IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2008-03-18
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00:00:17 <jez9999> doesnt seem to be tho
00:22:14 <antihcl> haha, this roundabout I'm making is horrible
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00:46:34 <fjb> Ammller: Your company will be going bankrupt soon.
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02:01:24 <Belugas> un jour, Sacro, un jour...
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03:27:10 <Rubidium> why do people who want to speak to me go offline 'just' before I'm back?
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03:51:59 <De_Ghosty> bend on driving u insane
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06:53:14 <Tefad> and by fucked up i mean is too busy swapping memory on/off disk.
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07:40:25 <Celestar> peter1138: you got a sec? :)
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07:56:10 <Celestar> peter1138: you were talking about code duplication in the newgrf_ports, right?
07:56:59 <Celestar> Mmm means yes or no? :P
07:58:27 <Celestar> damn. meeting. be back in 2hours
08:00:06 <peter1138> I mentioned it but haven't looked in depth.
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10:07:08 <larsemil> that was exactly two hours.. you know your meetings. :)
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10:36:27 <Celestar> ./googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libldap-2.3.so.0: undefined symbol: SSL_CTX_set_info_callback
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10:45:17 <Celestar> so can we set up a roadmap for newgrf_ports? ;)
10:50:22 <RichK67> you can set one up... but I drive a tank, and dont exactly keep to the roads ;)
10:55:37 <Celestar> RichK67: you've add ACtion0fsmstation, right?
10:55:43 <peter1138> 4 months since beta1...
10:57:18 <peter1138> We ought to get RC1 out soon ;0
10:57:56 <RichK67> Action 0 FSMstation is Action 0 0D ... it has many similarities to stations, but enough differences that I feel a merge would be confusing... also, if i just reused Action 0 04, then we would have to add code to all the new station stuff to exclude airports, ports, road FSM stations, etc.
10:59:10 <Celestar> isn'T 0D platform length?
10:59:27 <peter1138> feature 0D, not property, i assume
10:59:31 <RichK67> not prop 0D, Action 0 feature 0D
11:00:19 <Celestar> 0D for airports (No official properties)
11:00:42 <RichK67> yup - since it had already been assigned to airports, it seemed sensible to use it
11:00:59 <Celestar> do we have ANY documentation of "Action 0 feature 0D"
11:01:23 <Celestar> ah ... so "Action 0 Feature 04 Prop 0D" is "selectable station length" ?
11:01:27 * RichK67 coughs, while pointing to the NewGRF_ports branch ;)
11:02:08 <RichK67> spec version 8/9 (cant remember) is in the root directory of a checkout
11:02:27 <Celestar> there's some doc file :P
11:03:32 <Celestar> enlighten me, why do props (generally) start with 08 ?
11:04:09 <RichK67> there are some standard props in 01-07 IIRC
11:04:27 <RichK67> cant remember what atm
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11:05:43 <RichK67> one thing that does need to go on a roadmap is for me to write a "how to create an FSM .grf" tutorial...
11:10:12 <Celestar> this is complicated :P
11:11:10 <RichK67> it is much simpler if you have the commented version of the small airport in front of you as you read it; airports_basic.nfo
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11:13:15 <Celestar> the "mini pic" is for the GUI?
11:13:59 <RichK67> yes... compile the branch and take a look; its a preview pic
11:14:59 <Celestar> already doing so ;)(
11:16:22 <RichK67> i thought it important to have, since there could be many 3x4 tile designs, and it will give instant feedback as to what you are getting
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11:20:35 <RichK67> probably - i dont, but VC8 doesnt always warn as much as gc++
11:23:21 <TheJosh> whats the current discussion?
11:23:26 <Celestar> TheJosh: newgrf_ports
11:23:29 <RichK67> i got it a long way along, but then lost all momentum over animation and Munich
11:24:04 <RichK67> if you want some real fun, add realworldairports.grf, and build a san francisco, and then let her rip
11:24:18 <Celestar> RichK67: how's the rotation done?
11:24:22 <TheJosh> converting all the oldgrf things to newgrf? (and therefore a fully independent openttd?)
11:24:36 <Celestar> TheJosh: newgrf-based airports
11:24:45 <RichK67> Celestar: very simply.... the only thing you need to tell it is what graphics to place
11:24:54 <Ammller> TheJosh: you spoke about OpenGFX :-)
11:25:21 <Celestar> 3 * 9~.. 07 8B 04 \7< 02 0A DC 00 00
11:25:31 <Celestar> what kind of encoding is \7< ?
11:25:34 <RichK67> the rotation is simple maths (the FSM is identical in any orientation... and the maths handles the translation of coordinates)
11:26:11 <Celestar> we've got working PBS?
11:26:50 <RichK67> Celestar: [bollocks on] NFO is a language you know... [bollocks off] .... \7< is the instruction for less than in one of their equation thingies
11:27:51 <TheJosh> Maedhros: have you seen my latest patch?
11:28:06 <Maedhros> TheJosh: which one's that?
