IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2008-05-27
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00:14:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13280 /trunk/src/ (bridge_gui.cpp group_gui.cpp sortlist_type.h): -Fix (r13276): MSVC compilation was broken
00:29:20 <De_Ghosty> lol that reminds me of like last wek
00:29:28 <De_Ghosty> i saw this guy's name chinese gold farmer
00:29:34 <De_Ghosty> it was a fps game tho
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00:51:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: richk * r13281 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (162 files in 18 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Sync: with trunk r13145:13280. Includes support for Noise Level on Prop 24 in .grf files.
04:01:34 <De_Ghosty> what's a good proggy to tunnel with?
04:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> is the wiki down?
04:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> indeed, it works now... got timeouts before
04:47:52 <hylje> i've been way lazy when it came to that
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08:17:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13282 /branches/noai/src/settings_gui.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix [FS#2044]: crash of configure patches dialog.
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09:25:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13283 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: convert the inheritance of GUIList in PlayerStationsWindow to a member object
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09:52:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13284 /branches/noai/src/ (41 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Change r13272: make the auto-free-pointers much more general, so in the future we can use it for other things, and not limited to strings
09:57:40 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13285 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: station sorting uses GUILists Sort() now
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10:27:54 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13286 /trunk/src/ (sortlist_type.h station_gui.cpp): -Codechange: GUIList Sort returns now if the list sequence has been altered
10:28:49 <Grek> that doesn't make any sense
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10:30:28 <Grek> either it "now returns wether the list sequence has been altered or not." or it returns "now", whatever that is
10:31:07 <Noldo> now GUIList Sort returns if the... (earlier it didn't)
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11:44:33 <Forked> I think I had some bots on my forum .. 280 users.. a couple of days ago most online at once was 12ish .. now suddenly .. 179
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12:16:36 <dih> Gekz: you should get yourself checked out man!
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12:17:56 <dih> are you always that annoying?
12:18:20 <Gekz> are you always questioning people's personality disorders?
12:20:38 * dih ignores *@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au
12:20:44 <dih> thankfully a static ip :-P
12:21:04 <Forked> the host might be a lie
12:21:12 <Forked> like mine is.. I don't have vdsl2 anymore :(
12:21:38 <dih> as long as i dont have to read the gibberish
12:22:06 <Sacro> Forked: the cake is a lie
12:22:16 <Forked> oh now I have to play the theme
12:22:22 <Forked> or rather - ending credits
12:22:32 <Forked> this was a triumph! I'm making a note here, huge success
12:23:13 <Forked> ..except the ones who are dead
12:24:12 <dih> Sacro: bit of an odd line there... but thankfully we are all used to that from you :-P
12:24:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13287 /trunk/ (10 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: move engine list gui code away from engine.cpp (and its headers) to engine_gui.cpp
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12:35:22 <planetmaker> Well... CIA-3 is that here, too :)
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13:01:23 <Belugas> 've read an article earlier today on the way we tend to overexagerate the consequences of our decisions. Seems like i've did it a lot with the airport noise patch. I though it wold have made much more waves
13:01:32 <Belugas> i know what to do next time...
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13:03:12 <SmatZ> well, it wasn't about OTTD, right?
13:03:21 <Belugas> no, it was on a monthly stuff
13:03:31 <Belugas> no it was about how to take decisions
13:04:03 <Belugas> pretty interesting tough
13:04:08 <SmatZ> so what was the important information?
13:05:11 <SmatZ> overexagerate - were someone thinks its worse when it actualy is?
13:05:15 <Belugas> there were plenty in fact
13:06:00 <Belugas> we are driven by our own emotioanl states too, which tends to block the actual decisions if ever we are on a bad/sad mood
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13:06:54 <Belugas> most of the time, it takes about one tenth of a second to decide once the situation has been fully envisionned
13:07:18 <Belugas> and now, i decide to got to work
13:07:35 <SmatZ> but you have to explain your decision
13:08:04 <Belugas> i have nothing to explain, as i'm my own boss (most of the time during the week) ;)
13:08:18 <Belugas> that is not true anyumore when on weekend, sadly :D
13:09:08 <SmatZ> as there are people who don't like decisions done
13:09:32 <Belugas> their opinions have been noted
13:11:07 <Belugas> mmh... maybe i should rename my airports repo now...
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13:14:57 <dih> Belugas: to BelugasRenamedAirportsRepo ?
13:18:40 <Belugas> naaa.... quite stupid, don't you think?
