IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2008-09-25
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00:00:00 <Yexo> nice guide Brianetta, although I don't see much use for those terminus stations
00:00:45 <Yexo> if you have enough room, a roro stations works better I think, although it doesn't look as nice
00:00:51 <Brianetta> Yexo: If there's no end to your line, they're unnecessary
00:00:57 <Brianetta> Ammler: Oh, that trick
00:01:01 <Brianetta> The train does turn
00:01:12 <Brianetta> Yexo: You just made my point
00:01:27 <Brianetta> RoRo stations make one's game look exactly like everyone else's
00:01:47 <Brianetta> because every TTD web site since 1996 has presented them as the ultimate in efficiency
00:01:48 <Ammler> Brianetta: I said it wrong... :-)
00:01:55 <Brianetta> Ammler: UKRS does that
00:02:06 <Brianetta> Class 91 with mail car as DVT
00:02:13 <Brianetta> and also the shunter, for short consists
00:02:25 <Yexo> Brianetta: thiing is, they are efficient.
00:02:36 <Brianetta> Yexo: My terminus is not inefficient.
00:03:10 <Brianetta> Even the inline terminus is far more efficient than a basic terminus with crossover
00:03:41 <Brianetta> takes up less space, and (most importantly) can easily be extended to a new stretch o fmainline
00:03:53 <Yexo> yep, I like that design (might use it in my AI as terminus station)
00:04:18 <Brianetta> Try to get your AI to build towards it, and connect up
00:04:27 <Brianetta> then order trains to use the next terminus instead
00:05:01 <Yexo> for now it's just point-to-point building, with sometimes overlapping rails (=network)
00:05:03 <Brianetta> Once I had a terminus like that because I'd Beeching'd the rest of the line
00:05:59 <Brianetta> Anyway, it's bed time
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02:13:43 <Yexo> Belugas: you just denied a pm request on FS#2202? Why do I get a mail notification about that?
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07:47:28 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit
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07:47:58 * Forked stabs roboboys client to death
07:51:52 <murray> i have a strange feeling of deja vu
08:07:47 <roboboy> the problem with mibbit
08:08:13 <roboboy> its a graphical glitch that only fixes itself after several part joins
08:08:24 <Forked> what about .. using mirc? :p
08:08:37 <Forked> or even better.. irssi
08:08:52 <roboboy> my connection doesnt like other IRC clients
08:10:43 <roboboy> ill see if xchat will connect
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08:13:12 <roboboy> hm it worked then from xchat
08:13:44 <roboboy> i joined but xchat is not showing the #openttd tab
08:15:10 <peter1138> What about quitting mibbit and restarting it, instead of part/joining?
08:15:17 <peter1138> Then it'd be just once...
08:17:17 * Forked is proposing to his gf today...
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09:50:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r14398 /trunk/src/vehicle_base.h: -Cleanup (r14395): unused function sneaked in
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11:59:06 <Brianetta> Don't know why I bother joining #tycoon during the day time. It's always marcf and reldred talking about cars.
11:59:16 <FauxFaux> I'm not sure I get the inline terminus, unless you have two types of cargo on a train. ¬_¬
11:59:21 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: is it at other times any better
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11:59:58 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: The minutiae of cars is second only to football in its capacity to bore me.
12:00:20 <FauxFaux> Or something crazy like /passengers/.
12:00:21 <Brianetta> FauxFaux: What don't you understand?
12:00:34 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: I agree with you there :)
12:00:34 <roboboy> what football do you mean? soccer?
12:00:50 <Brianetta> roboboy: There's only one football where foot meets ball.
12:00:59 <roboboy> I dont really like cars or soccer
12:01:08 <FauxFaux> Brianetta: That you make the train enter the station twice.
12:01:28 <roboboy> foot does meet the ball in rugby but not as much
12:01:33 <Brianetta> FauxFaux: There's nothng to stop you replacing the departures platform with empty track, if all you're doing is dropping off.
12:01:46 <Brianetta> roboboy: Soccer is just what the yanks call football.
12:02:43 <Brianetta> FauxFaux: Also, with cargo, you can (and I have done, before now) place a depot on the spur line, and have the train refit. Useful with UKRS and PBI, where a bolster truck can drop off wood and carry away lumber.
12:03:02 <Brianetta> I might ad dthis to the guide.
12:03:09 <Noldo> its possible to make refit orders?
12:03:19 <FauxFaux> That'd be serious hax.
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12:50:02 <Belugas> yexo, i've got no idea why you received that notification, for FS2202. I did not included you on the notification (nor did i added anyone...) and i'm as surprised as you
12:51:02 <SmatZ> 2008-08-06 Thijs Marinussen (Yexo) Comment added
12:51:03 <SmatZ> 2008-08-06 Thijs Marinussen (Yexo) User added to notification list: Thijs Marinussen (Yexo)
12:51:06 <Belugas> or Yexo__... pick the one you want ^_^
12:51:39 <TrueBrain> Belugas: we can make it your fault ;)
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13:01:09 <TrueBrain> there is a new Knight Rider series
13:01:12 <TrueBrain> it is pretty fancy :)
13:01:17 <TrueBrain> much cooler car! :)
13:02:17 <SmatZ> much cooler david hasselhoff?
