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00:28:13  <Char> hmmm

00:28:29  <Char> lots of people leaving

00:28:54  <Aali> its getting late

00:30:11  <Sacro> election night

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00:37:01  <Char> hmmm

00:37:10  <Char> but will be a long election night.

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00:50:25  <benjamingoodger> agh

00:50:42  <benjamingoodger> the university of kent anime society has become consumed by a debate about the election

00:50:46  <benjamingoodger> it's not even our damned election!

00:51:24  <benjamingoodger> and it's an anime society!

00:51:26  <thingwath> :-)

00:52:35  <thingwath> I haven't noticed any debate about the elections

00:52:39  <thingwath> well, except this one

00:55:38  <benjamingoodger> I am arguing with what must be the UK's only mccain supporter

00:55:52  <Sacro> mmmcian

00:56:02  <benjamingoodger> he says that obama is a useless flip-flopper and mccain is the only one with the guts to do anything once elected

00:56:10  <benjamingoodger> I disagree

00:56:25  <Sacro> mccain will just go blow up the gooks

00:56:33  <benjamingoodger> I say that mccain has sold out his values by courting the religious right, and that palin is a monstrous hack

00:56:46  <Sacro> i'd do palin

00:57:00  <benjamingoodger> palin is "a ludicrous, contemptable figure", says a BBC analyst :D

00:57:17  <benjamingoodger> I do love the BBC at times --- it is simultaneously the worst and best broadcasting institution in the world

00:57:45  <thingwath> that would be easy, if it were the only one

00:57:55  <benjamingoodger> yeah

00:58:01  <benjamingoodger> it manages despite being one of hundreds :D

00:58:01  <Sacro> http://maps.google.com/help/maps/elections/#2008_election

00:58:19  <benjamingoodger> ah, cool, thanks Sacro! I owe you a drink

00:58:55  <Sacro> ooh

00:58:57  <Sacro> i have more links :p

00:59:06  <Sacro> http://hosted.ap.org/specials/election_night_2008/election_map_premium/index.html?SITE=MASPDELN

00:59:43  <thingwath> it's scary, more than our regional elections few weeks ago

01:00:03  <Sacro> TEN SECONDS CHAPS

01:00:05  <Sacro> BRACE YOURSELVES

01:00:41  <Sacro> :D

01:00:50  <benjamingoodger> Sacro: you only get one drink, I'm not made of money

01:00:56  <Sacro> :(

01:01:02  <Sacro> where abouts in the UK are you@?

01:01:15  <benjamingoodger> cornwall

01:01:29  <benjamingoodger> but I'll be in kent from september next year

01:01:35  <Sacro> ah

01:01:36  <benjamingoodger> university woot

01:01:38  <Sacro> daaaaaaarn saaaaaaaaaarth

01:01:48  <benjamingoodger> er, quite

01:01:55  <benjamingoodger> daun sooth.

01:02:15  <benjamingoodger> yourself?

01:02:29  <Sacro> 'ull

01:03:37  <benjamingoodger> ah

01:04:00  <benjamingoodger> I've never been there

01:04:12  <benjamingoodger> but I've studied the erosion of the region's coastline in geography ^^

01:06:38  <benjamingoodger> hmm

01:06:39  <benjamingoodger> interesting

01:06:41  <benjamingoodger> for SC...

01:06:50  <benjamingoodger> AP is calling south carolina for mccain

01:07:00  <benjamingoodger> but obama has a majority of the votes!

01:07:25  <benjamingoodger> and a 3:1 ratio of districts/counties/whatever

01:09:31  <thingwath> huhm

01:10:52  <Sacro> lol

01:11:31  <Sacro> yeah, the sea is noming our costline

01:12:01  <thingwath> luckily we don't have any

01:12:43  <Sacro> hmm

01:12:49  <Sacro> is there a czech navy?

01:13:17  <thingwath> No. :-)

01:13:26  <Sacro> mmm

01:13:31  * Sacro plans an invasion by boat

01:13:53  <thingwath> interesting idea

01:15:22  <benjamingoodger> heh

01:15:32  <benjamingoodger> ok, obama has the following:

01:16:09  <benjamingoodger> maine, vermont, mass., connecticut, new jersey, delaware, maryland, DC and illinois

01:16:20  <benjamingoodger> 78 votes so far.

01:17:51  <Sacro> NJ?

01:17:56  <Sacro> i see it blue

01:18:01  <Sacro> but 0% have returned

01:18:08  <benjamingoodger> yes

01:18:13  <benjamingoodger> AP have called it for obama anyway

01:18:39  <benjamingoodger> I'll let you know if it changes --- according to fivethirtyeight there is a 0% chance of this

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01:23:12  <benjamingoodger> obama has new hampshire

01:23:56  <thingwath> our local newspapers are very optimistic about obama, lala

01:24:53  <mikegrb> nj is die hard blue

01:25:03  * mikegrb kisses the nj ground beneath his feat

01:25:05  <mikegrb> !

01:25:09  <mikegrb> s/feat/feet/

01:26:17  <thingwath> how many browser crashes this night...

01:28:10  <benjamingoodger> s/browser/IIS/

01:28:51  <thingwath> I don't have any IIS. :-)

01:29:37  <thingwath> but my browser doesn't like flash graphics, much :-/

01:31:28  <benjamingoodger> mmm

01:31:35  <benjamingoodger> I refer to microsoft's http server

01:31:41  <benjamingoodger> it is incompetently engineered

01:31:56  <benjamingoodger> and therefore likely to crash where used to serve election data on popular sites

01:32:39  <thingwath> Server: Oracle-Application-Server-10g/10.1.3.1.0 Oracle-HTTP-Server OracleAS-Web-Cache-10g/10.1.2.3.0

01:32:56  <thingwath> (http://volby.cz/index_en.htm)

01:33:05  <thingwath> and did crash so many times... :-)

01:33:57  <Sacro> hmm

01:34:01  <Sacro> 101% in texas

01:34:04  <Sacro> 50/50 R/D

01:34:07  <Sacro> and 1% O

01:34:14  <SmatZ> flawless victory

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01:34:31  <benjamingoodger> hmm

01:34:38  <benjamingoodger> mccain appears to have won TX though

01:34:51  <benjamingoodger> by 9500 votes...

01:37:05  <benjamingoodger> oh, it's now 30000

01:37:33  <SmatZ> it will be interesting if McCain wins

01:37:44  <benjamingoodger> he won't win

01:37:54  <benjamingoodger> obama might win texas, though......that would just be disturbing

01:37:57  <glx> GW didn't win

01:37:57  <thingwath> who knows :-)

01:38:04  <SmatZ> :)

01:38:13  <benjamingoodger> texas voting for democrats...

01:38:22  <Char> TX? what is TX? texas?

01:38:29  <benjamingoodger> yes

01:38:38  <Char> which site are you checking at?

01:38:48  <Char> cause i use a german news site which might be lagging behind

01:39:05  <benjamingoodger> AP, Google, BBC, FiveThirtyEight.com

01:39:05  <Char> and, another question: whom did you vote for? :P

01:39:25  <benjamingoodger> I live on Great Britain, I'm not allowed to vote in US elections

01:39:44  <benjamingoodger> though I would have voted for obama, naturally

01:40:02  <SmatZ> why?