13:18:56 <Belugas> some thing about the next feature
13:19:35 <dih> newFeatureByBelugasForHisAirportRepo
13:19:52 <planetmaker> BelugsNewSecretFeatureBranch
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13:22:37 <Belugas> let's call it new*******
13:22:48 <Belugas> or even better*******
13:26:17 <Mchl> call it UltimateRealityFeature, so that everyone knew, you're working hard on making OTTD as close to reality as possible :P
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13:30:34 <dih> XeryusTC, tneo, planetmaker: either of you know a scalpy or scalper?
13:30:48 <Zorn> mhm.. how to place random industries in scenario editor?
13:30:55 <Belugas> what about: delaying the construction of bridges like in reality? 2 years!
13:31:00 <Belugas> for ther shortest ones!
13:31:20 <Belugas> 3 days required for laying 10 track!
13:33:01 <Belugas> In the name of Realism!
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13:48:39 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13288 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: 'Reload AI' button could be disabled when it should be enabled
13:49:06 <peter1138> in the name of realism!
13:49:15 <peter1138> let's set the daylength factor to realtime
13:49:39 <peter1138> each tile is now real size
13:49:48 <peter1138> so a tile is 1/4" across
13:50:37 <dih> lets rather use ants instead of trains or busses
13:51:22 <Belugas> yeah :) and not only will trees grow. but let's grow flowers too!
13:53:04 <dih> lets take it to the single cell level
13:54:16 <Belugas> mew game : transport nutriments, oxygen and all to all the parts of the human body, for our newborn baby/country to grow!
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13:54:46 <Belugas> so, next time anyone waves the realism flag, beware!
14:12:09 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13289 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (ai.cpp ai_gui.cpp api/ai_log.cpp): [NoAI] -Codechange: better refreshing of AIDebug window
14:18:55 <peter1138> bah, i need better speakers
14:19:03 <peter1138> one of the (hard wired) cables is crackly
14:20:44 <SpComb> buy yamaha active studio nearfield monitors
14:22:25 <peter1138> bit overkill for work
14:23:21 <Belugas> not a pleasure house...
14:23:26 <Belugas> just need isolation :)
14:23:44 <Belugas> but in fact, for some good old NIN, one requires good speakers
14:24:01 <Belugas> mine are very suited for the task, cost only 25$
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15:18:00 <dih> i would like to repeat my thought from yesterday
15:18:09 <dih> to make the config file ini standard
15:18:33 <dih> could config lines in the newgrf section include an = sign at the end of the line even if no newgrf options have been set?
15:19:05 <SmatZ> more human readable it is without "="
15:19:22 <SmatZ> what would you gain if it had "=" for all files?
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15:20:04 <dih> meaning other ini parsers can read the file decently
15:20:10 <dih> as lines with no = are ditched
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15:22:18 <Ammler> how do you escape ini files?
15:22:49 <SmatZ> I think it could be done
15:23:23 <Ammler> SmatZ: you could ottd have be compatible to read also newgrfs without
15:23:37 <Ammler> but it should at least write those
15:23:49 <SmatZ> yeah, only output would need to write additional '='
15:24:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13290 /branches/noai/src/ (ai/ai.cpp ai/ai.h oldloader.cpp players.cpp): [NoAI] -Fix: do not activate a new player when no suitable AI can be found to start it. Also, when loading a savegame, do not consider a player as AI if no suitable AI can be found for it.
15:24:40 <Ammler> is it possible that some revisions ago, it did?
15:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> originally, we banned everyone who had 5 dots
15:26:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> but then we had to increase to 7, because one provider (i believe it was tiscali) actually used that many dots
15:27:00 <dih> SmatZ: actually the default ini file commen style is ; not #
15:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> but with # you can run it with more script interpreters :p
15:28:46 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: well, it could be still a subdomain with x.y.x, doesn't mean every part needs a new hostfile.
15:30:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: well, most providers put the IP into the hostname in one way or the other, like T-Online has them in hex, others have the decimal numbers separated by -, and tiscali had the decimal numbers separated by .
15:31:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13291 /trunk/src/ (industry_gui.cpp network/network_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp): -Fix (r13266): qsort passed wrong sizeof data
15:31:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> and then attached the provider name to it
15:31:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> creating 6 dots in the hostname
15:35:47 <Sacro> shall i install debian in virtualbox
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15:59:31 <Sacro> argh god a Singaporekid
16:06:16 <De_Ghosty> anyone use ssh on top of cygwin?
