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00:00:33 <fjb> But please paint new graphics for the markers...
00:00:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm no artist...
00:01:18 <Gonozal_VIII> well... i'm no coder either
00:01:52 <Chrill> but they'll arrest me anyways
00:03:37 <Gonozal_VIII> first i would have to silence all those warnings..
00:03:52 <fjb> Be carefull, CIA is always on this chanel.
00:04:20 <Gonozal_VIII> comparison between signed and unsigned integer <-- stuff like that... easy... but there are some where i don't even know what they mean, even less how to fix them
00:05:08 <fjb> Then don't care about it. That are just warnings. Who did ever care for warnings?
00:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> if it compiles, ship it ;)
00:07:00 <fjb> Yeah. Let the users find the bugs. Then only take care for the bugs they found.
00:07:30 <Gonozal_VIII> trunk compiles without warnings... i want to keep it that way
00:08:42 <fjb> Now you found the reason why some patches didn't make it into the trunk.
00:10:39 <Gonozal_VIII> for some reason my explorer froze...
00:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, they did it right ;)
00:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, this sarah connor episode was weird...
00:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> oohh, i killed him ;)
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00:14:37 <fjb> You killed him with Sarah Connor? Strange...
00:14:57 <Gonozal_VIII> what's a sarah connor episode?
00:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles
00:15:43 <Gonozal_VIII> never heard of that..
00:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> new series, started about a month ago
00:17:35 <Gonozal_VIII> Downloaded 5 times <-- that's not much
00:17:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have the wrong source ;)
00:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have over 30000 peers
00:18:35 <Gonozal_VIII> Gonozal_VIIIIN^^
00:18:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> you make weird jumps of topics ;)
00:19:28 <Gonozal_VIII> it's irc... you're supposed to do that here
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00:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm supposed to go to bed... but do i do that?
00:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i'm missing a primeval episode...
00:27:30 <Gonozal_VIII> why the hell do i have transparent windows now
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00:56:55 <Gonozal_VIII> warning: converting to non-pointer type `uint16' from NULL
00:57:08 <Gonozal_VIII> what's the int value of null? 0?
00:58:48 <Gonozal_VIII> so if i replace those NULLs with 0 it should do the same and silence the warning?
00:58:52 <fjb> At least most of the time.
00:59:52 <fjb> No, NULL is a pointer to nothing. Pointers are 32 or 64 bit. How big is int?
01:00:13 <Gonozal_VIII> i would guess uint16 is 16 bit^^
01:00:22 <fjb> And is a pointer to nothing really represented by 0? Most of the time it is, but is that always the case?
01:00:47 <fjb> There is part of your trouble.
01:00:59 <fjb> Why does the pointer get converted?
01:02:05 <Gonozal_VIII> those seem to be no real pointers but enumified sprites and strings
01:02:50 <Gonozal_VIII> so i use str_null instead of null :-)
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01:05:50 <Gonozal_VIII> the lines in question seem to be inside an array of widgets
01:06:14 <Gonozal_VIII> {WWT_PANEL, RESIZE_NONE, 7, 0, 57, 14, 45, NULL, STR_NULL},
01:08:14 <fjb> Oh, that is bad. What kind off array does get initialized by that?
01:08:32 <Gonozal_VIII> static const Widget _build_routemarker_widgets[] = {
01:09:20 <Rubidium> fjb: what is bad about it?
01:09:24 <Gonozal_VIII> 8 times null inside and 8 warnings about null
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01:10:20 <fjb> Rubidium: Is it always sure that a pointer has the same size as an integer?
01:10:24 <Rubidium> except the use of NULL
01:11:02 <fjb> Rubidium: That is bad about NULL in that array.
01:11:07 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't work too well with 16 bit pointers i guess
01:11:19 <Rubidium> there must not be a pointer in there
01:11:45 <Rubidium> and I don't know what you took as example, but it wouldn't have used NULL
01:11:46 <fjb> Rubidium: That's why I said bad.
01:11:52 <Gonozal_VIII> changing it to str_null would silence the warning... but is that the same?
01:12:07 <Rubidium> anyhow, it isn't an array
01:12:14 <Rubidium> so NULL could've been valid
01:12:40 <Rubidium> if the 8th variable of the struct would've been a pointer
01:12:41 <Gonozal_VIII> not array? looks like an array... but i suck at c(++)
01:12:45 <fjb> Yes, it could, we have to know what that gets assigned to.
01:12:58 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: already told that
01:13:30 <fjb> NULL is bad in an array of 16bit integers...
