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00:04:18 <Sacro> Why does the French flag have Velcro?
00:04:18 <Sacro> So the blue and red sections are easily removed during a time of war. I like this!
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00:14:09 <Sacro> right, i'm just gonna ask this anyway
00:14:16 <Sacro> someone from England = English
00:14:53 <Sacro> but that didn't sound right
00:15:22 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: that was another thought
00:20:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Der Dicke und der Beliger"
00:20:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> [that was an old comedy show in germany]
00:25:21 <ln-> someone from United States = Unitedstatesian
00:26:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12211 /branches/noai/ (187 files in 15 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r12050:12209
00:29:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is weird... i can not remember these monkey island 2 songs he plays...
00:33:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think i spent more time playing 1 than 2
00:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> why do i remember the songs from 1 better?
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01:14:06 <ln-> gaaah, the whole season 3 of House M.D. would be available, but dubbed in german.
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01:15:59 <glx> it started 4 weeks ago here
01:17:56 <ln-> we only finished season 2 today.
01:18:19 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: who would want to watch House M.D. in german?
01:19:17 <Gonozal_VIII> but yes... dub often sucks, i prefer the original too
01:20:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> so get it in dual lang ;)
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01:23:23 <ln-> bah, i'm getting season 4 instead.
01:24:16 <ln-> ... with swedish subtitles. what kind of a sick joke is that.
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01:35:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> you are totally doing this the wrong way
01:38:16 <ln-> well, downloading at 1 MB/s, can't be totally wrong.
01:39:42 <Gonozal_VIII> clicking on something and it starts playing is the right way :-)
01:40:43 <ln-> with some plugin (that i don't have) exactly that would happen. but i prefer downloading.
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01:57:30 <SpComb> hrmph, seems I've run into a glibc bug
01:57:39 *** cfaf was kicked by DorpsGek (Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.)
01:58:51 <Belugas> cfaf, you're on the wrong channel
02:19:27 * SpComb reworked the gamelist more or less entirely so that a given server can have more than one address
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05:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> i do absolutely not understand sourceforge...
05:08:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> i keep clicking on "download", and it gets me to another page saying "you may want to read release notes before downloading"
05:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am too intelligent for this... please, someone help me...
05:13:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> how do i get the file?
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05:35:49 <DaleStan> Eddi|zuHause3: "Below is a list of files contained in this release." Look at the mentioned "below", and select the desired file.
05:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> DaleStan: i clicked everywhere there... it doesn't download
05:36:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> it only goes to the release notes, which appear to be empty
05:37:41 <DaleStan> And what happens when you click on the filename?
05:40:42 <DaleStan> Well, then, I can't help you. When I click on the filename, I get the file.
05:42:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, the page works a whole lot better in firefox...
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10:14:09 <Ammller> barv: on his forum thread, you will find a "good" manual how to compile etc. and maybe there are also the missing GRFs to download.
10:15:32 <Ammller> some don't provide you with all missing file, they expect you to download first a usual release or nightly first.
10:16:13 <Ammller> and overwrite that with the IN
10:16:47 <Ammller> check his thread, its written there...
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11:43:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12212 /branches/noai/ (8 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AIEngine::GetMaxAge, AIEngine::GetRunningCost and AIVehicle::GetRunningCost (Morloth)
11:47:01 <Gonozal_VIII> :O truelight committing stuff again
11:47:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12213 /branches/noai/ (bin/ai/regression/regression.txt src/ai/api/ai_engine.cpp): [NoAI] -Fix: internal speeds for RoadVehicles and Ships are multiplied with 2 (Morloth)
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11:54:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12214 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_tile.cpp ai_tile.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix: 'rad' -> 'radius' for consistancy reasons
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12:08:27 <Ammller> Hmm, I am not able to compile yapp 4.3 on linux, is there something known about that?
12:09:53 <Ammller> and patch with svn diff
12:13:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12215 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (12 files):
12:13:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: added '::' if a function comes from non-AI-API functions (was inconsistant till now)
12:13:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: removed AIOrder:: if we are in AIOrder class (and so for all other classes)
12:14:52 <DorpsGek> Ammller: Truebrain was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 4 days, 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> night :)
12:15:45 <bane> hes commiting for morloth and helping out getting AI-dev to get on.
