IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2008-12-09
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00:00:13 <TrueBrain> no, a heightmap of some random coordinates
00:00:16 <Rubidium> looks like a mountain range near a desert with a river in it
00:00:26 <TrueBrain> 5 degrees by 5 degrees
00:00:41 <TrueBrain> 600 pixels per degree resolution (I can generate one at 1200 px/dg, but that gives an even bigger image :p)
00:01:00 <SmatZ> interesting :) except for that line ~600 pixels from the bottom
00:01:11 <Rubidium> do you know the random coordinates of that image?
00:01:12 <TrueBrain> yeah, some images are concatted wrong on eachother
00:01:29 <TrueBrain> this image is part of 4 basefiles
00:02:59 <TrueBrain> the colours btw overflow
00:03:05 <TrueBrain> (image is 8bit, source is 16bit :p)
00:04:07 <SmatZ> + * be triggered, so rereplace the signals and make the debugger userful. */
00:07:45 <TrueBrain> new world, don't you love it? :)
00:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause> looks like a fractal to me...
00:08:33 <Rubidium> SmatZ: you're late with that comment
00:09:55 <Rubidium> #define userful "useful for the user using it"
00:10:40 <TrueBrain> I have no idea where the distortion comes from ..
00:11:13 <TrueBrain> it looks like the obttom 600px are reverted in the x-axis ..
00:11:16 <TrueBrain> no idea how that can happen ..
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00:43:17 <TrueBrain> now that was nice food :)
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00:44:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: found of what region the image is?
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01:16:10 <glx> there are missing data :)
01:18:22 <TrueBrain> bigger became slightly too large in PNG :p
01:18:45 <TrueBrain> any more comments? :p
01:20:18 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: where do you fetch the data?
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01:25:48 <De_Ghosty> takes forever to load
01:26:36 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: so a 90m scan of the earth ..
01:26:40 <TrueBrain> well, 90m on the equator
01:26:53 <TrueBrain> better to say: 1200 px/dg
01:28:45 <Sacro> glx: there is missing data
01:29:00 <TrueBrain> omg ... you want a kick ban or something?
01:29:28 <Sacro> wtf, my mind is dead D:
01:30:30 <TrueBrain> generating the biggest possible map ... the whole earth
01:30:44 <TrueBrain> @calc 2048 * 34.6 / 100
01:31:44 <glx> I clicked too early it seems
01:32:21 <TrueBrain> btw, black is no data, any other color is detected height .. which can be below sealevel :)
01:35:34 <TrueBrain> I only really wonder why there are squares of different colours
01:35:48 <glx> hmm ok it's too big for firefox
01:36:16 <TrueBrain> use a real image viewer
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01:39:36 <TrueBrain> I guess I should create more scaled down data-files, decreases the size of those images :p
01:39:52 <TrueBrain> but .. I doubt this would even make a good heightmap :)
01:42:23 <glx> even gimp has problems to handle it (slow reaction)
01:43:13 <TrueBrain> libpng is SLOW with valgrind attached ..
01:43:24 <TrueBrain> glx: what are the dimensions of the image? :p
01:45:00 <TrueBrain> uploaded a new, slightly corrected, image of 005
01:45:15 <TrueBrain> removes most of the weird squares
01:45:17 <TrueBrain> now just a few are left ..
01:45:55 <TrueBrain> takes 19 sec to generate the image :p
01:51:02 <TrueBrain> now it is time for some correction algorithms
01:51:23 <TrueBrain> well, first I need to find my bed I guess
01:56:04 <TrueBrain> those weird squares are images that are wrongly converted
01:56:13 <TrueBrain> more exact: they contain 2 or 3 pixels with real data, the rest is garbage :p
02:04:32 <TrueBrain> hmm .. somewhere a conversion went wrong .. oh well
02:04:44 <TrueBrain> I just press: 'sh scripts/hmp.sh'
02:04:46 <TrueBrain> which takes 3 hours
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08:45:20 <Celestar> petern: so you consider using the cargoclasses as faulty?
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10:42:59 <Celestar> The German Constitutional Court is really the last bastion of reason in this leadership we have
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10:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause> when Mr. S. talks about "a network of security agencies" that raises horrible thoughts...
10:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> "include citizens into the network of information gathering"... hell... if that is not Stasi 2.0, what is?
10:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause> how much further can he go on with this crap?
10:57:03 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: until someone shoots him, imho
10:57:14 <Eddi|zuHause> they tried that already...
10:57:46 <Celestar> put them in a sack, grab a large club, and off you go
11:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> "nobody has the intention to spy on the lives of harmless citizens" ... in the same way as nobody had the intention to build a wall?