01:40:26  <benjamingoodger> erm...

01:40:46  <benjamingoodger> because I prefer his policies?

01:40:59  <benjamingoodger> I am also disgusted by the mccain campaign's conduct

01:41:06  <SmatZ> I don't like showmen... and from what I saw, both are showmen... so neither is good for me :)

01:41:06  <benjamingoodger> and sarah palin is a horrifying woman

01:42:11  <SmatZ> thanks for answer

01:42:14  <Eddi|zuHause> 95% of the people in this channel are not eligible to vote in an US election...

01:42:27  <benjamingoodger> surely more than that

01:42:28  <benjamingoodger> :D

01:42:30  <Char> mikegrb seems to be american

01:42:35  <Char> but i guess he voted obama

01:43:01  <Char> i thought there might be a majority of americans online at the moment

01:43:04  <Char> looking at the time

01:43:26  <thingwath> don't think so :-)

01:43:57  <Eddi|zuHause> americans are not as train crazy as the europeans :)

01:44:07  <SmatZ> hehe

01:44:11  <Eddi|zuHause> the majority in here traditionally is british, german and dutch

01:44:19  * mikegrb nods

01:44:33  <mikegrb> amerikans are poorly represented in all things choochoo

01:45:40  <benjamingoodger> :)

01:46:17  <benjamingoodger> I think perhaps the US has less tendency to amarac

01:46:21  * mikegrb is  fortunate to have a 1" scale 7.5" gauge rail park 15 minutes from his house though

01:46:39  <benjamingoodger> ooh, cool

01:46:41  <mikegrb> http://www.jerseyshorelivesteam.com/SJLSatwork.html

01:46:46  <thingwath> and some real railway? :-)

01:46:49  <mikegrb> I just discovered it recently

01:46:55  <mikegrb> well that's the bad thing

01:47:00  <benjamingoodger> thingwath: don't be silly

01:47:08  <SmatZ> actually I don't understand why media here are so interested in US elections... whoever wins, not much will change for us

01:47:09  <mikegrb> I moved and I get this fake trains nearby

01:47:11  <mikegrb> but no real ones

01:47:29  <mikegrb> though the sttate does have some commuter trains and I do use them sometimes when going to nyc

01:47:36  <Eddi|zuHause> with bush out of the picture, it can only get better...

01:47:39  <benjamingoodger> SmatZ: well, my country will withdraw from this massive and debilitating war in Iraq

01:47:54  <SmatZ> haha nice little train :)

01:48:01  <Char> SmatZ: well i think in the long run it does affect us

01:48:23  <Eddi|zuHause> he was clearly the worst president of the US since <who remembers this guy before Lincoln?>

01:48:46  <SmatZ> benjamingoodger: don't both candidates want to leave Iraq in ~3-4 years? can you trust them?

01:49:22  <benjamingoodger> SmatZ: mccain wants to withdraw by 2013

01:49:27  <benjamingoodger> palin wants to WIN

01:49:39  <benjamingoodger> obama, I think, wants to leave as soon as possible

01:50:08  <Eddi|zuHause> neither "win" nor "soon" are realistic in iraq...

01:50:10  <SmatZ> benjamingoodger: it will be interesting how the war will continue in reality

01:50:12  <benjamingoodger> we shouldn't trust anyone, but we have to trust someone...

01:50:26  <Eddi|zuHause> they'll have to put up with that problem for the next 20 to 40 years...

01:50:31  <benjamingoodger> hmmmm

01:50:39  <benjamingoodger> I think the iraqis will

01:50:45  <benjamingoodger> the US may not have to for much longer

01:50:51  <benjamingoodger> the war may last only ten years

01:51:07  <thingwath> that model engine has only two powered axles?

01:51:21  <benjamingoodger> but if palin's in charge (which she might be, if mccain dies, poor old man) then we're fucked, if you'll pardon the expression

01:51:40  <Char> great, the voting stops in five hours in california, but the election might already be a safe bet by then

01:51:54  <Char> alaska is even worse

01:51:57  <benjamingoodger> Char: it's a safe bet now. california's just a formality :D

01:52:04  <Char> ends in nine hours

01:52:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought california was as democratic as it gets :p

01:52:29  <Char> it is

01:52:29  <thingwath> alaska has three votes, unlikely to change anything

01:52:35  <Char> yeah i know

01:52:36  <Char> still

01:52:37  <Char> weird

01:52:42  <Char> thats like

01:52:43  <benjamingoodger> the tipping point seems to be florida (currently 51.3% obama) and virginia (53.5%)

01:52:53  <Char> "obama is president for sure. whom do you want to vote for?"

01:53:01  <Char> i mean

01:53:04  <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's more weird that the americans can get away with doing an election on a weekday

01:53:04  <benjamingoodger> yeah

01:53:07  <Char> if obama gets florida....

01:53:08  <Char> well

01:53:18  <benjamingoodger> if obama gets florida he has practically won

01:53:21  <Char> then the race is pretty much over

01:53:31  <benjamingoodger> if mccain gets it, obama is likely to still win

01:53:31  <thingwath> I'm hungry :-)

01:53:37  <Eddi|zuHause> if gore had won florida, he'd have won, too...

01:53:41  <benjamingoodger> if obama gets virginia, mccain needs florida to win

01:53:42  <Char> i guess obama will be partying before the last voters vote.

01:53:53  <benjamingoodger> well

01:53:58  <benjamingoodger> they don't actually need everyone to vote

01:54:09  <Char> i know

01:54:11  <Char> still, its weird

01:54:24  <benjamingoodger> if obama gets 271 electoral votes, it doesn't matter how many mccain gets after that

01:54:28  <Eddi|zuHause> <Char> i guess obama will be partying before the last voters vote. <- do you remember how they tried that in germany?

01:54:45  <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: do you remember how they tried it in the US in 2000?

01:55:28  <benjamingoodger> FOX called Florida for Bush too early, and Bush became president-elect despite not being elected in Florida!

01:55:40  <petern> do you remember how they tried it in F1 on sunday :D

01:55:47  <benjamingoodger> petern: heheheh

01:55:50  <Char> i guess chicago will have one of the greatest parties ever tonight

01:55:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't follow F1, what happened there?

01:56:12  <Char> Eddi|zuHause: no, actually i dont

01:56:53  <benjamingoodger> Char: bloody hell, it's all blue!

01:56:53  <benjamingoodger> :D

01:56:56  <Char> Eddi|zuHause: hamilton won.... basically on the last kilometer

01:57:43  <petern> Eddi|zuHause: hamilton gained a position after massa had crossed the line

01:58:15  <Eddi|zuHause> weird...

01:58:22  <petern> massa won the race

01:58:38  <petern> but hamilton won the championship title

01:58:56  <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to the time when schuhmacher was clear winner 6 races before the end?

01:58:58  <Char> like.... he was on 5 and needed to be on 5 to win the world championship.... then due to rain, he fell back on 6, which was not enough. massa was basically world champion when he crossed the line (as 1st), but hamilton passed some other guy in the final lap

01:59:25  <Char> Eddi|zuHause: how do you mean?