13:02:46 <TrueBrain> one with more attitude :)
13:03:01 <TrueBrain> and sorry Brianetta for bringing up cars :)
13:04:02 <TrueBrain> but it is more a mixture of Knight Rider and Viper
13:04:52 <Brianetta> TrueBrain: Knight Rider is an exception.
13:05:41 <Celestar> Rubidium: you there?
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13:21:08 <peter1138> Cooler car? Impossible.
13:21:31 <TrueBrain> watch it, and you will be suprised ;)
13:21:56 <TrueBrain> "The impossible just takes a little bit longer"
13:23:20 <Belugas> or ask TrueBrain, he'll make it up in no flat
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13:27:21 <Brianetta> A lot of black toner, but never mind.
13:39:51 <Belugas> "in no flat" -> in very little time, or so I believe it means
13:40:18 <TrueBrain> ah :) Tnx I guess :p
13:51:49 <Brianetta> "in no flat" wouldn't be used much, although we kind of understand because it's like "four seconds flat" etc
13:52:04 <peter1138> I've never heard of it.
13:52:08 <Brianetta> where it refers to being four seconds, and not the slightest fraction longer
13:52:33 <Brianetta> Gekz: More comon, definitely
13:52:42 <Gekz> in no flat isn't grammatically correct.
13:53:12 <Brianetta> in no flat did I have gas
13:53:16 <TrueBrain> go to #lang or what ever
13:53:34 <Gekz> TrueBrain: the op did it.
13:53:37 * Brianetta dips TrueBrain in purple ink
13:53:40 * Celestar should play less Q3A
13:53:45 * Belugas ponders renaming #openttd for #controversy
13:54:06 <TrueBrain> Belugas: I vote yes
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14:22:43 <Belugas> heheh Mortal does not want to miss a single line of waht's been said in here...
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14:23:12 <TrueBrain> @kick Guest1557 One mortal goes out to play, 2 left
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14:26:32 <Belugas> i love it when he's brutal like that heheh
14:29:47 <TrueBrain> We do not stop playing because we grow old;
14:29:47 <TrueBrain> we grow old because we stop playing.
14:30:08 <Gekz> we grow old because oxygen is causing the aging process.
14:32:19 <Belugas> mmh... so... when i'm on apnea, i stop my aging process?
14:33:10 <Belugas> i think i'll spend half a year practicing apnea then. So... in 20 years, i'll just be 10 more years old
14:33:17 <TrueBrain> Gekz: in fact, that is very wrong. We age because of splitting our cells because they need to reproduce, which causes minor damage to a given thingy, which makes us get older
14:33:22 <Belugas> nice... envetyually, yuo'll all going to catch me up
14:33:33 <TrueBrain> Belugas: hehehehehe :)
14:33:42 <Belugas> hooo... shhooooo!!! bummer!!!!!
14:33:56 <Belugas> all my illusions are now vanishing :(
14:34:19 <TrueBrain> *** but I will not sleep, in this bed of lies ***
14:36:44 <Belugas> Bon Jovi - Bed or Roses
14:44:43 <Belugas> is... baaa... do not mind
14:45:08 <Belugas> is a Belugas who thinks too much and even overthink where ther is nothing to think about
14:47:36 <Belugas> proof is, you're still here :D
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14:48:32 <TrueBrain> *** and I feel like something is going to give ***
14:54:31 <peter1138> Yay, a lenny kernel fixed my server problem :D
14:56:12 <peter1138> Performanced sucked with 4GB, but was okay with 2 or 3GB
14:57:15 <peter1138> Most likely an old buggy BIOS. I did try to update it first but it wasn't having any of it.
14:57:48 <peter1138> HP's tools denied there being an update, despite me having downloaded one. Although that was after millions of 404 links on HP's site.
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15:05:18 <FauxFaux> There's an etchnhalf kernel if you want to stick with stable.
15:10:32 <Sacro> right, I need an RCS locally
15:10:36 <Sacro> what do people recommend and why?
15:11:23 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: unt warum?
15:12:35 <TrueBrain> this really became a VCS advisory channel :p
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15:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hg, being distributed, might be easier to synchronise
15:14:21 <TrueBrain> Sacro: it depends very much on what you are going to do with it, and what the group of users is
15:14:33 <Sacro> TrueBrain: user is just me
15:14:38 <TrueBrain> 'hg' is fast, lightweighted and locally enabled very fast
15:14:43 <TrueBrain> svn is more commonly known
15:14:56 <TrueBrain> 'hg init' creates the repos
15:15:03 <Sacro> i want to be able to access it on multiple machines
15:15:03 <TrueBrain> much easier than 'svnadmin create' on some place
15:15:10 <TrueBrain> then in your work-dir do a checkout ...
15:15:13 <Sacro> so ideally centrally hosted
15:15:21 <Sacro> and preferably VS200x integration
15:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "You need to uninstall SimCity 4 before installing SimCity 4 Deluxe" <- wtf?