11:28:39 <TheJosh> the first patch of improved shares
11:28:42 <RichK67> Celestar: yes, the airports are effectively PBS... you define the path across the airport, and it will reserve it if it can. if it cant, it will wait, or do other things depending on the coding
11:29:09 <Celestar> RichK67: the "PBS" question was meant for Maedhros (=
11:29:15 <RichK67> Celestar: so aircraft cannot bump on airports - ever
11:29:22 <Celestar> RichK67: ok I'll have a check on the code
11:30:42 <Maedhros> TheJosh: ah, yeah, i have seen that one
11:31:23 <Celestar> so, is it working? ;)
11:32:06 <Maedhros> TheJosh: i haven't looked at the code, and since i've never seriously played multiplayer, i've never really been interested in shares ;)
11:32:46 <TheJosh> most people arnt because they are often turned off
11:33:02 <TheJosh> but the plan with improved shares is to make it so you cant share cheat then they can be turned on
11:34:12 <Celestar> RichK67: so, what effectively needs doing for newgrf_ports (Apart from adding features of course)? ;)
11:39:57 <RichK67> animations, a firm decision about original/new graphics.... these to me are the critical commit stoppers
11:40:17 <RichK67> all the current airports work as advertised
11:41:52 <RichK67> on graphics: i have coded airportsbasic.grf to use the default graphics for the small, heliport, and large airport. airporsextended has the new airports - and these use skidd13's graphics, without reference to the default
11:42:32 <RichK67> this means that any graphics replacement .grf that changes the default gfx will only change the small, large, and heliport
11:42:49 <RichK67> ie. TTDP compatability is maintained
11:43:13 <Gonozal_VIII> nobody cares about ttdp^^
11:44:19 * Maedhros must be nobody, then
11:44:51 <Gonozal_VIII> you care about big brother :O
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12:02:51 <Gonozal_VIII> but nobody does! :O
12:13:02 <Celestar> so Maedhros' problem
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12:28:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r12381 /trunk/src/ (8 files):
12:28:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS1835] [FS1535] (r11855): The number of houses wasn't computed right. A
12:28:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: few other things regaring the updating had to be changed. Big thanks for support
12:28:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: to frosch123 and SmatZ, to name just a few. (Inspired by a patch of bilbo)
12:38:43 <Celestar> ok I'll have a look at some of the bug reports
12:39:08 <Celestar> any suggestions what I should try to fix first?
12:47:34 <peter1138> We close those ones straight away as "not a bug"
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14:48:03 <antihcl> can you destroy only a signal without destroying the track it's on?
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14:55:29 <antihcl> "it's" is a contraction for "it is"
14:55:45 <phin> antihcl: you are correct
14:56:16 <Gonozal_VIII> ln is teh wrongings
14:56:38 <phin> bet he feels pretty stupid now. seeing as he felt all proud to point out something, incorrectly
14:57:05 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm sure he's crying right now
14:57:19 <phin> should've just let it be
14:58:16 <phin> the inevitable "backpedal"
14:58:41 <RichK67> i'm feeling much better now
14:59:13 <phin> im feeling like i should get up on a little online opentdd
14:59:19 <phin> never tried it out that way
15:00:01 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm ln- is missing
15:00:34 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe that's the reason for his failure
15:01:39 <peter1138> Let's call him 1n just to annoy :D
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15:02:48 <Celestar> peter1138: got a sec?
15:03:29 <Celestar> got a class "foo". Some of the member functions have a parameter of type "foo". How do I do this?
15:03:49 <antihcl> I always pause too much in single player, it prevents me from doing it
15:04:03 <peter1138> before the real class foo { }
15:04:16 <peter1138> Oh, and they're pointer types, I hope
15:04:35 <Celestar> but it doesn't work for some crappy reason :(
15:04:58 <In> you mean the stuff that every list or tree has?
15:05:17 <In> can't be so complicated...
15:06:39 <peter1138> ~ ChanServ set +o peter1138 on #openttd
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15:07:22 <Gonozal_VIII> you're no fun :P
15:08:48 <ln> this channel is not about fun.
15:08:51 <antihcl> phin: also, in single player I'm always tempted to restart the game when things go wrong.. it's better if you don't :)
15:09:18 <Gonozal_VIII> then what is this channel about?
15:11:23 <Gonozal_VIII> you wrote "this" instead of "This" :P
15:13:23 <ln> 17:11 < Gonozal_VIII> you wrote "this" instead of "This" :P <-- seems like you are.
15:13:47 <Gonozal_VIII> you said that it's about english :P
15:14:09 <Gonozal_VIII> if you think so, then do it right ;-)
15:15:50 <ln> says a woman without a realname set.
15:17:43 <ln> how the hell am i supposed to know your gender if you don't have a realname set.
15:18:17 <Gonozal_VIII> because there are no females here? never...
15:18:40 <Belugas> although not very oftenly
15:18:43 <antihcl> aaa I"m going bankrupt
15:18:50 <Gonozal_VIII> i've only seen some spambots with female nicks
15:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> jpeg or it didn't happen! :p
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15:32:45 <peter1138> Bjarni scares them off
15:34:23 <Gonozal_VIII> invisible bjarni?
15:34:34 <Gonozal_VIII> so he went from zombie to ghost :O
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16:08:48 <Gonozal_VIII> ha, i have food!
16:08:57 <Gonozal_VIII> but it's all mine!
