IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-05-03
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00:07:01 <SmatZ> I thought YOU are leaving :)
00:07:14 <Booth> ijust poped in to say hi
00:07:33 <SmatZ> took you quite some time between join and hi :)
00:07:59 <Booth> [16:01] <Booth> this is a very dead channel
00:08:14 <DorpsGek> Booth: 0.7.0 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence | No idiots | Except me
00:10:00 <Booth> 2 charicters a min in the channel
00:10:41 <SmatZ> ssssh you are destroying your impressively low "time spent idling" / "lines sent" ratio :-p
00:10:48 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +o SmatZ
00:10:59 *** SmatZ changes topic to "0.7.0 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence"
00:11:07 *** DorpsGek sets mode: -o SmatZ
00:11:17 <Booth> also what is quietable?
00:11:30 <DorpsGek> Booth: 0.7.0 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence
00:11:38 <DorpsGek> Booth: topic [<channel>]
00:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so idiots are allowed again?
00:12:26 <Booth> i have been here the entire time
00:12:34 <SmatZ> I felt the topic to be offensive
00:13:29 <Booth> is there a channel like this for none english speaking people?
00:14:04 <SmatZ> Booth, you are not native speaker?
00:14:44 <Booth> just asking if say a french person or germany person
00:14:59 <Booth> who didnt speak english want to find out info
00:15:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know of a german forum, not a german channel
00:15:18 <SmatZ> I know czech channel, but at quakenet.org
00:15:33 <Eddi|zuHause> would you please play with the bot in private?
00:15:38 <Booth> i talk way to much for this channel
00:16:04 <Booth> i am going to stay logged on
00:16:13 <SmatZ> why are you using lowercase "i" instead of "I"?
00:16:30 <Booth> coz i am to lazy to hit teh shift key
00:17:54 <SmatZ> you are more elite than me :-p
00:18:24 <Booth> any how as i said its my bed time nn
00:18:53 <SmatZ> I don't mind, I was trying to be cool when I was 13 too...
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00:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i did not have internet when i was 13...
00:24:03 <SmatZ> I think we had internet since 1996
00:24:13 <SmatZ> dial-up, expensive, slow ...
00:24:39 <SmatZ> but I was never trying to be cool
00:24:50 <KingJ> but yet amazingly awesome at the time
00:29:02 <Chruker> heh, this plane AI have a bank balance of 150m after 30 years
00:29:36 <SmatZ> often it dies in 5 years :-p
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07:28:30 <el_en> hello Wolf01 nice to meet you did you sleep well
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08:00:30 <Laurens> Need three people for multiplayer, who wants?
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08:13:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16207 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp:
08:13:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Added and applied BuyCompanyWidgets enum.
08:13:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Doc: Small fixes and additions to documentation.
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08:27:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16208 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets for the buy company and show company windows.
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10:06:34 <frosch123> you are 6 minutes too late
10:08:04 <TrueBrain> Depends on your timezone ;)
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10:13:29 <TrueBrain> hmm .. my workcomputer is getting both too slow and running too low on memory
10:23:26 <TrueBrain> your capslock is on
10:23:49 <Booth> caps lock is the cruise control for cool
10:24:00 <TrueBrain> only for those who didn't reach the age of 12 yet
10:24:45 <Booth> are you refering to 12 as the mental or phisical age?
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10:33:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16209 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Removed bottom panel from join station window.
10:34:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16210 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make panels non-overlapping in company stations window.
10:38:47 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16211 /trunk/src/ (station_gui.cpp station_gui.h): -Codechange: Moving StationListWidgets out of the window class, completing StationViewWidgets.
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10:44:29 <TrueBrain> # POM POMPOMPOMPOM POM
10:44:31 <valhallasw> now, please continue
10:44:46 <valhallasw> I really want to post "M-M-M-M-MONSTERCOMMIT" someday
10:44:58 <TrueBrain> we already had those :p
10:45:31 <TrueBrain> 13 commits, was it not?
10:45:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't counted
10:46:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16212 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets for all station_gui windows.
10:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> > grep YAPP oftc.net_#openttd.log | grep CIA | grep "So Aug 3" | wc -l
10:47:09 * Alberth enjoys a well-deserved break
10:47:23 * TrueBrain gives Alberth a beer
10:47:27 <TrueBrain> although that might be a bit early on the day
10:47:47 <Alberth> yeah, coffee would be preferred
10:47:51 <Eddi|zuHause> 42 in a row, it appears
10:47:53 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: multi-line commit messages .. they don't count :)
10:48:19 <TrueBrain> extend your grep with OpenTTD
10:48:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see a multi-line commit there
10:50:19 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 13967-13926
10:50:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it counted 4 commits later that day
10:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: "OpenTTD" appears in each line of a multi-line commit, so this wouldn't help
10:52:38 <TrueBrain> then you should have used the name of m* (to avoid unneeded highlights :p)
10:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> rather r*, as he did the actual commits
11:12:59 <el_en> TrueBrain: will you serve cake on r20000?
11:14:08 <TrueBrain> if you drop by, sure
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11:53:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16213 /trunk/src/timetable_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to timetable window.
11:57:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16214 /trunk/src/saveload/vehicle_sl.cpp: -Fix [FS#2878]: shared orders without orders weren't properly converted causing corrupt/invalid orders when loading pre 0.7 savegames.
12:09:46 <Alberth> Wolf01: you don't want bugs getting fixed? :p
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12:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> omg, what have i done...
12:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> "Die Geister, die ich rief..."
12:27:56 <frosch123> you flooded your house?
12:28:11 <TrueBrain> You finally realised you are inf act a woman?
12:28:41 <Forked> we'll keep speculating then!
12:29:08 <frosch123> [14:29] <Eddi|zuHause> nevermind ;) <- nothing matters as long as you can chat, eh?
12:29:11 <Forked> TrueBrain: your guesses are scary.. the first place your brain goes .. and the second aint much better :p
12:29:55 <TrueBrain> Forked: yeah .. don't you love it? :)
12:30:06 <frosch123> Forked: TB played a "real game" yesterday
12:30:13 <Forked> I'm sort of wondering if you're a regular on /b/ ..
12:30:17 <TrueBrain> I was afraid that would come back to hunt me :p
12:30:28 <Forked> frosch123: what "real game" is this?
12:30:45 <TrueBrain> I played Xmen Originals Wolverine
12:30:50 <TrueBrain> I don't think you can compare those too :p
12:31:30 <frosch123> 22:57:59 < TrueBrain> anyway, going to play a real game now :) Night all! <- Forked: no idea
12:31:54 <Forked> TrueBrain: how was it?
12:31:54 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I was refering to the 'alley cat' comment of you a few lines above that .. but oh well .. nevermind :p
12:32:15 <TrueBrain> finally a game with a good gameplay ... that has been a while
12:36:24 <frosch123> is that game somewhat related to the movie? in that case, I cannot remember there has ever been a good game due to a movie
12:39:03 <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: cool: from Dafingford, via unknown station, to unknown station ...... (cargodist)
12:42:24 <TrueBrain> from Dafingford via Fort Slonninghall to Fort Slonninghall ...
12:42:28 <TrueBrain> you have bugs my friend :)
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12:51:12 <tokai> TrueBrain: Goods brought to one side are available on the other side? :)
12:53:28 <TrueBrain> it is one station ;)
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13:12:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16215 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added tooltip to resizebox of vehicle view window.
13:13:54 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16216 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to vehicle view window.
13:53:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16217 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make rv station picker widgets non-overlapping, fix doc typo.
13:54:28 <fjb> TrueBrain: That is cheating. :-)
13:55:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16218 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move BuildRoadStationWidgets enum outside window struct.
13:55:34 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16219 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to rv station picker window.
14:01:18 <fonsinchen> TrueBrain, that happens if there are no planned flows yet for this source station.
14:01:45 <fonsinchen> You can decrease the link graph recalculation interval if you are impatient
14:05:14 <fonsinchen> The "via unknown station" cargo will just be picked up by any vehicle and delivered at the next accepting stop
14:05:24 <fonsinchen> it's a marker for traditional routing.