01:13:42 <Gonozal_VIII> well, i'll just try str_null and see what happens
01:14:07 <Rubidium> fjb: unless you have a 16 bit processor ;)
01:15:10 <fjb> Rubidium: Unless your prozessor uses 16bit pointers.
01:15:31 <fjb> 8086 uses 20bit pointers.
01:15:47 <Rubidium> better use 23 bits pointer then ;)
01:15:50 <Gonozal_VIII> well, the warnings are gone
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01:53:39 <Gonozal_VIII> In member function `int CYapfCostRailT<Types>::RoutemarkerCost(typename Types::NodeList::Titem&, TileIndex, Trackdir) [with Types = CYapfRail_TypesT<CYapfAnyDepotRail2, CFollowTrackRailNo90, CRailNodeListTrackDir, CYapfDestinationAnyDepotRailT, CYapfFollowAnyDepotRailT>]':
01:53:50 <Gonozal_VIII> instantiated from `bool CYapfCostRailT<Types>::PfCalcCost(typename Types::NodeList::Titem&, const typename Types::TrackFollower*) [with Types = CYapfRail_TypesT<CYapfAnyDepotRail2, CFollowTrackRailNo90, CRailNodeListTrackDir, CYapfDestinationAnyDepotRailT, CYapfFollowAnyDepotRailT>]'
01:54:56 <fjb> Two different templates with the same name.
01:55:28 <glx> you miss the important part :)
01:55:45 <glx> (the warning or the error)
01:56:24 <Gonozal_VIII> there is no warning or error, just lots of that stuff
01:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, and the last bit is the warning/error
01:56:49 <fjb> That are templates, kind of generic type.
01:58:10 <glx> you removed the important lies
01:59:34 <glx> because these lines don't tell anything
01:59:49 <Gonozal_VIII> yay, than i understand them correctly
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02:03:13 <Gonozal_VIII> but i didn't remove anything from those lines, only the other warnings that i already fixed
02:14:18 <Gonozal_VIII> now it's the full output
02:15:33 <glx> c:/OpenTTD/test/source/src/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp:137: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions
02:15:51 <glx> that's the warning causing all the output
02:15:51 <Gonozal_VIII> fixed that with (int)
02:17:06 <Gonozal_VIII> oh... thanks then^^
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02:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> i told you... the last line is the warning...
02:27:35 <Gonozal_VIII> already fixed that, didn't think that all the other crazy stuff was about that
02:28:25 <Gonozal_VIII> "fixed" i don't know if casting it to int really fixes it... at least the warnings are gone
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02:31:00 <Gonozal_VIII> now the linking failed :S
02:31:06 <Gonozal_VIII> undefined reference to bla
02:34:27 <Gonozal_VIII> yay, finally compiled without warnings and seems to work
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02:42:41 <Gonozal_VIII> yay 2 new warnings and 3 errors
02:43:11 <Gonozal_VIII> invalid conversion from int to windowclass
02:43:28 <Gonozal_VIII> cannot convert const widget* to windowclass
02:44:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12068 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Fix(r12067): forgot a return
03:00:08 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaah min and default size
03:01:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12069 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Feature[newGRF]: Specify the purchase, rail and road description of a bridge.
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03:02:53 <Gonozal_VIII> so from now on the brick viaduct is called brick viaduct :-)
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03:05:51 <Gonozal_VIII> misunderstood it then...
03:07:34 <Belugas> you can spedify the name you want it to be
03:07:49 <Belugas> it culd be "life on mars" if you wish
03:08:02 <Gonozal_VIII> then it is what i thought :-)
03:08:19 <Belugas> and as a bonus, the 2 last bridges of ottd can be named as you wish too, which was not possible until then
03:11:51 <fjb> Which are the bridges that are not in TTDP?
03:34:35 <Tefad> hey guys i'm requesting ttdx music for this guy
03:35:18 <Gonozal_VIII> how are the grfs compiled from the source, there are no nfo or pcx files?
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03:38:33 <Gonozal_VIII> oh.. are they just rename from that .svn-base thingy?
03:48:07 <glx> they are in svn://svn.openttd.org/extra
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04:50:09 <DaleStan> Any newgrf devs around now? And if so, what does Open do for bit 4 of varaction2 variable 1B?
04:58:44 <Gonozal_VIII> you're expecting a bit too much for that time
05:04:13 <DaleStan> I suspected as much, but figured it was at least worth asking.