15:15:48 <TrueBrain> I have no idea about any integration with VS
15:16:12 <TrueBrain> I use 'hg' for a while now professional, even to push data to clients, works very well :)
15:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, Sacro, like the chemical element
15:17:16 <Sacro> * Files that are checked in to repository are marked as Read-Only
15:17:16 <Sacro> * No support for operations specific for Mercurial: push, pull, clone, MQ, etc..
15:17:16 <Sacro> * No support for Get revision
15:17:46 * Sacro really needs to have version control
15:17:53 <Sacro> as I have a habit of mass deleting old code
15:18:39 <TrueBrain> [17:17] <Sacro> * No support for operations specific for Mercurial: push, pull, clone, MQ, etc.. <- what? Lol! That are the basic functions of Mercurial ... what is left? :p
15:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause> push/pull is for synchronising repositories, update/commit is for working copy<->local repository
15:19:13 <Sacro> I have AnkhSVN and that seems quite nice
15:21:52 <Sacro> * Support for basic operations: Add, Remove, CheckIn, CheckOut, Rename,
15:21:52 <Sacro> * File history dialog with support of file differencing
15:21:52 <Sacro> * Support tracking of file renames in file history dialog
15:21:52 <Sacro> * Support external file comparison tools (use plugin options at
15:21:54 <Sacro> Tools->Options->Source Control->HgSccProvider->Advanced)
15:21:55 <Sacro> * Support for Pending Checkins
15:21:57 <Sacro> * In commit dialog you can check the files for checkin. Also you can compare
15:21:59 <Sacro> files in commit dialog to see the changes with previous revision
15:22:26 <peter1138> Hmm, I guess I just need to buy a pair of large HDDs...
15:23:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i love these message boxes... "Do you want to uninstall?" - "Ja"/"Nein" :p
15:23:59 <Sacro> Nine? Blackadder certainly has his work cut out for him
15:24:34 <TrueBrain> Sacro: just give it a try, and if you don't like it, use SVN
15:28:22 <Belugas> there is one? ho my !
15:29:23 <peter1138> Uh, now I have this server working... what was I going to do with it?
15:30:00 <Sacro> peter1138: openttd nightly wiht ukrs
15:33:45 <peter1138> Hmm, I should install a compiler D:
15:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... shit... the installer crashes in wine...
15:35:17 <Chrill> Brianetta: the standard server's passed 2050 without bein restarted!
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15:35:30 <Chrill> which your webbie says we should let you know
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15:36:45 <Sacro> Chrill: there is more than 1 admin
15:36:47 <peter1138> Oh, no makedepend... That's unfair.
15:37:02 * peter1138 ponders running autopilot
15:37:06 <Chrill> well sowwies Sacro. he was here so i highlighted him :P
15:37:23 <Chrill> you are but his name is higher in -->
15:37:36 <peter1138> Damn, this server is slower than my Q6600 ;(
15:37:43 <Chrill> also, Brianetta is sexier than you, Ben
15:39:12 <peter1138> Hmm, no support for dedicated servers without graphics yet :(
15:39:53 <fjb> What happned to the discussion about making vehicle costs an extended byte?
15:40:00 <TrueBrain> peter1138: I have a patch! :p
15:41:02 <TrueBrain> a 2 year old patch by now :p
15:42:58 <peter1138> Hah, it still needs that sample.cat :p
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15:43:35 <TrueBrain> you said _graphics_ ;)
15:44:38 <peter1138> openttd: /home/petern/ottd/nightly/src/spritecache.cpp:489: const void* GetRawSprite(SpriteID, SpriteType): Assertion `sprite < _spritecache_items' failed.
15:44:45 <peter1138> Ok, this isn't going to work that easily ;)
15:45:05 <TrueBrain> you expected anything else? :)
15:45:05 <peter1138> dbg: [sprite] Reading grf-file 'null.grf'
15:45:05 <peter1138> dbg: [sprite] Currently 0 sprites are loaded
15:45:05 <peter1138> dbg: [sprite] Reading grf-file 'null.grf'
15:45:05 <peter1138> dbg: [sprite] Currently 4793 sprites are loaded
15:45:19 <peter1138> TrueBrain, I expected a different error earlier...
15:45:24 <peter1138> My null.grf is a 0 byte file ;)
15:47:49 <TrueBrain> haha, then I agree with you ;)
15:47:50 <ccfreak2k> I wonder if I can fix Tiberius's patch pack.
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15:50:22 <peter1138> Although nothing is set up...
15:51:31 <Ammler> TrueBrain: can't you rewrite the url without showing the language code?
15:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> why oh why doesn't this work?
15:52:23 <TrueBrain> Ammler: why would I want that?
15:52:27 <peter1138> Ammler, if it doesn't show the language code, how is it rewritten?
15:52:49 <Ammler> TrueBrain: if you copy&paste urls from address bar...
15:53:24 <TrueBrain> Ammler: yeah, I will hack your browser to do that for you
15:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause> store the language in the cookie instead of in the url?
15:53:54 <Ammler> if I call openttd.org, it does redirect to my language, doesn't?
