IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2008-11-27
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01:27:17 <white_gecko> If I want do add a port to the order of a ship i get an error
01:27:46 <Patrick> does the error tell you it is too far from a buoy?
01:27:52 <Patrick> the solution is to build more buoys
01:29:10 <white_gecko> is it a hanga in german ?
01:29:50 <white_gecko> hm it tells mit it is to far from the destination
01:30:07 <Patrick> yes, set some waypoints in the middle on a boje
01:30:23 <Patrick> hey, is it true that singing deutschland uber alles is illegal?
01:33:24 <white_gecko> i have heared it is not ilegal, but it is not part of the german anthem anymore
01:33:51 <white_gecko> but it still belongs to the song of fallersleben and that is an historical song
01:35:54 <white_gecko> what is about the time in the orders
01:37:50 <white_gecko> can i set times less then one day?
01:40:10 <Patrick> there's a patch option
01:40:15 <Patrick> use ticks instead of days
01:40:19 <Patrick> and ticks are shorter
01:40:37 <white_gecko> so i need this pathc
01:41:05 <white_gecko> but why are days the default unit? days are to long
01:41:19 <SmatZ> because people count in days
01:41:22 <white_gecko> hm ok no the aren't
01:41:37 <SmatZ> and don't know anything about ticks
01:41:43 <SmatZ> like, how many ticks are there in day
01:41:51 <white_gecko> i didn't think yout that days are about two seconds in real lief
01:42:04 <white_gecko> how may ticks are?
01:42:08 <SmatZ> do you know how many ticks == 1 day in OTTD?
01:42:49 <SmatZ> so you would be confused too :)
01:43:25 <white_gecko> and how does the auto thing work?
01:43:33 <SmatZ> when you use timetable autofill, the value is filled in tick-exact time
01:43:47 <SmatZ> sorry I can't explain all about timetables :-x
01:43:58 <SmatZ> maybe there is something about it at wiki.openttd.org
01:44:00 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, is that a bug in the original game?
01:44:31 <white_gecko> but does the auto thing try to optimize the timetable for the best profit?
01:45:11 <SmatZ> petern: have I broken something? :-x
01:45:40 <SmatZ> white_gecko: autofill fills the timetable according to the time needed in the autofill run
01:47:09 <SmatZ> ah... that "inflation stops after 140 years" (or so) was Rubidium's commit :)
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01:49:27 <SmatZ> petern: I don't know what you are talking about
01:49:58 <petern> 23:36 < Eddi|zuHause> well, higher difficulty actually reduces this spread ;)
01:49:58 <petern> 23:36 < Eddi|zuHause> the (geometric) difference between 4% and 3% is less than between 2% and 1%
01:50:19 <petern> so a low interest is in fact harder
01:50:21 <white_gecko> SmatZ: and what does this mean?
01:51:11 <SmatZ> petern: interesting :) usually you don't have any loan after <10 years though :)
01:51:26 <petern> SmatZ, nothing to do with loan
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02:23:41 <fjb> Patrick: It is not illegal. It is just not part of the anthem. The anthem is the third verse of the Deutschlandlied.
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02:52:02 <TMS> holy crap, people actually want to play on my site's servers. And after adding the server to the OTTD public server list (with my site's link in it) I'm getting a good 15% more hits per hour. o.o
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03:10:25 <TMS> Anyone here experienced with openttdlib?
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07:54:34 <Celestar> ls: .: Cannot allocate memory
07:56:23 <Celestar> something is _very_ broken
07:57:11 <Celestar> # free -m total used free shared buffers cached
07:57:11 <Celestar> Mem: 3903 3717 185 0 0 1255
07:57:11 <Celestar> -/+ buffers/cache: 2462 1441
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09:31:17 * Celestar gets a 3-month extension for his PhD
09:33:54 <Rubidium> so you've got 3 months free for finishing cargodest and fixing some bugs?