01:59:41  <benjamingoodger> MCCAIN: "We've had a great ride, we've had a great experience and it's full of memories that we will always treasure" ~ he knows he's lost, doesn't he

02:00:16  <thingwath> No? :-)

02:00:36  <petern> heh, 175/61

02:00:58  <petern> pinch of salt, of course

02:01:23  <benjamingoodger> BBC calls wisconsin

02:01:26  <benjamingoodger> new york

02:01:28  <benjamingoodger> minnesota

02:01:45  <petern> not enough results are in

02:01:51  <benjamingoodger> north dakota for mccain

02:02:24  <petern> bbc's michigan result says 52% mccain, 46% obama, and says obama's won

02:02:33  <petern> (2% counted!)

02:02:59  <petern> it's pretty silly to post such results, imho

02:03:12  * SmatZ agrees

02:03:18  <benjamingoodger> BBC calls rhode island for obama

02:04:23  <benjamingoodger> FOX calls ohio for obama

02:04:38  <petern> "Rhode Island - Obama projected to win. 0% of votes counted"

02:04:39  <benjamingoodger> BBC calls kansas for mccain

02:04:46  <petern> ah well

02:05:11  <thingwath> Nice.

02:05:27  <glx> they will need a week to count anyway :)

02:05:43  <benjamingoodger> bbc calls georgia for mccain

02:05:52  <thingwath> a week?

02:06:16  <SmatZ> BBC, FOX ... all of them should have the same source :)

02:06:37  <benjamingoodger> they should all have the same data, yes

02:06:41  <thingwath> hopefuly this elections.

02:07:10  <benjamingoodger> christ

02:07:18  <benjamingoodger> 97% of afroamericans in Georgia voted.

02:07:24  <benjamingoodger> that's extraordinary

02:07:32  <Eddi|zuHause> and still they call it for mccain

02:07:52  <benjamingoodger> yeah..

02:07:55  <thingwath> who said they didn't vote for him :-)

02:08:02  <benjamingoodger> it was close, apparently

02:08:17  <benjamingoodger> FOX calls new mexico for obama

02:08:47  <thingwath> they are really guessing from one or two % of votes?

02:08:59  <benjamingoodger> yeah

02:09:04  <thingwath> ah.

02:09:10  <benjamingoodger> *shrug*

02:09:13  <benjamingoodger> they're usually right

02:09:23  <thingwath> I want to live in America, I think.

02:09:37  <benjamingoodger> I suppose someone has to

02:10:03  <thingwath> not necessarily

02:10:05  <benjamingoodger> heh

02:10:13  <benjamingoodger> the BBC is basically bashing mccain openly now

02:10:39  <thingwath> he needs BBC for that?

02:10:58  <benjamingoodger> no

02:11:06  <benjamingoodger> but the beeb is usually remarkably august

02:13:29  <thingwath> finished last beer

02:13:33  <Char> they called wyoming

02:13:36  <thingwath> aw :/

02:13:40  <Char> and the vote is not yet over there

02:13:46  <Char> still nearly 2 hours to go

02:14:23  <benjamingoodger> bbc calls pennsylvania for obama

02:14:30  <benjamingoodger> bbc calls michigan for obama

02:14:33  <thingwath> the best way to predict result of the elections is to invent it :-)

02:14:44  <benjamingoodger> yeah, that works

02:15:15  <Char> calling michigan for obama is stupid

02:15:30  <Char> it currently is obama 45 / mccain 53 there

02:15:38  <benjamingoodger> mmm

02:15:40  <benjamingoodger> that's the current vote

02:15:48  <Eddi|zuHause> i long for the times when elections had a sure outcome of 98% here :p

02:15:51  <benjamingoodger> the call is based on the predicted final vote :P

02:16:09  <Char> Eddi|zuHause: you really do?

02:16:10  <mikegrb> yeah but they look at historical plus polls plus all sorts of crazy

02:16:12  <mikegrb> crap

02:16:18  <Eddi|zuHause> of course not :p

02:16:21  <Char> ;)

02:16:27  <Char> well, you never know....

02:16:33  <mikegrb> ja

02:17:15  <benjamingoodger> FOX calls Ohio for Obama

02:17:31  <benjamingoodger> 5% reported

02:17:34  <benjamingoodger> ....he's won

02:17:36  <benjamingoodger> I'm going to bed

02:17:41  <benjamingoodger> good night :)

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02:22:01  <Char> if ohio is for obama

02:22:04  <Char> then thats it?

02:22:49  <Eddi|zuHause> he basically has to get one swing state

02:22:53  <benjamingoodger> Char: yes.

02:22:59  <benjamingoodger> no republican has ever won without ohio

02:23:06  <Eddi|zuHause> mccain would have to get all of them

02:24:18  <SmatZ> kill me!

02:24:27  <SmatZ> I spent like 5 hours doing somethin

02:24:36  <SmatZ> caused by stupid copy&paste error

02:24:42  <SmatZ> stupid me

02:24:48  <thingwath> happens

02:24:50  <welshdragon> obama 175 mccain 72 from france24

02:24:55  <SmatZ> yeah :(

02:27:14  <benjamingoodger> 195/76 on the BBC

02:27:20  <Char> yeah

02:27:29  <Char> if counting ohio for obama

02:27:39  <benjamingoodger> they have apparently done so

02:27:48  <benjamingoodger> oh, and new york

02:28:14  <benjamingoodger> and pennsylvania

02:30:58  <benjamingoodger> BBC: "you'd have to believe in the tooth fairy to think McCain is going to win California, and I've never met the tooth fairy."

02:31:02  <welshdragon> ohio called by france24

02:31:17  <thingwath> crazy

02:31:49  <Char> ?

02:31:50  <Char> why?

02:32:07  <thingwath> how many votes counted? :)

02:32:17  <benjamingoodger> BBC calls w.virginia for mccain

02:32:29  <benjamingoodger> hmm, I still seem to be here

02:32:33  <benjamingoodger> luisiana for mccain

02:32:49  <benjamingoodger> 195/90

02:34:12  <SmatZ> :)

02:37:16  <benjamingoodger> BBC calls new mexico for obama

02:37:35  <benjamingoodger> 200/90

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02:38:17  <Char> cool

02:38:34  <Char> the german news site i use has NM at obama 11 / mccain 89

02:39:46  <Char> NM is pretty much in the middle of the republican mainland, no?

02:39:48  <welshdragon> http://usa2008.france24.com/en/ < quite a few places not called yet

02:40:05  <benjamingoodger> BBC calls texas for mccain

02:40:17  <benjamingoodger> 200/124

02:40:19  <Eddi|zuHause> new mexico was a big strategy for obama to get the hispanic vote there

02:40:42  <Eddi|zuHause> and apparently that worked

02:41:01  <benjamingoodger> bbc calls wyoming for mccain

02:41:13  <benjamingoodger> arkansas for mccain

02:41:24  <Eddi|zuHause> texas for mccain

02:41:31  <Eddi|zuHause> 200:119

02:43:06  <benjamingoodger> 10 state polls close soon

02:43:10  <benjamingoodger> I will stay up for them...