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06:51:18 <DJ-Nekkid> DaleStan: i thought you were the newgrf expert :)
06:51:58 <DaleStan> In Patch. Not in Open.
06:52:29 <DaleStan> Open's newgrf support is about as well documented as Patch's code. Not at all.
06:53:28 <Gonozal_VIII> as far as i understand, the code is not complete and gets changed as soon as some grf doesn't work as it should
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07:23:56 <Gonozal_VIII> what did you break now?
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08:56:40 <yorick> I'm trying to get the station track reservation in your YAPP, but its not redrawn when a train goes over it :(
08:57:26 <yorick> I do not have enough cpp knowledge to get that working
08:58:10 <yorick> I mean the newgrf changing station when reserved
09:02:05 <yorick> removes if pbs_debug_level >= 2
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09:15:43 <yorick> I have the PBS station reserved prop for newgrfs working
09:16:15 <peter1138> Yes, it was a simple patch...
09:16:39 <yorick> however, it did not redraw the station ;)
09:19:47 <peter1138> It did with pbs debugging ;)
09:20:21 <yorick> it works if pbs debug is set to 2 or higher
09:20:57 <yorick> I have just removed the if and let it be marked dirty in all cases
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09:37:24 <peter1138> RoR.bin: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
09:37:24 <peter1138> (0) : fatal error C9999: *** exception during compilation ***
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09:54:47 <Noldo> does it have a lot of ships?
09:56:40 <Noldo> I don't have the game here
09:56:54 <Noldo> ships on a big map are very cpu heavy
09:57:08 <Yorick> when I try to stop them, it drops to 80%
09:59:24 <Yorick> when was tonnes renamed to kg and litres to m3?
09:59:46 <Yorick> since I set it to SI instead of metric
10:00:36 <keyweed> how many furlongs per fortnight does your train do?
10:02:20 <keyweed> 1 (furlongs / fortnight) = 0.000166309524 m / s
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10:51:17 <redmonkey> hi. how many squares is a train able to look ahead (to find a drive-through service depot for example)?
10:52:36 <Yorick> yapf.look_ahead or something
10:53:18 <Yorick> for yapf, it looks ahead 10 signals by defaul
10:53:35 <Yorick> drive-through service depots don't exist
10:53:51 <Yorick> it can look ahead endlessly, I think
10:54:28 <redmonkey> i meant a depot placed like this
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10:57:51 <redmonkey> i have a train here with a reliability of 0% but it wouldn't like to go in such a depot
10:59:11 <Yorick> disable service when breakdowns are off set to on
10:59:29 <redmonkey> YAPF for trains is ON
11:00:00 <redmonkey> breakdowns are set to reduced
11:00:15 <Yorick> everytime I see a train passing throug a PBS signal, and there is another train in the same block, I think "they're gonna crash!"
11:00:24 <Yorick> breakdowns must be set to off
11:01:03 <Yorick> and then, you see the train changing its path the last moment ^^
11:01:45 <Yorick> I hope the YAPP hits trunk
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11:02:16 <redmonkey> but i don't want to disable breakdowns completely
11:02:37 <Noldo> blathijs: the new pbs thing
11:02:53 <blathijs> Yet Another PBS Project ? :-p
11:03:06 <blathijs> Noldo: Is it any good?
11:03:45 <Noldo> haven't tried, but people seem to like it
11:04:22 <Yorick> if you build it correctly, 0 crashes
11:04:58 <blathijs> Noldo: I was curious as to code quality in particular, but you haven't seen it
11:05:36 <Noldo> no and my code quality eye is quite lazy anyway
11:05:37 <Yorick> <belugas>I have not yet tried it, but i can cmpliment you at least
11:05:37 <Yorick> b) for the almost perfect compliance to the code style
11:05:37 <Yorick> c) for quite a good presentation :)
11:06:49 <peter1138> "<Yorick> everytime I see a train passing throug a PBS signal, ...." That's why I keep PBS paths visible... ;)
11:07:17 <Yorick> it isn't very visible with maglev
11:07:44 <peter1138> Oh, well I don't use maglev very often.
11:08:01 <peter1138> It arrives too late and is ugly, heh
11:09:06 <peter1138> There's nowhere to put it after a map has been filled with regular rails for 80 years.
11:09:19 <Yorick> you can start in 2022 ;)
11:09:28 <peter1138> That would be horrible.
11:09:39 <peter1138> I'd miss out on the early vehicles.
11:09:51 <DJ-Nekkid> peter1138: then you hopefully will love the 2cc set ;) *promote*
11:09:58 <peter1138> Clearly we have different goals when playing this game.