11:01:31 <Celestar> the question is, who defines "harmless"? You can easily define a certain ethnic group as "non-harmless". Rumor has it that it has been tried at some point in the past
11:04:32 <Celestar> he's the worst person in our government by far and that is saying something
11:05:01 <Celestar> I don't agree with some things the other ministers do, but they're are usually democratic people. S is not
11:12:20 <Celestar> TrueBrain: what resolution is that?
11:13:13 <TrueBrain> I still need to generate lower resolution files
11:13:17 <TrueBrain> makes the image a bit smaller :p
11:13:30 <TrueBrain> but 75 can't be divided by 2 ... :(
11:13:54 <Forked> you did like that weebls thing said .. and forgot Norway :\
11:14:02 <Forked> weebls song about kenya, even
11:14:26 <TrueBrain> SRTM, the main source for those images, go up to 60N and down to 60S
11:14:27 <Celestar> Forked: we need a map of that size then :)
11:14:32 <TrueBrain> so sorry, no Norway
11:15:19 <Celestar> stupid shuttle can't really get into high-inclination orbits
11:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause> luckily, i am lower than 60°N ;)
11:15:37 <Celestar> well actually it's not the shuttle's fault, but KSC's
11:15:50 <TrueBrain> also a problem of the amount of data
11:15:57 <Forked> I read KFC .. that would have been a tad funny :p
11:15:59 <TrueBrain> at 0N 1 pixel is 90m
11:15:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it's KFC's fault, definitely
11:16:02 <TrueBrain> at 60N 1 pixels is 55m
11:16:08 <TrueBrain> at 80N 1 pixels would be 13m
11:17:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a general problem of map making
11:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that a sphere is not a "flat" surface
11:17:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you cannot project the whole sphere on a sheet of paper
11:18:10 <TrueBrain> and that is currently the problem of this image
11:18:31 <TrueBrain> but that is the next step :)
11:18:46 <TrueBrain> first I wanted to fix the ugly colours ..
11:19:09 <TrueBrain> you can .. you just need to use your imagination to see the sphere ;)
11:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can't as soon as you want to project both poles, one of them diverges towards infinity
11:22:43 * dihedral waves hello to TrueBrain
11:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> either that, or you end up with pixels who are next to each other on the world, but are not next to each other on the map
11:23:39 <TrueBrain> we were afraid you were dead, but good to see you alive :)
11:23:54 <dihedral> i was kinda last week
11:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and all the sensible maps i have ever seen made the cut at 170°W
11:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (i.e. centered on 10°E)
11:30:17 <Celestar> my L3 cache debugger fails somehow :S
11:30:56 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and what good does that do?
11:30:59 <TrueBrain> Celestar: that sucks
11:31:41 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: it does not split Asia
11:32:30 <TrueBrain> or do like google-maps, just wrap the map from one side to the other and conitnue )
11:42:59 <TrueBrain> just checking if I am not going insnae :p
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11:45:46 <TrueBrain> lol, a lineair height scale is a VERY bad idea :)
11:48:08 <Eddi|zuHause> add more height levels :p
11:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> err... did it ever happen to you that the system started to shut down without any interaction of yours?
11:50:00 <dihedral> after some windows updates :-D
11:50:10 <dihedral> on any other system: no
11:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's weird... kde suddenly decided it wanted to shut down...
11:52:53 <DASPRiD> dihedral, windows updates? as in "new fascinating security holes, created out of stuffing out the old ones"?
11:52:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it's now sitting here with a window asking me to close it...
11:53:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't figure out a way to stop the shutdown...
11:54:13 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: 'shutdown -c' cancels a shutdown
11:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried that, it says there is no shutdown running...
11:54:57 <TrueBrain> so there isn't ;) It is only KDE fucking up
11:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i still can't figure out a way to stop it...
11:55:59 <blathijs> 12:49:11 < Eddi|zuHause> err... did it ever happen to you that the system started to shut down without any interaction of yours? <-- Our primary domain controller did that once, just after he did the scheduled updates at 12.00 PM (which is a wonderful time for your network to break down completely...)
