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00:39:27 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: bjarni * r16177 /trunk/src/os/macosx/osx_stdafx.h: -Fix (r15892): [OSX] fixed linking error regarding _select$1050 (only present on some systems)
00:41:01 <Sacro> bangs(head, desk).
00:41:51 <Bjarni> please continue
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05:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> right... back to the old addictions
05:17:46 <el_en> welcome zurück
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08:17:37 <petern> first job of the day complete: expenses claim
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08:41:54 <TrueBrain> welcome Eddi|zuHause
08:41:55 <TrueBrain> morning all
08:42:03 <Rubidium> morning TrueBrain
08:42:22 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you know Eddi's old addiction is staying up real late, right?
08:43:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: 'late' is such a relative indicator of time
08:44:31 <Rubidium> with timezones everything's relative
08:45:23 <Rubidium> wow... Bjarni fixed the compile error, how odd
08:45:43 <TrueBrain> wow!
08:46:02 <Rubidium> and that new Polish translator needed to make a few cases ;)
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12:18:51 <jpm> hi
12:19:06 <TrueBrain> hi jpm
12:19:45 <jpm> Does anybody know lightweight SIP proxy for Linux
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12:21:33 <dihedral> let's rename this channel to #linux ^^
12:21:59 <TrueBrain> of #ask-non-related-openttd-question-here-as-this-channel-looks-good-for-that
12:22:03 <TrueBrain> I like the idea dihedral :)
12:22:18 <planetmaker> hihi :)
12:22:40 <planetmaker> jpm, the answer surely is "yes". But the answer to "who knows" is "not me".
12:23:04 <TrueBrain> can we give any other nasty answers? :) jpm: I think it is safe to say you are at the wrong place to ask such questions :)
12:23:39 <Rubidium> would help to know which protocol you want to proxy ;)
12:25:17 <planetmaker> not that anyone has to day because that person knew too much... it's dangerous.
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12:31:44 <jpm> I know that this is not SIP user club, but I thought you may have user some voip solution with openttd...
12:32:38 <jpm> used
12:32:50 <Rubidium> what's voip?
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12:33:57 <jpm> Voice over IP
12:34:47 <Rubidium> so no backlogs
12:35:12 <Rubidium> and lots of problems understanding people due to different pronounciations ;)
12:35:41 <jpm> :)
12:36:57 <Rubidium> although you have less problem with people trying to abbreviate all words
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12:38:59 <Rubidium> but okay, it might be influenced by my trips to Japan and the US
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12:42:09 <dihedral> <TrueBrain> I like the idea dihedral :) <- wow - that does not happen all that often :P
12:42:20 <TrueBrain> ;)
12:42:57 <Rubidium> Japanese write English better than they speak it
12:43:16 <dihedral> jpm: www.lindenbaum.eu :-P
12:43:23 <dihedral> they can do voip :-D
12:44:03 <Rubidium> in America lots of people are non-native English speakers which makes it hard to understand, whereas in writing the difference is smaller
12:44:24 <dihedral> zat is tru
12:45:31 <Rubidium> *and*... with written text you can easily retry to parse/understand it. In speaking you need understand it right the first time or you need to ask what they said, which with inter-continent communication causes quite a 'sync' problems
12:48:26 <dihedral> still - when sap and t-com have their meeting, they dont go to an irc channel :-P
12:51:46 <petern> u r not goin 2 belive dis
12:52:31 <dihedral> ^^
12:54:24 <Rubidium> lemon 6t ;)
12:54:32 <petern> dihedral ru ok der?
12:55:08 <dihedral> y-a ei sink so
12:55:26 <petern> fink
12:55:43 <dihedral> we are sinking! we are sinking!
12:55:44 <petern> u wud of knew it
12:56:26 <dihedral> ei hw know eidia wut u r taaking abaut
12:56:57 <petern> u r makin words up
12:57:13 <dihedral> NEIN
12:57:34 <TrueBrain> sweinhund
12:57:43 <petern> swine flu?
12:57:44 <Rubidium> sweinfever
12:57:51 <TrueBrain> petern: auch
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13:16:29 <Phazorx> evening
13:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause> what the heck is a swine flu?
13:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i do not leave the house for two weeks, and suddenly all the civilised world is breaking down around me
13:17:53 <Phazorx> world s starving for new disasters and financial crisis is overrated and bird flue got old already
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13:20:54 <Phazorx> anyway, is there a reason static newgrfs should bork when joining network game?
13:21:42 <Belugas> it's not a static grf then
13:21:46 <Belugas> wild guess
13:22:40 <Phazorx> talking about stolen trees and openttdcoopers server
13:22:52 <Phazorx> but any newgrf in static fails
13:23:08 <Phazorx> new transmitters and new docks are good example of very static grfs
13:24:05 <Rubidium> if *any* newgrf queries for one of the static newgrfs the static newgrf gets disabled (desync protection)
13:24:45 <Phazorx> hmm
13:24:56 <Phazorx> here is what i get http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2493/43086411.png
13:25:09 <Phazorx> and newgrf list on coopers box is rather scarce these days
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13:28:45 <Rubidium> oh... it crashes when joining the server... that's something completely different
13:29:28 <Phazorx> should mention it is 16137 and mingw/xp32
13:29:32 <Rubidium> try r16161 or later
13:29:54 <Phazorx> wont be able to join tha game then...