14:05:33 <Eddi|zuHause> asks for a password here...
14:06:17 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: password required here too
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14:07:03 * SmatZ wonders why git doesn't have "git co" and I have to type "git checkout" every time...
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14:08:01 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: but 2.4.1.36 works
14:08:59 <glx> hmm the problem is legacy
14:09:42 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: remove legacy from the url
14:10:48 <glx> anyway the latest seems to be 2.4.1.3.36
14:11:25 <glx> ok both (23 and 36) give the same page :)
14:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the last number is the graphics card model, the lower the newer, i think
14:12:31 <Eddi|zuHause> they discontinued support for a few models recently
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14:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe they just did not release a newer version yet
14:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> although that's weird, because they should have released one in april
14:15:14 <fjb> They discontinued support for some older models recently.
14:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. i said that
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15:00:14 <Chruker> hmm, is setting the diagonal_tile cost in the Rail pathfinder 1 broken?
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15:15:27 <dihedral> hey we have more clients than servers right now :-P
15:15:56 <TrueBrain> so cake at your place?
15:22:25 <dihedral> sure - you gonna drop by?
15:22:52 <TrueBrain> no, but I thought it would be nice ;) :p
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15:44:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16220 /trunk/src/ (genworld.cpp genworld.h genworld_gui.cpp gfx.cpp openttd.cpp): -Fix [FS#2862]: possible crashes when quiting OpenTTD or forcing resizes/redraws of the screen during map generation
15:44:32 <batti5> Hi, is thare any way to complie ottd on mandriva?
15:46:39 <Alberth> usually with a C++ compiler
15:46:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16221 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
15:46:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Change: support building 64 bits OSX binaries and add optional support for 64
15:46:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bits binaries in OSX universal binaries. However, do not default to adding 64
15:46:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bits binaries because benchmarking has shown that they are slower than the 32
15:46:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bits binaries.
15:48:18 <dihedral> you can compile them too
15:49:23 <dihedral> anybody else noticing odd timeouts for tt-forums.net?
15:51:00 <dihedral> for the past days i have seen some timeouts here and there, and they lasted usually for a minute or 2
15:51:53 <Alberth> I would have noticed such long delays for tt-forums.net
15:52:00 <glx> batti5: compiling ottd on mandriva is the same as any linux distro
15:52:16 <glx> install g++ and required dev packages, configure and make
15:52:22 <Alberth> openttd.org does have long response time, but that is a known problem
15:53:56 <dihedral> the response time for the bot named 'TrueBrain' varies a lot though :-D
15:54:16 <TrueBrain> Alberth: openttd.org has a _very_ short response time
15:54:41 <Chruker> maybe sid meier id ddos it
15:55:04 <TrueBrain> Alberth: and if that is not the case, please let me know :) (and which page :p)
15:55:05 <Alberth> FS RSS feed is not responding here atm
15:55:43 <TrueBrain> rss1, rss2 and atom0.3 all reply within 100ms ...
15:56:03 <TrueBrain> (and even if it didn't, calling openttd.org slow because of one RSS feed might be a bit .. too overgeneralized ;))
15:56:07 <TrueBrain> Alberth: which url are you trying?
15:57:55 <TrueBrain> is served here within 100ms (which is a limit for me, to acknowledge problems ;))
15:58:00 <Alberth> also yesterday (I think) the HG server was not reachable for some time.
15:58:02 <TrueBrain> the real time is lower .. 14ms atm :p
15:58:13 <glx> Chruker: why would Sid Meier do that ?
15:58:41 <dihedral> works fine for me too
15:58:43 <TrueBrain> hg is a problem yes .. the perl script fucks up from time to time (out of memory issues, with plenty of memory left :p)
15:58:49 <Chruker> Trying to kill the competition :-)
15:59:05 <dihedral> but does the rss feed need to have the full bug report? :-P
15:59:07 <Alberth> I am experimenting with RSS feed since today, apparently it needs more attention here. Tnx.
