IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-03-19
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00:59:32 <emjay88> What have you been up to, OpenTTD wise?
01:02:00 <Rubidium> reproducing fancy bugs/fixing bugs
01:05:10 <Rubidium> yeah, especially when it turns out that the only way to reproduce the bug is installing a Windows in a foreign language (Chinese/Korean), removing! the fonts to display those languages, rebooting and then reinstalling them
01:05:25 <Rubidium> and then rebooting again
01:05:34 <Rubidium> and only then you can reproduce the bug
01:06:17 <emjay88> isn't that a fairly obscure bug?
01:06:34 <emjay88> like "I pulled out a RAM module while playing and now it doesn't work"
01:07:03 <Rubidium> actually upgrading Windows might cause the same behaviour as fonts get replaced
01:07:55 <Sacro> emjay88: we've had s/RAM/sound\ card.
01:08:04 <Rubidium> still, if you're removing the font that OpenTTD autodetected and you do not reboot before starting OpenTTD you'll get three errors and possibly lots of question marks
01:09:17 <Rubidium> and then there some Windows installs (again of Asian origin) that randomly use localised and english names for fonts which messes up things quite thoroughly too
01:09:30 <emjay88> Rubidium: aren't fonts stored in the GRFs? I seem to remember some dicussion in the Graphics Replacement dev thread...
01:09:36 <Rubidium> should I continue about Windows and font handling?
01:09:50 <glx> even more when clean trunk fails to compile on these windows
01:10:12 <Rubidium> emjay88: nobody has made a GRF with CJK characters
01:10:36 <glx> would be a very big project
01:11:11 <Rubidium> nah... Japanese only has 1800 official characters
01:11:48 <Rubidium> (the rest gets just 'borrowed' from Chinese and isn't often used in official government documentation)
01:12:42 <Rubidium> oh the 1800 is only the Kanji; so there like 100 Hiraganas + Katakanas too
01:13:15 <Rubidium> which is slightly more than the two dozen or so Cyrillic or Greek characters
01:13:33 <Rubidium> and then there's the world of Arabic languages which is even more fun
01:14:51 <Rubidium> as different 'letters' combine differently meaning they need to be drawn differently
01:15:01 * glx still waits for a font with all unicode ranges
01:15:17 <Rubidium> there'll never be one
01:15:36 <Rubidium> as I doubt there's any useful filling for the private area
01:15:53 <glx> arial unicode contains already a lot
01:16:51 <[wito]> Rubidium: Sci-Fi channel could probably supply a lot of things to fill it with
01:17:09 <goodger> glx: dejavu sans has most
01:17:14 <[wito]> (unicode block 88: Goa'ould :P)
01:19:21 <[wito]> the number of kanji in use in japan is about 10030; tho' very many of those only appear in a single place name or surname
01:20:27 <[wito]> a few of them are in fact so rare that noone knows how to pronounce them or what they mean
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03:58:59 <emjay88> man, I really want to help the graphics replacement stuff but I'm just not a good artist :S
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07:35:17 <dihedral> close them quietly!! they usually have handles you know!
07:48:42 <petern> well if you will name yourself doorslammer...
07:50:31 <Doorslammer> OK, Ill assume dihedral is an odd shape and Forked really is just that
07:55:34 <dihedral> one m less would be odd too
07:58:50 <Forked> I'm more borked than forked really :\
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08:03:00 <Doorslammer> I at least dont add a k between the i and the h
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08:08:38 <Forked> such a hostile morning :\
08:11:45 <dihedral> Ammler, do you know when planetmaker is back?
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09:05:35 <Ammler> [09:19] <dihedral> [09:11:45] Ammler, do you know when planetmaker is back? <-- he is absent this week...
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09:41:32 <Timitry> Hm... Which is the "master file" of the language files? The "english.txt"?
09:42:29 <Timitry> I get a compiler warning "string xxx does not exist in master file" (patched version, not trunk!)
09:42:37 <Timitry> So i would have to add that string to english.txt ?
09:43:05 <petern> it might be that a string was removed in english.txt by the patch
09:43:08 <Rubidium> you better ask yourself why the string was removed in the first case
09:43:23 <el_en> Rubidium: did you mean: in the first *place*?
09:49:37 <Timitry> Yeah, someone screwed up the copypaste patch a little
09:50:08 <Rubidium> nah, they just make it a nice desyncer ;)
09:50:30 <Timitry> He also created the patch file not from the folder that contains the data and other folders, but from a folder above of that...
09:50:50 <Timitry> Which is not too nice if you want to apply the patch
09:50:53 <Rubidium> with a/ and b/, right?
09:51:26 <Timitry> no, with "openttd-0.7.0-rc1-orig"
09:51:42 <Timitry> so i had to make a folder called exactly like that and apply the patch to its top-folder
09:51:42 <Rubidium> there's nothing technically wrong with that
09:51:48 <Rubidium> it's actually quite common
09:52:22 <petern> i do use tortoisesvn for svn work
09:52:29 <petern> applying patches is not svn's job
09:57:08 <Timitry> Well... Got it working now... ;)
09:58:02 <Timitry> I also get a warning about an unused variable, __ct_assert__ - A remain from bugtesting the patch which can be removed? Or should i rather not remove that?