13:30:11 <dihedral> i see a Phazorx
13:30:13 <dihedral> welcome :-)
13:30:16 <dihedral> nice to see you
13:30:18 <Rubidium> you aren't able to join the game now either, so there's absolutely no difference
13:30:32 <Phazorx> i can w/o staic-newgrfs
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13:31:07 <Rubidium> then figure out which static newgrf causes the crash and make a proper bug report
13:31:17 <Rubidium> preferably against HEAD and not $ANCIENT
13:31:19 <Phazorx> i'm afraid any
13:31:33 <Phazorx> so far i tried stolen trees new docks and new transmitter
13:31:48 <Phazorx> last only replaces one thing
13:32:17 <Gekz> why is this server so important?
13:32:34 <Phazorx> because i'm saff member of openttdcoop?
13:33:00 <Gekz> and it uses such an old version?
13:33:13 <Phazorx> is it possible to get more details out of ottd considering it is windows and output redirecting isnt really happenin?
13:33:27 <Phazorx> Gekz: the games run for weeks there
13:36:10 <Phazorx> dihedral: hello to you too, howdy>
13:36:38 <dihedral> :-)
13:36:42 <Phazorx> and it's not "a Phazorx" rather "the" :)
13:36:44 <dihedral> long time no see
13:36:48 <dihedral> ^^
13:37:26 <TrueBrain> [15:16] <Eddi|zuHause> what the heck is a swine flu? <- you don't know about the pig flu going around? Try turning on any news-station; of which country doesn't matter :p
13:37:27 <Phazorx> my appologies for my abcensce.... there are things out of my control though... still
13:37:58 <dihedral> well.... is that not always the case ;-)
13:38:32 <Phazorx> luckly :)
13:38:44 <Phazorx> what's new in your world?
13:38:57 <TrueBrain> YOU ARE BACK! That is new for sure :p
13:39:33 <Phazorx> TB: yesterday yo didnt even greet me, getting old and slow are you?
13:39:42 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I was talking for dihedral in this case :p
13:39:44 <glx> <Phazorx> is it possible to get more details out of ottd considering it is windows and output redirecting isnt really happenin? <-- wrong, there's a tool on my dev space for that
13:39:52 <Phazorx> oh... bummer
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13:40:05 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: but hi anyway ;)
13:40:06 <Phazorx> glx, link plz?
13:40:25 <glx> http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/convert.zip
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13:42:28 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: the pallets of servers in evoswitch have all vanished o_O
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13:42:32 <Xaroth> the loading bay is empty once more :P
13:42:40 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: about time!
13:42:43 <Xaroth> aye
13:42:54 <TrueBrain> last time I was there, there was more shit in the loading bay than anything else
13:42:59 * Xaroth just got back from there
13:43:03 <TrueBrain> concratz ;)
13:43:07 <Xaroth> meh
13:43:15 <Xaroth> not a fan of the server bays, too hot in there
13:43:26 <Xaroth> but had to attach some kvm cables and show the place to new colleagues :/
13:43:28 <TrueBrain> I always go stand in the coridors ... :$
13:43:47 <Xaroth> yeh but unfortunately ou can't attach kvm cables from the front side of the servers :P
13:43:53 <TrueBrain> very true :)
13:43:55 <Xaroth> but i was lucky enough to have 2 minions with me
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13:44:22 <Xaroth> so i had them plug em in, while i checked the servers
13:44:36 <TrueBrain> I still find it silly that KVM stuff doesn't have a way to plug in a USBstick or what ever .. you can't boot from anything remotely :(
13:44:51 <TrueBrain> best place to be in Evo: upstairs: FREE TEA!!
13:45:09 <Xaroth> free hot chocolate
13:53:43 <Phazorx> glx perhaps you can also tell me how to prevent batch file from closing consle when game crashes?
13:54:10 <glx> run directly from cmd
13:55:02 <Phazorx> i have rxvt instead and it kills it when dies :/
13:55:06 <Xaroth> cmd /k ?
13:56:52 <dihedral> /?
13:57:07 <Phazorx> i'll try with cmd i guess
14:00:12 <Phazorx> hrm... from gui - can i check/edit static newgrfs somehow?
14:00:36 <glx> you can see and remove them
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14:01:34 <Phazorx> how do i signify i add them as static?
14:02:06 <SmatZ> no way
14:02:54 <Fox> hmm i think i got a but... weird graphics. where do i report it?
14:02:58 <Fox> a bug i mean
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14:03:21 <TrueBrain> if it is in OpenGFX, it is known :)
14:03:23 <SmatZ> most likely not OTTD bug
14:03:50 <Fox> hm i think i'm using the original graphics
14:04:00 <SmatZ> post a screenshot
14:04:04 <Fox> although i downloaded the opengfx too
14:04:18 <Fox> some special place to upload it?
14:04:26 <SmatZ> no
14:04:32 <Fox> kk, one minute
14:04:45 <TrueBrain> I put in ... 5 euros that is it OpenGFX he will show us
14:04:46 <SmatZ> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/119 maybe it's this one...
14:04:50 <SmatZ> hehe
14:06:36 <Fox> nope, not this bug
14:06:45 <glx> black boxes?