02:43:24  <benjamingoodger> no call for florida yet

02:43:51  <Belugas> bah

02:44:03  <Belugas> go to sleep.. the results will be there tomorrow...

02:44:34  <benjamingoodger> I will lie in bed, thinking about it...

02:44:41  <Char> ;)

02:44:43  <thingwath> I'm hungry :-)

02:44:45  <Char> i guess its over

02:44:46  <benjamingoodger> might as well stay up all night

02:44:49  <Char> eat something

02:44:52  <thingwath> I can't sleep.

02:44:56  <thingwath> No food :-)

02:45:01  <Char> you know

02:45:03  <Char> theres places

02:45:06  <Char> that have so much food

02:45:09  <Char> they sell it

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02:45:36  <Char> can someone change the topic

02:45:49  <Char> to represent obamas historic win?

02:46:00  <thingwath> Oh, please, don't.

02:46:02  <Char> victory

02:46:04  <Char> :P

02:46:10  <benjamingoodger> heh

02:46:23  <benjamingoodger> 0.63 = proportion of obama voters :)

02:46:53  <thingwath> Food... too far. Everything closed.

02:47:11  <benjamingoodger> heh

02:49:21  <thingwath> And the first morning train just passed by.

02:49:56  <benjamingoodger> thingwath: what time is it there?

02:50:08  <thingwath> 3:49, CET

02:50:23  <benjamingoodger> ah

02:50:28  <benjamingoodger> that's very early...

02:50:33  <thingwath> or late :-)

02:50:45  <benjamingoodger> british trains don't start until 5:40 GMT

02:51:15  <thingwath> everything starts early here

02:51:31  <benjamingoodger> iowa, montana, nevada, utah in ten minutes

02:51:44  <thingwath> by 5.40, it's almost morning traffic spike :-)

02:51:53  <benjamingoodger> heh

02:52:09  <thingwath> oh, ok, not so bad :-)

02:52:21  <benjamingoodger> according to whois you are in sweden?

02:52:26  <thingwath> No.

02:52:35  <benjamingoodger> czech republic?

02:52:39  <thingwath> That is server I'm connected to.

02:52:41  <thingwath> Yep.

02:52:45  <benjamingoodger> ah

02:52:54  <benjamingoodger> I didn't know czech was in CET

02:52:55  <Eddi|zuHause> <thingwath> by 5.40, it's almost morning traffic spike :-) <- that

02:53:13  <thingwath> where else it should be? :-)

02:53:13  <Eddi|zuHause> 's typically an indication that people commute very far

02:53:26  <benjamingoodger> well

02:53:31  <thingwath> they start to work by 7:00, or even earlier

02:53:34  <benjamingoodger> possibly eastern europe time?

02:54:07  <thingwath> ukraine is in EET

02:54:09  <benjamingoodger> or something like that...

02:54:16  <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes, but if the traffic peak is >1h before starting to work, means people travel >1h to work

02:54:19  <benjamingoodger> ah

02:54:21  <benjamingoodger> I do apologise

02:54:26  <thingwath> :-)

02:54:27  <benjamingoodger> I forgot this map is from 1969 :)

02:54:40  <benjamingoodger> ukraine is still in the USSR

02:54:45  <thingwath> :-)

02:54:55  <benjamingoodger> this places czech in the middle

02:55:07  <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: the 15° CET line passes exactly through czechia

02:55:28  <benjamingoodger> right

02:55:42  <Eddi|zuHause> that's roughly the border between germany and poland

02:55:56  <thingwath> Eddi|zuHause: maybe, I travel ~40 minutes to school, and it's not so far, like 6 kilometers or so

02:56:24  <benjamingoodger> good grief!

02:56:26  <Eddi|zuHause> 6km in 40 minutes? you can walk that :p

02:56:33  <thingwath> Yes. I can :-)

02:56:50  <benjamingoodger> I drive 15 km in that time

02:57:12  <thingwath> depends on where

02:57:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i have roughly 40km to work, that's 35 minutes by car, or 110 minutes by public transport

02:57:41  <Char> Eddi|zuHause: buy a bike

02:57:44  <Char> its faster and easier

02:57:50  <thingwath> well, I spend 25 minutes in tram

02:57:50  <benjamingoodger> christ

02:57:50  <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: where are you?

02:57:56  <Char> and it keeps your muscles awake

02:58:13  <Char> benjamingoodger: according to his nickname, he is at home.

02:58:20  <benjamingoodger> :)

02:58:23  <thingwath> :-)

02:58:26  <benjamingoodger> BBC calls Mississippi for mccain

02:58:28  <Eddi|zuHause> being a student, public transport is way cheaper, though

02:58:33  <benjamingoodger> 200/130

02:58:37  <Char> well

02:58:39  <Char> for me

02:58:44  <Char> bike is cheaper

02:58:53  <thingwath> I just prefer the tram :-)

02:58:55  <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: being a student, I fear for my life if I take public transport to college

02:58:59  <Char> public transport would be like 300 EUR / year

02:59:02  <benjamingoodger> hmm

02:59:04  <benjamingoodger> I like trams

02:59:09  <benjamingoodger> pity we've none here

02:59:09  <thingwath> bike is dangerous, car expensive and I don't have driving licence

02:59:20  <Char> bike rules

02:59:20  <Eddi|zuHause> i pay 100€ for 6 months of public transport

02:59:34  <Char> hmm

02:59:38  <thingwath> I pay ~25 EUR for 3 months

02:59:40  <Char> thats expensive

02:59:52  <Char> my bike is... well not exactly for free

02:59:58  <Char> but even if i pay the same

03:00:01  <Char> bike is faster

03:00:01  <thingwath> and I think it's cheap :-)

03:00:03  <Char> and healthier

03:00:08  <Char> unless you are overrun by a car

03:00:11  <thingwath> :-)

03:00:22  <Char> but its faster

03:00:26  <Char> and much more flexible

03:00:29  <benjamingoodger> Char: if the car is driven by me, frankly, that is likely

03:00:31  <benjamingoodger> I hate cyclists

03:00:37  <Char> well

03:00:40  <benjamingoodger> it's not their fault

03:00:45  <Eddi|zuHause> Char: well, bike may be fast in the city, but i live in a rural area, and work is not in the next city

03:00:45  <Char> most of the cyclists cycle like crazy

03:00:49  <benjamingoodger> but our roads are so terrible we can barely fit cars on

03:00:53  <benjamingoodger> and they're so hilly...

03:00:57  <benjamingoodger> the cyclists always hold people up

03:00:57  <Char> then again, most of the automobilists drive like crazy as well

03:01:10  <thingwath> Who doesn't :-)

03:01:11  <Sacro> ...hills?

03:01:12  <benjamingoodger> BBC calls iowa for obama

03:01:14  <Sacro> our city has none

03:01:19  <Sacro> utah for mccain

03:01:21  <thingwath> I walk like crazy :-)

03:01:47  <benjamingoodger> Sacro: I don't live in a city, I live in a town of 2,800 and drive to a town of 28,000 --- this being the largest town in the county

03:02:11  <thingwath> I would hate to drive every day.