15:54:29 <Ammler> but if I call the link, peter1138 just pasted, it won't
15:55:14 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: cookies are not a real option, this website works on all browsers, including thsoe without javascript, and which block cookies :)
15:55:30 <TrueBrain> soon it will store your last language in the cookie, so you are directed to it on your visit
15:55:36 <TrueBrain> as I get annoyed by seeing Dutch every time :p
15:55:41 <TrueBrain> but that is optional
15:55:44 <TrueBrain> the urls will stay how they are
15:57:33 <Ammler> TrueBrain: it does already redirect here...
15:59:15 * peter1138 looks for things to tweak on his server.
15:59:31 <TrueBrain> I always wonder why people worry about things that are not active ... oh well
16:00:06 <Ammler> omg, I just asked, sorry about...
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16:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, apparently the crash might be in dxdiag
16:01:56 <Ammler> Don't always take everything as a complaint.
16:02:19 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I didn't, else I wouldn't used the word: 'worry'
16:02:25 <TrueBrain> it just amuzes me, that is all
16:03:17 <TrueBrain> so I guess I can say to you: don't take everything so offensive, it is not meant all bad
16:03:32 <TrueBrain> but then again, I can conclude, that IRC sucks, as it misses non-verbal communication
16:03:33 <peter1138> Hmm, my /proc/kcore is not the same size as the memory....
16:04:16 <TrueBrain> peter1138: sounds bad
16:04:23 <Ammler> yeah, I know, specially, if you don't have a lot of different words in your mind... ;-)
16:05:05 <peter1138> Of course, I don't need 4GB, but it had it, so...
16:05:42 <TrueBrain> Ammler: different words in your mind?
16:05:57 <Ammler> my vocabulary is quite limited :-)
16:06:20 <TrueBrain> we all have that problem from time to time ;)
16:07:28 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: btw, it is good to have the language in the url, makes search engines index the other languages too, which makes people searching for stuff in their native language find OpenTTD too :)
16:10:20 <TrueBrain> bah, I really need a 8 GB USB Stick if I want to install OS X here ...
16:10:24 <TrueBrain> I really don't have a DVD Drive :p
16:10:30 <TrueBrain> (not even a CDRom ...)
16:11:16 <Ammler> don't you have usb drives?
16:11:38 <TrueBrain> of course .. who doesn't :p
16:11:45 <TrueBrain> or what kind of drives do you mean?
16:11:58 <Ammler> hmm, usb harddisks maybe :-)
16:12:11 <TrueBrain> I have those, but how does that help?
16:12:31 <TrueBrain> hmm, if I could paritionse them, maybe ..
16:12:33 <peter1138> Hmm, my built nightly is 72MB :o
16:12:35 <TrueBrain> too much data on it :p
16:13:23 <TrueBrain> the latest nightly release is a total of 102 MiB ...
16:14:21 <Metalcore> how do most of you organize your vehicle groups?
16:15:02 <TrueBrain> lol 10GiB of binaries we already have on binaries.openttd.org :) Ghehehe :) Increases with 100 MiB per night, or 200 MiB if NoAI compiles too ... :p
16:15:22 <TrueBrain> we run out of diskspace in 900 days :p
16:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> disk space doubles almost every year, so you should be fine :p
16:15:50 <TrueBrain> or 450, depending on how long NoAI stays and compiles :p
16:16:13 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that doesn't happen ... just like that :p
16:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause> but... i have been told so!!
16:16:36 <TrueBrain> but we are fine :) As after 30 days, the size of a nightly is reduced to 2 MiB :p
16:16:49 <TrueBrain> which gives us 45000 days
16:16:54 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 122.950819672
16:17:15 <TrueBrain> peter1138: all binaries are removed, source tars remain
16:17:23 <TrueBrain> the bz2, to be exact
16:17:29 <murray> @calc integrate(F(x)=x^2)
16:17:29 <DorpsGek> murray: Error: keyword can't be an expression (<string>, line 1)
16:18:07 <TrueBrain> DINNER TIME!!! :) :) :)
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16:19:17 <grasmanek94> can somebody help me with a little problem?
16:19:25 <Ammler> TrueBrain: another, only question, about the binaries archive, why does it need so many different archive formats?
16:19:36 <Ammler> is there a linux os without support for bzip2?
16:19:48 <murray> grasmanek94: just ask the question
16:19:55 <grasmanek94> no i want to know where i can dwnload hight maps or how to make them
16:20:12 <Eddi|zuHause> grasmanek94: search in the forum
16:20:16 <Ammler> grasmanek94: there is a nice tut on the formus, afaik
16:20:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a sticky, i believe
16:20:49 <grasmanek94> u may give the lnk?
16:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> forum.openttd.org
16:21:25 <grasmanek94> a more precised lnk
16:21:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it's only two clicks away from there...
16:22:00 <grasmanek94> ok i go take a look
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16:22:20 <peter1138> Ammler, yes, one that's just been installed.
16:22:54 <Ammler> must be debian then :P
16:25:01 <TrueBrain> [18:19] <Ammler> is there a linux os without support for bzip2? <- yes, any debian out of the box
16:25:57 <TrueBrain> [18:19] <Ammler> TrueBrain: another, only question, about the binaries archive, why does it need so many different archive formats <- mostly, because we can
16:26:09 <TrueBrain> there is no real reason to produce so many binaries every night .. but we can, so why wouldn't we?
16:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... for being knight rider, it's going unbelievably slow ...
16:26:33 <TrueBrain> some people flavor .zip, oehter .tar.gz, others .tar.bz2 .. well .. they can pick what ever they want with us ;)
16:26:35 <Ammler> TrueBrain: because you do not keep them forever...
16:26:47 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: 377 mph, slow? :p
16:26:53 <TrueBrain> Ammler: there are limits ;)
16:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> no, 14kb/s slow :p
16:27:07 <Ammler> Rubidium: spoke from 1-2 months...
16:27:15 <TrueBrain> you should leech from me :p
16:27:20 <TrueBrain> oh, my food is burning (again)
16:27:23 <TrueBrain> I should close IRC when cooking ..
16:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> there is this genious invention, it's a clock timer that you can set to X minutes, and it rings, before the food burns
16:29:05 * peter1138 prods at Brianetta-space
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16:55:27 <Metalcore> does YAPP present a better way to create passing loops?
16:55:43 <Metalcore> assuming there are no other signals on the line
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17:30:43 <TrueBrain> oh no, it is an orudge
17:31:00 <TrueBrain> orudge: you have something in your nose
17:31:02 * Belugas looks at TrueBrain right between the eyes, raises an eyebrow, takes a deep breath and go surfing on TrueBrain's wawve :D
17:31:07 <orudge> that'd be because I am a lion
17:31:30 <TrueBrain> orudge: does that supose to scare me?
17:32:08 <orudge> perhaps I could pretend to be the Mac OS X SDK
17:32:20 <orudge> maybe that'll scare you? :D
17:32:20 <orudge> or at least, frustrate you
17:32:49 <TrueBrain> lol, I am watching The Wrong Door (S01E01) ... very cool intro :p
17:33:08 <orudge> I am preparing to go to the US for the weekend
17:33:22 <TrueBrain> what are you going to do there?
17:33:24 <orudge> except my flight is at a silly time in the morning
17:33:29 <orudge> so I'm going to be very tired
17:33:37 <orudge> I'm being paid to go to WineConf, which is nice.
17:33:57 <orudge> OpenTTDConf? Paid for by donations? ;)
17:34:24 <TrueBrain> have fun being there ;)
17:34:33 <orudge> I'm literally getting on a plane at 6am though (which means leaving here about 2am), getting in about 1pm there, then the conference on Saturday and Sunday, getting back on the plane at about 7pm Sunday, and back here Monday afternoon
17:34:38 <orudge> so it'll be very hectic and tiring, methinks
17:36:56 <TrueBrain> at least buy a Mac there ;)
17:37:16 <orudge> the second-to-last time I went to the US, I bought a new iPod
17:37:22 <orudge> what I want this time is some more hard disk storage
17:37:36 <orudge> although, when I went to the US the first time and brought back a hard disk, it died within about 2 weeks.T
17:37:40 <orudge> The replacement disk also didn't work
17:37:44 <orudge> the replacement for that, touch wood, is still working
17:37:49 <peter1138> Hmm, are the difficulty setting numbers documented anywhere?
17:37:59 <orudge> they're not documented as such
17:38:04 <orudge> but it's fairly obvious
17:38:09 <orudge> at least, I figured them all out for the UTTGR and other tools
17:38:36 <orudge> you should know that by now, I go on about it enough at times :p
17:39:00 <peter1138> I never pay any attention to what anyone ever says.
17:39:24 <TrueBrain> peter1138: at least you are honest about that :p
17:40:19 <orudge> I do tend to pay attention, then I just forget it
17:40:56 <peter1138> Actually yes, that's more likely :)
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17:45:45 <ccfreak2k> Why is applying a patch using Kompare such a pain in the ass?
17:46:20 <Eddi|zuHause> why don't you simply apply a patch with patch?
17:46:45 <ccfreak2k> Because the patch doesn't apply against new revisions of openttd, so I want to see what's wrong and make the necessary corrections.
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17:49:43 <Ammler> frosch123: not wrong OpenTTD is the "next Patch" :-P
17:50:16 <frosch123> I fear mb bashing me :)
17:50:46 <Ammler> yeah, I thought the same :-)
17:52:14 <frosch123> though I would expect, that the ctrl-clicking would also apply to ttdp
17:53:07 <Ammler> there are at least settings for...
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17:59:06 <ccfreak2k> PERSONAL_DIR=\"OpenTTD\";WITH_ASSERT"
17:59:47 <TrueBrain> depends greatly on what you expect it to do
17:59:52 <TrueBrain> but most likely it is not what you want
18:00:21 <TrueBrain> (as it makes no sense at all)
18:01:17 <ccfreak2k> Actually, it's for VisualC project files which are XML IIRc.
18:01:25 <ccfreak2k> So it probably is legal,
18:02:32 <TrueBrain> legal, most likely, just doubtful that what you want, or expect it to do
18:02:56 <ccfreak2k> According to the patch, that specific part already exists in the original openttf vcproj file.