14:06:57 <Fox> eg my mouse cursor is a snow/grass tile
14:07:03 <Fox> nope, pinkish tiles
14:07:10 <Fox> somewhere and moving sometimes
14:07:15 <Fox> one minute
14:07:49 <TrueBrain> bah, pink .. I am going to lose :(
14:08:26 <glx> TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/builtin_depend.diff
14:08:33 <glx> if you want to test it
14:09:35 <TrueBrain> nice glx :)
14:09:44 <Fox> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9117/graphicsbug.png
14:10:30 <TrueBrain> memory corruption?
14:10:40 <Fox> don't think so
14:10:41 <glx> bad newgrf?
14:11:06 <Fox> the older versions of openttd don't have this problem
14:11:07 <SmatZ> Fox: I am really interested in your GRF list :)
14:11:16 <Fox> where do i find it?
14:11:48 <SmatZ> the simplest is to post a savegame...
14:11:54 <Xaroth> windows vista?
14:11:57 <Fox> and it only occures when i generate a game.. when i open a saved game from a older verion it is no problem!
14:12:04 <Fox> yes, vista
14:12:09 <SmatZ> maybe open a bug report at bugs.openttd.org
14:12:21 <Fox> kk, will do
14:12:24 <SmatZ> but it's very likely GRF interference
14:12:26 <glx> this point makes me think of a newgrf conflict :)
14:12:43 <SmatZ> like, some GRF wasn't loading in older OTTD version
14:12:54 <Fox> *uuugh* the menues are clipped badly.. had to find menu points
14:12:57 <SmatZ> or it was working because of OTTD bugs :)
14:13:02 <Fox> lol
14:13:33 <glx> do you have a snow on temperate newgrf loaded ?
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14:13:57 <Fox> I don't know
14:14:06 <Fox> I didn't change much
14:14:51 <glx> open newgrf window and post a ctrl-s screenshot
14:15:46 <Fox> yep there is 'generic tram set 0.4' and 'snow in temperate 1'
14:16:02 <glx> remove snow in temperate :)
14:16:14 <glx> it's not supported by openttd anyway
14:16:47 <SmatZ> nice glx :)
14:16:48 <Fox> ah ok, now it works :-) thank you!
14:16:59 <Fox> no need for a bug report now i think
14:17:39 <Fox> if anyone is interested, this was my saving screen ^^ http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2070/graphicsbug2.png
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14:18:21 <SmatZ> :)
14:18:29 <glx> I said ctrl-s :)
14:18:35 <Fox> lol
14:18:59 <Fox> u don't like vista hm? me neither :-P
14:19:02 <SmatZ> hahah
14:19:20 <TrueBrain> no, we just like that OpenTTD can make screenshots on its own
14:19:21 <glx> it's not the problem, but with ctrl-s the glich would be absent
14:19:25 <TrueBrain> doesn't need silly secondary programs :)
14:19:43 <Fox> yep that's right
14:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and most likely the screenshot would be maller
14:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause> *smaller
14:20:06 <Eddi|zuHause> because it would be 8bpp
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14:23:50 <Phazorx> hmm
14:24:11 <Phazorx> with debug enabled it loads but i see no effect of newgrfs :|
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14:25:54 <Phazorx> on the other hand i see no static grfs in grf list
14:26:09 <Phazorx> is it in standardplace or statics are somewhere else?
14:26:18 <Phazorx> perhaps an option to trigger to see them?
14:27:58 <Rubidium> looks like 32bpp + extra zoom pngs freekiness
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14:45:52 <petern> what does?
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15:02:35 <Belugas> hoo... Eddi|zuHause is back! just noticed
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15:03:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it was a pain these last few weeks...
15:03:36 <Belugas> were you on my continent, by any chances?
15:03:38 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: well, at least you were missed :)
15:03:43 <Belugas> well.. mine... not totally...
15:03:56 <Eddi|zuHause> no... i have barely left the house...
15:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but hopefully i am one step closer to earning the big bucks now ;)
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15:06:23 <SHADOW-XIII> anyone played A-Train 8 already ?
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15:07:29 <pavel1269> i played A-Train 1 :-)
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15:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause> what's an A-Train?
15:07:55 <SHADOW-XIII> I've played 1,2,3,4,5
15:07:59 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like blasphemy ;)
15:08:07 <SHADOW-XIII> Eddi|zuHause: wiki
15:08:24 <TrueBrain> and there shall be only one wiki
15:08:29 <SHADOW-XIII> A-Train 8 came out in Europe for sure, seen it today in shop
15:08:31 <SHADOW-XIII> for PC
15:08:56 <pavel1269> wow, didnt know, it continued
15:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> wiki.openttd.org says nothing about A-Train
15:09:08 <SHADOW-XIII> looks like there's demo to: http://files.filefront.com/A+Train+8+Demo/;13372441;/fileinfo.html (check out screenshots)
15:09:13 * pavel1269 's gonna get it (2,3)
15:09:18 <pavel1269> then maybye more :P
15:09:23 <SHADOW-XIII> Eddi|zuHause: wikipedia
15:09:24 <Belugas> good for you Eddi|zuHause
15:09:33 <pavel1269> :-D
15:09:36 <SHADOW-XIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-Train
15:10:13 <SHADOW-XIII> more screenshots of A8: http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/143/14320445/imgs_1.html
15:10:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r16178 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#2866]: don't try to reserve path for trains crashed in station
15:11:51 <petern> hmm
15:11:59 <petern> that totally doesn't look like how a-train should look :s
15:12:12 <petern> anyway, it's 3d, it's bound to be a success...