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09:43:43 <Celestar> Rubidium: about that :D
09:45:38 <Celestar> fonso: yeah, I messed up crossloading of the latest trunk games.
09:45:57 <fonso> This isn't a trunk game
09:46:10 <fonso> It's a cargodest game from before the latest merge
09:46:42 <Rubidium> yes.. and the merge added some trunk savegame conversion which makes the cargodest savegames worthless too
09:46:55 <Celestar> I really have to repair that tomorrow :P
10:11:22 <dihedral> on the website - would it be possible to have a download page that lists all possible downloads? (e.g. cargodest, stable, nichtly, etc.)
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10:11:42 <Rubidium> dihedral: there is one
10:12:49 <dihedral> it's not /download (in comparison to /download-stable)
10:13:01 <dihedral> and there is no direct link "downloads"
10:18:43 <petern> hmm, 22" 1680x1050 with DVI-D for £99...
10:20:28 <Rubidium> that's not that expensive I reckon, but what's the catch?
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10:29:40 <petern> i'm using an ancient 15" lcd
10:29:52 <petern> with 120V - 100H viewing angles
10:29:57 <petern> i doubt a TN will be worse...
10:30:15 <petern> heh, response time, 30ms
10:30:42 <Rubidium> that's just quick enough for OpenTTD
10:31:16 <Rubidium> and 3? ms too slow for TTDP ;)
10:32:28 <petern> although possibly it might be, as i don't see any 'dithering' effects on this
10:32:47 <petern> (probably it just does nearest approximation instead)
10:46:58 <FauxFaux> It's probably not that bad, so long as you don't care about the viewing angle too much.
10:47:13 <FauxFaux> Or the colours, or the tearing.
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11:08:24 <petern> FauxFaux, it's a monitor... how often do you need to view your monitor from the side?
11:09:15 <petern> also it's mainly used for programming, heh
11:09:43 * Celestar hands petern a single-line monitor :P
11:14:17 <petern> as i said, viewing angle on these is 120/100
11:14:22 <petern> which is pretty abmissal
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11:54:15 <welshdragon> Fantasya, do you know what a raildriver is?
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11:56:22 <welshdragon> and i'm trying to fix the script so it worrks
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12:57:50 <Celestar> since the day I have transferred responsibility for our main file server to our successors, not ONE SINGLE updated has been applied
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13:27:29 <Celestar> heh .. finally. Italy gets a proper airline
13:31:22 <fjb> Now they only need a proper president.
13:33:55 <Celestar> who needs a proper president?
13:34:07 <Celestar> a proper airline is more important :P
13:34:29 <Celestar> it's much nicer to take photos of airlines than of presidents
13:34:44 <Brianetta> seen on airliner, seen 'em all
13:34:53 <Brianetta> It's not like they make them to stand out
13:35:25 <Brianetta> Now, if they looked like the futuristic aircraft in TTD...
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14:44:07 * Celestar shakes his head in disbelief
14:49:19 <Belugas> [08:34] <@Celestar> it's much nicer to take photos of airlines than of presidents <--- lines in the air?? Or airlineRs maybe ?
14:52:44 * Celestar bangs head repeatedly against a wall.
14:53:19 <Belugas> ho... looks like fun!
14:53:25 <Celestar> $BOSS just wrote an e-mail. Basically saying "Here's an invitation for a conference which I've had for some weeks. I somehow forgot to forward it to you, but please send an abstract. Slight problem: Deadline is tomorrow"
14:54:01 <Belugas> it is uncommun in your world? that's my daily ration!
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15:12:57 <Celestar> Belugas: deadline _tomorrow_ is uncommon.-
15:13:04 <Celestar> Belugas: usually I have like 48 hours
15:13:44 <Rubidium> Celestar: hop on a plane to the far west
15:14:00 <Belugas> Celestar, you ARE a lucky man
15:15:26 <Celestar> Belugas: I usually have 48 hours for tasks that would take about 120 hours ...