18:11:45 <Metalcore> is there a way to say that a vehicle should only pick up passengers bound for a certain destination?
18:13:42 <ccfreak2k> Lots of rejected files by patch.
18:13:46 <ccfreak2k> Better get started..
18:21:19 <peter1138> Hmm, what happened to the compile?
18:22:47 <peter1138> Right, UKRS nightly up and running :D
18:23:16 <peter1138> Seems to be yesterdays, unless I can't read.
18:23:24 <TrueBrain> peter1138: maybe because the current is still running?
18:23:30 <TrueBrain> takes 25 minutes for it to complete
18:23:56 <TrueBrain> so a minute of 2, and it should be done
18:24:04 <TrueBrain> nothing new there, it always completed around 20:30
18:24:36 <Metalcore> with cargodest, will subsidies still be taken if there's an intermediate stop?
18:25:02 <peter1138> TrueBrain, just it used to update the nightly page incrementally ;)
18:25:24 <TrueBrain> peter1138: there is no longer a view inside the current compile
18:25:33 <TrueBrain> well, there will be a page which shows that, but nothing that shows up on the main page
18:25:45 <TrueBrain> when it is done, it is published, and everything is updated
18:27:19 <TrueBrain> [2008-09-25 18:26:52] Task 0000114 finished
18:27:19 <TrueBrain> [2008-09-25 18:26:52] Job 0000375 finished in 397 seconds
18:27:19 <TrueBrain> [2008-09-25 18:26:52][Thread 3] Job 0000375 finished
18:27:19 <TrueBrain> [2008-09-25 18:27:08] Scheduled task 0000007 finished
18:27:37 <TrueBrain> [2008-09-25 18:00:00] Scheduled task 0000007 started
18:27:37 <TrueBrain> [2008-09-25 18:00:05] Task 0000114 created (svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk, r14398)
18:27:40 <TrueBrain> it was a bit slow today :)
18:28:38 <ccfreak2k> I have a question about coding style.
18:28:53 <ccfreak2k> If most of the source files are C++, why are C-style comments used?
18:29:10 <peter1138> We like C-style comments.
18:29:44 <Rubidium> because changing compiler is easier than changing style
18:30:06 <TrueBrain> and it just looks SO MUCH better
18:30:15 <Belugas> because changing for changing is useless
18:34:15 <ccfreak2k> Did IsRailWaypointTile() change recently?
18:34:29 <Belugas> what does svn blame tells you about that?
18:34:59 <ccfreak2k> Beats me. The only SVN commands I ever use are co and update.
18:35:11 <Belugas> well.. time to learn a new one ;)
18:35:26 <Belugas> the more knowledge, the more power
18:37:41 <Rubidium> murray: then you, our almightiness, should be able to fix FS#119
18:39:02 <murray> clipping? that's easy as pie
18:39:10 <murray> however, i will not waste my brilliance on you foolish mortals
18:39:42 <Belugas> do you all feel like i do regarding murray?
18:39:48 * Rubidium waves murray good bye
18:40:58 <murray> give me a week and i'll have a patch
18:44:12 <Yexo> ccfreak2k: IsRailWaypointTile was added about a week ago iirc
18:53:05 <Belugas> Yexo, i wonder if that would mean "thanks"
18:53:51 <Yexo> Belugas: that or it lacks a question mark
18:54:38 <Belugas> a primitive question mark, like pre-histoic men would say :D
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18:58:44 <Belugas> yup, IsRailwaypointTile was ADDED to trunk in r14280 by Smatz
19:00:22 <Belugas> and it is unchanged since then
19:00:59 <frosch123> You should have used "svn praise" :)
19:05:22 <ccfreak2k> I think I'm gonna give up on Tiberius's patch pack for now.
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19:09:02 <ccfreak2k> There aren't enough hours in the day. >:|
19:09:20 <Rexxars> truer words were never spoken
19:10:20 <Belugas> except when you're still at work. Then, you think there is WAY too much hours a day
19:10:41 <Rexxars> not if you have an awesome job, like me
19:11:07 <Bjarni> Rexxars: what is your job then?
19:11:13 <ccfreak2k> I don't MIND my job; it's just that it consumes time in my day that would probably be better spent doing something else.
19:11:20 <FauxFaux> There are if you get your sleep down to 5h/night.
19:11:31 <Rexxars> I develop web applications :)
19:11:41 <FauxFaux> Then there just aren't enough in the night. :p
19:14:14 <planetmaker> good evening OpenTTD :)
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19:23:14 <Belugas> a job is always as fun as it can be when pressure is not applied to you, or when you are your own boss and can say fuck you to stupid customers
19:25:05 <planetmaker> it's nice to come back after a week and see again so much progress :)
19:25:15 <planetmaker> many bug fixes and even a new rc !
19:26:10 <Nite_Owl> If you own your own business and say "fuck you" to your customers (most of which are going to be stupid) you will not be in business long
19:26:57 <peter1138> And then you'll have lots of free time :D
19:28:48 <Ammler> frosch123: he does use already the "new patch" ;-)
19:30:17 <peter1138> 16:29 Sacro> peter1138: openttd nightly wiht ukrs
19:30:22 <peter1138> The least he could do is play on it :o
19:32:03 <frosch123> Ammler: hehe, though I guess he did not understood my edit :p
19:32:55 <peter1138> He who what where why when how?