12:17:00 <Ammller> [12:46] <Sacro> zomg truebrain <-- I am not the first who is suprised :)
12:30:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12216 /branches/noai/ (38 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: made most functions 'static', which removes the need to create an instance to get, for example, engine information, and therefor heavily simplifying AI creation (Morloth)
12:33:36 <Brianetta> OMG cute little bridges
12:38:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12217 /branches/noai/bin/ai/wrightai/main.nut: [NoAI] -Change: changed wrightAI to reflect the last codechange
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13:09:49 <Ammller> nobody here, who can help me with compiling on a linux system?
13:10:21 <Ammller> (windows worked fine)
13:10:45 <Ammller> and I compiled many times with success, btw. :)
13:12:41 <peter1138> delete src/pbs.* before patching
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13:24:22 <Ammller> peter1138: svn revert . -R won't do that?
13:24:49 <peter1138> that only reverts files in svn
13:31:30 <yzaLyzarC> I want an AI that can earn more than 1$
13:32:22 <yzaLyzarC> Is there a such thing?
13:32:24 <LordAzamath> make a new AI then...
13:34:16 <yzaLyzarC> LordAzamI activated alpha Ai
13:34:28 <yzaLyzarC> Instanly it got an company value of 55000
14:20:14 <LordAzamath> //SkipIF: Jumping to label 0x1 at line 1160, test was true
14:20:37 <LordAzamath> //SkipIF: Not skipping sprites, test was false
14:20:42 <LordAzamath> and it just loooooops
14:21:07 <LordAzamath> I got it when I started with debug 2
14:21:09 <Gonozal_VIII> that's what you get from your label stuff :P
14:21:28 <LordAzamath> but it worked before...
14:22:03 <LordAzamath> I added these lines to end with renuming afterwards: 1298 * 5 0A 01 01 B5 02 1299 sprites/buoy.pcx 66 8 09 20 11 6 0
14:22:12 <LordAzamath> and it doesn't work
14:22:36 <Gonozal_VIII> ... you jump from 12xx to 1160...
14:23:00 <Gonozal_VIII> then you don't change the jump condition, right?
14:23:12 <LordAzamath> only two more sprites..
14:23:36 <Gonozal_VIII> can't just jump back without changing the condition
14:24:13 <Gonozal_VIII> shouldn't jump back ever...
14:26:16 <LordAzamath> why does it jump back?
14:26:36 <LordAzamath> hmm.. I found one another thing.. another addition was causing trouble..
14:26:38 <Gonozal_VIII> because you jump from 12xx to 11xx? :S
14:27:02 <LordAzamath> why does it jump from 12xx to11xx?
14:27:18 <Gonozal_VIII> because you told it to?
14:28:16 <LordAzamath> I just added signals grf to infrastructure, (I found out buoy wasn't causing trouble)
14:28:22 <LordAzamath> and this is what I got
14:30:00 <LordAzamath> ok.. I removed signals, everything ok
14:33:21 <LordAzamath> ok now problem solved
14:34:40 <Ed_> can anybody recommend some nice grf files?
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14:52:15 <Ammller> LordAzamath: how is readme going :)
14:52:33 <LordAzamath> readme is finished
14:52:43 <LordAzamath> I'm updating grfs
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14:52:53 <LordAzamath> so you could have the latest things
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15:15:12 <SpComb> connum == that rabbit person?
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15:52:01 <LordAzamath> Ammller: You here=
15:52:59 <LordAzamath> check the first post of the replacement project thread :)
15:53:15 <LordAzamath> something for you there too :)
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15:54:49 <Ammller> LordAzamath: you are my friend, thanks :)
15:58:48 <Gonozal_VIII> how much is still missing now anyways?
15:59:18 <LordAzamath> tbh I have no idea
15:59:29 <LordAzamath> I haven't counted the sprites
16:00:20 <LordAzamath> infrastructure lacks bridges and stations for toyland, docks, monorail/maglev/rail depots
16:00:35 <LordAzamath> bridges (space) and sta..*
16:01:20 <LordAzamath> Almost all GUI, although it's starting to develop already, is missing
16:02:22 <Ammller> LordAzamath: a paste thing of the files for [newgrf-static] would be nice
16:03:16 <Ammller> oh, and maybe you should make a zip instead of gz, not sure about our windows users...