03:02:25  <Sacro> which town?

03:02:28  <Sacro> Hull is flat :D

03:02:32  <Char> hmmm

03:02:34  <Sacro> highest you can get is about 6ft above ea

03:02:37  <Sacro> *sea

03:02:43  <Char> i guess the mccain people can start to switch the lights off

03:02:46  <benjamingoodger> st austell is the largest town in cornwall...

03:02:52  <benjamingoodger> it's also a sickening shithole

03:03:11  <benjamingoodger> thingwath: driving isn't so bad, except fuel is expensive

03:03:24  <thingwath> I really don't like it. I don't like cars either :-)

03:04:02  <benjamingoodger> 207/135

03:04:30  <thingwath> And I have no idea where to park.

03:04:55  <benjamingoodger> heh

03:05:01  <benjamingoodger> the college parking is terrible

03:05:02  <Char> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1TT7gt5F0w&eurl=http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,588441,00.html

03:05:17  <benjamingoodger> they gravelled over a cricket pitch to make a new car park and it's still not enough

03:05:18  <Char> sorry

03:05:18  <Char> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1TT7gt5F0w

03:05:20  <benjamingoodger> I park down the road

03:05:23  <thingwath> we have college parking only for employees

03:05:30  <thingwath> which I am not

03:05:46  <thingwath> and every other place is full, all the time

03:06:07  <thingwath> but I really doubt the car would be faster here

03:06:30  <thingwath> and I couldn't drink when I want to :-)

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03:07:03  <benjamingoodger> heh

03:07:05  <benjamingoodger> I've no choice

03:07:20  <benjamingoodger> the college run public buses, but they don't match my timetable

03:07:34  <benjamingoodger> and there are no other buses and the trains don't match my timetable either

03:07:43  <thingwath> timetable :-)

03:07:49  <thingwath> I have nothing like that :-D

03:07:53  <benjamingoodger> heh

03:07:58  <benjamingoodger> I'm still only 18

03:07:59  <thingwath> well, I do, but... :-)

03:08:46  <thingwath> And, of course, I like trams :-)

03:09:01  <benjamingoodger> heh

03:09:06  <benjamingoodger> yeah, trams are nice

03:09:15  <benjamingoodger> do you know why they're not available in my copy of openttd, btw?

03:09:27  <Eddi|zuHause> you need to add a grf

03:09:32  <benjamingoodger> oh

03:09:39  <benjamingoodger> I thought it came with the trams grf

03:09:53  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but you still have to enable it

03:10:14  <thingwath> trams grf included?

03:10:15  <benjamingoodger> I enabled all the grfs I found in the newgrf GUI

03:12:09  <Eddi|zuHause> the generic tram grf is distributed with release builds

03:12:15  <Eddi|zuHause> not with nightlies

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03:12:32  <thingwath> ah, I have only git clone repository

03:12:36  <Eddi|zuHause> nightlies are stripped from such extras like grfs and scenarios

03:12:44  <Eddi|zuHause> you can get those elsewhere

03:12:50  <benjamingoodger> I'm running on debian

03:12:55  <benjamingoodger> but I will have a look in that case

03:12:57  <benjamingoodger> thank you

03:14:29  <Char> hmmm

03:14:33  <Char> is there any good scenarios?

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03:21:00  <Belugas> that question is really a matter of choice

03:21:18  <Belugas> the scenarios i would like may not be tose you wold

03:21:22  <Belugas> those

03:21:37  <Char> hmmm

03:21:39  <Char> thats true

03:24:55  <benjamingoodger> right, I'm going to bed

03:24:56  <benjamingoodger> again

03:25:01  <benjamingoodger> good night

03:27:57  <Char> VA, NC, FL are unsure

03:28:03  <Char> but i guess obama doesnt even need them

03:28:14  <Char> florida is 67% counted

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03:47:03  <Eddi|zuHause> virginia now for obama

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04:01:59  <Aali> soo, obama is unofficially president of the united states

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04:02:20  <benjamingoodger> Aali: actually, he's president-elect

04:02:32  <benjamingoodger> YEES!

04:02:33  <benjamingoodger> good night, all

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04:06:40  <Eddi|zuHause> florida appears to be called for obama

04:07:06  <Aali> and he doesn't even need florida

04:08:46  <Eddi|zuHause> in german we say "nach der Pflicht kommt die Kür"

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04:17:57  <George> Wolf01: George, is it normal that the coal left decrease with the time also with the parameter set to 15?

04:17:59  <George> In beta 4 - yes, in beta 5 - no

04:20:18  <George> Ammler: What?

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04:31:31  <Eddi|zuHause> 333:155

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05:54:47  <ln-> McBama!

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06:03:20  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, 99% counted and still too close to call

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06:22:03  <rubyruy> is there a patch/grf that implements max storage limits on stations based on size (and would thus make all the neat storehouse graphics from newstations actually do something) ?

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06:23:25  <Eddi|zuHause> i remember someone attempting a patch

06:24:32  <Eddi|zuHause> but imho, those non-track stations should rather have influence on the station rating for different cargos

06:25:03  <Eddi|zuHause> like, an entrance building could give +10% for passengers

06:25:26  <Eddi|zuHause> or a warehouse could reduce the rating influence of larger stockpiles

06:25:45  <rubyruy> oh yeah i forgot stockpiles influence ratings

06:25:48  <Eddi|zuHause> or less decay for ratings when no vehicle is waiting

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06:25:49  <rubyruy> that would be neat

06:25:58  <rubyruy> i think i agree

06:26:09  <Eddi|zuHause> also, they should be split from rail stations

06:26:13  <rubyruy> YES

06:26:27  <rubyruy> it's a huge PITA to build pretty stations because you have to dynamite the whole thing

06:26:35  <rubyruy> if you make a mistake

06:26:42  <Eddi|zuHause> you don'T

06:26:48  <rubyruy> oh?

06:26:54  <Eddi|zuHause> you can use the bulldozer tool

06:27:05  <Eddi|zuHause> ('R'-key)

06:27:07  <rubyruy> argh

06:27:28  <rubyruy> ok so what do you mean about splitting them from rail stations?

06:27:33  <rubyruy> just be in a different build menu?

06:27:38  <rubyruy> the build UI definitely is lacking

06:27:57  <rubyruy> at the very least the picker window  should be resizable

06:28:12  <Eddi|zuHause> various things, like the catchment area, or the limits of building on slopes

06:28:31  <Eddi|zuHause> which are direct results of non-track tiles being counted as rail stations

06:28:48  <rubyruy> ah

06:29:00  <Doorslammer> Teehee

06:29:16  <rubyruy> on a completely different topic - has anyone ever attempted to make larger depots?

06:29:20  <Doorslammer> I love that moment of realisation that years of doing it one way was pointless ;)

06:29:44  <rubyruy> with all the wonderful grfs floating around having a giant train squeeze into a depot actually starts to break the immersion a little

06:30:02  <rubyruy> on a similar note - properly scaled ships would be nice

06:30:17  <rubyruy> i believe the ship thing is technically posisble now? just nobody made graphics yet?