09:59:43 <Rubidium> upgrade your compiler and leave it there
10:04:21 <Rubidium> as it's there to prevent some quite hidden bugs from happening when someone changed some code somewhere totally different
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10:24:23 <petern> allocated an ip block for myself :p
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10:48:21 <blathijs> Hmm, www.openttd.org seems broken?
10:48:42 <blathijs> matthijs@xanthe:~$ nc www.openttd.org 80
10:48:42 <blathijs> www.openttd.org [85.17.162.188] 80 (www) : Connection refused
10:48:43 <Timitry> Puh, finally succeeded with my first patch update :)
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10:50:32 <petern> dunno if that's normal
10:50:44 <petern> despite 0 cache/buffers that's responsive as normal
10:51:01 <blathijs> (I contacted Truebrain)
10:51:48 <Noldo> still no idea what's hogging the memory?
10:54:23 <petern> hmm, one of my vservers is being odd :o
10:55:12 <blathijs> petern: It's lighttpd
10:56:19 <petern> if only it were that simple :)
10:58:08 <petern> lighttpd is only the front end
10:58:32 <petern> it proxies to other services
10:59:39 <blathijs> petern: Yeah, but it is actuall lighttpd that takes up way too much space
11:00:05 <blathijs> petern: And I suspect it does not forward to apache? Or perhaps for SVN?
11:00:38 <petern> it's my mirror vserver that's broken :/
11:00:44 <petern> or i've got some settings wrong
11:00:53 <petern> it tried to shutdown the whole machine when i stop it :o
11:01:04 <petern> fortunately it doesn't have permission at that point
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11:12:21 <Forked> life is pretty good. We're looking for a place to buy
11:14:04 <Celestar> heard it's pretty decent :P
11:14:28 * Celestar tries to remember how to use mercurial :P
11:15:47 <Forked> a house thats on this green earth would be nice though
11:15:57 <Forked> Mars is a bit far away from where i work.. and I heard internet there is pretty laggy
11:16:07 <Celestar> it all comes down to the neighbours I guess
11:16:21 <Celestar> yeah, ping times exceed 20 minutes sometimes
11:16:34 <Celestar> it's EVEN worse than Draft-N
11:16:42 <Timitry> What have i done wrong if i get that message?
11:17:01 <Timitry> Seems like something wasn't properly updated in the .patch file or something like that...
11:17:23 * petern ponders just installing this dodgy vserver
11:17:28 <dihedral> how nice to see you :)
11:17:41 <Timitry> Since it wants to create something in OpenTTD/copypaste_test2... while i am compiling in OpenTTD/copypaste_newstationbuildgui...
11:17:45 <dihedral> petern, get some nice hardware, install esx-i and enjoy :-)
11:18:20 <petern> yes but this system is already installed
11:18:23 <dihedral> handles it's vm's very nicely
11:18:33 <petern> along with using software raid1...
11:18:34 <Celestar> dihedral: working on a sync with trunk
11:18:38 <dihedral> TB even switched over to it :-)
11:18:40 <Timitry> "Celestar tries to remember how to use mercurial :P" <--- Because you finished CargoDest? (Hope dies last :D)
11:18:40 <Celestar> dihedral: currently installing SDL :P
11:19:01 <dihedral> so.... striving towards 0.8 then with it?
11:19:03 <petern> Celestar: someone had patches for the order list changes
11:19:14 <petern> possibly Aali, though i can't remember
11:19:23 <dihedral> Aali had a complete update for it
11:19:46 <Celestar> petern: let me first get a dev env installed. I've just upgraded my system :P
11:21:05 <petern> also, vserver is nice & light weight
11:21:13 <petern> which is good cos i only have old generation xeons
11:21:35 <petern> (£100 server versus £2000 server, innit)
11:21:53 <petern> as it's personal use...
11:21:54 <dihedral> 500 for a R200 quad core ^^
11:22:28 <petern> btw, does esx-i require hardware virtualization support?
11:22:51 <Noldo> petern: have you tried other free options?
11:23:12 <dihedral> esx-i sadly does not run on all hardware, it's kinda picky when it comes to that
11:23:23 <dihedral> but, it only has a 32mb footprint
11:23:30 <dihedral> and is the best hypervisor i know of
11:23:55 <dihedral> sadly i dont know the ins and outs of it :-P
11:24:13 <petern> Noldo: which in particular?
11:24:43 <petern> vserver suits my needs because it doesn't require a virtual machine type set up
11:25:02 <petern> and i've another vserver on here that works perfectly... only this mirror one that's messed up
11:25:24 <Noldo> we are building a virtual server platform for a computer club, just exploring the options
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11:38:52 <Celestar> how did this work right away?
11:43:06 <Celestar> I'm trying to merge :P
11:44:45 <Celestar> without causing a quantum singularity
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11:45:21 <Celestar> saveload.cpp is no more?
11:48:18 <Celestar> 713 files updated, 86 files merged, 21 files removed, 30 files unresolved
11:49:29 <Celestar> O_o how do I see the unresolved stuff in "hg st" ?
12:00:06 <Aali> you need to configure a merge program to resolve those unless you want to do it manually
12:00:23 <Aali> oh and I have a bundle you might like
12:07:00 <Celestar> can I revert a "hg merge" ?
12:07:34 <Aali> or rather, you can strip the changesets you pulled
12:15:21 <Celestar> I'll work on that ...