15:15:35 <Celestar> 24 hours is a new challenge
15:15:42 * Celestar goes copypasting from old abstracts/papers
15:22:34 <Celestar> on Jan 23, I wanna to go Hamburg, going back the 25th.
15:23:03 <Celestar> Train 2nd class: 420 EUR, Train 1st Class 290 EUR, Flight: 205 EUR
15:23:40 <thingwath> first class cheaper?
15:25:34 <petern> i can't get ms ts to see my openssl cert
15:27:35 <Celestar> so what would the reason be for going 2nd class?
15:29:43 * Belugas sends glasses to petern's ms ts
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15:32:03 <petern> i have a fresh mug of tea
15:36:44 <Celestar> thingwath: yet the flight is cheaper. and the train is slow .
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15:40:41 <thingwath> 5.5 hours isn't slow :-)
15:43:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it is, when the flight only takes half the time ;)
15:44:19 <Ammler> don't forget the check-in times
15:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it's still faster
15:44:46 <Celestar> flight time is 65 minutes
15:45:17 <thingwath> to Hamburg from where?
15:45:28 <Eddi|zuHause> from München, obviously ;)
15:46:29 <Celestar> it's about 800 Rail-km.
15:46:38 <thingwath> And you call that slow :-)
15:46:41 <Celestar> about 410 of which are high-speed track. (280-300km/h)
15:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it should be faster than to berlin ;)
15:47:11 <Celestar> thingwath: it's an average of 145km/h. Not THAT great for a train that has a Vmax of 330km/h
15:47:17 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: it's the same time.
15:47:18 <thingwath> I travel 5.5 hours home, and it's just 300 rail kilometers :-D
15:47:25 <Celestar> 5.5 to Berline, 5.5 to Hamburg
15:47:33 <Celestar> Berlin being about 580 rail km.
15:47:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: not when you don't have any ICE-T to use ;)
15:48:19 <Celestar> one hour Munich-Nuremburg (180km), one hour Leipzig-Berlin (170km). 3.5 hours Nuremburg-Leipzig (220km).
15:48:49 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: quite some are in-service agaim.
15:48:55 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I've seen two yesterday.
15:49:00 <Celestar> with passengers in them :P
15:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it gets about time they finish that new track via erfurt
15:51:14 <Eddi|zuHause> should cut those 3.5h to something like 2h
15:51:22 <Celestar> 1:39 (theoretically)
15:51:38 <Celestar> one hour Nuremburg-Erfurt. 39 minutes Erfurt-Leipzig.
15:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well, considering that they started 15 years ago ;)
15:51:50 <Celestar> then about 25 minutes layover in Leipzig for no apparent reason.
15:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still wondering whether they'll actually divert any ICE via Halle instead of Leipzig
15:52:44 <Celestar> I'm wondering about having Erfurt-Berlin direct trains (via Halle)
15:53:15 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: considering that Halle-Bitterfeld is slow as hell ...
15:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm assuming they'll route most freight trains through Halle
15:53:43 <thingwath> by slow as hell you mean...? :-)
15:53:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and they wanted to build a new shunting yard on the area of the old freight station
15:54:07 <Celestar> thingwath: 17 minutes
15:54:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: Halle-Dessau was once the fastest track in eastern germany ;)
15:54:32 <Eddi|zuHause> because it was a test track for higher speed carriages
15:54:52 <Celestar> thingwath: it's about 25km of basically straight and level track
15:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> they did already put in high speed switches in bitterfeld station
15:55:37 <Celestar> the fastest in Germany.
15:55:46 <Celestar> 230km/h on the splitting track.
15:56:00 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that, yes...
15:56:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and then continuing with a 160km/h track :p
15:56:29 <Celestar> I think they have 8 motors for the main switch ...
15:56:35 <thingwath> 160 km/h is max speed here, and only on few tracks... :-)
15:56:44 <Celestar> thingwath: where are you? Albania?