16:09:11 <hylej> THEN YOU SHALL PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD
16:09:24 * Celestar sneaks up behind Gonozal_VIII with a hugeass club
16:09:40 <Gonozal_VIII> what's the exchange course from blood to euro?
16:10:17 <Gonozal_VIII> behind me is a wall :P
16:10:30 * Celestar emerges from the wall
16:11:06 <Gonozal_VIII> people can't do that :P
16:11:15 <Celestar> who sais that I'm .... human?
16:17:39 <yorick> who created the #openttd.ChrisIN channel, never to have someone in it?
16:20:41 <Gonozal_VIII> who created the #? channel, never to have someone in it?
16:21:08 <glx> chanserv says "Channel masters: Chris82, Smoovious"
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16:56:50 <antihcl> hmm! can I transfer bus passengers over to a train?
16:57:18 <Gonozal_VIII> why not try before you ask? ;-)
16:57:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12382 /trunk/src/table/cargo_const.h: -Fix [FS#1864]: use 'items' unit for batteries, fizzy drinks, toys and bubbles in total cargo tab
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16:58:19 <peter1138> Yes, but two-way transfers are a go-no.
16:58:32 <Gonozal_VIII> somebody should really fix that..
16:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's the new magic bullet now?
16:59:15 <DorpsGek> peter1138: Open Bugs: 24; Not assigned: 17; Closed this week: 10; Opened this week: 11
16:59:16 <Gonozal_VIII> like new map array :-)
16:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> "needs new map array" was kinda getting old ;)
16:59:38 <peter1138> @openttd branch 0.6
16:59:50 <DorpsGek> yorick: bug, bugs, changed, commit, download, grf, grfs, info, port, ports, propset, servers, svn, thelog, and youngest
17:00:12 <Gonozal_VIII> yorick is the youngest
17:00:21 <DorpsGek> yorick: latest: r12382
17:00:50 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII is the youngest!
17:01:02 <Gonozal_VIII> it did the command again..
17:01:04 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII == r12382
17:03:43 <Gonozal_VIII> wat he wanted to say is g2g
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18:13:49 <peter1138> Seems a bit overkill :o
18:14:28 <Belugas> a man gatta do what a man gatta do
18:15:19 <Wolf01> gatta? in Italy is the female cat :D
18:16:25 <peter1138> £240 motherboards :o
18:16:27 <Belugas> remove a T and it's the same as in spanish ;)
18:16:29 <peter1138> (Not server boards!)
18:16:47 <fjb> What kind of board is that?
18:16:54 <Belugas> de doo doo doo de daa daa daa
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18:18:15 * peter1138 still doesn't know which motherboard chipset is good for what i need
18:18:15 <fjb> I don't know which board I would buy today.
18:18:37 <fjb> What do you need that computer for?
18:19:15 * peter1138 does not want to overclock
18:19:27 <stillunknown> nvidia chipsets tend to be power hungry and hot(ish).
18:20:02 <fjb> Depends on the chipset. Sme are power hungry, others are not.
18:20:33 <fjb> Latest AMD chipsets gave some trouble to open source OSs.
18:20:37 <peter1138> i guess iP35 is the general one to go for at the moment
18:21:12 <fjb> Intel should be well supported by Linux.
18:21:13 <peter1138> but then each manufacturer lists millions of different boards with the same basic chipset
18:21:43 <fjb> Take a board with passive chipset cooling.
18:22:11 <peter1138> Asus P5K, I wonder...
18:22:14 <antihcl> I could overclock if I wanted to, but no need. My processor and mobo are cold like ice :P
18:22:16 <fjb> The small chipset fans are crap.
18:22:59 <antihcl> and I don't need to oc my video card because... I play openttd heh
18:23:43 <fjb> My Geforce 6600 is fast enough for all my games.
18:24:07 <antihcl> peter1138: very very happy with my Asus P5K and core 2 duo e6550.. only thing that is really flaky is the onboard wireless, which I don't use
18:24:34 <peter1138> I see 7 different P5Ks listed :(
18:24:52 <glx> <fjb> Take a board with passive chipset cooling. <-- agreed, I have a fan for that and it's always over 6000RPM
18:25:50 <fjb> The small fans are making trouble sooner or later, sometimes out of the box.
18:25:56 <glx> peter1138: different options ;)
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18:29:18 <peter1138> Did Abit solve their capacitor problem? heh
18:30:03 <antihcl> peter1138: with stock cooling at full load, I stay at max 52C on each core, and the cpu is rated for 72C
18:30:04 <antihcl> core 2 duo is whoopin up everything else right now
18:30:06 <antihcl> peter1138: get the cheapest one :D
18:30:08 <antihcl> they have options, like wifi and different sound chips and such
18:30:10 <antihcl> the wifi is useless, everything else is great
18:31:23 <antihcl> I'd either go with gigabit or asus, and asus in my opinion is better (and relatively cheap too)
18:33:29 <fjb> peter1138: I just wated to mention that Gigabyte board.
18:34:12 <fjb> I was looking at some mainboard recomendations. nd that GA-P35-DS3L is one of them.
18:34:47 <fjb> And it shouldn't be too expensive.