11:10:15 <DJ-Nekkid> purno's 2cc set ...
11:10:29 <DJ-Nekkid> *hook you up with link in a sec*
11:11:04 <DJ-Nekkid> now there are a handfull more coded as well
11:11:31 <DJ-Nekkid> and monorail is converted into metro's...
11:11:42 <peter1138> I prefer to use a country-themed set. UKRS, DBSetXL, USSet, etc...
11:11:44 <DJ-Nekkid> kinda slow, but high capacity inner city trains
11:12:06 <DJ-Nekkid> is that done yet Yorick ?
11:12:16 <DJ-Nekkid> all i've seen from that is a buggy alpha
11:16:39 <redmonkey> isn't it just too easy to disable breakdowns?
11:17:02 <Yorick> but there is no way to disable servicing then
11:18:53 <redmonkey> well, i don't want to disable servicing. i'm just wondering why some trains doesn't go to a depot to repair themself
11:19:10 <Yorick> the depots are too far away?
11:19:15 <redmonkey> it works on normal depots that are directly on a railtrack without any problem
11:19:30 <Yorick> I think they only service when there is a depot 20 tiles away from them
11:20:58 <Yorick> without having to turn somewhere
11:21:25 <Yorick> is it in need of servicing?
11:22:09 <Yorick> 150 days since the last service?
11:22:14 <redmonkey> hmm, i think it works with 6 tiles only
11:23:06 <redmonkey> i lowered the service interval to 90 days
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11:44:33 <peter1138> Boo, my A380 crashed :o
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11:47:57 <Yorick> go including variable aircrash rates then!
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12:06:10 <Yorick> [12:47] <Yorick> peter1138: go including variable aircrash rates then!
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12:20:23 <planetmaker> I got a question as I obviously miss something...
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12:20:38 <planetmaker> I just compiled ottd's latest nightly with the pbs patch.
12:21:02 <planetmaker> but many graphics are missing like those for the pre-signals and the autorail tool etc.
12:21:17 <planetmaker> Which file am I'm missing? ottd doesn't complain...
12:22:16 <SmatZ> planetmaker: what OS are you running? do you have subversion installed?
12:22:45 <SmatZ> or try ./configure --with
12:22:52 <SmatZ> or try ./configure --revision=rxxxxx
12:23:01 <planetmaker> I'm running SuSE linux 10.0. I have subversion
12:23:38 <planetmaker> yorick: there is one. It gets generated.
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12:24:10 <SmatZ> planetmaker: does OTTD window say OpenTTD r12xxxM , or OpenTTD norev0000 (or so...)
12:24:34 <planetmaker> the latter. It gives a warning that no revision is specified during compilation.
12:24:54 <peter1138> Best to check out the source with svn, rather than download the nightly's source.
12:25:20 <planetmaker> peter1138: never did that. can you give me a step by step instruction, please?
12:25:31 <peter1138> "svn checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/"
12:26:02 <Gekz> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/ openttd
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12:38:53 <redmonkey> wouldn't it be nice if there were a little extra program that loads your openttd savegames and displays it in 3d? where you're able to walk around and jump in into a train of yours and drive with it to the next stop? :)
12:40:38 <redmonkey> hehe, you don't have to tell me.. i'm not a programmer :)
12:41:47 <redmonkey> i mean a separate program
12:41:56 <redmonkey> as a side project or something
12:43:47 <SmatZ> redmonkey: yeah, it would be nice, you just need 3D models of all buildings, vehicles and all sprites generally...
12:45:37 <redmonkey> uhh, sound like a lot of work :)
12:50:12 <planetmaker> peter1138: SmatZ: thx. I'll give it a try with the svn version, patched with yapp. I'll know soon...
12:50:39 <planetmaker> whom? me? no. Linux
12:50:57 <Yorick> I would have had a windows binary here
12:51:23 <planetmaker> this evening I might give it a try on mac :). But if you have win binary with the latest yapp I'd be glad
12:51:47 <planetmaker> I prefer to play on my desktop that is. Can you e-mail me to newsgroups (ät) planetmaker.de ?
12:52:20 <Yorick> I've edited the patch so newGRF's with newStations can use the reservation state
12:52:48 <planetmaker> That definitely is no backdraw :). Any newgrf which I then should download?
12:53:26 <Yorick> the only grf I know that uses it is the Industrial Stations Renewal Set(train sheds opening/closing)
12:53:52 <Yorick> do you want only the binary or the language files and grf files too?