16:05:34 <LordAzamath> aeh.. ok, wait a sec
16:10:24 <LordAzamath> a second has passed now
16:12:17 <Ammller> LordAzamath: 1k*thanks
16:13:08 <LordAzamath> Ammller: I'm your friend :)
16:13:25 <fjb> LordAzamath: I found a typo in the first posting of thatbthread: "Right no we have a small amount of work already done. " Should be "now" instaed of "no".
16:13:39 <Ammller> yeah, I have much luck about that :)
16:14:22 <LordAzamath> aghhh... fjb: If you start counting the typos, I'll consider more if I'll be your friend too :D:D
16:14:31 <LordAzamath> thanks for notifying
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16:15:28 <fjb> Usually I don't care about typos, but that one was kind of funny.
16:15:53 <LordAzamath> available is correct too? (not avilable)
16:16:13 <Ammller> ini: error in array 'OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.1/OpenGFX_-_newFonts_-_Small'
16:16:13 <Ammller> ini: ignoring invalid NewGRF 'OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.1/OpenGFX_-_newFonts_-_Small': not fou nd
16:16:13 <Ammller> ini: ignoring invalid NewGRF 'OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.1/OpenGFX_-_newlandscape_v0.3.grf': un safe for static use
16:16:50 <Sacro> saviour of the universe?
16:17:29 <fjb> As long as Sacro is not the universe...
16:17:35 <Sacro> and the lecturer is offtopic already :(
16:18:34 <LordAzamath> erm.. small fonts had a typo at it's filename.. There was a space
16:18:49 <LordAzamath> Please you can fix it locally, I'll reupload it
16:18:58 <Ammller> and landscape is because of newwater?
16:19:03 <LordAzamath> I'll look at newlandscpae
16:19:23 <LordAzamath> erm.. I thought terrain has newWater
16:19:44 <Ammller> that works well as static
16:20:56 <Ammller> farms looks a little bit dark...
16:21:48 <LordAzamath> that's not my fault :D
16:22:02 <LordAzamath> and first post is updated
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16:22:11 <Ammller> oh, what have I done wrong, then?
16:25:35 <LordAzamath> Ammller: I think that rivers is the problem with landscape grf...
16:25:52 <LordAzamath> It uses actions 1, 2, 3
16:26:46 <Ammller> oh, rivers is built in?
16:27:44 <LordAzamath> So you can use it in... oscq for example
16:28:20 <LordAzamath> btw, when you load grfs with static on a server, does it force everybody to use them?
16:29:06 <LordAzamath> but why do you want them static then?
16:29:16 <Ammller> does it make sence to load a grf in static
16:29:41 <Ammller> I like to have them static to join a server without that grf loaded
16:30:06 <Ammller> we will load them on next MP game
16:30:11 <LordAzamath> but for servers, static is pointless, yes?
16:30:22 <Ammller> to "force" our players to test them :)
16:30:56 <LordAzamath> btw, about that invisible train..
16:31:02 <Ammller> LordAzamath: I would say so, yes, but you need a more experienced voice for that :)
16:31:42 <LordAzamath> when dragging at depot window, the cursor dissappears, because it should grab the wagon/engine and show that as a cursor..
16:32:13 <Ammller> Bernhard took a waggon as engine to make that effect
16:32:16 <LordAzamath> so if you want to move train engine, you have nothing but memory to get the location of it :P
16:32:27 <Ammller> and it changes to a tractor in other view
16:32:56 <LordAzamath> but then I couldn't give you the _ view...
16:32:58 <Ammller> the power of that engine is least
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16:33:13 <LordAzamath> or you would get a tractor in _ view
16:33:29 <Ammller> it tooks time to see the waggons leave the depot
16:33:53 <LordAzamath> I made the power/speed so low, so you can align it percisely
16:34:10 <Ammller> hmm, did you test it with other sets?
16:34:30 <Ammller> I am not sure about that, if you have many trains, it could take long to stop
16:34:42 <Ammller> I don't thing the speed needs to be high
16:35:14 <LordAzamath> when the speed is 19km/h it should stop instantly, shouldn't it? :O
16:35:32 <Ammller> yeah, I need to test that, not sure about
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16:36:12 <Gonozal_VIII> people get paid to get teenagers pregnant?
16:46:42 <Gonozal_VIII> look, strangeip!