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12:37:03 <Rubidium> Celestar: saveload.cpp went to saveload/saveload.cpp
12:37:58 <petern> we removed save game support
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12:53:14 <Rubidium> Celestar: good luck with syncing, especially the order stuff rewrites
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13:40:24 <petern> *** Game paused (not enough players)
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13:45:00 <dihedral> petern, did you run unpause at anytime?
13:45:25 <Rubidium> dihedral: it's YOUR fault ;) (well... FS#2745 is)
13:45:55 <petern> no, i loaded a savegame
13:46:14 <dihedral> Rubidium, i'll fix it ;-)
13:49:52 <dihedral> NetworkServerDoMove does CheckMinAvtiveClients
13:51:56 <Belugas> the best admin tool available! No player to administer :D
13:52:56 <dihedral> Yexo_, you look a bit .... trod on
13:52:57 <petern> it works when switching companies but not when creating one
13:57:20 <dihedral> that is the smallest patch ^^
14:01:08 <Rubidium> dihedral: what if someone becomes a spectator?
14:01:18 <dihedral> that is a standard move
14:01:26 <dihedral> and that already is handled
14:01:36 <dihedral> in the NetworkServerDoMove (last line)
14:01:56 <petern> last time i remember it always checked the number of clients ;)
14:03:00 <dihedral> creating a new company is a doCommand
14:03:06 <dihedral> the Move code is not touched for that
14:03:16 <Rubidium> petern: that must've been an awfully long time ago
14:04:08 <Rubidium> 0.5 checks the number of clients with a valid playas (i.e. non-spectators)
14:05:23 <petern> that's not what i meant
14:05:35 <petern> i mean it did it in the networking loop rather than a specific function call
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14:52:53 <dihedral> forget that patch ^^
14:57:21 <dihedral> fails because of recursive doCommand :-P
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15:49:07 <kbrooks> Does 0.7.0 still require game files?
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15:51:34 <kbrooks> What version do you think will stop requiring game files?
15:52:29 <Sacro> I can't say whether 0.7.0 will require game files
15:52:34 <Sacro> because it isn't actually out yet
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15:53:05 <kbrooks> I'm guessing it will though.
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15:55:05 <petern> openttd is always require game files
15:56:19 <kbrooks> petern: I was referring to *proprietary* game files.
15:56:48 <Yexo> and techincally you don't need them at the moment either
15:56:57 <Yexo> just download opengfx and use an empty sample.cat
15:57:16 <Yexo> well, opengfx still has a lot of black boxes, and ^^
15:57:23 <kbrooks> What about the _graphics_?
15:57:41 <petern> is this 'use every type of highlight' day?
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15:58:20 <kbrooks> Whoa - 89 percent done.
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15:59:50 <Sacro> can we kick him for quoting constantly
16:01:00 <kbrooks> Sacro: I believe I quoted twice so far. Including the highlights, I have done so 4 times so far.
16:01:28 <kbrooks> I'm not sure how that goes under the definition of the word constant.
16:02:40 <petern> 89% is no use if the other 11% are common graphics...
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16:55:43 <petern> god this machine is so slooooow
17:02:00 <el_en> i don't think god is on this channel
17:03:26 <Belugas> p.s.: i'm pretty much agnostic
17:05:04 <Ammler> god is gone :-(: /ns info god > [Notice] -NickServ- Last quit time: Thu 07 Aug 2008 01:56:57 +0000 (7m 12d 15:06:37 ago)
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17:41:52 <Cutter> is there a way to copy/paste rail sections?
17:42:17 <Cutter> like complex junctions for example
17:43:23 <Rubidium> there's a patch that can do that (today with touch of desyncer code)
17:43:40 <frosch123> it's called "call-your-little-brother-and-let-him-play-while-you-are-watching-him-playing-being-to-lazy-for-clicking-yourself"
17:44:25 * Rubidium wonders whether lighttpd shouldn't be written as liehhtpd
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17:44:34 <Cutter> what's your favourite 4-way junction ?
17:44:55 <frosch123> the one that fits between landscape, towns and industries
17:57:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15766 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2744]: Crash when opening the content list window twice; inconsistencies when clicking download twice.
17:58:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15767 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Fix: infinite loop when skipping sprites when a GRF is invalid (or truncated).
18:00:06 <Ammler> frosch123: nice one :-)
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18:24:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15768 /trunk/src/lang/ (42 files): -Change: remove an "experimental" marker for something that has been working fine for a long time and remove the ununderstandable part of the description.
18:26:02 <welshdragon> ....delayed reaction there energetic2
18:27:43 <Sacro> Rubidium: derstandable?
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18:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15769 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
18:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-03-19 18:46:01
18:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 4 fixed, 1 changed by khaloofah (5)
18:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 5 fixed by tucalipe (5)
18:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: esperanto - 9 fixed by maristo (9)
18:46:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 7 fixed by Simek (7)
18:46:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovak - 3 fixed by James (3)
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18:50:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15770 /trunk/src/lang/danish.txt:
18:50:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-03-19 18:49:29
18:50:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 33 fixed by ThomasA (33)
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19:53:27 <frosch123> can someone please provide me a savegame with lots of ships? (I hardly use them myself)
19:53:47 <frosch123> I would like to do some profiling ^^
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19:56:00 <Darkvater> someone should write a new pathfinder for'em :)
19:56:12 <Darkvater> get your ass in here boi
19:56:33 <frosch123> I just want to compare r15768 with r15768M :p
19:56:35 <Sacro> I need a final year project **hides*
19:56:57 * Darkvater thinks the difference is 'M'
19:57:17 <Darkvater> too bad subversion doesn't do custom keyword substitution
19:57:25 <frosch123> thanks, you are truely helpful friends :)
19:57:29 <Darkvater> eg $license$ with its actual svn:property value
19:57:38 <Darkvater> no I have to search&replace everywhere :s
20:00:09 <petern> yeah, npf is not slow with ships...