12:54:35 <planetmaker> that's in the ottdc grf package?
12:55:01 <planetmaker> If the language and grf files are compatible with normal nightly I'll have no problem to not receive them
12:55:09 <Yorick> the language files arent
12:55:25 <planetmaker> hm. I'd need an English or German version
12:56:03 <Yorick> Tar, 7-zip, Rar or zip
12:56:25 <planetmaker> anything except 7-zip is fine. preferred tar or zip
12:56:32 <DJ-Nekkid> what would the syntax for the running cost of train be? 0E xx xx 00 00 0D <factor> ?
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12:58:26 <planetmaker> peter1138: thx. the svn version compiled fine and no missing grf now
12:58:50 <planetmaker> Yorick: can you tell me? How do I place pbs signals?
12:59:12 <Gekz> point blank shot signals!
12:59:24 <DJ-Nekkid> and it will cycle between normal-pre-exit-combo-pbs
12:59:58 <Yorick> DJ-Nekkid: if you set it so in the patches
13:00:32 <Yorick> planetmaker: I don't like email, can I upload it somewhere?
13:00:54 <DJ-Nekkid> or use signal gui :)
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13:03:02 <planetmaker> DJ-Nekkid: seems easiest. thx
13:04:44 <Yorick> planetmaker: see download url above ^_^
13:05:07 <planetmaker> yorick: file downloaded. thx :)
13:06:05 <planetmaker> Okay, I think I'll have get to work now again :) and play around this evening...
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13:06:57 <pm|work> I just got too curious with so many people trying out this nice new patch :)
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13:08:40 <Yorick> I think that how many people use this patch and not the official openttd nightlys influences the time it gets included :-P
13:10:35 <Yorick> there is already a server running with the patch
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13:15:13 <orudge`> but only until tomorrow evening
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13:21:24 <Sacro> our agent with a brazillian?
13:22:18 <orudge`> you make jokes like that far too much, Sacro, they weren't funny the first time :p
13:30:41 <Sacro> q a b c=putStrLn $ b ++ [toEnum 10,'q','('] ++ show b ++ [','] ++ show c ++ [','] ++ show a ++ [')']
13:30:41 <Sacro> main=q "q a b c=putStrLn $ b ++ [toEnum 10,'q','('] ++ show b ++ [','] ++ show c ++ [','] ++ show a ++ [')']" "def q(a,b,c):print b+chr(10)+'q('+repr(b)+','+repr(c)+','+repr(a)+')'" "def e(x) return 34.chr+x+34.chr end;def q(a,b,c) print b+10.chr+'main=q '+e(b)+' '+e(c)+' '+e(a)+' '+10.chr end"
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14:15:19 <Yorick> there is exactly one YAPP testing server from tycoonez.com:munity, but its in 1930>no rail to build :(
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14:26:15 <Sacro> i wanna play with PBS D:
14:26:36 <Vikthor> Yorick: Its with usset, ther should be trains
14:26:54 <Typhoon> does anyone know if TTDAlter works on Vista/
14:27:18 <orudge`> but I don't see why it shouldn't work
14:27:36 <Vikthor> Yorick: ahh, now i remember I switched them off. But I forgot to change the year
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14:29:10 <Yorick> its being compiled for openttdcoop.dev ;)
14:29:47 <orudge`> 11:27:19] <Yorick> not for ottd <-- he asked about Vista, not OpenTTD ;)
14:29:57 <orudge`> TTDAlter has never worked with OpenTTD, obviously
14:33:13 <Vikthor> Now it's 1930 but with Usset :D
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14:41:34 * peter1138 wonders how Sacro will cope with not being able to place signals every other tile...
14:41:45 <peter1138> Hmm, well I suppose you can...
14:42:38 <orudge`> why wouldn't he be able to?
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14:55:43 <keyweed> you should. every tile should have a sign!
14:57:53 <peter1138> Is there a short-cut key for one-way roads?
14:59:30 <Sacro> peter1138: i hate having to do that
14:59:56 <Sacro> it tends to be the only way thouhg
15:00:21 <Sacro> anything longer is inefficient when doing points
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15:03:48 <DJ-Nekk|d> what would be the proper way to make a vehicle never expire? \b0 or \b255 ?
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15:28:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> arghh... my system is awfully screwed up today...
15:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> i had memory overflow earlier today... something didn't recover from that properly...
15:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'll try to restart X
15:32:29 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r12070 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup(r12042): Water-owner of shipdepots is no longer needed. Removed.