16:47:14 <|Jeroen|> it aint strage, its just an ipv6 ip
16:47:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i know, that's strange^^
16:48:09 <LordAzamath> look! strangeBel[tab]
16:48:27 <LordAzamath> hello Belugas btw
16:49:39 <LordAzamath> oh.. That was the strange part? hmm.. now should come the Bel[tab] part :P
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17:48:13 <LordAzamath> Ühinesid kanaliga #openttf 19:47:24solenoid.oftc.net määras režiimi +nt kanalil #openttf
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18:36:44 <LordAzamath> maybe I should just drop the whole project though...
18:36:57 <LordAzamath> Takes too much time etc.
18:36:59 <Gonozal_VIII> that was a joke :P
18:37:47 <Gonozal_VIII> are those real screenshots?
18:38:02 <LordAzamath> what do you mean by real?
18:38:18 <Gonozal_VIII> coded, ingame and such
18:38:37 <LordAzamath> not well... I have temperate coded
18:38:58 <LordAzamath> and it's incredible easy to extend it to others
18:39:04 <LordAzamath> and palette is right
18:39:26 <LordAzamath> actually even that png there is indexed in right palette :P
18:39:52 <LordAzamath> but what do you think?
18:40:01 <LordAzamath> is now listening to: "Where You End" by "Moby" on "Hotel"
18:40:30 <LordAzamath> ahh.. that was /media order :P
18:40:41 <LordAzamath> is now listening to: "Where You End" by "Moby" on "Hotel"
18:41:04 <LordAzamath> I couldn't get it to work with /me
18:41:14 <Gonozal_VIII> just write /me in front of it...
18:41:19 <LordAzamath> /me is now listening to: "Where You End" by "Moby" on "Hotel"
18:41:25 * Belugas is still hooked on RadioHead
18:42:05 <LordAzamath> I dunno, maybe it's fault of Kopete
18:42:19 <LordAzamath> is now listening to: "Daylight" by "Coldplay" on "A rush of blood to the head"
18:42:40 <glx> anyway we don't like these scripts here :)
18:42:53 <LordAzamath> hehe.. it's not automatic :P
18:43:05 <LordAzamath> Just when I type /media
18:43:08 <Gonozal_VIII> so because you did it so often now, you'll get permbanned :-)
18:44:54 <LordAzamath> who wants to get op?
18:45:07 <LordAzamath> I can make you all..if you join #openttf :P
18:46:10 <LordAzamath> why are you voice?
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18:47:04 <LordAzamath> Smat Z just got deopped at #openttf :P
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18:57:53 <Belugas> Hooooo.... LA[quite|quiet], nice
19:02:43 <P00_22> hello.. i need help with ttd
19:03:10 <P00_22> it also happens to be my first time using irc...
19:04:27 <P00_22> anyways, when i started playing, i followed the tutorial and built some rial roads. then i restarted the game and now there is no dialogue box for the trains when i click the icon.. so ya, i can't build trains
19:05:26 <P00_22> can't build that either, theres no menu!!
19:05:45 <P00_22> like on teh top toolbar, when i click the railroad nothing pops up..
19:06:42 <Gonozal_VIII> may be to early for trains
19:18:01 <peter1138> But now that you've been used, we may now throw you into outer space.
19:21:00 * Gonozal_VIII floats around in nothingness.. bored
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19:27:19 <LA[quite|quiet]> I now coded them :) and added WIP tropical too
19:27:30 <Gonozal_VIII> no forum here in space :P
19:28:14 <LA[quite|quiet]> You are next to alt or alt-gr, Gonozal_VIII?
19:29:03 <LA[quite|quiet]> come ooooonnn..
19:29:16 <LA[quite|quiet]> comment or I won't be quite quiet anymore
19:30:05 <Gonozal_VIII> 3 million dollar for music O_o
19:30:32 *** LA[quite|quiet] is now known as LA[quite|ignored]
19:37:59 <LA[quite|ignored]> ok.. I go now..
19:38:12 <LA[quite|ignored]> maybe to sleep..
19:38:21 <LA[quite|ignored]> good night anyway
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19:51:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Bjarni
19:52:43 <Gonozal_VIII> what greeting one?
19:52:54 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! <-- that one
19:53:49 <Bjarni> you really mean that you sit around waiting for me to show up?
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19:54:43 <Gonozal_VIII> nope, i just type bjarni!