15:12:13 <pavel1269> i dont like the screens :-/
15:12:54 <pavel1269> i have original the first one :-P
15:13:01 <pavel1269> 4floppys
15:13:31 <pavel1269> unfortunately, my notebook, dont have flopy drive
15:13:47 <petern> "doesn't"
15:14:24 <pavel1269> thanks
15:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i have an 8" disk, but i have no idea what's on it
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15:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the only 8" drive i have ever seen was a museum's peace exhibited at our university
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15:18:42 <pavel1269> anyone here played holiday island? :P
15:19:21 <pavel1269> atm, i am searching for tower hotel or sth like that
15:19:28 <Phazorx> in rssland they still have coal powered computers with ferromagnetic ram advanced models of which have the 8" drives
15:22:12 <pavel1269> anyone know about any settlers I or simcity I fansite?
15:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> wow... that was a loooong time ago...
15:22:44 <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269 : tower hotel ?
15:22:55 <pavel1269> ye
15:22:58 <SHADOW-XIII> i've played holiday island but that's like a modern game for me :P
15:23:03 <pavel1269> :-)ú
15:23:08 <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269 : am not familiar with title, say more
15:23:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i know on the game pack that had settlers 1 in it, there was a TT demo
15:23:27 <SHADOW-XIII> 8" i used long time ago myself
15:23:45 <pavel1269> tower hotel .... 2d, you had limited "space" and you could build offices for a rent or apartments
15:23:57 <pavel1269> also restaurants and so on you could build
15:24:01 <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269: sim tower
15:24:52 <pavel1269> y
15:24:57 <pavel1269> thanks :-)
15:26:01 * pavel1269 founds "Yoot tower"
15:26:04 <SHADOW-XIII> better play: yoot tower
15:26:05 <pavel1269> newer version
15:26:10 <pavel1269> :-)
15:26:14 <pavel1269> have you played that?
15:26:17 <SHADOW-XIII> yes
15:26:25 <SHADOW-XIII> I got original cd with sim tower though :)
15:26:38 <pavel1269> have you played simtower also?
15:26:49 <pavel1269> okay, gonna get yoot tower :-D
15:27:28 <SHADOW-XIII> I've played all "sim" titles and most of "tycoon" titles I think :P
15:27:55 <SmatZ> what about "theme *" ?
15:28:34 <SHADOW-XIII> OMG, they sell new edition of PS3: with Holy Bible included (1st comunion gifts) ... what a lol
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15:28:55 <SHADOW-XIII> SmatZ: few, not a theme park - not my kind of game
15:29:16 <pavel1269> theme hospital was very nice :-)
15:29:20 <SHADOW-XIII> but theme hospital on few platforms even, still playing it on my PSP using dosbox or psx emulator
15:29:24 <pavel1269> never got throught level 14/15 thought
15:29:53 <SmatZ> :)
15:29:57 <SHADOW-XIII> Iwould constructor 1/2 somewhere there as well
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15:30:02 <SmatZ> I finished theme hospital several times
15:30:05 <SmatZ> loved it
15:30:12 <SmatZ> I wonder how is openth going...
15:31:08 <SHADOW-XIII> actually i never finished it :)
15:31:28 <SHADOW-XIII> but I remember I was kickin ass in simfarm: I bought out nearly whole city
15:31:28 <SmatZ> also, there were great "extra levels" where you were shooting mice
15:31:42 <SmatZ> my left mouse button almost died because of them :-p
15:31:46 <SmatZ> hehe
15:31:52 <pavel1269> :D
15:32:02 <pavel1269> constructor is the hardest game ever :-)
15:32:05 <pavel1269> i palyed
15:32:06 <SmatZ> yeah
15:32:12 <pavel1269> loved it ...
15:32:19 <pavel1269> nover get to 4. level of houses
15:32:20 <SmatZ> I think I never got over first few levels
15:32:24 <pavel1269> :-)
15:32:38 <pavel1269> and never played with opponent
15:32:43 <pavel1269> he always destroyed me
15:33:01 <SmatZ> hehehe
15:33:22 <SmatZ> friend of mine was quite good in constructor
15:33:22 <pavel1269> also Abe's ... g8 :-)
15:33:28 <SmatZ> :-)
15:33:34 <SmatZ> I have only Abe's Exoddus
15:33:39 <pavel1269> i have original oddysey and exodus :-)
15:33:42 <SHADOW-XIII> constructor is quite easy after a while
15:33:43 <SmatZ> :-)
15:33:44 <pavel1269> on steam so .. .:-p
15:33:48 <SHADOW-XIII> a managed to get all citizens
15:33:51 <SmatZ> nice
15:33:59 <SmatZ> I should play it sometimes again :)
15:34:00 <SHADOW-XIII> i hate digital downloading games
15:34:06 <pavel1269> i love them :-)
15:34:21 <pavel1269> after 3-4 formats ... i really love them :-)
15:34:22 <SHADOW-XIII> there's no a better charm than having box of the game on the shelve
15:35:05 <SHADOW-XIII> better to have it boxed than downloading
15:35:23 <SmatZ> true :) when I pay for it, I was a box :)
15:35:26 <SmatZ> *want
15:36:36 <SHADOW-XIII> box, manual, cd .... that's what makes game whole
15:37:14 <pavel1269> well, true
15:37:29 <pavel1269> best is, have box and so on, register, and you can download it too
15:37:37 <SmatZ> :)
15:37:40 <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269: , that's fine
15:37:46 <SHADOW-XIII> I got blizzard games like that
15:37:51 <pavel1269> this way, i have HL2 and some additionals
15:37:54 <SHADOW-XIII> all blizzard games I got in home country
15:38:06 <SHADOW-XIII> but since I registered games I can download and play
15:38:17 <pavel1269> have you palyed Simcity 4?