18:36:40 <peter1138> Gah, the E8300 is out of stock :(
18:38:44 <peter1138> looking at graphics cards, 3 of Gigabyte's 8600 offerrings are fanless
18:39:49 <fjb> That is good as long as you have a constant airflow in the casing.
18:41:39 <fjb> Hm, GeForce 8600 GTS with passive cooling gives trouble, a 8600 GT is ok.
18:43:06 <peter1138> 512MB GDDR2 vs 256MB GDDR3... meh
18:43:22 <peter1138> i hate this stuff, heh
18:44:06 <antihcl> only complaint with the gigabyte I bought my dad is that the IDE port is allll the way at the bottom of the board, which makes it impossible to connect his dvd drive to, other than that it's great
18:44:41 <fjb> You need more memory as a texture buffer for 3D stuff.
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18:47:08 <fjb> What is the english term for Prozessorkühler?
18:48:50 <fjb> You should buy one where the fan is blowing down to the mainboard, not parallel to the mainboard.
18:48:58 <Gonozal_VIII> force field to stop the motion of the molecules :-)
18:50:16 <peter1138> now i have to convince myself it's a good idea to spend £330
18:50:36 <Prof_Frink> Oh, just get an Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
18:51:43 <Gonozal_VIII> order it from the usa, the dollar is extremely weak
18:51:54 <fjb> It is a good idea, because it is good for thze chineese economy. :-)
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18:53:46 <Gonozal_VIII> like 3 dollar per pound or something^^
18:53:50 <Belugas> think of it this way, peter1138: what would you do with that money if not buying that brand new bomb ?
18:54:10 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Don't say that
18:54:24 <Prof_Frink> £330 is a lot of beer.
18:54:35 <Belugas> Prof_Frink: i didn't said that, i wrote it ^_^
18:55:24 <Prof_Frink> Don't get sarky with me
18:55:36 <peter1138> Well, yeah, beer...
18:55:45 <peter1138> Or ... something I might need.
18:55:56 * peter1138 is going home, without buying anything...
18:56:19 <Prof_Frink> You could pay people's train fares for the ttmeet!
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18:58:33 <fjb> peter1138's new PC gets a "Recommended by #openttd" label.
19:00:52 <ln> peter1138: google says people have bad experience with Asus P5K*.
19:01:46 <ln> peter1138: I was considering P5KC when ordering a new computer, but then chose Gigabyte instead, which I'm still waiting for, damnit.
19:03:08 <fjb> Hm, HST = Heat Sink Train...
19:09:18 <yorick> error: invalid conversion from `int' to `NetworkLanguage`...
19:12:58 <yorick> if (client_lang >= NETWORK_NUM_LANGUAGES) client_lang = 0; triggers the error(added to DEF_SERVER_RECEIVE_COMMAND(PACKET_CLIENT_JOIN))
19:14:43 <yorick> while the exact same name works fine when done at DEF_CLIENT_RECEIVE_COMMAND(PACKET_SERVER_CLIENT_INFO)
19:15:03 <yorick> " (NetworkLanguage)" (ah, that way :))
19:16:20 <yorick> and that basically means it HAS TO be inside that enum, which could be a slight problem with "NETLANG_COUNT"
19:16:36 <yorick> I'll just remove (NetworkLanguage) there
19:17:11 <yorick> ooh...talking to self ^^
19:17:42 * fjb is reading it, but does only know unhelpful answers.
19:19:41 <yorick> how to compile without networking?
19:20:49 <fjb> No, like: int is short for international language which is English. English is also the network language. So converting nglish to English is not useful. :-)
19:21:10 <Maedhros> yorick: ./configure --disable-network, i'd imagine
19:22:09 * fjb thinks yorick is counting compiling without networking as an unhelpful answer. :-)
19:22:15 <ln> Das Längsprofil eines Flusses is nicht mit dem Tallängsschnitt identisch. -- Der Krater verschwindet immer mehr.
19:23:16 <Prof_Frink> My hovercraft is full of eels.
19:23:57 <fjb> Hovercraft wath the driving force of the FBI. :-)
19:25:11 <ln> those two interesting sentences were from: Maull, Geomorphologie (1938).
19:26:17 <fjb> Oh, you are implementing new river features?
19:26:57 <ln> not that i know of, but if it helps someone, i can go on quoting random sentences from the book.
19:27:23 <yorick> that's even called pollution
19:27:45 <Patrick`> Prof_Frink: I would like to stroke your nipples
19:27:49 <ln> the thing that i could possibly try next is either tram stops or countries.
19:28:29 <fjb> Quoting random senntences from tram stops?
19:29:06 <yorick> what exactly does tram stops mean?
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19:33:45 <yorick> Trams shouldn't just stop on bus stops with tramrails on it, I think. Hello jez9999
19:33:49 <ln> yorick: sadly, it's an image manipulation, not an actual screenshot. but shows the point of tram stops.
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19:36:03 <Gonozal_VIII> or zombie again?
19:36:14 <fjb> What is the TTDP newroutes thing?
19:36:19 <Bjarni> is that a trick question?