15:57:31 <Celestar> the AGV is currently in CZ for test runs
15:58:16 <Celestar> thingwath: FAST is Frankfurt-Airport to Siegburg
15:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd assume the only track viable for high speed travels in czechia is the international route Dresden-Prag-Wien...
15:59:24 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: a 300km/h track from Dresden to Prag is under consideration apparently
15:59:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, considering that the track was practically destroyed during the 2002 flood...
16:00:32 <thingwath> our government will spend billions for overpriced highways, but never on high speed rail, it's considered just a sci-fi, here (even though studies show it wouldn't be more expensive than the highways)
16:00:46 <thingwath> practically destroyed? :-)
16:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well... imagine a river with a century-flood... then imagine a railway track along that river...
16:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> guess what happens...
16:02:37 <thingwath> the track was quite OK, after the flood
16:04:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the track was completely closed for half a year
16:04:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and it was the top priority to reopen that track, ignoring most of the other infrastructure that was destroyed back then
16:05:04 <thingwath> it's built on solid rock :-)
16:08:31 <thingwath> At least czech part wasn't closed for very long (and there is second track on the other bank)
16:10:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i assume the damages got bigger the closer you get to Dresden
16:11:33 <thingwath> quite possible, from Děčín to Bad Schandau (and Dresden) it's very narrow valley and track is very close to water
16:16:52 <thingwath> never mind, even 100 km/h would be large upgrade on routes I use most frequently :-D
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18:40:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14638 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Fix [FS#2430]: don't restore fast-forward when SaveFileDone() callback happens after we returned to the menu
18:43:28 <thingwath> + next 115 combinations.
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18:46:13 <Wolf01> I always start madness...
18:47:14 <Wolf01> gah... I have some ideas to code and some patches to fix
18:47:38 <Wolf01> and some other patches to sync
18:47:50 <Wolf01> and I don't want to do it
18:49:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14639 /trunk/src/lang/ (17 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:49:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-11-27 18:48:40
18:49:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 4 fixed by tucalipe (4)
18:49:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1)
18:49:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed, 7 changed by Excel20 (8)
18:49:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 4 fixed by UltimateSephiroth (1), jpx_ (3)
18:49:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 fixed by glx (1)
18:50:18 <glx> <@DorpsGek> welsh - 2 fixed by welshdragon (2)
18:51:16 <welshdragon> when was that glx?
18:52:04 <glx> the only place to get full translators commits
19:02:00 <ccfreak2k> I might disconnect and rejoin several times in the next few minutes.
19:02:09 <ccfreak2k> Preferrably it should only happen once, but I might fuck up.
19:02:38 <welshdragon> ccfreak2k remove any autojoins :)
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19:18:31 <appe> you know the map i was working on?
19:18:42 <appe> i had like 80 trains on a single line with signals
19:18:52 <appe> i accidently changed all the tracks to tracks without signals
19:19:16 <welshdragon> hmm, can scenarios be upgraded from 0.6.x to nightly?
19:20:54 <SmatZ> all (well, most of) OTTD savegames should be able to load in newer versions
19:21:02 <SmatZ> but there is not easy way back
19:22:12 <ccfreak2k> Usually you can just load them in the nightly, unless some big change to save files has been made.
19:22:35 <welshdragon> it could be tib's patch pack
19:24:28 * ccfreak2k contributed to the patch pack.
19:26:06 <welshdragon> the savegame i'm trying works in 14468, but not in 14000
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20:07:03 <yorick> since the gui rewrite, the current_selected of the client list gets initialized to 0 instead of 255 ;)
20:07:11 <yorick> which means the first client is always selected
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22:19:10 <benjamingoodger> that was the only thing anyone's said for 130 minutes
22:19:17 <benjamingoodger> where's everyone gone?
22:21:59 <dihedral> you read my post i take it
22:22:02 <TMS> I suppose you've been waiting for me...