19:33:44 <Ammler> a german guy thinks OpenTTD is the "next/new" Patch :-
19:33:55 <peter1138> Oh, on your silly German forums, I bet?
19:34:07 <Belugas> one thing for sure, that could not be MB
19:34:24 <Ammler> yeah, we wait for his comments about :-)
19:34:33 <planetmaker> :P yeah, not MB, I guess...
19:35:48 <peter1138> You guys should write in English on those forums so that everyone can read it.
19:36:16 <Ammler> that is our private comedy :P
19:37:01 <peter1138> 'OpenTTD can now DOS and Windows GRFs "mix"'
19:37:11 <planetmaker> peter: you should learn German :P
19:37:14 <peter1138> You've infected Google translator with your ludicrous grammar.
19:37:34 <stillunknown> Anyone know if there are well thoughout combinations of newgrf's (for openttdcoop's pack for example)?
19:37:40 <Ammler> german is also not my native language
19:37:47 <Metalcore> i've taken three years of german <_<
19:38:12 <glx> Ammler: what's your native language then?
19:38:35 <planetmaker> some incomprehensible mountain-derivative of German :P
19:38:59 <glx> I think there are 3 languages in ch
19:39:38 <planetmaker> glx: the Switzerdütch is nearly worth to be considered a language on its own as it's virtually impossible to understand that dialect, even if you're German native speaker.
19:39:47 <planetmaker> It's to me as comprehensible as Dutch.
19:40:15 <glx> I don't count Switzerdütch in the 3 languages ;)
19:41:21 <Ammler> glx: germans don't understand us, does it count then as it's own language?
19:42:15 <Ammler> hmm, I should first read up, before replying...
19:43:02 <planetmaker> :P sorry Ammler :) I couldn't resist my sloppy description of Switzerdütch :)
19:43:12 <TrueBrain> peter1138: turn up the heat
19:43:47 <peter1138> I'd have to turn it on first.
19:43:54 <Ammler> we use the german for writings, so it is not a excuse for me, anyway :-)
19:43:58 <TrueBrain> peter1138: sounds like a plan
19:44:01 <TrueBrain> write a patch for it!
19:44:11 <Nite_Owl> stillunknown: The choices are yours to make. The usually setup is to pick a country or region and then load all of the grfs that apply to it.
19:44:57 <Ammler> [21:38] <glx> I think there are 3 languages in ch <-- you might have forgotten roman (derivate of latin)
19:46:14 <glx> Ammler: hmm right, French, German, Italian + another one
19:46:20 <Nite_Owl> oops - The usual setup
19:46:43 <Wolf01> eheh I'm having fun with my new wacom bamboo :D
19:46:43 <Ammler> my ) is upcase 9 and almost broken
19:46:53 <stillunknown> Nite_Owl: any good road vehicle sets?
19:47:54 <peter1138> As an aside, ASCII only has uppercase numbers. Lowercase numbers are different.
19:48:02 <Wolf01> now I only need pen support to OTTD
19:48:12 <Ammler> you know, what I meant
19:49:14 <peter1138> That page demonstrates upper and lowercase numbers.
19:49:22 <Nite_Owl> stillunknown: Again either country related or my personal preference is the EGTRVS
19:50:22 <Wolf01> you really should try to play OTTD with a graphic board, laying things with a pen is an orgasm :Q_
19:50:56 <blathijs> Wolf01: You mean like a pen tablet (eg wacom) ?
19:51:19 <blathijs> Wolf01: The only problem I have with that, is that the scrolling works totally counter intuitive
19:51:22 <peter1138> Hmm, I don't think even unicode has lowercase numbers :o
19:51:30 <blathijs> Or was that fixed since I last tried it?
19:51:35 <Nite_Owl> Oops again - That is EGRVTS
19:51:47 <peter1138> blathijs, there's a toggle for that, I believe.
19:51:51 <Wolf01> you can set the scrolling direction
19:52:11 <blathijs> Yeah, but even when the direction is correct, it is still accelerated, which feels wrong with a pen
19:52:12 <Ammler> nice page, thanks peter1138
19:52:21 <blathijs> at least in my experience
19:53:16 <Wolf01> if you use a pen as a mouse set the mouse acceleration option
19:53:49 <Wolf01> I can't use the pen in pen mode, unless I can see what I'm clicking on, like on touch screens
19:54:20 <Wolf01> *unless (WTF?) -> until
19:57:31 <Nite_Owl> Sweden does have a very high suicide rate
19:57:58 <Bjarni> not as high as Finland
19:58:15 <Bjarni> Finland has the highest rate of suicides in the world
19:59:15 <blathijs> Wolf01: I use my tablet in pen mode, since having it in mouse mode drives my crazy (especially with acceleration on)
19:59:40 <blathijs> My girlfriend uses that, so I usually use the touchpad instead, when working on her laptop :-)
20:00:05 <Nite_Owl> Seasonal darkness disorder - or whatever it is called
20:06:20 <Metalcore> seasonal affective disorder
20:06:52 <Nite_Owl> Thank you - I thought I had it wrong
20:09:27 <Bjarni> how can you have a darkness disorder?