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19:39:42 <ln> 21:38 <Belugas> warning : next time i see a non-english string of text from you on IRC, you'd get a kick. It's pretty frustrating to not been able to understand what's it all about.
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19:39:47 <ln> 21:38 <Belugas> so... you are warned
19:40:51 <Bjarni> what did you do this time? :)
19:41:14 <yorick> get yourself some logs, lord Bjarni _O_
19:41:21 <ln> Bjarni: only quoted a scientifical book.
19:42:20 <jez9999> my 'auto upgrade vehicles in depot to new track type' patch is nearly ready to roll :-)
19:42:20 <Bjarni> yorick: you are my people... you should do as I tell you to and right now I told you to inform me of what happened while I was busy with what you would most likely want to do
19:42:23 <fjb> peter1138: Thank you. What shall it become if it ever gets real? I read something about new bridges where the bridge and the road or rail on it are separated.
19:42:23 <ln> Belugas: rather than getting frustrated by foreign languages, it's easier to ignore such lines. saves your nerves, too.
19:42:49 <Bjarni> today I was inside a bogie
19:42:52 <ln> Belugas: similarly, you hopefully don't go kicking tourists on the street if they speak something you don't understand.
19:43:05 <jez9999> ln: speak for yourself
19:43:37 <yorick> Maybe they do in his country...*hmm...how was it called?*
19:44:50 <ln> jez9999: what are you referring to, sir?
19:44:52 <yorick> nah, they shoot at tourists there
19:45:05 <peter1138> fjb, oskar has retired, patchman seems not to do anything any more, csaboka and stevenh seem to have gone or switched, that leaves Mr D, Lakie and JGR.
19:45:21 <Bjarni> ln: but it's a poor comparison. Tourists bring money.... we get nothing from you
19:45:33 <peter1138> fjb, so it's unlikely, although JGR seems to have magic skills
19:45:37 <yorick> Sacro: you don't wanna highlight our DS guy
19:45:54 <peter1138> fjb, so we're doing it our way.
19:46:15 <peter1138> oskar's newroutes specification was a bit limited and, well, hacky, as that's how ttdpatch works :)
19:46:17 <ln> Bjarni: now, now, you get more patches from me than you can handle.
19:47:00 <Belugas> ln : 1) if you want to quote, it's fine with me. But quoting something nobody but a few do understand is meaningless. If you do want to quote, give the translation ONLY. 2) we are not on a street, we are on a channel where the rule is ENGLISH only. 3) If i need to ignore stuff, i'll ignore the writer of these lines
19:47:00 <fjb> peter1138: I always thought it is anoying that the backside and the road / rail part of the bridge are one sprite.
19:47:13 * DaleStan points out that there are a lot of things that do not look even slightly like "DaleStan" that will draw his attention.
19:47:14 <Bjarni> ln: well... you also bring more work to us :/
19:47:53 <Sacro> DaleStan: do we get points for each one we find? :)
19:47:54 <ln> Bjarni: yes, and work brings happiness.
19:47:59 * peter1138 wonders if DaleStan has a highlight for Mr D :D
19:48:06 <fjb> TTDP is hacky. Patching something is always hacky. But it is still amazing what they did. But I guess they will reach the limits some time.
19:48:34 <peter1138> You sound like you're excusing my statement :)
19:48:48 <Bjarni> the limit is when there is nothing of the original code left and only patched code
19:49:13 <peter1138> If that's the case then there are no limits...
19:49:27 <Bjarni> peter1138: I don't think he highlights on "Mr D :D"
19:49:39 <yorick> ok, my patch works, so I should focus on "divide et impera!" (yes, that's Latin :p) now :)
19:49:52 <fjb> Hm, when no original code is left, is it till a patch then?
19:50:17 <peter1138> Yes, as it will all be optional...
19:50:22 <Bjarni> if it patches the binary then yes
19:50:29 <DaleStan> I doubt that will ever happen. GRF loading, savegame handling, and sprite drawing are unlikely to be completely patched away.
19:50:35 <fjb> ut the orignal code is the optional part then.
19:50:52 <ln> Belugas: 1) your definition of "a few" surprises me. it looks to me that about half the active people in here are either germans or dutchmen, not forgetting the austrians.
19:51:23 <jez9999> Belugas: does Rubidium ever talk in here?
19:51:33 <Bjarni> that's why Sacro keeps on declaring me Dutch
19:51:33 <DorpsGek> DaleStan: Rubidium was last seen in #openttd 16 hours, 24 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Rubidium> why do people who want to speak to me go offline 'just' before I'm back?
19:51:42 <Sacro> Bjarni: you are netherlandian
19:51:42 <yorick> he will if you highlight him
19:51:53 <peter1138> jez9999, yes, when he's not on vacation.
19:51:55 <Sacro> yes, like by saying Rubidium
19:52:00 <jez9999> peter1138: oh, he is?
19:52:03 <peter1138> Er, holiday, I'm not American...
19:52:03 <Bjarni> he lacks enough memory for storing all possible countries and decided that if he says Dutch then it's right most of the time
19:52:08 <peter1138> Yeah, in Japan of all places.
19:52:11 <Sacro> if you say it 3 times he appears
19:52:16 <jez9999> checking out their rail infrastructure?