06:31:15  <Eddi|zuHause> ships need much more improvement, not just graphically

06:31:25  <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. non-overlapping ships

06:31:53  <Eddi|zuHause> which requires a way to define right of way for ships

06:32:18  <Eddi|zuHause> especially in narrow canals, ships need to be prevented from deadlocking

06:32:56  <Eddi|zuHause> trains do that by signalling, road vehicles do that by having separate lanes for each direction

06:33:44  <rubyruy> one of these days i should really start picking up C and trying to make a patch :)

06:33:57  <Eddi|zuHause> the great advantage of ships is that they do not need a lot of infrastructure, this should be kept, but it makes it difficult to control them

06:34:28  <rubyruy> i'm horribly useless in non-dynamic, non-memory-managed, non-object-oriented programming though so it will prolly be very painfull :p

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07:20:37  <dih> morning

07:21:02  <petern> dih!

07:22:30  <dih> :-)

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08:09:09  <Celestar> \o

08:09:49  <dih>  o/

08:10:21  <dih> or - for syamese twins: \oo/

08:10:35  <Celestar> lol

08:10:53  <dih> hihihi

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08:10:57  <Celestar> http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/04/mars-radiation-shield.html

08:12:29  <Celestar> hm.

08:12:34  <Celestar> they found Opals on Mars :o

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08:21:46  <dih> they'll find masians can give them a boot up the rear too at some point :-P

08:22:01  <Celestar> huh?

08:22:10  <Celestar> don't understand last comment :P

08:23:14  * Celestar wonders whether one can extract the water from the Opals

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08:34:18  <petern> not just you

08:34:57  <dih> just a slightly silly + unimportnat comment

08:35:09  <dih> nothing worth striving to understand :-P

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09:25:34  <Celestar> heh.

09:25:42  <Celestar> reading about transuranic elements is fun

09:26:15  <Celestar> sometimes those guys really produced less than a handful of atoms

09:26:37  <keyweed_> which last for less then the blink of an eye

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09:29:57  <Celestar> nope

09:30:04  <Celestar> some of them even last for minutes

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09:31:32  <Celestar> Uuq-289 has 21 seconds half-life

09:32:09  <Celestar> Uuq-298 (not produced yet) will possibly even have a much higher (possible OOM) half-life

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09:39:11  <ln-> how about changing the reverse-at-the-end-of-lines-only thing?

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09:45:53  <rortom> uhm

09:45:55  <rortom> anyone here?

09:46:42  <rortom> could someone verify that my server is instalntly desyncing?

09:46:43  <planetmaker> the vastness of cyberspace is here.

09:47:02  <rortom> .openttdserver.de in the server list

09:47:19  <rortom> i can join, but stay connected some seconds before it desyncs :((

09:47:23  <planetmaker> sorry, no game@work.

09:47:30  <rortom> understandable ;)

09:47:58  <Ammler> no wort to play :P

09:48:01  <Ammler> no work

09:48:09  <Ammler> ?

09:52:19  <planetmaker> sufficient work to play...

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09:56:46  <Celestar> rortom: what happens if you reload the server?

09:57:01  <rortom> via rcon?

09:58:20  <Celestar> for example

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09:58:28  <Celestar> http://winter.group.shef.ac.uk/orbitron/AOs/7g/index.html <= nice orbital

09:58:45  <ln-> wtf, "[Visual Studio 2008] Upgrade Pricing Eligibility: To qualify for upgrade pricing, you must be a licensed user of one of the following products:  * An earlier version of Microsoft Visual Studio

09:58:49  <ln-> * Any other developer tool (including free developer tools, such as Visual Studio Express Editions or Eclipse)"

09:59:39  <rortom> whahhaa :P

09:59:47  <rortom> microsoft fails yet again ;)

10:00:09  <rortom> Celestar: to to reload the server?

10:00:16  <Celestar> rortom: ?

10:00:33  <keyweed_> Celestar: i was confusing transuranic for transactinide. sorry

10:01:02  * keyweed_ should know his ununhexium from his nobelium

10:01:14  <rortom> Celestar: rcon <> "reload" ?

10:01:18  <Celestar> heh

10:01:32  * rortom too stupid to find it in the wiki :|

10:01:37  <Celestar> I dunno much about rcon

10:01:44  <Celestar> Ammler's the expect, or dih

10:02:17  <Ammler> !save && !rcon load game

10:02:48  <rortom> ah, nice, thanks :)

10:02:59  <Ammler> but hat dioes work only with ap

10:03:06  <rortom> the question is whether i can put that so fast into the console :\

10:03:20  <Ammler> rcon save game

10:03:22  <Ammler> rcon load game

10:03:25  <rortom> yeah

10:03:28  <rortom> the thing is

10:03:36  <rortom> it desyncs aber some seconds :|

10:03:49  <Ammler> does it still desync after reload?

10:04:07  <rortom> how to reload if it desyncs before i am able to enter the commands?

10:04:09  <Ammler> then you have an other issue then we had.

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10:04:41  <Ammler> don't you have access to the server console?

10:04:56  <rortom> yes

10:05:03  <rortom> but thats the log only?

10:05:26  <Celestar> rortom: er no :)

10:05:31  <Celestar> you can enter commands there

10:05:31  <rortom> mhm

10:05:35  <Celestar> just type pause :P

10:05:42  <rortom> oh ;)

10:06:35  <petern> we need readline support ;)

10:06:41  * rortom = stupid :p

10:06:55  <rortom> you should use some fancy ncurses ;)

10:07:19  <Celestar> sounds good

10:07:24  <Celestar> is there any ncurses for windows?

10:07:33  <rortom> yes

10:07:39  <rortom> let me search the link again

10:07:52  <rortom> there was some cross-platform thing

10:08:22  <rortom> http://pdcurses.sourceforge.net/

10:08:26  <rortom> works great :)

10:10:38  <rortom> mhm, also

10:10:50  <rortom> after reloading the server does not desync anymore

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10:20:03  * davis-- hi

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10:26:54  <ln-> http://rr-bb.com/showpost.php?p=862644&postcount=16

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10:36:30  <dih> read reverlation... i wait for the 3 kings and the 7 headed creature that crawls out of the sea

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13:45:51  <Belugas> read reservations... I wait for my 3 wifes and seven hairy kids to crawl up on their seats

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13:58:48  <planetmaker> you must be a lucky man, Belugas :P

14:00:14  <Belugas> no :) i'm just mocking up dih's previous post ^_^

14:00:29  <Belugas> hell... i have one kid and one wife, and it's enough alright ;)

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14:03:07  <Belugas> i love them very dearly, don't take mewrongly

14:06:41  <planetmaker> hehe :) One woman is sufficient to keep one occupied :)

14:07:16  <Belugas> you bet

14:10:46  <Eddi|zuHause> <ln-> http://rr-bb.com/showpost.php?p=862644&postcount=16 <- excuse me if i'm wrong, but Obama is christian, too...

14:15:41  <Belugas> what a pityful display of ignorance and prejudice...  the post, not ln...