16:13:32 <De_Ghosty> it ask for login as:
16:13:39 <De_Ghosty> but i don't have any login
16:13:49 <De_Ghosty> cuz it's cygwin for win
16:14:13 <hylje> maybe it wants your remote acc
16:14:30 <De_Ghosty> i don't remember ever setting that
16:14:34 <hylje> try using your windows account name
16:15:03 <De_Ghosty> authentication not avalible
16:15:30 <De_Ghosty> authentication method not avalible
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16:22:58 <Touqen> You'd need to configure logins for ssh.
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16:55:12 <Ammler> oh, I used first time make, and 2. make -j 10
16:55:24 <yorick> ok...TTS on IRC sounds wierd :o
16:55:25 <SmatZ> Ammler: you are compiling yesterdays nightly, right?
16:55:45 <glx> SmatZ: current trunk has extra const again
16:57:11 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13292 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Fix (r13285): MSVC warnings
17:07:15 <Belugas> can i silence you ? >:)
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18:08:14 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, is there some kind of major interweb roadworks?
18:09:44 <Prof_Frink> I've dropped off blitzed, the Zernebok Empire is running slow for me, and now oftc splis
18:11:01 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: no, you just fail
18:11:01 <Mchl> even my 127.0.0.1 is way slower tha usual
18:11:01 <Sacro> i dropped from freenode actually
18:12:18 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: That's what I suspected
18:15:56 <Prof_Frink> Notice the cliff face at the right hand side
18:15:59 <Sacro> well not much traffic is going
18:16:09 <Prof_Frink> (Thanks to grifferz in #hants)
18:20:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13293 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r13226): airport far from a town generated too much noise
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18:50:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13294 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Codechange: convert the inheritance of GUIList in IndustryDirectoryWindow to a member object
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19:03:20 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13295 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: remove now redundant check
19:04:43 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Bjarni> <rbeattie> If you were MEANT to understand it, we wouldn't have called it 'code'
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19:07:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> very famous quote :p
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19:32:12 <orudge> [17:57:09] <dih> orudge?? [17:58:18] <dih> [18:56] <dih> again, can donators to openttd be marked as such in tt-forums and in the server list ? <-- for administrative issues, that'd be a bit of a pain on the forums. It was decided for normal tt-forums donations that no special labels would be given. Nothing of the sort was suggested for OpenTTD before
19:32:52 <Touqen> Wasn't that question from like days ago...
19:33:08 <orudge> it was from whenever it was highlighted
19:33:11 <orudge> not sure which day it was
19:33:25 <glx> I got an HL about that too ;)
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19:44:50 <Touqen> I don't really see the need for the ego stroke either.
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19:58:54 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13296 /trunk/src/sortlist_type.h: -Fix (r13276): VL_FIRST_SORT was never reset
20:05:48 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13297 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp town.h town_cmd.cpp town_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Use GUIList for the town directory window
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20:13:48 <dih> orudge: thank you for the feedback :-)
20:25:40 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13298 /trunk/src/ (signs.cpp signs_base.h): -Codechange: remove unused _total_signs
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20:33:57 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13299 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Fix (r13286): Stations sort type isn't updated correctly
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20:37:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Bjarni
20:46:05 <Bjarni> Sacro will love this clip though
20:46:15 <Sacro> i'm sorry, orudge has posted naked ladies already
20:46:44 <Bjarni> it's not some naked ladies
20:48:43 <Bjarni> this didn't turn out as I expected
20:49:55 <Bjarni> Sacro: why do you post a link to a nudist video???
20:50:18 <Sacro> Bjarni: it is the new sigur ros video
20:50:20 * Sacro is now playing: Sigur Rós - Svefn-g-englar
20:52:47 <Bjarni> damn you really need a life if you code something like that xD
20:53:34 <Bjarni> I think she says some funny stuff
20:53:46 <Bjarni> basically it's a replacement for the windows sounds
20:53:53 <Bjarni> informing that windows has started and so on
20:54:17 <Bjarni> you can likely get those sounds as a "skin" for windows if you search long enough
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20:59:42 <Mchl> sheesh... just what exactly do I need, so that flash would work in ubuntu?
20:59:52 <Mchl> youtube crashed my firefox again...
21:00:01 <Prof_Frink> Mchl: Works fine here
21:00:20 <Mchl> i fell like i am special or something
21:00:24 <Prof_Frink> Still doesn't work in konqui, but I consider that a good thing :)
21:00:24 <Nuke2> don't start 2 instances with flash...
21:00:40 <Mchl> i'd be glad to start one :P
21:00:45 <Nuke2> it crashed my pc aswell...
21:01:14 <Mchl> let's head to iMac then, and retype the url for the movie...