20:00:12 <Darkvater> would be awesome if it'd do it automatically on svn export through some flag
20:00:38 <Darkvater> petern: but they get lost and no collision detection
20:07:25 <Muxy> I'm searching the url where open ttd source code can be viewed and compared
20:07:38 <Darkvater> Muxy: www.openttd.org > development
20:07:54 <Muxy> vcs, that's it, thanks yorick
20:08:48 <Darkvater> why oh god, do I have to register at some 23jr4Q@#$r corporate site to download subversion cli binaries?
20:09:09 <Rubidium> you're not downloading it from the right place I'd say
20:10:09 <Rubidium> the joys of external packagers
20:11:02 <Darkvater> it's really terrible
20:11:05 <Muxy> about bugs, i made an entry in flyspray FS#2745, Glx starts to look at it, but have no news from him.
20:11:43 <Rubidium> Muxy: you expect that we log every attempt that gets done in there
20:11:52 <Muxy> i would like to know if the diff file provided to fix that is correct
20:12:10 <Muxy> Rubidium: hum sometimes i hope
20:12:26 <Rubidium> and you expect that we log every non-OpenTTD related "task" like doing groceries, making dinner or eating it (or going for a "core" dump)
20:12:28 <Muxy> sure, not every second, but sometimes
20:12:38 <Noldo> Muxy: just wait and hope you'll find your name in the commit log
20:12:52 <Muxy> no, its not for my name...
20:13:08 <Muxy> Rubidium: after eating i dump core...
20:14:19 <glx> Darkvater: silksvn doesn't require registration
20:14:53 <DorpsGek> energetic: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> valhallasw: good luck with your RoboCom
20:14:59 <Rubidium> Muxy: doesn't work when the server player is the only player
20:15:32 <Muxy> did not try with server not dedicated
20:16:19 <Muxy> i dont use openttd as not dedicated... so i will try and fix better..
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20:16:56 <Muxy> hum, just after finishing cooking my bread...
20:17:13 <Rubidium> I'm talking about the non-dedicated server that went to spectator and then starts a new company
20:17:37 <Muxy> yes, non dedicated server... understood this way
20:18:03 <Muxy> i did not test with non dedicated server.. because i dont use openttd this way.
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20:19:41 <DarkSSHClone> omg I am still here?
20:19:45 <Rubidium> attack of the clones!
20:19:57 <DarkSSHClone> I thought I logged out a long ago :P
20:20:13 <Rubidium> did Darth Vader die that quickly?
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20:20:46 <Darkvater> I love it, every time I shut down irssi on that client I get a coredump
20:20:58 <Darkvater> *** glibc detected *** /home/tfarago/temp/irssi/bin/irssi: free(): invalid pointer: 0x080fe298 ***
20:21:08 <Sacro> I've missed the fun days of old
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20:21:29 <DorpsGek> yorick: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 20 hours, 5 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Bjarni> <SmatZ> [22:43:21] <Bjarni> el_en: pisst.... Ottawa <== frosch123 was right about "hours spent googling" :-D <--- I don't need google for that. Besides it's kind of hard to answer right away when I'm not at the computer
20:21:51 * Sacro goes on a highlighting old devs spree
20:22:21 <DorpsGek> Sacro: * could be <last> (19 seconds ago), yorick (19 seconds ago), Sacro (29 seconds ago), Darkvater (48 seconds ago), pavel1269 (1 minute and 51 seconds ago), Rubidium (2 minutes and 6 seconds ago), DarkSSHClone (2 minutes and 12 seconds ago), Muxy (4 minutes and 17 seconds ago), energetic (7 minutes and 27 seconds ago), glx (8 minutes and 1 second ago), Noldo (9 minutes and 41 seconds ago), Belugas (13 minutes and (50 more messages)
20:22:39 <Rubidium> Darkvater: you should say @more ;)
20:22:40 <DorpsGek> petern: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
20:22:40 <KenjiE20> isn't @nicks better?
20:22:44 <DorpsGek> Darkvater: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
20:22:52 <DorpsGek> Darkvater: Error: I haven't seen kick.
20:22:54 <Sacro> almost as fun as /msg #openttd Hello!
20:23:03 <Darkvater> @more kick sacro!!!!
20:23:03 <DorpsGek> Darkvater: Error: I haven't seen kick.
20:23:04 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 50 seconds ago), petern (22 minutes and 11 seconds ago), frosch123 (24 minutes and 55 seconds ago), CIA-1 (1 hour, 32 minutes, and 1 second ago), energetic2 (1 hour, 54 minutes, and 43 seconds ago), welshdragon (1 hour, 56 minutes, and 18 seconds ago), Ammler (2 hours, 22 minutes, and 14 seconds ago), Yexo (2 hours, 22 minutes, and 14 seconds ago), Cutter (2 hours, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), el_en (3 (49 more messages)
20:23:10 <Darkvater> @more kick sacro dammit
20:23:10 <DorpsGek> Darkvater: Error: I haven't seen kick.