19:52:22 <peter1138> So not only is he not here, when he is here it's the wrong timezone.
19:52:43 <jez9999> well Rubidium seems to know most about autoreplace
19:52:56 <jez9999> need to ask him how tough changing it to upgrade wagons would be
19:53:05 <Sacro> i'd have thouhgt Bjarni knew the most
19:53:05 <Noldo> I though it was Bjarnis brainchild?
19:53:14 <Sacro> and even I know how to upgrade wagons
19:53:17 <jez9999> it has rubidium in the comments at the top
19:53:27 <Sacro> he was the last editor of the file
19:53:36 * Sacro clicks the magic button
19:53:46 <Bjarni> <jez9999> well Rubidium seems to know most about autoreplace <--- err... I wrote it but it would be natural that somebody else knows it better :P
19:53:48 <peter1138> jez9999: Bjarni wrote it, maybe he knows...
19:54:00 <jez9999> Bjarni: upgrading wagons from one track type to another
19:54:00 <yorick> jez9999: wagon replacement is already there
19:54:10 <jez9999> erm, how do you replace wagons?
19:54:24 <Bjarni> switch the window to wagons ;)
19:54:26 <yorick> "Replacing: Engines" <-- click it
19:54:30 <peter1138> There's a non-obvious button for it...
19:54:41 <jez9999> if this stuff is already there im surprised there isnt already an auto-upgrade of depotized vehicles when you track-upgrade a depot
19:54:59 <Bjarni> feel free to figure out how to make a better one if you like
19:55:07 <Bjarni> it was the best I could come up with at the time
19:55:07 <peter1138> Because there's no simple way to select which wagons get upgraded to which wagons of the new type.
19:55:11 <jez9999> if it's already ok i want to use it
19:55:23 <jez9999> peter1138: why not just choose the first appropriate one?
19:55:32 <jez9999> that's what ive done with engines, works a charm
19:55:33 <peter1138> And then what happens if it fails half way through a depot?
19:55:34 <Bjarni> but it will not replace across tracktype
19:55:45 <jez9999> peter1138: return CMD_ERROR or something for CommandCost?
19:56:05 <fjb> Because steam engines would be converted to electric ones if you electrify the depot. People will really hate that. :-)
19:56:07 <jez9999> it should abort the whole upgrade. ive been using the autoreplace stuff to do it
19:56:24 <jez9999> fjb: no, you can easily not do that
19:57:30 <jez9999> am i missing something here, or would it be quite simple to get wagons autoupgraded as well as engines when they're stopped in a depot you upgrade the track type for?
19:57:41 <jez9999> is it a policy decision not to do it, or is there a more serious difficulty?
19:57:48 <jez9999> if it's policy i'll release my patch
19:58:13 <Noldo> I've always thought that policy decisions where the most serions difficulty
19:58:27 <peter1138> jez9999, partly no-one bothered to do it.
19:58:40 <peter1138> Because of the 'what to upgrade to' issue.
19:58:46 <ln> Noldo: where -> were, serions -> serious
19:59:09 <peter1138> Could be fun with NewGRF wagon restrictions too...
19:59:32 * Maedhros is highly suspicious of yorick's changes to newgrf_text.cpp
19:59:53 <Maedhros> what do grf language codes have to do with networking?
20:00:32 <yorick> Belugas suggested them
20:01:00 <yorick> the language-othertype conversion table is there
20:01:37 <yorick> *if anything goes wrong, blame the french!* :p
20:02:21 <glx> why did you change strings.cpp?
20:02:57 <yorick> some changes have been there, but not anymore, so I'll put the lines back
20:05:50 <glx> and be careful with trailing whitespaces
20:06:45 <Gonozal_VIII> trailing whitespaces is dangerous because whitespaces don't like to be trailed!
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20:07:08 <ln> Gonozal_VIII: *are* dangerous
20:07:50 <Gonozal_VIII> not the way i used it
20:08:58 <Maedhros> watering flowers is necessary
20:09:02 <ln> Gonozal_VIII: that's NOT ENGLISH.
20:09:41 <ln> Gonozal_VIII: we'll need a lexical analysis of your sentence.
20:09:42 <Slowpoke> in your sentence the "is" refers to the adjective "red", in the sentence above it refers to the verb "trailing"
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20:10:38 <Gonozal_VIII> it's the languages fault that the adjective and verb are the same
20:11:23 <ln> can some native confirm whether or not "pff" is english?
20:11:23 <Prof_Frink> ln: Grocer's apo'strophe?
20:11:46 <Prof_Frink> ln: It's an acceptable variant on "pfft"
20:11:59 <glx> + if (client_lang >= NETWORK_NUM_LANGUAGES) client_lang = 0; <-- I'd use a nice "kick the sender"
20:12:16 <ln> Noldo: i'm fine, thank you. helping with upholding the rule of using English.
20:13:14 <Gonozal_VIII> you were posting random german stuff some minutes ago :P
20:14:12 <Noldo> ln: I'm starting to feel that that is just a symptom
20:14:40 <glx> if it sent a wrong value, it should be a hacked client
20:15:09 <ln> Gonozal_VIII: i know, but then Belugas reminded me of the value of English. and this is certainly not the first time that I'm attempting to keep up some quality of language around here.