11:57:10 <dihedral> blathijs, you run KDE on your pdc? :-P
11:57:44 <blathijs> dihedral: AFAIK "the system" does not imply kde :-p
11:57:58 <blathijs> nor linux, for that matter
11:58:33 <TrueBrain> bah, I can't get the colours right .. maybe I should not worry about it too much either :)
11:58:56 <dihedral> no - and i personally dislike KDE a lot :-P
12:01:16 <blathijs> dihedral: I usually do so as well, but atm it's the most workable environment here (alternatives are twm and pwm or something obscure like that), so I'm giving it a go for a while
12:01:36 <blathijs> I might end up complaining to our IT department, though :-)
12:01:51 <dihedral> gnome or fluxbox are my personal favs :-)
12:02:07 <Gekz> my personal favourite is the terminal
12:04:51 <TrueBrain> but with pretty colours :)
12:04:55 <blathijs> dihedral: Might be me, but isn't that an uneven list? Gnome is a desktop environment, while fluxbox is a window manager, right?
12:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i searched any log i could find... but there is no indication on what sent this shutdown request
12:25:47 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause has ghosts!!!
12:39:04 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: kill kde?
12:39:25 <SpComb> you probably need to send some magic dbus request or something
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12:58:50 <dihedral> blathijs: is not metacity the window manager?
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13:04:54 <blathijs> dihedral: the window manager of fluxbox you mean?
13:06:05 <blathijs> Ah, metacity is the default window manager of Gnome
13:06:19 <blathijs> Last time I used Gnome, it was window-manager agnostic IIRC :-)
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13:31:20 <petern> yeah, i don't eat enough dihedral
13:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you should try it, tastes like chicken
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14:04:04 <TrueBrain> damn, my correction algorithms still fail badly :(
14:04:11 <TrueBrain> that is, on small scale it looks perfect
14:04:18 <TrueBrain> but on world scale ... things are fuzzy :(
14:04:27 <Celestar> I need a desyncing cargodest game to test by cache debugger :P
14:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, can't help there :p
14:05:09 <Celestar> Ammler: we need a cargodest game :D
14:05:25 <Celestar> and try to make it desync :P
14:06:35 <TrueBrain> join with a modified client!
14:06:46 * Celestar pokes TrueBrain with a Windows Vista package
14:06:54 <Celestar> ok .. that was nasty
14:08:14 * Celestar wonders whether the "!=" operator on a std::map does what he thinks it does
14:09:30 <TrueBrain> haha, always a good thing to ask yourself :)
14:10:40 <blathijs> probably element-by-element copy I'd expect
14:11:11 <DJNekkid> that image wont load, atleast not in my firefox
14:11:39 <DJNekkid> _seems_ to work in IE
14:12:00 <TrueBrain> seen the size, that is no suprise
14:12:04 <TrueBrain> I would suggest using a real image viewer :)
14:12:15 <TrueBrain> (it requires about 200 MiB of RAM to load in any viewer)
14:12:21 <blathijs> My FF doesn't load it either...
14:13:02 <thingwath> is this one bigger than those before?
14:13:05 <TrueBrain> no FF would be able to load those images
14:14:13 <DJNekkid> what is that btw, some kind of world map in green and blue?
14:15:05 <Celestar> blathijs: I hope "!=" doesn't copy anything :P
14:15:13 <TrueBrain> I am really running out of clues how to compensate for latitude conversion ..
14:15:25 <thingwath> but eog is doing fine, strange
14:16:02 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: it's written with double t
14:17:40 * Rubidium slaps Celestar with a FS#2447 ;)
14:17:51 <Rubidium> and hello Celestar ;)
14:18:52 <SmatZ> Celestar: hello, current cargodest trunk compiles wtih all GCCs I tested (with patch so CC_* is known ;)
14:19:08 <Celestar> SmatZ: yeah, removed that crappy last commit anyway :P
14:20:17 <glx> and with colors it's way better than B/W
14:20:27 <TrueBrain> glx: not really .. the compenstation routine still fails
14:21:05 <Celestar> I've now totally fucked up my hg checkout :P
14:21:24 <TrueBrain> there is this big desync between what we are used to see when looking at such images, and what is reality
14:21:47 <Belugas> then, use the former :D
14:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> why is there a blue rectangle in the middle of north america?
14:22:12 <TrueBrain> no clue what algorithms they use for that
14:22:15 <TrueBrain> as I only know real math :)
14:22:23 <TrueBrain> and not make-look-good math
14:22:42 <TrueBrain> seen of the position, most likely classified
14:23:03 <TrueBrain> (it is in some lake)
14:23:26 <blathijs> Celestar: uh, woops :-)
14:23:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it is obviously in lake superior
14:24:21 <TrueBrain> even GoogleMaps blanks out on that position :p
14:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> it looks great as a base for a north america map, anyway
14:25:32 <TrueBrain> a whole cell of no-data, for no clear reason ..
14:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> world maps are insanely difficult to render, anyway
14:26:18 <TrueBrain> in Europe that happens more, but that is because the data was inconclusive .. for USA it is a combination with an other survey, so there should be no reason to have a whole cell blanking out like that ..
14:26:34 <TrueBrain> even using North America as base looks like crap :)
14:26:39 <TrueBrain> (compare it to your atlas, and you will notice)
14:28:16 * Celestar tries a clean checkup
14:28:26 <TrueBrain> Celestar: what did you do?
14:30:23 <Celestar> I'm trying to "revert" the last transaction
14:30:38 <TrueBrain> always a nasty thing with mercurial :)
14:31:10 <Rubidium> just commit the inverse of the commit you want to reverse
14:31:14 <Rubidium> instead of trying to remove the commit from the repository
14:31:21 <Celestar> or I'm doing it differently ..
14:31:21 <TrueBrain> easier is to just make a revert commit
14:31:29 <SpComb> someone's discussing C++ and copying...
14:31:37 <TrueBrain> (also you do end up with multiple heads, and that is a nasty thing too :p)
14:31:38 <Eddi|zuHause> can't you just change the tip?
14:31:46 <Celestar> TrueBrain: yeah, that much I learnt already
14:32:21 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, now we broke him compleletely...
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14:32:24 <SpComb> I profiled our C++ game's code the yesterday, there were, like, 12000000 calls to our Vector class's various constructors :)
14:32:51 <Eddi|zuHause> grammer not much sense this makes sentence
14:33:06 <Celestar> SpComb: can you be a bit more specific?
14:33:52 <SpComb> no, the project deadline is on wednesday
14:34:16 <TrueBrain> did we trade SpComb for babybot, or?
14:35:08 <TrueBrain> oh, I Thought it was a: fill in the blank
14:38:15 <SpComb> I guess we should just go through our code and replace "Vector" with "const Vector&" everywhere
14:42:44 <DJNekkid> i have a question regarding cargodest ... is there a way i can have the "going via unkown station" go away? ive tried the rn rr
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14:44:19 <Celestar> DJNekkid: you can reconnect the station in question
14:44:31 * SpComb is talking about a uni project, not OpenTTD
14:45:08 <Celestar> Why don't you say so right away? :S
14:45:21 * Celestar pokes SpComb with Windows Vista Premium box
14:45:40 <DJNekkid> well, its a matter of makeing an orderset (lets say we have a big train-station connected with trams), and the main station gets "no loading" on the trams orders
14:46:28 <Celestar> You lost me somewhere in between :P
14:46:35 <Celestar> what is an orderset?
14:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> station-walk the destination station to an area that does not accept passengers, then provide a service to remove the remaining passengers
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14:48:57 <DJNekkid> hmm, that is perhaps an option ...
14:50:27 <SpComb> Celestar: it was implied
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14:50:45 <SpComb> we decided to write our own 2D Vector class instead of using the complex type or whatever
14:51:17 <RvGaTe> how can i make sure that industry cannot be added or move during the game?
14:51:17 <TrueBrain> haha, nice thing to know: on Google Maps it looks like Greenland is about the same size as Africa. In reality, the latter is 14 (!) times as big ;)
14:51:19 <SpComb> and unsurprisingly, it appears to be our bottleneck, with like 20% of program execution time spent in the damn thing's constructor...
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14:51:48 <Celestar> so TownEffect or CargoClasses?
14:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: i fail to see the relevance
14:52:28 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: C++ code does a lot of copying
14:52:52 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: does there always have to be a relevance?
14:53:14 <Rubidium> SpComb: if you tell it: pass by value, then it has to copy it... so it's your own fault ;)
14:53:25 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but it's not helping in making sense of his words either
14:53:47 <SpComb> it's completely irrelevant to OpenTTD, execpt to discuss C++
14:54:16 <DJNekkid> Eddi|zuHause: that seems to make them dissappear, yes
14:54:30 <Celestar> void b(SomeClass a) { /* Code to handle a */ } void foo() { SomeClass a; b(a); return; }
14:54:33 <TrueBrain> I guess the != question of Celestar triggered it :)
14:54:43 <Celestar> this will cause the constructor of a to be called in the function call.
14:55:00 * Belugas helloes wave back at dih
14:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause> solution: pass by reference
14:55:10 <Belugas> hooo...long time ago...
14:55:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: the -18, is that Celsius?
14:55:53 <Celestar> void b(SomeClass& a)
14:55:59 <Celestar> it's not that much code to change :P
14:56:08 <TrueBrain> okay, GoogleMaps scales in the y-axis only, while I now try to scale in the x-axis .. ghehe :)
14:56:44 <Celestar> petern: we need to discuss that TownEffect vs CargoClass thing at some point
14:56:57 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, yes, it was in Celsius
14:57:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i feel sick today... but not enough to warrant going through the trouble of seeing a doctor...