15:38:23 <pavel1269> its also hard for me :-(
15:38:32 <SHADOW-XIII> SimCity 1/2/3/4
15:38:35 <pavel1269> Simcity 1-3000 .. lool, yeasy as hell
15:38:41 <pavel1269> loved I :-)
15:38:44 <SHADOW-XIII> that's true
15:38:46 <SHADOW-XIII> 1 was so simple
15:38:46 <pavel1269> but 4? hard :(
15:38:55 <SHADOW-XIII> i played 1/2000 on like 10 platforms
15:38:56 <pavel1269> yeah
15:39:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i never got anywhere in sim city 1
15:39:05 <SHADOW-XIII> 4 is bit more difficult
15:39:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but sim city 2 was easy
15:39:17 <SmatZ> I liked 2000, but it was buggy :(
15:39:20 <SHADOW-XIII> but I love SC4 mods
15:39:26 <pavel1269> and very easy :-
15:39:34 <pavel1269> SC3000 is also very easy
15:39:37 <SHADOW-XIII> community added buildings are fukin awesome
15:39:52 <pavel1269> i have just that ... road mod, mega-mod :-)
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15:40:13 <pavel1269> and roadstops at road ...
15:40:14 <Xaroth> < SHADOW-XIII> box, manual << manuals are useless anyhow
15:40:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the single track mod is genious
15:40:42 <pavel1269> Xaroth: well, if they dont have RTFM put anywhere, then yes :P
15:40:57 <SHADOW-XIII> Xaroth: I read TTD manual for first to last page copuple times, despiet I know all about the game it was good reading
15:41:14 <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269: : simtropolis.com
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15:41:19 <SHADOW-XIII> or pegprod.com
15:41:28 <pavel1269> simcity devoution also
15:41:32 <Xaroth> SHADOW-XIII: I only read a manual if doing something is really obscure
15:41:41 <pavel1269> http://sc4devotion.com/
15:41:43 <Xaroth> then again, that was with X3, which didn't come with a manual for me
15:42:37 <SHADOW-XIII> oh btw I seen X3 terran confict (box) and was wondering what kind of game it is
15:42:47 <Xaroth> it's a fun game
15:43:00 <Xaroth> but a steep learning curve
15:43:07 <Xaroth> think.. cliff-sized
15:43:18 <Xaroth> once you figure it out it's loads of fun tho
15:43:33 <SHADOW-XIII> strategy ?
15:43:35 <Xaroth> same goes for EVE-Online, but that one actually comes with a tutorial
15:43:36 <Xaroth> space sim
15:44:25 <SHADOW-XIII> I love eve online
15:44:31 <SHADOW-XIII> too bad i have no time to play it
15:44:44 <Xaroth> me neither, but that's what i like about eve
15:44:47 <SHADOW-XIII> if only they hear me and introduce hourly-paid playing
15:45:00 <Xaroth> they have that in china
15:45:15 <Xaroth> pay-by-minute or something
15:46:13 <SHADOW-XIII> A8 demo downloaded ... installing
15:47:07 <SHADOW-XIII> gotta have ot try X3 then
15:47:11 <SHADOW-XIII> but how about it's requirements
15:47:23 <SHADOW-XIII> got to have old laptop here
15:48:53 <Xaroth> quite high
15:48:59 <Xaroth> but it looks awesome
15:49:21 <pavel1269> i also stopped EVE :-(
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15:49:28 <pavel1269> somewhere around 45M SP :-P
15:49:43 <Xaroth> think i'm around 50m sp atm
15:50:48 <pavel1269> i havent played for like 2 years now :-(
15:50:59 * SmatZ just installed theme hospital
15:51:09 <pavel1269> :-D
15:51:13 <SmatZ> good bey for today ;)
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15:51:37 <pavel1269> :-D
15:51:43 * pavel1269 almost have Yoot tower
15:52:54 * pavel1269 's gonna play Civ4
15:55:00 <SmatZ> hmm it doesn't run very well in wine
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15:58:08 <fjb> Hello
15:58:18 <SmatZ> hello
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16:01:02 <SHADOW_XIII> is there any log in here to check what 's going on while I was dropped ?
16:01:36 <Xaroth> not much
16:01:38 <Xaroth> two hellos
16:01:47 <SHADOW_XIII> ;P
16:01:59 <Belugas> quiet channel it is at this time of day
16:02:01 <SHADOW_XIII> that's last I saw: "SHADOW-XIII: got to have old laptop here"
16:02:16 <Belugas> lunch that is where i'm heading
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16:09:58 * TrueBrain things someone gave bad suggestions for string -> int64 ;)
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17:24:10 <Belugas> man i'm full
17:24:15 <Belugas> even stuffed up
17:24:19 <Belugas> feel like a goose!
17:24:29 <Belugas> a communal dinner
17:24:40 <Belugas> everyone bringing some home cooked food
17:24:43 <Belugas> for all
17:24:45 <Belugas> yeah!
17:24:48 <petern> hey!
17:24:50 <petern> i'm home :D
17:25:08 <Belugas> there were kebab,petern. I had a thogh for you :)
17:25:13 <Belugas> i'm not :(
17:25:14 <Belugas> booo!!!