20:23:22 <glx> @kick Sacro don't do that
20:23:22 *** Sacro was kicked by DorpsGek (don't do that)
20:23:36 <DorpsGek> yorick: hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago), kbrooks (4 hours, 20 minutes, and 52 seconds ago), Biolunar (4 hours, 21 minutes, and 26 seconds ago), dihedral (5 hours, 15 minutes, and 50 seconds ago), [wito] (5 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds ago), Celestar (8 hours, 6 minutes, and 59 seconds ago), Aali (8 hours, 14 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), Timitry (9 hours, 3 minutes, and 32 seconds ago), Forked (9 hours, 6 (48 more messages)
20:23:50 <petern> well if you will give them these commands...
20:23:51 <glx> @kick yorick same for you
20:23:51 *** yorick was kicked by DorpsGek (same for you)
20:23:54 <pavel1269> omg, what the hell is @more doing?
20:23:57 <Darkvater> you guys fill up my HD with so many mores
20:24:21 <Darkvater> I had about 40MB of #openttd logs before I purged it in a fit of insanity
20:24:32 <DorpsGek> Sacro: hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago), kbrooks (4 hours, 20 minutes, and 52 seconds ago), Biolunar (4 hours, 21 minutes, and 26 seconds ago), dihedral (5 hours, 15 minutes, and 50 seconds ago), [wito] (5 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds ago), Celestar (8 hours, 6 minutes, and 59 seconds ago), Aali (8 hours, 14 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), Timitry (9 hours, 3 minutes, and 32 seconds ago), Forked (9 hours, 6 (48 more messages)
20:24:33 <welshdragon> glx: it was Darkvater that started it!
20:24:34 <DorpsGek> Sacro: minutes, and 23 seconds ago), Celestar_ (9 hours, 12 minutes, and 26 seconds ago), blathijs (9 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), Doorslammer (12 hours, 19 minutes, and 20 seconds ago), emjay88 (16 hours, 23 minutes, and 8 seconds ago), goodger (19 hours, 5 minutes, and 11 seconds ago), Nite_Owl (22 hours, 14 minutes, and 45 seconds ago), Brianetta (23 hours, 11 minutes, and 16 seconds ago), SmatZ (23 hours, (47 more messages)
20:24:35 <[wito]> Darkvater: what's that, 3 days worth?
20:24:35 <DorpsGek> Sacro: 11 minutes, and 40 seconds ago), colde (23 hours, 22 minutes, and 0 seconds ago), Prof_Frink (1 day, 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 14 seconds ago), Belgabor (1 day, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 25 seconds ago), Aygar (1 day, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 0 seconds ago), Mark (1 day, 7 hours, 38 minutes, and 37 seconds ago), dih (1 day, 9 hours, 50 minutes, and 17 seconds ago), HerzogDeXtEr (1 day, 10 hours, 48 minutes, and 3 (46 more messages)
20:24:41 <Belugas> Who dares disturb my work for such trivial reassons??
20:24:42 *** Darkvater sets mode: +b *!*ben@*.karoo.KCOM.COM
20:24:47 <yorick> argh...now it's my more too
20:24:51 <KenjiE20> do @nicks and just get it over with :P
20:25:15 <DorpsGek> yorick: minutes, and 1 second ago), hackalittlebit (5 days, 15 hours, 21 minutes, and 20 seconds ago), [s] (5 days, 19 hours, 41 minutes, and 0 seconds ago), Belugas_Gone (5 days, 22 hours, 14 minutes, and 16 seconds ago), davis` (6 days, 0 hours, 23 minutes, and 0 seconds ago), DJNekkid (6 days, 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 23 seconds ago), Kennie_ (6 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 50 seconds ago), |Japa| (6 days, 4 hours, (38 more messages)
20:25:41 *** glx sets mode: +b *!~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl]
20:26:09 <petern> goodger! it's not me this time!
20:26:15 <Darkvater> yorick can come back if he commits newtunnels
20:26:20 <pavel1269> who owe first ban? :-)
20:26:32 * goodger returns to web writing
20:26:42 <pavel1269> ahh sacro and yorick :-)
20:27:01 <glx> but Sacro is still here :)
20:27:14 <Rubidium> loluttpasfjglkjfljkfsdaljafsd
20:27:18 *** Darkvater sets mode: -b *!*ben@*.karoo.KCOM.COM
20:27:38 <Sacro> let's not do that again
20:28:01 <Darkvater> you know who was fun?
20:28:15 <Darkvater> remember him petern ?
20:28:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o petern
20:28:28 <glx> banned for 3 months each time?