14:57:07 <Belugas> now, it's "warmer", around -10
14:57:39 <Celestar> You cannot simplify this anymore
14:57:41 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, then you're not sick, you're undisposed (if ever that word exists)
14:57:48 <petern> is there an s60 rdp client?
14:57:56 <petern> Celestar, cargoclass is fine there, probably
14:58:06 <TrueBrain> 1 / ln(tan(x) + sec(x))
14:58:08 <Eddi|zuHause> 1=ln(e), ln(e)/ln(x) = log_x(e)
14:58:11 <petern> i've installed s60putty
14:58:15 <TrueBrain> I need that kind of simplicated :p
14:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if that helps you in any way :p
14:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i think you are beyond hope there
14:59:12 <TrueBrain> I was afraid so too :p
14:59:40 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you get that kind of a weird formula?
15:00:09 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: nice "simplification" :P
15:00:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it does have less operations :p
15:01:44 <Celestar> TrueBrain: why do you need it simplified?
15:01:59 <Celestar> the FPU will be happy with it
15:03:02 <Celestar> isn't ln(tan(x) + sec(x)) something with the tanh ?
15:03:07 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: not the best projection i have seen
15:03:24 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: have you seen google maps? :p
15:03:39 <TrueBrain> Celestar: arctanh, yes
15:03:50 <Celestar> TrueBrain: so there is your simplification? (=
15:03:53 <TrueBrain> but the page tells you that :p
15:04:00 <Celestar> I haven't looked at it (=
15:04:14 <Celestar> if the page says so, why are you asking in the first place :P
15:04:33 <SpComb> 16:38:15 < SpComb> I guess we should just go through our code and replace "Vector" with "const Vector&" everywhere
15:04:39 <TrueBrain> but 1 / arctanh(sin(x))
15:04:43 <TrueBrain> I was hoping it was something simple :p
15:04:52 <TrueBrain> anyway .. arctanh is not in libm :(
15:05:10 <Celestar> is sec part of libm?
15:06:08 <Eddi|zuHause> arctanh is a "simple" ln-expression
15:06:20 <Celestar> 1/2 ln (1+x/1-x) or so
15:06:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and sec = 1/cos ;)
15:06:51 <TrueBrain> neither is 'ln' and 'sec' ...
15:07:07 <TrueBrain> (it is in the header, not in the library :s)
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15:07:49 <petern> Celestar: that's a link farm with no real relevence to the subject
15:08:02 <Celestar> petern: yeah, sorry.
15:08:02 <TrueBrain> ah, no, it is not in the header
15:08:10 <TrueBrain> the compiler was just not mentioning that warning ..
15:10:47 <TrueBrain> grr 'log' is 'ln' .. why do people always mix that :(
15:10:57 <Celestar> why do I get asserts when trying to load an openttdcoop savegame in trunk?
15:12:36 <petern> if it's an early one it may be due to no grf list
15:15:35 <Celestar> especially I get pbs asserts O_o
15:19:27 <Rubidium> might be one of the savegame mistakes between 0.6 and current trunk
15:19:50 <SpComb> ah well, it seems gcc is indeed smart enough to optimize all the Vector operations
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15:21:02 <SpComb> based on this gprof stuff, 83.1% of execution time was spent generating the terrain, and, uh, 0.0% running the mainloop
15:21:13 <Celestar> based on the clock, I have to go
15:21:32 <SpComb> I guess that means that if the game still felt "laggy", it's because of the "physicsal" Graphics-drawing being slow?
15:25:39 <TrueBrain> Okay, a Sinusoidal projection it will be for now .. the others just stink
15:25:45 <TrueBrain> now I am long overdue to do some shopping
15:28:20 <SpComb> although I guess the real reason is that it's not profiling time spent inside of ClanLib
15:42:04 <petern> hmm, so, openttd s60 port?
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15:54:01 <Belugas> yeah.... snaw is falling down down down down down
15:54:19 <Belugas> anything to boost my enthusiam
15:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> # Oh Tannenbaum, oh Tannenbaum
15:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> # Wie grün sind deine Blätter
15:55:30 <petern> hmm, this is quite slow :p
16:01:58 <TrueBrain> petern: what is the use porting it to such OSes? :)
16:02:45 <TrueBrain> "New version of FireFox has 'Porno' button" <- cool, when I hit it, it opens Porn for me? Now that is a useful feature :)
16:03:24 <Belugas> or it sends an email to Purno, since it was a typo...