17:25:56 * TrueBrain gives Belugas a good manly hug!
17:26:38 <Belugas> manly? hummm... that is a change ;)
17:26:44 <TrueBrain> :p
17:27:47 <Belugas> heheh
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17:34:13 * Belugas is doing ChipNPin test cases
17:34:32 * petern , predictably, is doing softsynth test cases
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17:35:12 * TrueBrain is trying to convert 16bit real mode assembly to 32bit C :p
17:36:41 * frosch123 is waiting for his dinner
17:36:55 <TrueBrain> (114 people left)
17:37:16 <frosch123> they are idling
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17:42:01 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16179 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:42:01 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-27 17:41:22
17:42:01 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 24 fixed by tucalipe (24)
17:42:01 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 10 fixed by habell (10)
17:42:01 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: estonian - 8 changed by kristjans (8)
17:42:02 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: hungarian - 10 fixed by IPG (10)
17:42:04 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changed by lorenzodv (1)
17:43:30 <glx> hmm I forgot to translate again
17:43:30 <Belugas> i bet they don't even remember they are idling in here
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17:44:00 <petern> hehehehe
17:44:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16180 /trunk/src/lang/ (polish.txt unfinished/malay.txt): (log message trimmed)
17:44:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-27 17:43:43
17:44:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 24 changed by tucalipe (24)
17:44:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 10 changed by habell (10)
17:44:10 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: estonian - 8 changed by kristjans (8)
17:44:10 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: hungarian - 10 changed by IPG (10)
17:44:12 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changed by lorenzodv (1)
17:44:16 <glx> again?
17:44:19 <TrueBrain> cool!
17:44:26 <glx> ha no not the same files
17:44:55 <petern> i have a vocoder :D
17:45:01 <petern> (software, of course)
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17:47:17 <Belugas> :D
17:47:40 <Belugas> i just can imagine the fun out of it!
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18:06:18 <Wolf01> hello
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18:09:14 <el_en> ciao signor 01.
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18:33:54 <petern> ah, virtual theremin
18:34:47 <Belugas> SHADOW-XIII, you should increment your rank each time you re-connect. would be much more amusing
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18:35:15 <Belugas> SHADOW-XIV, SHADOW_XV, SHADOW-XVI...
18:35:30 <TrueBrain> I think he should find a more stable connection .. it is rather annoying
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18:36:31 <Prof_Frink> SHADOW-MCMLXXXIV.
18:37:15 <TrueBrain> @kick SHADOW-XIII I need the light
18:37:16 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked by DorpsGek (I need the light)
18:37:18 <TrueBrain> @kick SHADOW-XIV I need the light
18:37:18 *** SHADOW-XIV was kicked by DorpsGek (I need the light)
18:37:21 <TrueBrain> @kick SHADOW_XIII I need the light
18:37:21 *** SHADOW_XIII was kicked by DorpsGek (I need the light)
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18:38:04 <petern> :s
18:38:20 <TrueBrain> poor petern, all confused
18:47:09 <el_en> is any of you going to visit IFSEC at Birmingham?
18:47:24 <TrueBrain> only if you pay my ticket ;)
18:47:29 <TrueBrain> (bad joke, I know)
18:48:55 <el_en> no tengo bastante dinero.
18:49:25 <Belugas> let say that if ever i'd need to go to England, i am surely not going to waste my time there. I new a place i'd rather be instead ;)
18:49:48 <TrueBrain> in someones basement?
18:50:27 <Belugas> well.. not sure if the gear is in the basement, but yeah, you got it right!
18:50:36 <Belugas> oh... and the local clubs too ;)
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19:14:08 <el_en> SHADOW-XIII: fix your connexion.
19:14:35 <SHADOW-XIII> el_en : cannot do any thing
19:14:40 <SHADOW-XIII> talk talk is crap
19:14:52 <SHADOW-XIII> it allows only 1 pc to be used with its wireless
19:14:55 <el_en> SHADOW-XIII: set lower bandwidth limit to your torrent client.
19:15:18 <SHADOW-XIII> so when ppl with other computer try to get internet I loose it
19:15:25 <el_en> *lose
19:15:37 <SHADOW-XIII> it's not speed issue but access
19:16:13 <el_en> buy better network hardware.
19:16:27 <frosch123> or do not let your neighbour use it :p
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19:17:00 <SHADOW-XIII> el_en: not my flat/house
19:17:27 <el_en> SHADOW-XIII: you're a burglar?
19:17:42 <frosch123> oh, silly of me. of course its the wireless of your neightbour
19:17:51 <frosch123> +`
19:18:02 <el_en> frosch123: no, +'
19:18:15 <SHADOW-XIII> :P nah
19:18:31 <SHADOW-XIII> neighbour already took down his no-wep/wpa wifi network :P
19:18:39 <SHADOW-XIII> I am renting a room in a flat
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19:20:42 <SHADOW-XIII> New screenshots: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=42582&p=785211#p785211
19:21:46 <Phazorx> how big is the map?
19:22:24 <SHADOW-XIII> 2048
19:22:26 <SHADOW-XIII> square
19:23:24 <SHADOW-XIII> my lapop barely runs it now :P
19:24:10 <Phazorx> so little trains...
19:25:12 <frosch123> SHADOW-XIII: there is something wrong with your matrix. in one of those shots the same helicopter is flying the same route four times
19:25:43 <SHADOW-XIII> ?