20:28:38 *** petern sets mode: +q DorpsGek!*@*
20:28:39 <Darkvater> kept on ranting like a madman, always knowing everything best
20:28:41 <DorpsGek> petern: seconds ago), wision (2 days, 20 hours, 22 minutes, and 18 seconds ago), George (2 days, 23 hours, 57 minutes, and 59 seconds ago), orudge (3 days, 0 hours, and 11 seconds ago), Everest (3 days, 3 hours, 43 minutes, and 57 seconds ago), eQualizer (3 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), guru3 (3 days, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 45 seconds ago), Lukas (3 days, 5 hours, 4 minutes, and 38 seconds ago), (43 more messages)
20:28:50 <petern> oh yeah, doesn't work for ops
20:28:57 *** petern sets mode: -o DorpsGek
20:28:59 <DorpsGek> petern: wrudolph (3 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes, and 48 seconds ago), nicfer (3 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 28 seconds ago), TinoDidriksen (3 days, 19 hours, 54 minutes, and 53 seconds ago), MrFrans (3 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 53 seconds ago), planetmaker (3 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 37 seconds ago), ITSBTH (3 days, 22 hours, 11 minutes, and 38 seconds ago), Chrill (4 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 4 (42 more messages)
20:29:01 <DorpsGek> petern: seconds ago), taknil (4 days, 2 hours, 39 minutes, and 32 seconds ago), insulfrog (4 days, 4 hours, 4 minutes, and 33 seconds ago), jpm (4 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), Gekz (4 days, 7 hours, 27 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), Pikka (4 days, 9 hours, 5 minutes, and 30 seconds ago), Yoshi5186 (4 days, 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 35 seconds ago), spasm_1 (4 days, 16 hours, 6 minutes, and 42 seconds (41 more messages)
20:29:15 <glx> more is not the problem :)
20:29:17 <DorpsGek> Darkvater: tron was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 5 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 5 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Tron> gcc 2.95 is plain obsolete (even has several bugs in its C++ part). further at the very least the justifications given are extremely oversimplified.
20:29:43 *** petern sets mode: -q DorpsGek!*@*
20:29:45 *** petern sets mode: +o DorpsGek
20:30:03 *** glx sets mode: -b *!~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl]
20:30:29 <petern> ln is not banned afaik...
20:31:09 <Rubidium> or is there a +q spell cast?
20:31:47 <pavel1269> :-O ... what were they doing, that they have bans?
20:31:58 <yorick> pavel1269: try @more yorick to find out
20:32:19 <yorick> because you want to know
20:32:32 <pavel1269> they were just spamming?
20:32:53 <Belugas> [16:33] <@Darkvater> ln's not that bad <-- he's improving, let say
20:33:45 <petern> can someone remind me how to export and import a mailman user list, with settings intact?
20:33:56 <DorpsGek> pavel1269: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
20:34:13 <DorpsGek> pavel1269: (more [<nick>]) -- If the last command was truncated due to IRC message length limitations, returns the next chunk of the result of the last command. If <nick> is given, it takes the continuation of the last command from <nick> instead of the person sending this message.
20:34:48 <petern> more should send to private message only
20:34:52 <Rubidium> ugh... mailman the behemoth
20:35:09 <petern> need to upgrade an ancient install
20:35:36 <Rubidium> I suggest you order some extra memory first ;)
20:36:01 <petern> it was never a problem on the old machine with 0.5 MB...
20:36:36 <Darkvater> 21:35 There are no ignores
20:36:41 <Rubidium> petern: cause it's using (on clear restart) like 70-80 MB on openttd.org without any real reasons
20:36:44 <petern> (and does less overall)
20:37:01 <Belugas> my old machine (but only desktop) stillruns with 0.5 GB
20:37:13 <petern> is there a daemon mode?
20:37:19 <petern> cos i've never used that...
20:37:54 <Darkvater> or is /ignore user specific?
20:38:07 <Rubidium> Darkvater: it's nick specific
20:38:21 <petern> i think that was a cron on the old system :p
20:38:25 <Darkvater> no I mean if I "/ignore bob" is he also ignored by you?
20:38:37 <Darkvater> eg, what's the channel ignore? +q
20:38:40 <Rubidium> no, cause then yorick would be ignored for you
20:40:06 <Rubidium> yes +q is channel ignore
20:40:18 <Darkvater> oh something like /mode +q <user>
20:40:32 <Darkvater> i totally forgot irc :s
20:40:55 <petern> ouch... the old version is 6 years old :p
20:41:03 <Belugas> that's not important, as long as you remember how to code, patch, compile, commit and diff!
20:41:18 <Darkvater> I usually just code+commit
20:41:28 <Darkvater> and you forgot test :)
20:42:19 <petern> what is this test you speak of?
20:42:32 <Belugas> it's called a nightly
20:44:40 <Rubidium> petern: tea elevenses supper time?
20:47:05 <Darkvater> 21:46 -ChanServ(services@services.oftc.net)- End of QUIET list for #openttd.
20:47:55 <Ammler> it was possible some months ago, something in the pf might have changed...
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20:49:15 <Rubidium> enable 90 degree turns, route it to a station not within the loop?
20:49:45 <TrueBrain> Hi all :) I am going to push a big change onto the live openttd.org websites. The change is regarding references to media files. They now will be routed to http://media.openttd.org instead of several subdirs. Anyway, what is important here: please let me know any broken images you can find (which means I missed one ;))
20:49:51 <Ammler> Rubidium: there is already a track tile there
20:50:01 <Ammler> so it doesn't need 90deg curves
20:50:45 <Rubidium> then enable ntp and route it to an unreachable station; might give the wanted result
20:50:51 <Rubidium> might also not do it
20:51:16 <Rubidium> or it's the yapp reservation it's following and then you're officially screwed ;)
20:51:43 <Darkvater> hihi, openttd.org is broken
20:51:46 <Rubidium> coal mine subsidence?