16:03:58 <Belugas> i guess the port is because the gentleman has such a phone?
16:09:56 <petern> TrueBrain, well... it can be played on a phone :p
16:21:11 <Belugas> "Don't You fucking Know What You Are?"
16:22:36 <benjamingoodger> the porn button just disables logging
16:22:46 <benjamingoodger> it's a good example of firefox playing catch-up
16:23:26 * Sacro has plugins for such features alread
16:24:25 * benjamingoodger has a copy of safari that's had such a feature since the time of henry VIII
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16:39:43 <petern> i guess it's converted the format
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16:57:53 <TrueBrain> whoho, I finally produces a relative correct image of what I want :)
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16:59:07 <Belugas> Foxtrot? Samba? Chacha?
16:59:23 <TrueBrain> tomorrow I can do that again :)
16:59:27 <TrueBrain> makes me happy already :)
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17:02:14 <TrueBrain> (sorry about the size, I still need to downside it to 16 colour palette :))
17:03:03 <Belugas> you should have land below sea level!!
17:04:03 <TrueBrain> Belugas: there is :) Just it is painted green :p
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17:06:12 <TrueBrain> time to make some food now :)
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17:16:15 <Belugas> grrrr... can't recall how i did it that svn was able to find the ssl tunnel on my old machine
17:16:22 * Belugas starts digging up the corpse
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17:33:18 <Yorick> m, I don't remember Ameland having a giant circle on the western shore...
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17:40:39 <glx> Belugas: documents and settings\<user>\application data\subversion\config
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18:00:25 <petern> hmm, gps in this phone...
18:00:32 <petern> average speed home, 18.4 km/h
18:03:25 <Belugas> must need something else
18:03:29 <Belugas> will wait to get home
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18:10:52 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that image looks more like the former province "Holland"; you seem to be missing quite a bit to the east
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18:20:45 <seba-> in YAPF how do you highlight the path?
18:21:06 <seba-> that 'show reserved tracks'
18:22:34 <seba-> do i need to press something or how do i see it?
18:22:38 <frosch123> seba-: if you mean yapp :p go to "advanced settings" and then - I suppose - "interface"
18:22:55 <seba-> but i don't see what happens
18:23:23 <glx> are you using PBS signals?
18:23:33 <frosch123> do you use normal rail
18:23:47 <frosch123> or something weird like monorail, maglev, or some newgrf?
18:24:51 <frosch123> well, then you have to look a little closer, as it might hide in the shadows
18:25:02 <glx> it's quite impossible to see reservation on maglev
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18:26:57 <seba-> why does it so suck on maglev
18:27:25 <seba-> hm i've set to path_backoff_interval = 10 works better
18:27:30 <seba-> but maglev is the future
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18:32:42 <frosch123> hehe, yes, you can only see the reserved maglev track if you build two tracks next to each other and compare them
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18:45:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14665 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:45:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-12-09 18:44:40
18:45:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 301 fixed by khaloofah (301)
18:45:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: esperanto - 64 fixed, 2 changed by alekcxjo (66)
18:45:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hebrew - 430 fixed by moshe (430)
18:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 10 changed by alyr (9), oklmernok (1)
18:45:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 49 fixed, 4 changed by fanioz (40), anansboga (13)
19:01:06 <Belugas> there is svn up on this machine!
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19:22:23 <Belugas> Jingle hell Jingle hell
19:22:51 <Belugas> j'en ai eu pis j'en veux pus
19:23:04 <Belugas> pis fourre toi les dans l'cul
19:23:28 <benjamingoodger> Belugas: will you please courier me some of your snow?
19:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> poor benjamingoodger has not seen snow his entire life
19:25:53 <benjamingoodger> there was a tiny, tiny amount in 2005
19:26:09 <benjamingoodger> also, I went to finland for christmas 2007
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19:27:29 <Belugas> it's like a beach by the ocean
19:27:42 <Belugas> if you're born near it, you would not really enjoy it
19:28:04 <Belugas> but if you're on a country like ours, you'll crave for it
19:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause> you only want what you don't have
19:28:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the nature of things
19:28:51 <benjamingoodger> you're right about the beaches
19:30:02 <benjamingoodger> the nearest beach is 7750 metres away
19:30:31 <benjamingoodger> due directly west is a surfing beach, 29 km
19:30:58 <benjamingoodger> and I hate beaches
19:32:17 <Belugas> i love them soooo much... I even have a big picture of one on one of my walls at home
19:32:29 <Belugas> but...as a diver, i thnk it's quite understandable ;)
19:32:34 <benjamingoodger> well, you're welcome to come and use my beach ¬.¬
19:33:15 <benjamingoodger> which of them would you like? the one covered with dog excretia, the one composed of pebbles, or the one with annoying american surfers crammed into it?