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19:27:08 <Phazorx> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/images/0/06/ProZone5.png 512x512, 2500 trains :)
19:29:04 <petern> glitch in the matrix?
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19:29:26 <el_en> welcome SHADOW-XIV
19:29:31 <SHADOW-XIV> :P
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19:39:38 <pavel1269> hey SHADOW-XIV, you know, that you have my old avatar in signature? :-P
19:40:26 <SHADOW-XIV> the bug one ?
19:40:44 <pavel1269> ye
19:40:49 <frosch123> pavel1269: be careful, shadows tend to imitate others
19:41:02 <SHADOW-XIV> wtf ? how comes frosch123
19:41:11 <SHADOW-XIV> my avatars were always unique
19:41:29 <SHADOW-XIV> only most commited forum members remember "purple guy"
19:42:04 <frosch123> my shadow always tries to imitate me
19:42:31 <SHADOW-XIV> :P .... the PSP in sig is somewhat created by me, (added text) and the bug ... found it long time ago somewhere and keep it so people scratch their screens
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19:44:01 <pavel1269> lol? wtf .... anyone know how could this happend? http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/ads/?client=ca-pub-4357758776393046&dt=1240861403886&lmt=1240861403&format=728x90_as&output=html&correlator=1240861403886&channel=8273262722&url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.tt-forums.net%252Findex.php&color_bg=FFFFFF&color_text=000000&color_link=0000FF&color_url=008000&color_border=FFFFFF&ad_type=text_image&ref=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.tt-forums.net%252Fviewforum
19:44:01 <pavel1269> .php%253Ff%253D55&frm=0&ga_vid=1297510797.1240861404&ga_sid=1240861404&ga_hid=1434931059&flash=10.0.12&u_h=800&u_w=1280&u_ah=740&u_aw=1280&u_cd=32&u_tz=120&u_his=2&u_java=true&u_nplug=11&u_nmime=83&dtd=65&w=728&h=90&xpc=yjxL0pDxSG&p=http%253A//www.tt-forums.net
19:44:18 <Rubidium> pavel1269: by pasting it here?
19:44:24 <TrueBrain> is that worth a kick .. hmm ...
19:44:24 <pavel1269> the adress i mean
19:44:27 <TrueBrain> things to consider ...
19:44:39 <pavel1269> TB: that adress is balnk at least :-P
19:44:42 <pavel1269> *blank
19:44:49 <TrueBrain> that URL is incomplete
19:44:52 <TrueBrain> as it is split
19:45:06 <TrueBrain> but besides that ... who posts such a long url in IRC?!
19:45:08 <TrueBrain> :)
19:45:13 * pavel1269 hides
19:45:23 <pavel1269> what did i clicked to, that it gave me that result?
19:45:44 <pavel1269> and dont ask me, i dont know that :-)
19:45:44 <el_en> TrueBrain: it is worth.
19:45:46 <petern> it's an advert link. what are you talking about?
19:45:57 *** petern changes topic to "0.7.0 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence | No idiots"
19:46:00 <TrueBrain> I think someone here forgot his medicine .. AGAIN
19:46:15 *** petern changes topic to "0.7.0 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence | No idiots | Except me"
19:46:23 <TrueBrain> petern: bah, I was about to make a joke about that :(
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19:46:56 <TrueBrain> PARTY!!!!
19:47:05 <petern> great, that idiots gone finally
19:47:20 <TrueBrain> petern: 'those idiots' or 'that idiot'
19:47:22 <TrueBrain> :p
19:47:27 <pavel1269> :(
19:47:34 <petern> my ' key didn't work!
19:47:46 <frosch123> use ` instead
19:47:48 <TrueBrain> EXCUSES!
19:47:54 <el_en> frosch123: english only.
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19:48:38 <petern> Belugas, your boss is mean
19:48:48 <petern> making you stay at work all afternoon :(
19:49:16 <Belugas> which one?
19:49:25 <Belugas> the one at home or the one at work?
19:49:28 <Prof_Frink> The mean one.
19:49:47 <Belugas> both are!
19:49:49 <TrueBrain> auch!
19:49:52 <Prof_Frink> So, add 'em upp and divide by the number of bosses.
19:49:58 <Prof_Frink> s/pp/p/
19:50:13 <frosch123> arithmetic means are so ...
19:50:27 <Belugas> hem... 1+1/2 =1 o_O
19:50:40 <pavel1269> false :-P
19:50:49 <pavel1269> 1+1/2 = 3/2 :-)
19:50:55 <Belugas> okok... smart ass... (1+1)/2 = 1
19:51:00 <Belugas> pouet!
19:51:01 <frosch123> pavel1269: belugas uses integers
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19:51:14 <pavel1269> okay then :-)
19:51:14 <TrueBrain> @calc 1 + 1/2
19:51:14 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1.5
19:51:21 <TrueBrain> hmm .. stipid DorpsGek!
19:51:25 <TrueBrain> @calc 1 + (int)1/2
19:51:25 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
19:51:27 <TrueBrain> :(
19:51:32 <TrueBrain> @calc 1 + int(1/2)
19:51:32 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: 'int' is not a defined function.
19:51:35 <TrueBrain> :'(
19:51:40 <Belugas> REMOVE THE BRAIN!