15:59:35 <TrueBrain> well, as long as that is the only page that is slow for you ;)
15:59:41 <TrueBrain> if all pages are, there can be a peering problem
15:59:57 <Alberth> no other pages seem to work fine.
15:59:59 <glx> Chruker: but he is not related to TTD
16:00:41 <Alberth> hmm, that's ambigious. I meant "no, other pages seem to work fine."
16:03:05 <Chruker> glx, faulty memory here. I meant Chris :-)
16:16:34 <batti5> Ok, i fixed the Complinig on Linux wiki page, have a look
16:17:11 <SmatZ> Complinig on Linux? :-x
16:18:40 <SmatZ> batti5: did you keep lower/uppercase?
16:18:55 <SmatZ> (do package names start with uppercase letter in Mandriva?)
16:20:21 <batti5> the command urpmi works as it is, just tested it
16:21:23 <SmatZ> I mean, in the list :) all other distros use lowercase
16:22:05 <glx> yes in the list name the packages as in the urpmi command
16:22:21 <glx> (I think it's easir for people not using urpmi)
16:23:08 <SmatZ> probably :) I don't know about libSDL-devel though, but that's what you should know ;)
16:23:11 <frosch123> "patch" is not included by default :o
16:23:19 <SmatZ> zlib1g-dev (recommended, for savegame compression)
16:23:41 <SmatZ> I think this should be very recommended or so...
16:23:45 <glx> required for network games
16:24:07 <glx> IIRC configure fails without zlib unless you explicitely disable it
16:32:44 * frosch123 wonders whether the amount of "!" in front of the servername specifies the age of the admin in years below 14
16:38:41 <dihedral> frosch123, does the same count for those servers starting with
16:40:10 <frosch123> maybe # is a combination of four !
16:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause> <dihedral> anybody else noticing odd timeouts for tt-forums.net? <- i've had random "no connection to server" errors
16:55:51 <Eddi|zuHause> even stranger, refreshing the page did not fix it, but going backwards and clicking the link again did...
16:56:08 <dihedral> uh - i had proper timeouts
16:56:20 <dihedral> but that would be something for orudge ^^
16:56:44 <orudge> tt-forums seems absolutely fine for me
16:58:38 <dihedral> orudge, timeouts ocurring randomly
16:58:44 <dihedral> lasting for about 60 seconds
16:58:53 <orudge> what's your IP address?
17:00:34 *** Sacro was kicked by orudge (sigh)
17:00:40 <orudge> since I can't be bothered to figure out that silly bot
17:01:25 <dihedral> currently 188.98.76.102
17:01:58 <orudge> extremely high ping to your connection from the server
17:02:05 <orudge> aha, down to 20-70ms now
17:02:10 <orudge> and bouncing around a bit
17:02:16 <orudge> maybe some kind of network congestion with your ISP?
17:02:30 <Xaroth> above normal ping from my range, lemme check from my company network
17:02:33 <dihedral> hehe - would not be surprised :-D
17:02:42 <dihedral> hence i asked if someone else was experiencing issues :-D
17:03:00 <Xaroth> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 43.489/168.958/459.546/124.589 ms
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17:12:54 <dihedral> wow - yes, that is a very odd ping
17:14:11 <Xaroth> you running any downloads?
17:14:17 <Xaroth> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 28.416/248.521/659.674/189.847 ms
17:14:46 <dihedral> Xaroth, i aint that stupid thanks!
17:15:05 <Xaroth> dihedral: i heard that line once too often to believe it
17:15:09 <frosch123> obviously it is because everyone in this channel is pinging you
17:15:20 <batti5> i was just wondering if at tt-forums it has been anybody that has been free-ed from a permanent ban
17:15:25 <dihedral> Xaroth, i dont think i need you to help me check my own network ;-)
17:16:07 <dihedral> i am fairly familiar with the stuff i do for a living ;-)
17:16:40 * dihedral smiles before reading :-D
17:16:54 <Eddi|zuHause> don't ever trust a person that says he knows what he is doing because it's his work
17:17:45 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, i dont trust other people, if they act like stupid users
17:17:47 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I agree :) Had that problem one too many times ;) (like everyone in this line of work has :p)
17:18:32 <dihedral> and usually you can tell pretty soon how much of a user the person is ^^
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17:42:17 <Aali> well, you can't blame him for overlooking the obvious non-technical solution to a technical problem :P
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18:03:38 <fjb> Never trust postings made on April 1.