21:02:34 <Bjarni> <Mchl> i fell like i am special or something <-- how can you be special when there are like 38 million of you guys?
21:02:46 <Mchl> man... momentum these things have must be enormous...
21:03:11 <Mchl> Bjarni... you mean 38mln Mchls, or 38mln people having problem with flash under ubuntu
21:03:16 <bowman> 38 million for whom youtube causes crashes? :) you'd think they'd do something about that
21:03:37 <Bjarni> so Mchl will waste time on switching computer for no purpose at all
21:04:08 <Bjarni> actually I meant 38 million Poles (isn't that what they call people from Poland?)
21:04:32 <Mchl> yes they do... but I don't understand, why did you pick it up :P
21:04:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13300 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (ai_gui.cpp api/ai_log.cpp api/ai_log.hpp): [NoAI] -Add: a scrollbar in AIDebug window.
21:05:07 <Bjarni> how can you be special when there are 38 million of you ;)
21:05:39 <Bjarni> basically special would indicate that you can't be placed in a group of somebody similar to you
21:05:47 <Mchl> and how many of them have problems playing youtube in firefox on ubuntu?
21:06:20 <Bjarni> I don't even speak their language so I can't ask them
21:06:47 <Mchl> I do, and did ask... and everybody says it is running fine at their systems :P
21:08:10 <Mchl> in this way I can fell special, don't I? ;)
21:08:52 <Mchl> hmmm... I can... can't I..
21:09:58 <Bjarni> in a way we are all unique
21:10:34 <Mchl> how about Special Air Service soldiers? they're all by definition Special, yet they often appear in groups :D
21:10:44 <Bjarni> I mean the only one with the very same DNA is your own evil twin brother
21:10:56 <Bjarni> the one that passes as you in bioscans and then fucks up stuff
21:11:36 <Bjarni> looks like an evil twin just added a newline somewhere
21:11:44 <Mchl> or the one that is the president, when you're prime minister
21:12:00 <Mchl> luckily only the president is left...
21:12:46 <Mchl> we used to have twin couple ruling the country, yes
21:13:11 <Bjarni> they were twins, right?
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21:13:46 <Bjarni> I thought you stopped being a twin if you lost your political power :s
21:14:11 <Mchl> but the other still thinks he;s got the power
21:14:49 <Mchl> and in a way he has... being twin brother of the president gives you some power...
21:15:24 <Bjarni> because now the president can be in two places at once
21:16:36 <Mchl> do you know, that when these two were a kids, they starred in a movie?
21:16:54 <Bjarni> just like Saddam Hussein could be in more than one location at once
21:17:14 <Bjarni> the spelling tool wanted to change Saddam to Sadism o_O
21:18:20 <Bjarni> it would really suck to be such a double if Saddam was hit by an assault and lost a limb
21:18:58 <Bjarni> did they treat all the doubles in the same way as they treated him?
21:19:21 <Mchl> how should I know? never been a dictator
21:19:31 <Bjarni> Mchl: the only censored thing in this channel is censorship
21:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Bjarni> in a way we are all unique <- i'm not sure about that... assuming a finite number of configurations for the universe and an infinite amount of time, there must be a configuration that appears more than once (thus forming an endless loop)
21:20:34 <Mchl> now you want monkeys to write Hamlet?
21:21:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> Mchl: no, it does not say WHICH configuration
21:21:32 <Bjarni> at one time some professor talked about teleporting people (in theory) and one student asked "but wouldn't that cause the same atom to be in more than one location at once?"
21:21:56 <Bjarni> the answer was: since atoms are all alike we don't care if we get a new one or just copy one
21:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is a good theory
21:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> but heisenberg makes this a problem on subatomaric level
21:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> offset keyboard ;)
21:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> Mchl: i know, but it's rubbish
21:23:36 <Mchl> but what you said sounded a bit like this
21:23:37 <Bjarni> Some Danish researchers managed to build a working teleporter
21:23:46 <Bjarni> but it only works on photons
21:23:46 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: That's what the heisenberb compensators are for.
21:23:47 <peter1138> my best landing yet
21:23:52 <peter1138> except it was at 300 kts :o
21:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> Prof_Frink: i have two
21:24:35 <Prof_Frink> Heisenberg. Probably the best uncertainty principle in the world.