20:52:24 <frosch123> does not crash trains iirc
20:53:10 <Darkvater> TrueBrain: website was broken!
20:53:16 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: it _was_ :p
20:53:47 <TrueBrain> I am now trying to install a new httpd which guarantees you can do updates of the httpd without downtime :p
20:54:11 <Darkvater> hmm are we going to udpate the servers list so 0.7.0RC1 is on top?
20:54:35 <Ammler> Rubidium: with ntp, it would work
20:54:46 <Ammler> without any order fiddeling
20:54:57 <Darkvater> no, but we used to do it in the past
20:55:07 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: past ... present ... there is a time difference ;) :p :p :p
20:55:19 <Darkvater> my timemachine says otherwise
20:55:20 <TrueBrain> "There are 162 clients and 166 servers." <- still more servers ;)
20:55:23 <orudge> ah, DorpsGek being silly
20:55:26 <Rubidium> Darkvater: we used to have mingw crosscompiled nightlies in the past too
20:55:47 <Darkvater> we used to have bjarni
20:56:03 <TrueBrain> 1-0 for Darkvater :p
20:56:23 <Rubidium> who needs Bjarni anyways?
20:56:40 <Darkvater> we wouldn't have enough bugs otherwise
20:56:43 <TrueBrain> my OSX installs still fail ... my ACPI is now giving me a hard time :(
20:57:13 <Rubidium> Darkvater: fonts + Windows + MSVC gives enough problems already
20:57:38 <Darkvater> I saw the logs, windows is really stupid
20:59:59 <Rubidium> still, want to "break" OpenTTD's Windows font detection? Just start OpenTTD in a strange language, determine what font that is. Then close OpenTTD, remove that font and start OpenTTD... et voila... errors that the font couldn't be loaded
21:00:13 <Rubidium> just because Windows still thinks the font exists
21:00:18 <TrueBrain> Belugas: yours is reversed!!! :p
21:00:32 <Rubidium> and the only way to fix it is a reboot of Windows
21:00:32 <glx> Rubidium: but that's not an openttd bug
21:00:33 <Belugas> yup, just to be different :D
21:00:41 <TrueBrain> Belugas: you always have ... ;)
21:00:52 <Rubidium> glx: that's a won't fix anyways
21:01:01 <Belugas> TrueBrain, it takes one to notice ^_^
21:01:06 <Rubidium> our Chinese endeavour was much more fun ;)
21:01:27 <glx> fonts registered with only locale names
21:01:28 <Darkvater> [#FS23411] Openttd doesn't start after deleting user32.dll. Please fix!
21:01:28 <Rubidium> or tracing that OSX bug ;)
21:01:47 <Darkvater> oeh, tell me abuut the OSX bug
21:01:58 <Darkvater> I like that bash that OS
21:02:02 <glx> Darkvater: I don't think it's even possible to delete user32.dll in a running windows
21:02:18 <Rubidium> Darkvater ^ (line 86+)
21:02:46 <Belugas> canadian canadian... as it it would explain everything... I was born in Belgium, you know?
21:02:51 <Belugas> mmh...not even an excuse
21:02:57 <Darkvater> Belugas: that's even worse
21:03:07 <Darkvater> just stay canadian please, I love you :)
21:03:36 <Rubidium> Belugas: shouldn't you catch the bus?
21:04:17 <glx> and we traced the osx bug in pearpc (as we found nobody with the required hardware)
21:04:29 <Belugas> and thanks for that..
21:05:28 <glx> even more fun, openttd for osx 10.3.9 is not compilable on osx 10.3.9
21:05:52 <TrueBrain> glx: that is just SDK problems :)
21:05:53 <Darkvater> so how is it for 10.3.9 then?
21:06:06 <TrueBrain> 10.3.9 SDK doesn't have version detection functions :)
21:06:38 <glx> on 10.3.9 only 10.3.0 SDK is available
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21:07:07 <glx> anyway OSX and backward compatibility don't mix well
21:07:35 <TrueBrain> General Notice: FireFox ( / IceWeasel) fucks up gzip streams :p
21:08:01 <goodger> see, I found a new emoticon
21:08:10 <glx> <TrueBrain> 10.3.9 SDK doesn't have version detection functions :) <-- wrong they are in 10.3.9 SDK, not in 10.3.0 SDK
21:08:11 <TrueBrain> @kick goodger he, I found a new button!
21:08:30 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: I don't recognize you.
21:08:37 <TrueBrain> RECOGNIZE YOUR MASTER!
21:08:47 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
21:09:02 <glx> TrueBrain: is it possible to disable @nicks (or how it's called) ?
21:09:18 <Rubidium> glx: rather @more ;)
21:09:20 <KenjiE20> just drop capabilities one it
21:09:20 <TrueBrain> glx: how about banning people who abuse it?
21:09:33 <frosch123> hmm, we should highlight Sacro every few minutes...
21:10:06 <glx> works too, but I think it's easier to not let them abuse
21:10:15 * Rubidium doesn't think banning people with ops is very useful
21:10:26 <TrueBrain> glx: I think it is easier to make people understand 'social behavoir' ;)
21:10:26 <goodger> what's this about highlighting sacro?