14:16:08  <Char>  hmmmm. i was not aware that it is actually possible to make the game challenging in single player

14:16:21  <Belugas> can't even spell Barack correclty :P

14:16:23  <fjb> Beware of religious people.

14:16:47  <fjb> Especially stupid religious people...

14:16:50  <Char> no, dont beware of religious people. beware of religious people that are on the edge of being fanatic

14:17:11  <Belugas> yup yup yup

14:17:20  <Char> most of the religious people are perfectly okay

14:17:26  <Belugas> any kind of fanatism is to be avoided

14:17:32  <Char> ;)

14:17:32  <Belugas> not only religious

14:17:38  <Char> thats true, though

14:18:29  <fjb> Religion always devides people between "us" and "them".

14:18:59  <Char> but religious fanatism has yet brought some of the weirdest excrescences, so you might want to be a little extra-careful there.

14:19:13  <dih> fjb: the berlin wall did the same

14:19:17  <Belugas> "And after all we're only ordinary men"

14:19:29  <Belugas> "Me, and you"

14:19:39  <Belugas> "God only knows it's not what we would choose to do"

14:19:41  <dih> "stasi" also created an atmosphere of us and them

14:19:54  <fjb> dih: I did not say that only religion does it, but religion always does it.

14:20:05  <dih> everything does it

14:20:07  <Belugas> god i love Pink Floyd

14:20:12  <dih> as soon as you get opinion involved

14:20:17  <dih> heck - kill free will

14:20:39  <Char> ... and i once thought this was a channel for openttd.

14:20:39  * fjb loves Pink Floyed too.

14:20:44  <Eddi|zuHause> <fjb> Religion always devides people between "us" and "them". <- football does that, too...

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14:21:04  <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Football is a kind of religion.

14:21:08  <Belugas> Char, it's not DEVOTED to OpenTTD only

14:21:12  <dih> fjb: Open and Patch does it too

14:21:15  <Char> ;)

14:21:17  <Belugas> don't be a fanatic of OpenTTD ^_^

14:21:25  <dih> :-P

14:21:34  <Char> well. i dont think that dividing people into "us" and "them" is yet a bad thing

14:21:47  <Belugas> it is a bad thing alright

14:21:56  <dih> us and them emphasises 2 groups - which also is rubbish

14:21:58  <Belugas> what are the differences?

14:22:03  <Belugas> none aprat ideology

14:22:11  <Belugas> does an ideology feeds you?

14:22:12  <Belugas> naaaa

14:22:15  <Char> unless you start thinking that the "us" people are better in general, it is the only way to be, "them" should be killed or whatever

14:22:17  <fjb> dih: As I told you: I did not say that only religion devides people. My statement was not bijective.

14:22:21  <Belugas> can you fuck an idelogogy? neither

14:22:26  <Eddi|zuHause> even nature does divide people into "us" and "them"...

14:22:28  <Belugas> so... useless to fight for

14:22:35  <Eddi|zuHause> by giving one group an Y-chromosome

14:22:58  <dih> fjb: your statement was silly because there is nothing that does not devide into 'us' and 'them'

14:23:05  <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause... Eddi|zuHause...  Eddi|zuHause... that is not dividing :) it's pleasure!

14:23:19  <Belugas> pleasure in uniting that is ;)

14:23:27  <Char> lol

14:23:50  <dih> Belugas: talk to same-sex couples :-P

14:23:51  <Eddi|zuHause> exactly, dividing things is not a ba thing per se...

14:23:58  <dih> at leas one part will not agree

14:24:09  <Belugas> dih : who cares?  as loing as love is in the air?

14:24:20  * dih sings along :-P

14:24:35  <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: i'm sure the person writing that forum post cares :p

14:24:45  <dih> hehe

14:25:02  <Belugas> and honestly, why should one care who or what the neighbours  are fucking?  it's totallyu not one's business

14:25:28  <Belugas> to live and let die

14:25:32  <Belugas> love is all you need

14:25:39  <Belugas> etc etc etc

14:25:45  <petern> who what?

14:26:38  <Belugas> in other words, mind our own businesses and stop breaking all hell because of the neightbours's actions

14:26:48  <Belugas> Hello Peter :D

14:26:51  <petern> and say no to prop 8!

14:27:02  <Belugas> hehe

14:27:08  <petern> quite why someone decided that it should even exist is boggling

14:28:03  <Eddi|zuHause> "prop 8"... is that some newgrfism? :p

14:28:35  <dih> yes - devides into 'us' and 'them' :-D

14:29:58  <Belugas> d<I>vides

14:30:07  <Belugas> as in dih

14:30:35  <petern> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.noonprop8.com/

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14:38:39  <Belugas> Dalestan has a lot of problems whit his connection today.  Internet must be overcrowded with messages and all in the US ^_^

14:38:52  <glx> hehe

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14:41:47  <petern> either the bbc is slow, or missouri and north carolina are doing a recount

14:41:56  <Sacro> petern: recount i guess

14:41:57  <petern> or they've decided they can't be bothered :)

14:44:30  <Eddi|zuHause> north carolina is the new florida? :p

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15:19:56  <Belugas> yurk

15:20:36  <Belugas> why does it always has to taste THAT bad?  Why can't they device medecine that is AT LEASTE tasteless??

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15:22:37  <konto> helo

15:22:53  <davis-> hi

15:23:31  <konto> why my coal mines produces less than 200 tons of coal after many years?

15:23:41  <planetmaker> you don't service them well?

15:23:57  <planetmaker> and define "many years".

15:24:06  <konto> 50 years

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15:24:19  <planetmaker> and your station ratings?

15:24:22  <dih> yeah - i expect my mines to produce at least 350 tones a month

15:24:26  <dih> what a bug

15:24:29  <planetmaker> :D

15:24:30  <dih> ottd should fix it

15:24:31  <dih> :P

15:24:39  <konto> there is always one waiting train for coal

15:24:49  <dih> that was not the question ;-)

15:25:15  <planetmaker> important is also that the service is somewhat sufficiently frequent.

15:25:20  <konto> planetmaker: forests produces less than 200 tons of woods too... its no only coal mines

15:25:21  <dih> + if you have very long trains and dont get to transport stuff every month the industry produces less

15:25:23  <planetmaker> Permanent loading with a 100-tile train won't help you.

15:25:52  <konto> planetmaker: hm... so more shors trains?

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15:25:56  <dih> konto: if it's not just coal then it's definately the network manager

15:25:57  <dih> :-D

15:25:58  <planetmaker> yes. Give it a try.

15:26:03  <planetmaker> :D

15:26:49  <planetmaker> dih: you're nasty :P While in 99% the error is in front of the screen... :P for politeness reason we should not say so :P

15:27:01  <dih> no

15:27:05  <dih> you are right

15:27:37  <dih> konto: i think openttd has a bug and does not always like it's transport manager's network, therefore there is a hardcoded limit to stop good managers :-D

15:27:42  <dih> (better?) :-P

15:27:48  <dih> konto: just kidding

15:27:50  <planetmaker> first assumption must be a hacker who modified your binary in a malicious way.

