always a challenge
22:14:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the other servers will show "version mismatch" anyway
22:14:08 <Ammler> every ttd game is easy.
22:14:23 <Xaroth> yes, but the whole point is, that an outside source (read: autottd) can read the data and display it anyway
22:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause> so why would you care about their settings?
22:14:34 <man9o0> showing all the game settings in the server description would take up alot of space, maybe make it a button that will open a 2nd detailed window
22:14:39 <Xaroth> I don't want to make no parser to support 3895763489576839475 different versions
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22:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause> in that case, you should try to make the savegame chunk more flexible
22:15:45 <Xaroth> we should make the savegame format in xml!
22:16:11 <KingJ> Don't joke about things like that! :P
22:16:22 <man9o0> with so many new additions to the new patches i just hope the game will still be playable on an old single core library computer
22:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause> any line containing "xml" is a joke...
22:16:51 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: i disagree, not all lines
22:16:54 <KingJ> XML is like violence, if it dosen't work use more
22:17:24 <man9o0> you know what would be very good to add, make it possible to download unique grf files from the game host
22:17:42 <Xaroth> man9o0: might be wise not to go there :P
22:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but simply storing name/value pairs in the savegame, and gracefully ignoring superfluous entries will make patch author's lives much easier
22:17:49 <Xaroth> that's been a topic that's been discussed a GAZILLION times :P
22:18:12 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: i agree, but I aint coding no C/C++ to get that working xD
22:19:14 <Ammler> man9o0: some ottd devs thinks, it would be abused by devil admins ;-)
22:19:50 <man9o0> yes i know that is always the downside
22:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, given the backwards compatibility of the current setting system, you only need a parser for "HEAD", that will cover all official versions, which leaves some (rare) branches and patches
22:20:37 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: yes, and I want to support branches and patches as well :/
22:21:13 <Ammler> well, that is bad excuse :-P
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23:37:39 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone ever told you that a simple reconnect is not a sign of somebody actually being here?
23:38:12 <Xaroth> hm, wasn't there a way with svn to get an actual linecount of a specific revision?
23:40:11 <Yexo> not sure with svn, but "svn up -r <revision>; wc -l src/* src/*/* src/*/*/*" should do, but it might be slow
23:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> find src -exec cat | wc -l ?
23:41:53 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: bad mood?
23:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no, bad mood looks differently (i think)
23:43:55 <SmatZ> ok :) it's just me then
23:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it's just the second time i noticed he responded to my scripted autoreconnect...
23:45:48 <welshdragon> how do i change the penalties for waypoints and non through platforms?
23:46:13 <Yexo> there is no specific penalty for non through platforms
23:46:18 <Yexo> and neither for waypoints I think
23:46:46 <welshdragon> Yexo: there is a way, Sacro mentioned it
23:46:52 <welshdragon> but there's nothing on the wiki
23:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> since when is listening to Sacro a good idea?
23:47:59 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: find -name *.cs -exec cat {} \; | wc -l << did the trick, cheers
23:48:42 <Xaroth> only want to get the source files, not the resource/project/whatever files
23:48:44 <Yexo> it looks wrong, as *.cs will be expanded by your shell
23:49:03 <SmatZ> and you are missing the base directory
23:49:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i still wonder why nobody came up with a "dflat" compiler...
23:49:17 <Xaroth> SmatZ: current dir, works good enough
23:49:28 <Yexo> welshdragon: I'm quite sure there is no penalty for waypoints
23:49:38 * Sacro hands Xaroth a "Pointless misuse of cat award"
23:49:46 <Yexo> about "non through platforms", do you have a screenshot?
23:50:10 <welshdragon> look at my screenshot thread
23:50:12 * Sacro hands SmatZ a "Pointless misuse of cat" award
23:50:15 <Xaroth> cba figuring out a more 'neat' way, besides, it works
23:50:15 <welshdragon> and at york station
23:50:39 <SmatZ> welshdragon: maybe rail_station_penalty ?
23:50:39 <Sacro> find -name *.cs -exec wc -l {} \
23:50:51 <SmatZ> Sacro: you are missing ;
23:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: won't that count each file individually?
23:51:20 <Sacro> still not convinced cat is a good idea
23:51:28 <Sacro> could quite easily overflow the buffe
23:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can pipe the result into some summation app...
23:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> why would cat buffer anything?
23:52:00 <Xaroth> actually, Sacro, that one is useful as well
23:52:01 <SmatZ> why would the whole file be stored in the buffer?
23:52:07 <Yexo> welshdragon: so you want the short trains (via "hull and leeds terminus"/"scarborough terminus" not to go to the larger platforms?
23:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause> pipes are evaluated per line
23:52:37 <welshdragon> Yexo: no, the longer trains to avoid those particular platform
23:53:00 <Yexo> you want the longer trains to only go to the long platforms?
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23:53:15 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: you are saying that: first command is finished, its output is saved in a buffer, then second command is executed, with stdin reading from that dubbfer?
23:53:19 <Yexo> set yapf.rail_shorter_platform_penalty somewhat higher
23:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause> no... why would i say that?
23:53:59 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: I thought you are replying to me :) ok
23:54:21 <welshdragon> need to find that in the openttd.cfg i assume?
23:54:29 <Yexo> that won't work for a savegame
23:54:39 <SmatZ> welshdragon: chaning it in openttd.cfg won't affect running game
23:54:43 <Yexo> load the game, open the console and type "set yapf.rail_shorter_platform_penalty <value>"
23:54:49 <Yexo> if you leave out <value> you get the current value
23:54:55 <SmatZ> welshdragon: use "set rail_shorter_platform_penalty 5000" in game console
23:55:15 <Yexo> if you change it in the config file you change the default for new games
23:57:50 <welshdragon> let's see if that works....
23:58:53 <welshdragon> thank you Yexo, SmatZ and Sacro: it does :P
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