21:25:03 <Bjarni> so if you really want you can build a huge machine that can record light somewhere and then move it to another location
21:25:08 <Mchl> don't forget about Schroedinger
21:25:37 <Mchl> that's a concept from pratchett's discworld
21:25:38 <Bjarni> they claim this can be useful for optic fiber connections
21:25:56 <Mchl> catch thelight were it is abundand, and send it where there is not enough of it
21:26:02 <Bjarni> I like the idea of Schroedinger's cat
21:26:13 <Mchl> (although in discworld theydo this with time)
21:26:27 <Bjarni> it can be in the box and it might not be in the box
21:26:37 <Prof_Frink> Schroedinger's cat is <blink>not</blink> dead.
21:26:38 <glx> shroedinbugs come from that
21:26:41 <Bjarni> but you can't tell without opening the box
21:26:48 <Prof_Frink> The *only* valid use of the <blink> tag
21:27:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> Mchl: what you stated is a problem of probability theory, what i stated was a problem of complexity theory
21:28:05 <Bjarni> <Mchl> catch thelight were it is abundand, and send it where there is not enough of it <-- actually the idea is that once you transport you destroy the original. This means that you can transport info in optic fiber cables from A to B and if somebody just as much as tried to read it in between then the info is lost
21:28:20 <Mchl> it probably depends on how exactly we state both problems
21:28:20 <Bjarni> meaning if the info is valid then nobody else have seen your data
21:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> in complexity theory, you have a Turing Machine, where the configuration of the turing machine is the state, the band position and the content of the band
21:28:38 <Bjarni> so it's not some sort of energy transport but transport of info
21:28:58 <Bjarni> and it will likely end up being really useful for transmitting secrets
21:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> when you limit the useable space on the band, you can calculate how much time you can spend in the machine before it must halt (or turn into an endless loop)
21:30:55 <Mchl> so you say, that finite number of universe configurations is like limiting the band?
21:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, we know that the number of atoms in the universe is finite
21:31:26 <Bjarni> LOL... just read the greatest news. Now the music copyright holders found somebody new to target
21:31:55 <Mchl> visit your nearby nuclearpower plant :P
21:32:04 <Bjarni> now they claim that the ISPs are making a profit from people investing in faster internet connections so they can download more music
21:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, because the energy at the Big Bang (tm) is reasonably well determined
21:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> of course they do...
21:32:19 <Mchl> nah... nuclear power plant was wrong example
21:32:31 <Bjarni> people pay for 10 mbit/sec so they can download music even faster
21:32:33 <ln> btw, greetings from Germany.
21:32:51 <Bjarni> ln: but you are using a .fi domain
21:33:01 <ln> Bjarni: i know, but i can't help it.
21:33:23 <ln> Bjarni: don't worry though, tomorrow i'll be in the Kingdom of Denmark.
21:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> and a server in Umeå, Sweden
21:33:34 <Mchl> .fr is Hamburg? <- French like hell woulf like it to be
21:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> or "platform two"?
21:34:12 <ln> yeah, i guessed, but why zwo and not zwei?
21:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's to distinguish it vocally from "drei"
21:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> "zwei" and "drei" sound much alike
21:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> and on the next lesson: "fuffzehn"/"fuffzich"
21:35:36 <ln> today i've been to e.g. Dortmund
21:36:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> i was never in dortmund
21:36:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> i wonder if google translates that to "theremouth" :p
21:36:46 <Bjarni> ohh... German station talk... when my mom was a teenager she travelled though Germany by train. At one station she looked out to figure out how far they had come and saw signs of the station name everywhere
21:36:56 <Bjarni> so she was in the town named "Gleis" :D
21:37:15 <Bjarni> she never learned what the real name of the town was
21:37:42 <Bjarni> the station had signs saying "Gleis" everywhere but no station names at all o_O
21:38:26 <Bjarni> needless to say she learned what Gleis means
21:38:31 <Bjarni> maybe even the same day
21:38:32 <Mchl> for all you ever travelling to poland: "peron" and "tor" are not cities
21:39:11 <Bjarni> funny thing was that my mom couldn't remember seeing "Gleis" on the map or in the schedule
21:39:44 <Bjarni> Mchl: I like to take a guess at what "peron" means
21:40:09 <Bjarni> it might just be a guess but I think it's the same as the Danish word "Perron"
21:40:39 <Mchl> is it the same as "peron" in polish?