19:51:43 <petern> @calc 1 + floor(1/2)
19:51:43 <DorpsGek> petern: 1
19:51:55 <pavel1269> floor is cheat :-)
19:51:56 <Prof_Frink> @calc 1 + out(1/2)
19:51:56 <DorpsGek> Prof_Frink: Error: 'out' is not a defined function.
19:52:00 <petern> @calc 1 + ceil(1/2)
19:52:00 <DorpsGek> petern: 2
19:52:05 <TrueBrain> Belugas: BUT I AM NOT AN IDIOT!
19:52:23 <Prof_Frink> Where's TruePinky?
19:52:24 <Belugas> true you are
19:52:48 <Belugas> mm.. "True" you are not
19:52:53 <Belugas> or something like that...
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19:53:12 <frosch123> untrve
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20:17:42 <frosch123> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/air-force-one-backup-rattles-new-york-nerve/ <- obama, the jester :p
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20:36:39 <Pikka> hi?
20:36:54 <Pikka> Orudge?
20:36:56 <Pikka> Owen?
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20:37:23 <Belugas> Hi!
20:37:25 <Pikka> hey
20:37:33 <Belugas> !Orudge
20:37:34 <Pikka> have a quist
20:37:40 <Pikka> question
20:37:43 <Belugas> and !Owen
20:38:08 * Belugas searches dico for quist. sounds cool :)
20:38:26 <Pikka> *question:P
20:38:30 <Belugas> oups :)
20:38:33 <Pikka> can you help me?
20:38:40 <TrueBrain> let me check my glass bowl ...
20:38:43 <Belugas> no, yes, maybe
20:38:46 <Pikka> ok :P
20:38:50 <Belugas> heheh
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20:39:15 <Pikka> I've read about trainsets and airplanesets but i have no program that can open GRF's
20:39:15 <Belugas> 2 cents he'll be back soon
20:39:26 <Belugas> buwhahaha!
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20:39:56 <Pikka> which program can open GRF's\
20:39:58 <Belugas> he's double clicking and hopes for immediate opening...
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20:40:11 <TrueBrain> HE LEFT!
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20:40:43 <Pikka> @orudge I've got a question
20:40:55 <Belugas> @seen orudge
20:40:55 <DorpsGek> Belugas: orudge was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <orudge> but you can get an 0.7.0 deb from openttd.org
20:41:05 <planetmaker> he :P
20:41:08 <Pikka> ":P
20:41:19 <Belugas> he's been away for a few days, so it seems
20:41:19 <planetmaker> Pikka: ever considered to look at the forums?
20:41:29 <Pikka> where?
20:41:33 <Pikka> what topic?
20:41:38 <planetmaker> or to ... google?
20:41:48 <Pikka> xD
20:41:50 <TrueBrain> or to ... not bug orudge with such a silly question?
20:42:10 <Belugas> and by the way, Pikka, learn about command line programs too :)
20:42:21 <Belugas> GRFCODEC IS a command line
20:42:46 <petern> i here u naow
20:43:12 <Belugas> NO U DON'T!!! ya cannot!
20:43:19 <planetmaker> aaaaaah. There's actually a NEW thread as of today asking that exact question. With answers even
20:43:20 <petern> :(
20:43:38 <Pikka> what's the thread's name?
20:43:43 <Belugas> bot soun ya weeeeel
20:44:17 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43357&hilit=open+grf <-- burping later, ok?
20:44:31 <Pikka> tyvm
20:44:32 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43357
20:44:48 <Belugas> damned... too slew
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20:49:43 <Pikka> Any Dutch in here? Want to start making Netherlands map?
20:50:39 <Belugas> there are a few ( not me though ). but ... i though there were already some made... Or did i dreamed about it?
20:51:15 <orudge> a question?
20:51:27 <petern> a flower?
20:51:31 <TrueBrain> a hearth!
20:51:32 <orudge> that's not the real Pikka D:
20:51:41 <TrueBrain> orudge: oh, we noticed, don't worry :)
20:51:57 <orudge> also
20:52:00 <orudge> what an odd traceroute
20:52:06 <orudge> or, well
20:52:10 <orudge> peculiar
20:53:42 <orudge> anyway
20:55:10 <Belugas> 3 minuites
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21:00:03 <Belugas> 2 minutes overdue!!
21:00:07 <Belugas> run for your life!!!!
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21:15:21 <el_en> but... the map structure doesn't support Netherlands, does it?
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21:17:02 <TrueBrain> euh .... what kind of comment is that?!
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21:18:23 <el_en> if i'm not badly mistaken, there are areas below sea level in the Netherlands?
21:18:49 <TrueBrain> that is very true
21:19:06 <el_en> Q.E.D.
21:19:11 <TrueBrain> parts are 7 meters below sealevel
21:19:35 <TrueBrain> doesn't mean you can't make a map of the Netherlands
21:19:47 <Eddi|zuHause> they'll be 9 meters within the next 100 years ;)
21:19:52 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image013.png
21:19:53 <TrueBrain> there!
21:20:03 <TrueBrain> better yet: http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image018.png
21:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause> what do we have freeform map edges for if you cut the map off so artificially?
21:21:28 <TrueBrain> because I like this more :) Shows better which country you are playing :)
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22:41:50 <Nite_Owl> Hello all
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23:16:00 <Belugas> [17:20] <el_en> if i'm not badly mistaken, there are areas below sea level in the Netherlands? <--- yeah... that is so unrealistic. YOu should fix it, el_en!
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