15:27:57  <dih> yes

15:27:59  <dih> of course

15:28:10  <planetmaker> konto: sorry. funny mood :P

15:28:25  <planetmaker> normally we're really nice and friendly :)

15:28:46  <dih> konto: if you have a train waiting all the time, but the train is very long, is quite unimportant - the station rating is the more importnat factor there ;-)

15:29:05  <dih> you can read up a lot on that stuff at wiki.openttd.org

15:29:12  <planetmaker> ^^ good hint

15:29:12  <dih> and we really are a nice bunch of people

15:29:19  <dih> ^^ also a good hint

15:29:24  <dih> :-P

15:29:30  <planetmaker> :P

15:29:46  * dih has 30 mins left to his work day

15:30:02  * planetmaker has another 2h...

15:30:06  <dih> HAHA

15:30:12  <dih> suck-RRRR

15:30:14  <dih> :-P

15:30:16  <dih> hihihi

15:30:20  <dih> but for that i started earlier

15:30:23  <planetmaker> :P I started at 10h though :)

15:30:33  <dih> 8 am here

15:30:36  <dih> :-P

15:31:06  <konto> dih: yeah... but rating are very well, more than 80%

15:31:37  <dih> and what does the industry say about transported estimate

15:31:52  <dih> (also an important factor)

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15:43:58  <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> normally we're really nice and friendly :) <-- err... have you any proof of that?

15:44:35  <planetmaker> no. I just liked to make a statement which is according to Goedel not proof-able :P

15:44:50  <planetmaker> this comminity certainly is sufficiently complex.

15:45:40  <dih> it is proofable

15:45:49  <dih> read the logs at thegrebs.com :-P

15:46:12  <ln-> *provable

15:46:26  <planetmaker> I knew it's written different :) Thx

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15:53:43  <dih> well done planetmaker - i thought it was not correct but also thought you'd know :-D

15:57:42  <planetmaker> :D

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16:04:06  <Dr_Jekyll> is there a vehicle set wich contains ships to carry fish? i don't want to build railway stations to the middle of the ocean...

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16:08:05  <Eddi|zuHause> well, Gödel said there _exist_ statments which are not provable, not that _any_ statement is not provable :p

16:08:22  <Eddi|zuHause> you still have to prove that the statement is not provable :p

16:08:27  <planetmaker> :P

16:08:52  <planetmaker> axiom: there's no such thing as "normal" :P

16:09:07  <planetmaker> --> any statement containing "normal" is not provable.

16:11:32  <davis-> ->

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16:16:38  <Eddi|zuHause> right, that is at least sufficient plausability ;)

16:19:15  <planetmaker> :)

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17:12:32  <nicfer> one question, where are the servers that use nightly builds of openttd?

17:12:59  <frosch123> http://www.openttd.org/de/servers

17:13:16  <nicfer> I've find them

17:13:23  <nicfer> they were in the middle

17:13:43  <nicfer> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/2718 weird version

17:14:46  <glx> custom build

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17:15:42  <nicfer> aren't manual builds named differently?

17:15:57  <Aali> you can name your build whatever you want

17:19:44  <nicfer> I've tried to run openttd from a usb flash drive, but when I've connected to a server, it hang up

17:20:33  <nicfer> could this be happening due to the drive's low write speed?

17:20:35  <petern> heh

17:20:39  <petern> www.protectmarriage.com is funny

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17:24:23  <frosch123> what's funny? boring.

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17:26:29  <glx> nicfer: when you join a server you download the savegame

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17:42:04  <petern> well

17:42:07  <petern> fair enough

17:42:08  <petern> i'm going home

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17:44:25  <Belugas_Gone> hellooo again

17:44:44  <Belugas_Gone> my alter ego is on an unreachable pc right now :(

17:45:05  <davis-> tragedy

17:45:33  <Belugas_Gone> nice song indeed...

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17:48:19  <davis-> :P

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18:23:47  <nicfer> has been suggested fences for roads?

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18:27:57  <Aali> people already hate the railroad fences

18:28:18  <Aali> and i dont see how that would be useful, you can use other peoples roads

18:28:27  <Aali> so it doesn't really matter who owns it

18:28:40  <nicfer> hmmm... easier to know who owns the roadtrack?

18:28:54  <Belugas_Gone> has been suggested.  has not been received with great enthusiasm

18:29:01  <Belugas_Gone> has not been done

18:29:30  <Aali> just use the land area information tool or look at the worldmap if you really want to know

18:36:40  <frosch123> Belugas_Gone: But you have to admit, that it is not realistic :)

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18:41:37  <Belugas_Gone> ho ho ho :)

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18:57:49  <Wolf01> hello

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20:52:12  <squid0> hi there. I'm installing the ubuntu package; do I still need to get hold of the original Microprose binaries to play?

20:52:52  <Aali> you never needed the binaries

20:52:56  <Aali> you need the data files

20:53:14  <Aali> grfs and sample.cat

20:53:36  <squid0> Aali: oh ok. so where can I get those from?

20:53:57  <Aali> from your original TTD media

20:54:07  <squid0> and if I don't have that?

20:54:22  <Aali> then you can't play

20:54:28  <squid0> ok

20:54:37  <squid0> thanks

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21:04:28  <benjamingoodger> another satisfied customer

21:04:56  <thingwath> :-D

21:11:03  * davis- gn

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21:12:54  <benjamingoodger> *bored*

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21:15:24  <Prof_Frink> Pfft, you should at least have hinted at 3407

21:15:55  <benjamingoodger> 3407?

21:16:00  <Prof_Frink> 3407.

21:16:10  <Prof_Frink> t=3407

21:16:24  <benjamingoodger> ...

21:16:35  <benjamingoodger> revision that doesn't require microprose stuff?

21:17:12  <Prof_Frink> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3407

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21:19:29  <benjamingoodger> aha

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21:28:34  <benjamingoodger> ho hum

21:29:06  <benjamingoodger> I personally would have linked to orudge's site had I been here, no need to mess about with the wiki...

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21:35:05  * orudge pokes Prof_Frink

21:35:24  * Prof_Frink is poked

21:35:53  <orudge> are you /ignoring all of #tycoon or somesuch, perhaps? you have been quite quiet as of late, but are apparently alive here :o

21:36:04  <Prof_Frink> #tywhatnow?

21:36:08  <orudge> quite

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21:38:27  <benjamingoodger> hey orudge, how's you this year?

21:38:57  <orudge> Not too bad

21:38:59  <orudge> busy, as usual

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22:10:41  <benjamingoodger> goood

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22:49:58  <Wolf01> 'night

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23:30:52  <Aali> huh

23:31:05  <Aali> what do i have to do to make ottd see my scripts?

23:31:22  <Aali> i put the file in scripts/

23:31:31  <Aali> but exec can't find it

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23:33:47  <Aali> anyone?

23:34:18  <Aali> ls in scripts/ says its completely empty

23:35:13  <Aali> renaming it to .sav works, but thats not how you're supposed to do it, right? :P

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23:47:52  <Aali> oh, exec always reads files from the openttd dir

23:47:56  <Aali> thats.. annoying

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23:59:44  <SpComb> OpenTTD's path handling :(

23:59:48  * SpComb just disses everything

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