19:35:26 <TrueBrain> [19:11] <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that image looks more like the former province "Holland"; you seem to be missing quite a bit to the east <- I entered some random coordinates :p
19:35:46 <TrueBrain> it should show .. 51N - 54N and 3.26E - 6.26E
19:36:04 <Belugas> you know, as long as the access to the water is possible, i would not mind at all. I even dive under ice... so ...
19:36:25 <benjamingoodger> well, there's no ice around here
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19:53:49 <TrueBrain> 2 years ago I wrote a 10 line comment to a single line
19:53:56 <TrueBrain> I have absolutely no clue what so ever what I tried to explain there
19:55:50 <frosch123> as long as the line of code is obvious :)
19:58:08 <TrueBrain> I think it is something very clever
19:58:22 <benjamingoodger> what is the line?
19:58:30 <frosch123> yup, you was quite clever back then :p
20:01:19 <TrueBrain> scale = closestPowerOfTwo(scale);
20:01:19 <TrueBrain> small = (large + scale - 1) / scale;
20:01:19 <TrueBrain> large = small * scale;
20:01:23 <TrueBrain> it is about those 3 lines
20:01:54 <Moshe-> debug em with break points =)
20:02:04 <TrueBrain> the first functions finds the biggest power of two which fits inside the value
20:02:35 <TrueBrain> I think you missed a part of the conversation, but good for you
20:04:29 <TrueBrain> scale = large / small; btw
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20:05:57 <TrueBrain> oh, who cares, it works ... :p
20:06:37 <frosch123> [21:06] <TrueBrain> scale = large / small; btw <- before the other stuff?
20:07:53 <Moshe-> why is the hebrew font SO small?
20:08:06 <Moshe-> i cant even read what its says lol
20:08:19 <yorick> me stumbled upon youtube christians that try to say atheism is not true, but fail :)
20:08:32 <Moshe-> TrueBrain how do you make it bigger?
20:12:40 <Moshe-> wierd i dont have that file..
20:12:55 <TrueBrain> Use The Fucking Search Luke
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20:16:33 <Wolf01> TrueBrain "search the lucky fuck Luke!"
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20:18:35 <TrueBrain> what a warm welcome :)
20:19:00 <Nite_Owl> Really - I am most flattered
20:19:27 <Nite_Owl> then again timing is everything
20:21:44 <Nite_Owl> I guess I just caught you all in a welcoming mood at that moment
20:22:43 <TrueBrain> yeah .. when you try it again, you most likely fail :p
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21:19:00 <TrueBrain> finally my correction and prediction algorithms work as I want them to :)
21:19:47 * benjamingoodger wonders if anyone has considered writing a book on openttd
21:20:04 <benjamingoodger> like a prima guide, but... not prima...
21:22:33 <TrueBrain> lol .. like that is possible for OpenTTD :p
21:22:59 <benjamingoodger> yes, I was thinking that
21:25:15 <Sacro> 21:24 < ushdf> have they ported khtml or webkit to linux
21:25:44 <Rubidium> no, they have been to lazy to port it to linux
21:26:12 <TrueBrain> haha :) Now that is a stupid question :)
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21:29:15 <benjamingoodger> Sacro: what room was that in?
21:29:43 <Sacro> benjamingoodger: #archlinux on freenode
21:29:53 * benjamingoodger buries face in hands
21:30:12 * benjamingoodger smacks head on desk
21:30:41 <TrueBrain> does freenode still exists?
21:30:49 <benjamingoodger> *rearranges hair* so no books on openttd planned then
21:32:42 <Sacro> hmm, this opengl is confusing me
21:32:55 <Sacro> when I resize the window, ones that use height/width stay the same
21:33:31 <Sacro> but then ones that use glVertex2f(100,100) get bigger/smaller
21:35:07 <Sacro> Gl.glOrtho(0, widthIn, 0, heightIn, -1.0f, 1.0f);
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21:58:26 <Belugas> this is the end of the DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY
22:00:45 <benjamingoodger> it's the end of the world as we know it
22:01:27 <benjamingoodger> it's the end of the world as we know it...
22:01:34 <benjamingoodger> it's the end of the world as we know it!
22:01:38 <benjamingoodger> and I feel fine.
22:06:43 <TrueBrain> bah, it annoys me when you have a melody in your head, and can't find the music ..