22:22:12 <dihedral> no - i am always online :-P
22:22:36 <benjamingoodger> life! at last
22:22:53 <TMS> or perhaps I am failing it?
22:23:31 <dihedral> where are you trying to set it up?
22:23:42 <TMS> simulationnation.com/ottd/example.php
22:23:53 <welshdragon> benjamingoodger, you missed yorick then
22:24:08 <welshdragon> he spoke at 20:07
22:24:27 <benjamingoodger> yes, that was 130 minutes before 22:17
22:25:03 <TMS> "however, if you have setup openttd with bind_ip, openttd will only listen to connections to that ip!" <-- Were you referring to openttd in the PHP code or openttd.cfg?
22:25:08 <TMS> this was in your forum post
22:25:45 <dihedral> network section as a bind_ip (or along those lines at least)
22:26:30 <dihedral> the timeout is too low
22:26:31 <TMS> Should I delete that line?
22:26:53 <dihedral> set it to 5 seconds for now
22:27:06 <dihedral> or dont change the timeout at first
22:28:18 <TMS> how do I set the timeout in the code again?
22:28:24 <dihedral> TMS: can you post the contents of that example.php to paste.openttd.org?
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22:29:13 <benjamingoodger> welshdragon: have you finished hmming yet?
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22:29:32 <welshdragon> benjamingoodger, never!
22:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause> not everybody has enough time to waste to watch this channel 24/7
22:31:32 <dihedral> TMS: is it the same host?
22:31:38 <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: I find that sentence to be incredibly offensive
22:31:42 <dihedral> i.e. the php script and the openttd server
22:31:45 <benjamingoodger> I don't think you even realised what you said
22:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i did mean that to be offensive.
22:33:46 <dihedral> please check the firewall for outgoing connections on that machine
22:33:57 <dihedral> also check the OpenTTD server's firewall
22:34:06 <dihedral> (for incoming connections this time)
22:34:11 <dihedral> pay attention to the udp ports
22:34:33 <TMS> I was playing with people in Romania and Russia on this server for 5 hours without interruption earlier today...
22:34:43 <TMS> and the firewall on the outgoing machine?
22:34:48 <TMS> It's a server hosted by GoDaddy...
22:35:22 <dihedral> try to query the host "openttd.dihedral.de" or "ps.openttdcoop.org"
22:35:37 <dihedral> incoming connection on the opentt server is probably fine
22:36:36 <dihedral> but outgoing (from the webserver)
22:37:03 <dihedral> or anything else between the openttd server and the web server is blocking the udp request
22:37:23 <TMS> connection timed out #0 /home/content/t/h/e/theswordsman/html/ottdlib/includes/OpenTTDLib.php(1589): OpenTTDLib->checkTimeout() #1 /home/content/t/h/e/theswordsman/html/ottdlib/includes/OpenTTDLib.php(1632): OpenTTDLib->waitForServerResponse() #2 /home/content/t/h/e/theswordsman/html/ottdlib/example.php(16): OpenTTDLib->queryServer('ps.openttdcoop....', 3979, 1) #3 {main}
22:38:27 <TMS> dihedral: how do I remedy *that* kind of error?
22:38:58 <dihedral> the error is not the script
22:39:27 <dihedral> as the above link shows, openttdlib is fully capable of connecting to your openttd server
22:39:39 <dihedral> the issue is the connection between your webserver and your openttd server
22:40:06 <dihedral> either the webserver itself has a firewall that does not allow that kind of connection to be made, or something between the 2 servers
22:40:16 <dihedral> do you have shell access?
22:40:50 <TMS> I'm about ready to get off the computer for now.
22:41:05 <TMS> and stop worrying about this, seeing as this is a stupid problem.
22:41:11 <TMS> I'll find a way at some point.
22:41:32 <dihedral> TMS: i was hoping at some point to start a webservice
22:41:39 <dihedral> i will let you know once it's up
22:43:01 <dihedral> i.e. nothing more than a little xml fetched via http
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