19:55:07 <Gonozal_VIII> you just happen to join right before that all the time
19:55:19 <Bjarni> you sit around on IRC waiting for me to show up so you can write "bjarni!"
19:55:19 <Gonozal_VIII> totally coincidential
19:56:30 <Gonozal_VIII> nah, i'm watching videos and irc is open next to it
19:57:05 <Gonozal_VIII> i was even helpful earlier!
19:57:23 <Bjarni> you watch porn so you have a boner when you see me???
19:57:57 <Gonozal_VIII> why would i need porn for that? :P
19:58:12 <Bjarni> I don't know you anymore
19:58:56 <Gonozal_VIII> don't ask such questions if you don't want such answers :P
19:58:56 <Bjarni> you know I bet there is a name in latin for a guy who falls in love with another guy's name
19:59:19 <Bjarni> not the person but the name
19:59:28 <Gonozal_VIII> those latinians must be really strange people
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20:00:13 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: Freud could spent ages studying you
20:00:27 <Bjarni> too bad he is dead by now
20:00:43 <Bjarni> peter1138: that makes no sense as a general term
20:07:39 <ben_goodger> that would probably be "nomenclatadamor"
20:08:29 <Bjarni> it would have been better if I knew how to say that
20:08:47 <Bjarni> now I need to open a text file to look up what to call Gonozal_VIII
20:15:19 <Ammller> Gonozal_VIII: is there a thread or other place, where I could speak with the creator of the patch "stop in middle of station"?
20:15:36 <Ammller> you linked directly to the diff
20:16:06 <Gonozal_VIII> a secret irc channel on the hidden oftc network called #openttd
20:16:29 <Ammller> means, no Thread about that patch?
20:17:01 <Gonozal_VIII> the creator usually goes by the name Eddi|zuHause[somenumber]
20:20:29 <Ammller> :) Now, I know, how the spamer this evening did bring his msg around
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20:28:01 <peter1138> where, when and how?
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20:36:01 <Belugas> # Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
20:36:09 <Belugas> # Send my subscription to the House of Detention
20:36:25 <Belugas> # I've got some Friiiiiiends insideeeeeeeeeee
20:36:37 <Gonozal_VIII> you ate your friends?
20:36:54 <Belugas> # the face in the mirror won't stop
20:37:03 <Belugas> # the gils in the window wont dtrop
20:37:19 <Gonozal_VIII> belugas is broken again...
20:38:11 * Belugas is listening to The Doors - When the Music's Over
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20:44:15 <Belugas> # music ios your only friend
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20:47:22 <Belugas> contacting my customer for an info
20:47:32 <Belugas> "Call back, he's praying"
20:48:00 <Belugas> or whatever how it's written
20:48:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Ammller> Gonozal_VIII: is there a thread or other place, where I could speak with the creator of the patch "stop in middle of station"? <- what exactly is up?
20:48:53 <Gonozal_VIII> ammler wrote something in my patchpack topic
20:49:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> and do i have to search that link by myself now?
20:50:03 <Ammller> also the suggestion of the following post is interesting...
20:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i thought about both of that, but it'd make the patch several magnitudes more complicate
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20:54:31 <Ammller> Eddi|zuHause3: but if it would stop on terminus at the end, it would be "trunkish", I assume
20:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, but you need a function to check wether a platform is terminus or not
20:56:40 <Ammller> you can use the same function which check if a train has to return or can drive forward?
20:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i have this "proper" idea in my mind...
20:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> "programmable stations"
20:58:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> where "station" is "a place with at least one switch" [real railway definition]
20:59:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> which would be like a superset of programmable signals/switches
20:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> it could then easily contain stopping positions (depending on train length etc.)
21:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> but it's a huge project, and i don't see me tackling it
21:04:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> considering the whole station as a unit would also allow for some shunting options
21:12:34 <peter1138> 'Your search - "a place with at least one switch" - did not match any documents.'
21:12:41 <peter1138> not a very good quite, really...
21:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> Fachsprachlich ist der Bahnhof in Deutschland durch die Eisenbahn-Bau- und Betriebsordnung definiert:
21:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> „Bahnhöfe sind Bahnanlagen mit mindestens einer Weiche, wo Züge beginnen, enden, kreuzen, überholen oder mit Gleiswechsel wenden dürfen.“
21:16:31 <Gonozal_VIII> then my town doesn't have a station
21:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Nach der österreichischen Definition muss ein Bahnhof nicht unbedingt eine Weiche aufweisen."