20:15:31 <ln> Noldo: dunno. maybe you should go see a doctor to find out.
20:15:34 <glx> yorick: for NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_* you could use some bit stuff instead
20:16:08 <glx> like NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_ALL = NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_NICK | NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_LANGUAGE
20:16:31 <glx> will simplify if (changetype == NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_ALL || changetype == NETWORK_CHANGETYPE_NICK) {
20:16:51 <yorick> to? (just curious and not very good at bit stuff)
20:17:07 <glx> if (HasBit(changetype, xxx))
20:18:19 <yorick> I'm off for today, bye!
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20:28:35 <ln> Belugas: do you evaluate each line independently or in context?
20:29:04 <Gonozal_VIII> the right answer should be "yes"
20:30:17 <ln> i mean, what happens if the language used in a particular line cannot be determined?
20:30:34 <peter1138> My other half said "HOW MUCH?!"
20:31:21 <peter1138> ln, you ought to stop, as... that's my job.
20:31:48 <ln> for example, what language is this: will
20:31:53 <Belugas> [16:30] <@peter1138> My other half said "HOW MUCH?!" <--- lol! Mine would say the same thing :D
20:32:20 <peter1138> Then it was the counter-phrase, "well it's your money, you can spend it how you like"
20:32:32 <peter1138> So... "permission" of the I WILL MAKE YOU GUILTY kind!
20:33:11 <Draakon> gonozal_VIII: are you updating your patchpack? :)
20:33:38 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... but don't ask me when^^
20:33:44 <Bjarni> this is a weird channel... nobody wondered about my statement about being inside a bogie :/
20:33:56 <peter1138> We're used to ignoring you.
20:34:28 * hylej runs over Bjarni by a tilting bogie
20:35:35 <Bjarni> if nobody wonders about it then I guess you aren't worthy of being told why or anything :p
20:35:38 <ln> peter: will, kind, handy, radio, zone, ...
20:36:02 <peter1138> ln, no, I meant hylej's sentence.
20:36:39 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, i was also thinking about that
20:36:43 <ln> the sentence hardly made any sense anyway.
20:37:24 <peter1138> s/by/with/ fixes it of course.
20:38:21 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Your patch packs makes YAPP really buggy...
20:39:05 <glx> fjb: often happens when many patches are merged
20:39:19 <glx> and people wants everything in trunk
20:39:35 <ln> fjb: that sounded like a plural/singular conflict.
20:40:01 <fjb> ln, thank you. You are my spellchecker.
20:40:14 <Bjarni> it's quite common that somebody commits something that breaks a working copy for somebody else
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20:40:24 * people wants everything in trunk
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20:40:49 <glx> @kick ln stop fixing my bad english ;)
20:40:49 *** ln was kicked by DorpsGek (stop fixing my bad english ;))
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20:41:04 <ln> Bjarni: and when that happens, it's best to hope the somebody else is not Tron.
20:41:18 *** Goverment was kicked by Bjarni (I always wanted to try this :D)
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20:42:13 <Belugas> don't need a bot for that ;)
20:42:30 <Draakon> i dint correct DorpsGek english
20:42:45 <ln> Draakon: typo + missing genitive
20:42:50 <Draakon> as this was the reason for the kick: YOU (Goverment) have been booted from #openttd by Bjarni (I always wanted to try this :D)
20:43:25 <Draakon> but why on me Bjarni?
20:43:39 <ln> Draakon: it's yet to be proven. remember that Bjarni doesn't have photos of him online, and his phone number cannot be found online either.
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20:43:48 <Bjarni> I just wanted to kick Goverment
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20:44:15 <Bjarni> it's funnier the first time
20:44:20 * Goverment kicks Bjarni out of the country
20:44:35 <ln> Bjarni: please kick him for misspelling.
20:44:36 *** Goverment is now known as Draakon
20:44:56 <ln> Bjarni: misspelling twice.
20:45:52 <ln> Draakon: the language on this channel is ENGLISH.
20:46:00 <SmatZ> looks like Govemrnent anyway
20:46:15 <Gonozal_VIII> better change the topic to something like english
20:46:21 <ln> Draakon: it was in misspelled english, which is not the same as english.
20:46:41 <Bjarni> it's a serious offence
20:47:18 * fjb pipes everything through ln to get corrected.
20:47:43 <Bjarni> actually if you have a nice touch with the language then it disturbs you with the errors
20:47:54 <Nuhru_> me starts piping too | ln
20:47:56 <Bjarni> and it takes attention from the contents
20:48:00 <Draakon> where in the laws of any country is said that typo or miss spelling is a serious offense in criminal
20:48:23 <ln> Draakon: who is miss Spelling? is she pretty?
20:49:42 <peter1138> God, you lot don't half talk shit.
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20:53:46 <fjb> Gonobug = Bug invented by the Gonozal patch pack.
20:55:19 <fjb> I'm playing a network game with the Gonozal patch pack. The bugs are sometimes horrible...
20:55:19 <peter1138> fjb, you know what to do with bugs, right?
20:55:33 <fjb> peter1138: Use a hammer on them?