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21:41:15 <Mchl> actually I never researched as to where the word come from, but is definetely not polish in origin
21:41:19 <Bjarni> It's where all the passengers spent ages waiting for delayed trains
21:41:41 <Mchl> if you mean waiting room than no :P
21:41:44 <Bjarni> they still haven't fixed that issue
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21:43:12 <Mchl> yup... wictionary says "peron" is "Perron"
21:44:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln: considering the close relation between "zwo" and "two", i'd say the word is a remnant of the "zweite Lautverschiebung", which shifted many vowel sounds, but happend mostly in the southern parts of germany, so the northern language stayed the same ("plattdeutsch"), and this is one of the words that also found entrance to the "hochdeutsch" of the southern parts
21:46:27 <Bjarni> I just googled for perron
21:46:44 <Bjarni> in English (railroad talk): Perron: a dignified exterior stairway, usually approaching the main entrance
21:46:54 <Bjarni> not entirely the same as Perron here
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21:47:32 <Bjarni> I never heard it in English though
21:47:35 <Mchl> those englishmen are sure crazy...
21:48:35 <Bjarni> I wonder if it's latin or something
21:48:47 <Mchl> now I got really interested in etymology of this word
21:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> Perron bezeichnete
21:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> * eine Freitreppe, Außen- und Vortreppe, siehe Commons: Treppen – Bilder, Videos und Audiodateien
21:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> * einen Bahnsteig (Schweizerisch, früher auch in Österreich und Deutschland gebräuchlich)
21:49:11 <Mchl> yeah... romans probalby had some intercity services :P
21:49:38 <Bjarni> not in the latin dictionary
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21:50:22 <Bjarni> (picture taken by me last weekend)
21:50:32 <ln> i don't dare to open that over GPRS from Germany.
21:50:54 <glx> Bjarni: there are crazy people everywhere :)
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21:52:42 <ln> damnit, lag. i bet it's not worth *it
21:52:48 <Bjarni> it would likely be cheaper to make it as a real picture and then snailmail it to you
21:52:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> i can't find anything about the etymology of "perron"
21:53:19 <Mchl> neither can I, and I searched in paper dictionaries already
21:53:29 <Bjarni> ln: it's a picture of 3 ferries passing each other on the way between Denmark and Sweden
21:53:52 <Bjarni> but since it has Sweden in the background you shouldn't pay to see it :P
21:54:02 <Mchl> ln: you'l be able to take your own picture :D
21:54:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> what really makes me wonder: when i search for "perron etymologie" on google, the first result is a wikipedia article about "Lolicon"...
21:54:40 <Bjarni> I heard about perverts in trains but still...
21:55:23 <ln> gotta go offline now, gute nacht alle zuschauer
21:55:50 <Bjarni> looks like ln's language has become corrupted somehow
21:56:11 <ln> ich verstehe nicht was sie bedeuten
21:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, english only ;)
21:56:46 <Bjarni> ln: why did you pick this time to pass by near me?
21:56:57 <Bjarni> I don't think I have time to actually meet you :s
21:57:13 <ln> what do i want to buy from germany (or denmark) if i have a whole car to fill with stuff?
21:57:40 <Bjarni> beer is cheaper in Germany than Denmark
21:57:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> get another car before you drive through poland :p
21:57:49 <Bjarni> and it's even more expensive in Sweden
21:58:58 <ln> and the stuff doesn't have to be alcohol
21:59:20 <Bjarni> I think Märklin is way cheaper in Germany
21:59:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> anyway, german cars are cheaper outside of germany
21:59:59 <Bjarni> coal is cheaper in Germany
22:00:31 <Bjarni> I would like to see the customers when they find a regular car filled with coal xD
22:01:25 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause3> anyway, german cars are cheaper outside of germany <-- if you live in Denmark and somehow figure out a way to buy a German car in Germany then it's way cheaper due to tax laws
22:01:38 <Bjarni> but you can't just go to Germany and buy a car and return the same day
22:02:15 <Bjarni> because if you do then you pass a limit to how much you are allowed to buy for elsewhere without paying taxes in Denmark
22:02:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> i found a paragraph on "perron" saying it is derived from french
22:02:39 <ln> but if you do pay taxes in Denmark, then there's no problem?
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22:02:47 <Mchl> <Eddi|zuHause3> get another car before you drive through poland :p <--- well... you should certainly not search for wife in Germany :P
22:02:56 <Bjarni> so while you are allowed to buy for a whole lot (like a new freezer) you can't buy a car or boat
22:03:18 <Bjarni> <ln> but if you do pay taxes in Denmark, then there's no problem? <-- yes... but the tax on new cars in Denmark is 180%
22:03:53 <Bjarni> meaning if you find a way to avoid taxes then you only pay like 1/3 of the normal price
22:04:22 <nzvip> Yeah, on white plates, Bjarni.
22:04:37 <ln> the traffic on autobahns is quite crazy now and then...
22:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln: try going eastwards on fridays :p
22:06:06 <ln> if there's some construction work going on, the temporary lanes can be veeery narrow, and speeds high, and lots of cars.
22:06:50 <ln> like 2.5-meter lanes for cars driving >100 km/h
22:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> construction sites typically limit speeds to 60km/h
22:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> except noone sticks to speed limits anyway :p
22:08:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> the right lane is always full width, but you WILL get stuck behind the next lorry
22:09:48 <ln> it's also crazy and pointless when one lorry on the left lane tries to get ahead of the one on the right.
22:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> elephant race ;)
22:10:25 <Prof_Frink> ln: You'd have fun on th M26.
22:10:30 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: I heard it is cheaper to buy a german car from america, is that true?
22:10:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> just because he can do 2km/h more ;)
22:10:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammler: with the cheap dollar, totally
22:10:42 <Bjarni> we have laws again that
22:10:45 <Mchl> german cars in america are built in mexico
22:10:47 <Prof_Frink> orudge! Motorway discussion!
22:10:51 <Bjarni> but they don't apply everywhere :(
22:11:28 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Aye, lorries aren't allowed in the right hand lane of D3+
22:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammler: you do have to pay customs fee and import taxes, also you have to refit the car for german traffic rules
22:11:35 <Prof_Frink> But the M26 is D2M throughout
22:11:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> but often it will still turn out cheaper
22:11:45 <Bjarni> Mchl: it's not like cars are only build in one place...
22:12:08 <Mchl> sterotypes are stereotypes :P
22:12:17 <Bjarni> Ford used to produce all spare parts in USA and then ship them to Denmark where they were put together to make cars for Scandinavia
22:12:19 <Ammler> some guys here go to denmark for buying a car...
22:12:53 <Bjarni> while the US factories were cheaper then shipping cars in one piece where too expensive
22:13:32 <orudge> Prof_Frink! motorways! woo!
22:13:33 <Mchl> I wonder... would be cool to buy Dannish Chevrolet Corvette?
22:13:41 <orudge> The bus to Beauvais airport went on some French motorways today
22:13:47 <orudge> the French motorways aren't too bad
22:13:47 <Bjarni> <Ammler> some guys here go to denmark for buying a car... <-- no wonder... Cars are cheap to battle the 180% tax (spare parts are expensive though) and if you come from another EU country you can avoid paying the 180% if you pay the local tax
22:13:51 <orudge> the signage could be better, though
22:14:04 <orudge> European road signs tend to be a bit rubbish compared to ours in general, IMHO
22:14:41 <Bjarni> <Mchl> I wonder... would be cool to buy Dannish Chevrolet Corvette? <-- I think they stopped putting together US cars sometime before WW2 so no Corvette
22:16:06 <Bjarni> you can buy cars built in Denmark though
22:16:18 <Bjarni> cars that are way never than that
22:16:24 <Mchl> you build any with V8 block engines?
22:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> orudge: you mean the rules-signs or the direction-signs?
22:16:31 <Bjarni> but then you have to consider how you charge the batteries all the time
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22:16:44 <orudge> Eddi|zuHause3: well, a bit of both
22:16:48 <orudge> direction signs mainly
22:17:00 <orudge> although the warning, etc, signs seem to be a bit "chunky" on the continent compared to over here
22:17:11 <Bjarni> the best direction signs that I have ever seen are in Helsingborg and points to the ferries
22:17:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> "the way out of sweden"?