18:07:06 <el_en> aha, fjb made the same mistake i've made so many times with phpBB, but not anymore!
18:15:00 <el_en> still I don't understand why phpBB devs have considered it SOOOOO important to show the join timestamp next to each post.
18:25:34 <frosch> meh, highlight on all channels :/
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19:10:34 <Forked> thats not fair to the vagina
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19:13:06 <Forked> TrueBrain: was that line suppose to have the "h"? :p
19:13:35 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Yorick was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 46 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <yorick> it'd be maarten
19:13:40 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 22 hours, and 3 seconds ago: <Bjarni> though I believe that "man overboard" would be the correct answer
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20:15:37 <Forked> your thoughts mirror mine.. :p
20:16:04 <TrueBrain> orudge: did you sign off on this?!
20:16:50 <TrueBrain> (what a lengthy idea .. first one I have seen for OpentTD :p)
20:17:56 <TrueBrain> to quote: "I asked orudge for a separate section, but he wants to check traffic on this idea first..."
20:18:17 <TrueBrain> somehow I doubt you knew he would make so many topics ..... even more as I am very sure a few will be gone very soon, and nobody will ever read them again :p
20:19:47 <TrueBrain> this guy is insane ;) (in a positive way :))
20:21:52 <glx> why not use the wiki for that?
20:26:23 <Xaroth> He's nuts, but it might be a fun idea
20:29:51 <el_en> wiki is not a good medium for discussions. (well neither is phpBB, but somewhat better)
20:43:48 <frosch> wtf, two hours ago it was one topic with lots of posts, who splitted it?
20:44:20 <frosch> oh, that topic is still there :s
20:45:04 <frosch> the others are kind of duplicates, aren't they?
20:46:56 <kkb110> It's interesting to modify openttd code :D
20:47:16 <kkb110> I just disabled new vehicle window pops up when "Clone" it
20:47:40 <kkb110> and the cursor remains "cloning state" after cloning a vehicle
20:51:36 <TrueBrain> now we even have a user which opens a topic on every new sub-question
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21:21:55 <orudge> [21:18:15] <TrueBrain> somehow I doubt you knew he would make so many topics ..... even more as I am very sure a few will be gone very soon, and nobody will ever read them again :p <-- I didn't know he was going to make so many topics
21:22:00 <orudge> but I didn't think his project was worth a subforum
21:22:08 <orudge> so I told him just to make posts in the normal forums
21:22:15 <orudge> assuming he'd have a thread or two
21:22:18 <orudge> rather than seventy-nine :p
21:22:46 <TrueBrain> :) I agree with you that a subforum would be a bit too much (for now anyway)
21:22:52 <TrueBrain> but this is also too much ;)
21:23:20 <TrueBrain> if you would be so kind to find a nice solution for this :) Would be greatly appreciated :)
21:23:46 <TrueBrain> oh yeah, I was going to bed :) Nighty night!
21:25:13 <orudge> if the project gets going, it can have a subforum
21:25:17 <orudge> if it doesn't, then it'll fizzle out anyway :p
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21:57:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16222 /trunk/src/script/squirrel_std.cpp: -Fix: unneeded pointer dereferencing
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23:12:12 <Belugas> IF ever that project gets going, it would be the biggest fraud been done on the ttd world
23:12:37 <Belugas> that guy is not even lifting the little finger, just taking all the glory out of it all.
23:12:51 <Belugas> yeah, he's going to "coordinate", whatever that means
23:15:05 <Belugas> silly... alpha will notbe MP, nor possible beta
23:15:14 <Belugas> that's a VERY nice way to start a project...
23:15:24 <Belugas> let bugs crawl on it right from the start!
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23:41:56 <fjb> At least it stays away from reality. :-)
23:42:48 <Aali> the author is pretty far away from reality, too
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