21:17:39 <Gonozal_VIII> makes much more sense
21:17:45 <Belugas> why must i hae to recompile for the change to apply ???
21:18:37 <peter1138> See, that's probably just a German definition for German people who speak German.
21:19:01 <peter1138> Belugas, disgusting, isn't it...
21:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> i did not say it was all railways ;)
21:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> but there is at least one that does that
21:20:19 <Gonozal_VIII> a station with only one platform on a single track is still a station
21:23:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's a "Haltepunkt" in the german definition
21:25:46 <peter1138> i don't know if you guys heard
21:25:53 <peter1138> but we had some shocking news
21:26:35 <peter1138> graphics_master retired... i know we're all deeply upset
21:27:06 <Sacro> peter1138: what about all his sets?
21:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> do i have to know this person?
21:27:52 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know him either
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21:33:31 <peter1138> Aahnnnnnd, he's back!
21:35:31 <peter1138> Oh I wouldn't go that far.
21:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think i'll also do some kind of reboot style thing
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21:44:04 <Vikthor> I won't. I am just running emerge -u world parallel to OpenTTD an I have no desire to start emerge again afterwards ;)
21:44:24 <Vikthor> * OpenTTD compilation
22:15:28 <FV> I have a quick question...anyone?
22:15:40 <Sacro> that was a quick question
22:15:46 <FV> How do you unjam a plane jam??? LOL
22:16:52 <glx> unless you have stopped a plane
22:17:30 <FV> six jumbos, two claim they are in flight, I've used every combo of orders for all six
22:17:59 <peter1138> and the version of ottd
22:18:16 <FV> it's the latest night version....
22:18:32 <FV> where would you like the save?
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22:29:21 <FV> BTW...long, long, long, time TT player and these new updates are awesone!
22:31:01 <FV> Are you still with me glx?
22:35:20 <glx> FV: there's a stopped plane in the depot
22:36:02 <FV> let me look, I'm not usually THAT thick LOL
22:38:48 <FV> Ok, I got him, he was not showing up in the depot window when I opened it. I assumed it was empty...hmm I should have looked at my aircraft list...
22:38:58 <FV> Thanks, now I feel stupid LOL
22:40:38 <FV> Loving the game BTW. My wife is a TTD widow once again.
22:41:02 <FV> Still waiting for the sodor set for my 4 year old LOL
22:42:37 <FV> Ok, gotta run but I'll be around and contribute as much as I can, this is a worthwhile project... .Thanks for the help..
22:50:43 <Gonozal_VIII> you're writing it all wrong
22:52:38 <ln-> ladies and gentlemen, i'd have a small translation request.
22:53:13 <Gonozal_VIII> would make sense to mention the language
22:53:28 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: whats the point, he's already sorted it
22:55:07 <ln-> we have: "GenericName=Text Editor", "Comment=Fast, extendable programmers' text editor"
22:56:10 <ln-> i have some versions for deutsch, nederlands, swedish, finnish; i'd be interested in languages other than those.
22:58:36 <Fujitsu> ln-: The GNOME HIG recommends the the comment start with a verb.
22:59:24 <Sacro> Astfay extendableay rogrammerspay exttay editoray
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22:59:50 <ln-> Fujitsu: fortunately we're not bound by GNOME HIG. (but good to know.)
23:00:01 <Fujitsu> Why on't you follow it?
23:00:08 <Fujitsu> That's what the rest of them do.
23:00:18 <Fujitsu> (sorry, my d key is fairly broken)
23:00:20 <ln-> it's not a GNOME program.
23:00:41 <Fujitsu> Consistency is good, and we normally like to follow it even in non-GNOME programs.
23:01:04 <ln-> ben_goodger: sure, if you know esperanto.
23:02:12 <ln-> Sacro: what is the ISO language code for that... gibberish?
23:03:21 <ben_goodger> that'd be 'tekstredaktilo' and 'rapida, etendabla tekstredaktilo por programistoj'
23:03:47 <ln-> Sacro: zomfg, such a locale really exists.
23:04:06 <ben_goodger> ISO 639-1 code is eo
23:04:32 <ben_goodger> you get a prize for pronouncing "tekstredaktilo" correctly
23:05:49 <ben_goodger> ought it be "for programming" instead of "for programmers"?