22:17:43 <Bjarni> they are placed on the motorway in good time before you have to leave it and then again when you should leave it
22:18:08 <Bjarni> and after that they have a sign in every single junction so you know where to go
22:18:28 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause3> "the way out of sweden"? <-- that is what they mean but now what they say
22:18:56 <Bjarni> you see... they wanted everybody to be able to read them so they added a picture of a ferry instead of the text that we all know they wanted to write
22:19:24 <Bjarni> they also ensured two lanes all the way from the motorway to the ferry landings
22:19:51 <Bjarni> in Denmark there is only one for political reasons >_<
22:21:34 <Mchl> there's only one lane so that you could easily defend against Swedish invasion
22:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> the worst signs i ever saw were in the city of Thale (Harz) the signs towards the main station
22:22:08 <Bjarni> we can ensure that they queue up in Denmark
22:22:14 <Bjarni> making them stay longer
22:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> actually, i did not see them at all
22:22:21 <Bjarni> and block the road for us
22:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> they are just not there
22:22:54 <Bjarni> there is an island in Denmark called Mors
22:23:04 <Bjarni> I know somebody who was on it years ago
22:23:25 <Bjarni> and they asked one of the locals for directions because it would appear that the whole island didn't have a single direction sign
22:23:37 <Bjarni> and asked the local about the lack of signs
22:23:58 <Bjarni> he replied "it would be a waste of money. Everybody knows every single road so we don't need them"
22:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't suppose they get a lot of tourists :p
22:24:35 <Mchl> road signs spoil landscapes, everbody knows that
22:24:47 <Bjarni> they added signs later on
22:25:06 <Bjarni> like after they got a bridge so the non-locals could invade
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22:29:07 <Mchl> well... in Poland they have built a motorway, but decided not to build gas stations
22:29:25 <Mchl> apparently believing that everyone on motorway would have his own fuel
22:33:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> they probably have laws about the amount of gas stations required per km ;)
22:34:49 <Bjarni> <Mchl> apparently believing that everyone on motorway would have his own fuel
22:35:17 <Bjarni> I pressed space and then it just sent the line
22:35:38 <Mchl> it's this time of year again
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22:36:27 <Bjarni> <Mchl> apparently believing that everyone on motorway would have his own fuel <--- Polish motorways were built by communists.... maybe the plan was to ensure that all cars were nuclear powered
22:36:57 <Mchl> well... actually no (proper) motorways were built in communism
22:37:13 <Mchl> the one I am reffering to is fairly new (and a pretty good one)
22:37:46 <Mchl> the lack of gas stations is as usual result of quarrels over who would earn money building and operating them
22:39:01 <Bjarni> but you shouldn't use oil based vehicles anymore
22:39:04 <Mchl> when travelling on A2 in Poland, make sure you top your tanks on the last gas station (it's the one with cars queing)
22:39:09 <Bjarni> you should use solar powered ones
22:39:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> the "autobahn" system is mostly contributed to the national socialists (who used them as a means to counter unemployment) before WWII
22:39:30 <De_Ghosty> acually hybrid only work in city nvm
22:39:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> which made them unpopular during communist times, they were hardly maintained, let alone built new
22:40:33 <Mchl> several Polish motorways are being built on top of old German built autobahns form pre WW2 era
22:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> of course, large parts of modern poland were in germany back then
22:41:38 <Mchl> and large parts of modern Ukraine were in Poland...
22:41:57 <Mchl> seems that USSR decided it needed space...
22:42:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> same as germany did, but one lost the war, the other didn't
22:42:41 <Prof_Frink> Don't mention the war!
22:42:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> the polish eastern border goes back to a Hitler-Stalin treaty
22:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> well... The Hitler-Stalin treaty
22:43:23 <Mchl> I am not sure about this...
22:43:39 <Mchl> I think 'their line' was a bit to west
22:44:05 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: you just did
22:44:18 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: you started it
22:44:44 <Mchl> or maybe you're right...
22:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> it was a line to split poland between germany and USSR, which was claimed not much later... ater the war, USSR did not want to give up their gain
22:46:46 <Mchl> there are some diffirences
22:46:56 * Bjarni wonders why copy paste works while clicking the link fails
22:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> it worked fine here
22:47:22 <Prof_Frink> rmb-open link works fine
22:47:52 <Bjarni> usually I can just click on a link and it opens in firefox
22:48:15 <Bjarni> now when I move the mouse over it, the computer adds a line under it like a link but if I click nothing happens
22:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> wild guess tells me it has to do with the special character
22:48:47 <Bjarni> but I never encountered this problem before
22:50:08 * Prof_Frink runs a scan against Bjarni...
22:50:20 <Prof_Frink> Trace amounts of FAIL detected
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23:07:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> [just a random word, no significance ;)]
23:10:55 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13303 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix (r13301): 64bit gcc compilation was broken
23:12:26 <Mchl> forgot to say good night :P
23:15:52 <Bjarni> I failed at the lie detector >_<
23:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> you fail ... :p
23:24:49 <Bjarni> there was a loud noise outside and the ground shaked
23:25:22 * Bjarni wonders if there are anybody around to read this
23:25:43 <Bjarni> like if a tree is falling in the woods and there is nobody to hear it, will it make a noise?
23:29:53 <Bjarni> ok then you will not be told what happened
23:36:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> schrödingers tree?
23:36:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> schrödingers earthquake?
23:39:44 <Bjarni> two diesels pulling a whole lot of steel cars
23:40:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13304 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix (r13042): possible double free (showed up in r13092)
23:45:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> schrödingers steel train, that's a new one
23:51:47 * Belugas is saving wav files from NIN remix section :D
23:52:02 <Belugas> next, load them on my studio !
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