21:10:33 *** Rubidium sets mode: +b *!*Rubidium@rbijker.net
21:10:35 <TrueBrain> glx: but okay, I will look into the bot in general
21:10:42 <Rubidium> like... does it work?
21:10:49 <TrueBrain> @kick Rubidium yes :p
21:10:49 *** Rubidium was kicked by DorpsGek (yes :p)
21:11:04 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +o TrueBrain
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21:11:07 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Rubidium
21:11:55 *** TrueBrain sets mode: -b *!*Rubidium@rbijker.net
21:12:37 <TrueBrain> anyway, Rubidium, if ops start abusing @nicks, we need to have a long talk with that person
21:12:41 <TrueBrain> a long long long long long talk :p
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21:13:12 <Rubidium> okay, we were playing games with HansAffe that time
21:13:27 <TrueBrain> cherokee has a REALLY REALLY nice admin interface .. I am very impressed
21:15:24 <Rubidium> and based on HansAffe's graph Darkvater seems to be in the center of all attention
21:15:46 <TrueBrain> made any patches already? :)
21:16:43 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: we've already established that he doesn't make patches
21:17:08 <TrueBrain> then what good is he? :p
21:17:45 <Rubidium> coding, committing, not testing, ...
21:19:24 <yorick> and he makes nice codeswarms
21:19:42 * Rubidium wonders why Sacro didn't mention ludde
21:31:30 <DorpsGek> Darkvater: I don't recognize you.
21:32:04 <Darkvater> Rubidium: seems more webalike than me though
21:32:23 <Darkvater> Celestar: you here??
21:43:03 <Rubidium> petern: can't find any stable release where the pause got checked in the network loop. Looks like it got added in 0.5 and there it was already called when a client joined/quit
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21:57:00 <petern> Rubidium: ... you spent time looking? :o
21:57:41 <Rubidium> no, wasted it ofcourse
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22:06:24 <Rubidium> so now he's going to be a "damn lurker" too?
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22:19:18 <eMjay88> good morning everyone
22:19:30 *** eMjay88 is now known as eMJay88
22:20:27 <TrueBrain> I WANT MORNING TOO!
22:20:47 <tokai> It's morning in 40 minutes.
22:20:50 <Ammler> noo, I want sleep first :-)
22:21:40 <tokai> TrueBrain does not sleep. He waits.
22:23:48 <Rubidium> Ammler: try a power nap: usleep(2)
22:24:18 <Ammler> how many nights can you do that?
22:24:57 <Rubidium> quite a lot I'd reckon
22:25:21 <Rubidium> just use the appropriate scheduling algorithms
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22:31:12 <eMJay88> Rubidium, TrueBrain: Melbourne, to be precise
22:31:28 <eMJay88> 9:30am on a pleasant Friday morning :P
22:32:40 <Rubidium> in two weeks it'll be Friday here too, though it's still Thursday now
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22:36:21 <TrueBrain> glx: can you modify your index.php in pdb to check if there is a ~ to be removed? :p
22:36:30 <TrueBrain> as not in all cases the ~ is there
22:36:35 <TrueBrain> (via secure.openttd.org for example)
22:38:25 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: same goes to you :)
22:39:16 <TrueBrain> reason why is that I am trying a new httpd, which doesn't add the ~ in any case ;)
22:48:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai
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23:02:44 <eMJay88> oh god IE and its improper box-model annoy me so much
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23:07:14 <eMJay88> only the version that my boss has :P
23:13:26 <Rubidium> which under Murphy's law is going to be upgraded the day before you deliver the product
23:15:23 <Yexo> TrueBrain: did you change anything wrt the hg view? hg.openttd.org seems to miss some css files
23:15:39 <TrueBrain> Yexo: ah, so something was still using those files :p
23:16:13 <TrueBrain> (I am trying to ... unmangle some hacks we once put in place to get it working :p)
23:16:23 <TrueBrain> (one big one is 'media' location)
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23:28:16 <eMJay88> Rubidium: sadly, that's probably true
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23:47:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15771 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix (r13256): Settings from the [gameopt] section (from 0.6 config files) were overwritten with default values.
23:48:19 <Yexo> Brokkoli: please revert that edit, a few of those cases may have slipt though
23:48:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15772 /trunk/src/sprite.h: -Fix (r15767): MSVC can't find the right function anymore because the return value in the header was not updated.
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23:49:58 <Yexo> Brokkoli: I've used that bot to rename a lot of the "patch setting" links to "advanced setting" links, and some cases like this one were accidentaly convert too
23:50:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15773 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#2475]: number of active clients wasn't always properly
23:50:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15774 /trunk/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp: -Fix (r15708): Don't show the message about reporting an AI crash for the dummy AI.
23:52:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15775 /branches/0.7/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs):
23:52:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
23:52:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not show the message about reporting an AI crash for the dummy AI (r15774)
23:52:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Number of active clients was not always properly updated [FS#2475] (r15773)
23:52:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Settings from the [gameopt] section (from old 0.6 config files) were overwritten with default values (r15771)
23:52:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Infinite loop when skipping sprites when a GRF is invalid (or truncated) (r15767)
23:52:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Crash when opening the content list window twice; inconsistencies when clicking download twice [FS#2744] (r15766)
23:52:19 <Rubidium> laggy CIA (as always)
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