23:06:38 <ln-> ben_goodger: the translator should have that much freedom.
23:07:12 <ben_goodger> s/programistoj/programado
23:08:37 <ben_goodger> esperanto follows english-like rules of capitalisation; both of the "tekstredatilo"j come with built-in indefinite articles
23:09:55 <ben_goodger> that's me finished
23:09:59 <Sacro> ben_goodger: please terminate your sed commands :p
23:10:16 <ben_goodger> I've only seen it used like that
23:10:23 <ben_goodger> how many languages do you have now?
23:10:50 <ln-> de, piglatin, eo, fi, nl, sv
23:11:29 <ben_goodger> is the source published for this program anywhere? I lack a degree in emacs, but would like python autocompletion
23:11:36 <Gonozal_VIII> piglatin... very important
23:11:50 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: ootay ightray
23:12:25 <Gonozal_VIII> bah, can't read that crap
23:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> <Fujitsu> ln-: The GNOME HIG recommends the the comment start with a verb. <- what kind of sense does this rule make?
23:13:09 <ben_goodger> not a lot, but it's at least consistent
23:13:51 <ben_goodger> when was this fork made?
23:14:08 <ben_goodger> it's not in debian
23:14:24 <ln-> ben_goodger: something like a month ago.
23:14:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it is totally weird... either you have a full sentence, which rarely starts with a verb, or you have a non-sentence phrase, which rarely has a verb at all
23:15:36 <ben_goodger> I think it's a lot like copyright law
23:16:14 <ben_goodger> the citizenry don't obey it, the executive don't enforce it, the judiciary don't punish against it and the legislature don't understand it
23:16:29 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: they are probably expecting descritions like "See the current time", "Browse your porn collection instantly", ... but that doesn't work well with everything.
23:17:04 <Fujitsu> Ekiga is `Talk to people over the Internet' and Epiphany is `Browse the web'
23:18:47 <ln-> let's comment on this: "Comment[de]=Schneller, erweiterbarer Programmeditor" .. it's not exactly the same as english, at least, but is it otherwise ok?
23:18:47 <Sacro> The Eiffel Tower is such a waste of meccano...
23:18:58 <ln-> should the comparative be removed
23:19:19 <ben_goodger> `edit text quickly and extensibly' is 'tekstredakti rapide kaj etenable' if it's needed...
23:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> in german, such kind of phrases usually have the verb in the end of the sentence
23:21:51 <ben_goodger> ln-: be sure to tell me when efte is in debian, but I've installed fte now and am liking it
23:22:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: it's not a comparative, it's a declination
23:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it just coincidentally looks the same ;)
23:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you notice when you insert an adjective that has an irregular comparative
23:24:33 <Eddi|zuHause> good boy -> guter Junge
23:24:43 <Eddi|zuHause> better boy -> besserer Junge
23:26:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but don't expect me to explain the grammatical rules of that
23:26:40 <Eddi|zuHause> as a native speaker, you just do The Right Thing (tm)
23:27:43 <nicfer> Hi, I am UnderBuiilder with a new nick
23:30:13 <ln-> then, comments on this: Comment[nl]=Snelle, uitbreidbare tekst editor voor programmeurs
23:30:17 <ben_goodger> ln-: how do you get it to make a new file?
23:30:51 <ln-> ben_goodger: press F3 as in "open file", and enter the desired filename.
23:31:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: what you can do is replace "Programmeditor" with "Texteditor für Programmierer"
23:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it's closer to the original, and like this dutch one
23:33:46 <ben_goodger> it doesn't autocomplete
23:33:57 <ln-> Bjarni: would you like to speak in languages?
23:34:16 <ln-> ben_goodger: yeah, it's not perfect, but very near.
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23:35:20 <ben_goodger> I have yet to find a text editor that can do what VS.Net does, which is to display a tooltip to the effect of "int(<i>chr</i>)" when one types "int("
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23:38:33 <Sacro> as does monodevelop, eclipse
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23:47:27 <ln-> french? danish? any non-fictional language?
23:57:38 <nicfer> what is lacking to openttd? what can be improved?
23:58:42 <Gonozal_VIII> lots and everything, there will always be stuff that can be changed
23:59:10 <Gonozal_VIII> that's part of the fun^^
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