22:07:56 <TrueBrain> lol, found it .. it turns out to be a song a friend of mine wrote .. clearly a catchy tune :p
22:22:54 <juval> Can you still play this game online?
22:24:00 <TrueBrain> How tempting to say: no, we removed that feature; of course you can.
22:24:27 <juval> haha ok i would like to but i don't know how really
22:32:28 <RvGaTe> juval, simple really... install it, run it.. go to multiplayer, find a server, join it.. start playing :)
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22:38:11 <juval> yes but i cant fins and servers? nothing comes up does this mean that there is no games running at the moment
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22:40:04 <ccfreak2k> It probably means the game listing server can't be reached.
22:40:33 <juval> haha ok and is there a way to come around this?
22:47:01 <glx> "connection" drop down is set to "internet" ?
22:53:50 <juval> uhmm? where do i set this?
22:54:08 <glx> it's on top of the multiplayer window
22:54:57 <juval> aha ok yes it was internet lol
22:55:30 <juval> are there any other things i do outside the game to make it work?
22:55:32 <glx> so something drops UDP packets between you and master server
22:56:34 <Eddi|zuHause> is "lol" now an interpunctation mark?
22:57:59 <lolman> No, it's half a name :)
22:58:28 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, so he just mistabbed
22:58:41 <Eddi|zuHause> then he shall be forgiven
22:58:56 <benjamingoodger> "innit" is an acceptable interpunctuation in some parts of england, also
22:59:04 <lolman> Eddi|zuHause, well, that was no mistab, unfortunately
22:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i was being ironic...
22:59:19 <benjamingoodger> this is committed by people known as "scum"
22:59:40 <benjamingoodger> I mean innit, not lol
22:59:44 <lolman> benjamingoodger, also known as "chavs"?
22:59:53 <benjamingoodger> people who say lol intermittently are merely annoying
23:00:18 <benjamingoodger> I have some friends who use only commas and "lol"
23:00:24 <Brianetta> I probably shouldn't post to the forum when I'm in a shitty mood.
23:00:27 <benjamingoodger> and manage to form perfectly coherent sentences
23:00:38 <lolman> Brianetta, yeah, not a good move, really :-\
23:00:39 <benjamingoodger> Brianetta: oh, no, go on... it'll be funny to read
23:00:48 <Brianetta> I found myself back-spacing "you're all idiots."
23:01:56 <lolman> Brianetta, it's good to vent, sometimes...somewhere noone else can see
23:04:11 <Brianetta> Meh. I stand by everything I said.
23:05:08 <Brianetta> This one's actually amusing to me, after I thought it was just needlessly sarcastic.
23:05:34 <Brianetta> Perhaps there was a need for sarcasm.
23:06:01 <lolman> Sarcasm is often a good way of making people feel stupid ;)
23:06:02 <Brianetta> The Cargodest project has been irritating me for ages.
23:06:35 <Brianetta> So, my little rant at having to set every single bleeding station up with its own order might be justified.
23:06:48 <Brianetta> Especially when some idiot suggests that it's not an issue because you can clone orders.
23:07:35 <Brianetta> <--- Is that the point? .
23:07:35 * lolman curses himself for not removing first word of that sentence
23:07:40 <Brianetta> No it's over there to the right.
23:15:19 <welshdragon> Brianetta, i like your constructive sarcasm
23:15:30 <welshdragon> (in that link posted earlier)
23:18:03 <Brianetta> I think DaleStan inspires me.
23:27:53 <lolman> What, Brianetta or the fact he's inspired by DaleStan?
23:28:41 <DaleStan> But probably more the latter than the former.
23:29:37 <Brianetta> DaleStan: There are times when I wholly disagree with the content of your posts, but find them so well put that I choose not to care. (:
23:30:17 <TrueBrain> Glad you know yourself well enough to establish that fact ;)
23:32:00 <lolman> Hmm, *wonders how much stuff he'll need for a 5 day trip away*
23:33:00 <Nite_Owl> The DaleStan quote "an apostrophe does not mean 'look out here comes an s'" made me double over with laughter
23:34:23 <Brianetta> It's making me snigger now
23:40:33 <SpComb> What's the difference between a duck?
23:40:50 <TrueBrain> One of his legs is of equal length
23:42:10 <glx> hmm I know this one in french
23:45:30 <TrueBrain> lovely Apple with their iPhone .. a webapp inside Safire can use the orientation change ... a webapp as standalone app can't
23:46:22 <Moshe> wow this channel is really talk active
23:50:55 <Moshe> not really anymore huh?
23:51:02 <Moshe> i gotta find someone to talk to
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