20:55:44 <Draakon> the gono names are attacking our planet! quick, run for you lives! (if you have one :P)
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20:57:59 <TheMasterSwordsman> So, in OpenTTD. I'm building an airport, and I'm aware of the "you must have a depot" rule, but this is air transport, how do I add air vehicles to an airport if there IS no such thing as an air depot?
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20:59:10 <Draakon> ln was booted from #openttd by DorpsGek (stop fixing my bad english ;))
20:59:10 <Prof_Frink> TheMasterSwordsman: The plane depot is part of the airport
20:59:10 <peter1138> TheMasterSwordsman: Airports automatically have hangars on them.
20:59:28 <jez9999> ok, i see the wagon replacement code is built in to the autoreplace stuff
20:59:39 <TheMasterSwordsman> I clicked on the hangar and, it won't bring up any type of dialog like a depot would.
20:59:46 * TheMasterSwordsman tries again.
20:59:50 <TheMasterSwordsman> Ah, there it goes.
20:59:54 <glx> then it was not the hangar
20:59:54 <TheMasterSwordsman> I hate it when computers do that.
21:00:00 <jez9999> so, question; you said it could be difficult sorting out the newGRF wagon restrictions. but given that this autoreplacement will probably stay in the trunk, why not just hook the auto-depot-upgrade into the autoreplace?
21:00:03 <TheMasterSwordsman> Probably wasn't, mistake on my part.
21:00:10 <jez9999> the autoreplace code will be maintained to work with the NewGRF stuff
21:00:15 <peter1138> jez9999: it's not difficult if you don't mind it failing (CMD_ERROR)
21:00:37 <jez9999> well what else could it possibly do if the new track doesnt support the current wagon cargo type?
21:00:44 <jez9999> would you expect it to do something else?
21:00:58 <jez9999> (frankly that sounds like a dumb rule to me, i wont be using any newgrf sets that implement it)
21:00:58 <peter1138> No... that was a straight statement :p
21:01:40 <peter1138> Some sets implement only passengers, mail and goods on maglev, for instance.
21:01:48 <peter1138> But then if you're using such a set, you'll know.
21:01:56 <jez9999> the approach i've adopted in my patch is, when the depot track's being upgraded, to temporarily switch the current player's autoreplace settings to replace engines of the old type with the first appropriate one of the new type
21:02:00 <jez9999> then switch them back afterwards
21:02:03 <jez9999> is there a better way to do it?
21:02:54 <jez9999> peter1138: well before people were talking about there being no easy way to choose what you replace the wagon with but if there's no (eg. coal) implementation, presumably you dont mind that
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21:55:58 <Patrick`> anhedral: chemistry nick?
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22:44:17 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf how can return and frog be the same word
22:45:52 <peter1138> Yeah! How can lead and lead be the same word?
22:46:18 <Chrill> the Return of the Frog?
22:47:46 <Gonozal_VIII> lead leads you straight down :-)
22:48:02 <Gonozal_VIII> or something like that...
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22:56:55 <jez9999> do we have a macro or something in the openTTD code to find the IndexOf a value in an array?
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23:02:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12383 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Fix [FS#1860]: Check return of AfterLoadGame for success or failure when loading TTD games.
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23:20:57 <foe> Is there's a patch that allows total buyouts/takeovers in multiplayer mode?
23:22:04 <Patrick`> that'd just ruin the game
23:22:05 <foe> Darn - would add an interesting dimension to the game
23:22:24 <Patrick`> richest player wins.
23:23:03 <Gonozal_VIII> new player joins... other player buys right away
23:24:11 <foe> Yeah, just like in real life - would be a pity... :>
23:24:41 <jez9999> do we have a macro or something in the openTTD code to find the IndexOf a value in an array?
23:24:46 <Gonozal_VIII> in real life you can't buy stuff without the owners permission...
23:25:20 <foe> And who is the owner of a company introduced to the stock market?
23:25:51 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not in the stock market, the game share system is all wrong
23:26:19 <Gonozal_VIII> you start with a bank loan, not money from the stock market, so you are the owner
23:27:00 <Gonozal_VIII> and you should get money for selling shares... that's the point in selling shares...
23:27:14 <foe> As all new players build their companies with borrowed money, the result belongs to whoever lend that money. Be the investor a bank or the stock market...
23:27:43 <Gonozal_VIII> the bank has no rights on the company
23:28:18 <foe> You're right, if it's a mere loan.
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23:28:26 <Gonozal_VIII> and indeed it is :-)
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23:47:41 <jez9999> so, autoreplace all trains in depot does upgrade engines and wagons for trains in the depot...
23:47:48 <jez9999> but wagon chains don't get replaced
23:47:59 <jez9999> is there any way to make them get replaced too (if wagons are being replaced)?
23:48:13 <Gonozal_VIII> the button in the depot?
23:48:45 <Gonozal_VIII> that doesn't work?
23:48:53 <Gonozal_VIII> then it's a bug :-)
23:49:36 <Gonozal_VIII> you spotted a bug, now you can do the happy dance
23:50:38 <glx> oh no, not another autoreplace bugs
23:58:34 <Rubidium> wow... jez9999 not being offline when I'm online
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