20:11:32 <Metalcore> absorbing too much light?
20:13:31 <Nite_Owl> Too much time spent in the dark causes depression. If you have longer periods of darkness (days, weeks, months) the closer you get to the arctic circle then the more depressed you get and the more suicidal. Of course none of that applies to Nite Owls.
20:28:24 * Nite_Owl killed the conversation once again
20:31:44 <Prof_Frink> Yeah, but you have mountains.
20:31:59 <Prof_Frink> Mountains make me non-depressed.
20:37:49 <Belugas> Ho to live on Sugar Mountains.
20:38:09 <Belugas> with the flowers and the color ballons
20:38:34 <Belugas> yea, color, and not colour, since it's Neil Young who sang that
20:38:49 <Belugas> and he's canado-americam
20:40:14 * Prof_Frink is going to play with mountains at the weekend
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20:46:37 <Bjarni> you should take better care with your balloon near that cactus
20:47:20 <ln> Wolf01|AWAY: no away nicks
20:48:08 <Bjarni> don't make such loud and sudden noises :(
20:48:38 <Belugas> (that was me whispering sorry)
20:49:37 <Bjarni> sorry is 5 letters, not 4 :P
20:49:51 <Belugas> since when i do not make typos?????
20:50:16 <Bjarni> you make them all the time
20:50:53 <Bjarni> makes me wonder about your code
20:51:08 <Prof_Frink> makes me wonder about your cock
20:51:09 <Bjarni> I mean the version you try to compile before showing it to the rest of us
20:51:25 <Belugas> code is fine, but i would not say the same about my comments :)
20:51:54 <Belugas> you know, when i show something during the day, 99% chances it willnot compile ;)
20:52:27 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: this isn't the normal internet. Here we allow intelligence and we don't have to put sex into everything
20:52:42 <Prof_Frink> The interporn is for net.
20:53:40 <SmatZ> src/console_internal.h: * eg. 'say "hello sexy boy"'
20:53:47 <SmatZ> the only "sex" in OTTD sources
20:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause> <Belugas> a job is always as fun as it can be when pressure is not applied to you <- i tend to not get anything done at all when i have no pressure
20:54:15 * Belugas does not put sex into "everything" out of internet either... dunno waht's the usual practive for Bjarni...
20:54:23 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> except lang files <-- now that makes me wonder about the quality of the translations
20:55:03 <orudge> "Error: cannot remove clothes from body" as a translation of "cannot remove obstacles on land"?
20:55:18 <orudge> Belugas sex doesn't sex put sex sex sex into sex everything sex?
20:55:25 * Bjarni locks Eddi|zuHause in a pressure chamber and raises the pressure by 500%
20:55:27 <SmatZ> "Finansexperter" in swedish.txt and desexa/sexa in galician.txt
20:55:36 <orudge> Prof_Frink: that's implied by "orudge", no?
20:55:42 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: now you should be able to do something out of the ordinary
20:56:27 <SmatZ> orudge: sex sexn't sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex?
20:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> 'did you mean: "smurf"?'
20:56:53 <Bjarni> * Belugas does not put sex into "everything" out of internet either... dunno waht's the usual practive for Bjarni... <-- I was trying to reach Prof_Frink. I had to state what the truth is in his point of view or he would have though that I was making it all up
20:57:23 <Bjarni> SmatZ: you sound like a sexy smurf
20:57:40 <Bjarni> I have yet to encounter one of those though
20:57:51 <Bjarni> never thought about that concept before
20:58:03 <Prof_Frink> alan@frinkpad:~/src/openttd/trunk/src/lang$ grep -i bork swedish.txt
20:58:03 <Prof_Frink> alan@frinkpad:~/src/openttd/trunk/src/lang$
20:58:10 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, something's wrong there
20:59:07 <Belugas> ? you're not Alan, as far as i remember :S
20:59:12 <Belugas> Hello anyway, SmatZ :)
21:00:08 <Bjarni> and why do you talk to somebody who isn't here?
21:00:22 * Belugas sends glasses to Bjarni and asks him to scroll back a few moments
21:02:32 <Prof_Frink> I'm cunnili-never mind.
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21:10:26 <Nite_Owl> Were you trying to say that you are a cunning linguist
21:10:55 <Yexo> what is the current status of cargodest?
21:11:43 <Ammler> My guess ;-) (replace boost and it will go to trunk :-)
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21:59:26 <Bjarni> now the channel died :(
22:09:36 <Nite_Owl> Just consider it an extended LULL in the conversation
22:18:27 <Bjarni> the next guy not say anything will be kicked
22:18:38 *** Prof_Frink was kicked by DorpsGek (Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.)
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22:19:00 <Prof_Frink> Was the obvious thing to do.
22:27:57 <glx> would have been fun with me not in the channel
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22:52:05 <Nite_Owl> Feeding time - L8r all
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