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16:04:48 <Gonozal_VIII> why is the channel so silent?
16:05:29 <ln-> you only arrived 5 mins ago.
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16:12:35 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r12071 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp water.h water_cmd.cpp): -Feature(ette): Draw river- and canal-edges under docks and shipdepots.
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16:17:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i just had a crash...
16:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> reversing train while waiting at signal...
16:18:54 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: these may not happen under any circumstances
16:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: well, i just saved 5 days before ;)
16:19:40 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r12072 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp water_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Make docks at sea flood neighboured tiles.
16:19:46 <Gonozal_VIII> load because of a crash? naaah
16:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> load because of finding out why
16:20:19 <Gonozal_VIII> reversing train while waiting at signal...
16:20:58 <Gonozal_VIII> goes to the other signal behind him from the backside, can't stop, no path, boom
16:23:27 <Gonozal_VIII> they should only be allowed to pass through the backside of a signal if they have a path
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16:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause> there was no signal behind it
16:25:50 <Gonozal_VIII> then what did it crash into?
16:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it went straight back on the crossing
16:27:35 <Eddi|zuHause> before it reached anything like a signal, it crashed with another train
16:28:23 <Gonozal_VIII> you reversed a train into a crossing without any signals?
16:28:39 <Gonozal_VIII> and you're wondering about the crash?^^
16:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it reversed by itself!!
16:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> because it waited too long at a signal!
16:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i was on the other side of the map!
16:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause> no, normal signal
16:29:55 <Gonozal_VIII> see... there's your problem
16:30:05 <Gonozal_VIII> they don't reverse at pbs signals
16:30:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it is not a problem
16:30:15 <Eddi|zuHause> this is how it is intended
16:30:43 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc said it himself yesterday... all entrance signals PBS, all exit signals normal signals
16:30:46 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... bad layout, crash, this is how it is intended :-)
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16:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> you are an idiot
16:31:59 <Gonozal_VIII> hahahahahahahahahahahaha
16:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> this is exactly the scenario why the last PBS patch was rejected
16:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> train reverses -> boom
16:32:49 <Gonozal_VIII> then don't use normal signals there or a pbs signal in front of the crossing...
16:33:05 <Gonozal_VIII> no signal at all, how is the train supposed to know it has to stop?
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16:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the train is not supposed to go there
16:36:19 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a don't care on that it has to stop
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16:39:41 <peter1138> Why is it so hard to understand?
16:43:04 <Belugas> i do NOT want to visit that city...
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16:46:23 <ln-> wtf, it is already going straight ahead, but then magically jumps to left?
16:47:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i found a big wtf just now
16:47:32 <Gonozal_VIII> a train waits patiently in front of a pbs signal for another train to pass by..
16:47:42 <Gonozal_VIII> but then suddenly the signal turns green and crash
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16:49:36 <Gonozal_VIII> and now another train ignored an empty platform and entered the busy one... boom again
16:50:20 <keyweed> el quaeda suicide trains mod?
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16:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: there is a funny sideffect when a train without a reservation is on a track
16:52:22 <Gonozal_VIII> besides the boom?
16:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause> when a train reserves a track underneath another train
16:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that other train clears the reservation while it is going on
16:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> so even when these two trains miss each other
16:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the third train faces unreserved track
16:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so it can delay the crash
16:53:43 <Gonozal_VIII> years later some trains crash there for no visible reason^^
16:54:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, because one train gets delayed by cosmic dust or so
16:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> BR 250... that's a useful engine for once...
16:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, from 254 (= E 94) to 250, rather...
17:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a few E 44, too
17:01:53 <Gonozal_VIII> they don't look past the next order... pathfinder flaw
17:03:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 39 194 and 38 150
17:04:23 <Gonozal_VIII> what's a 194? i think i never used those
17:04:49 <Eddi|zuHause> E 94 (DRG) == 194 (DB) == 254 (DR)
17:05:24 <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII, that might be solved by implicit signals at platform ends
17:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> getting confused yet? ;)
17:06:07 <peter1138> DBSetXL has way too many engines that are very similar
17:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, like 181 and 111 at the same time...
17:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> one is a tiny bit faster, the other a tiny bit stronger
17:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> lifetime of engines should be more random...
17:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> when i bougth them at the same time, they all get old at the same time
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17:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> that is totally unrealistic
17:10:01 <Gonozal_VIII> Gonozal_VIII, that might be solved by implicit signals at platform ends <-- could cause deadlocks with a station setup like on my screenshot
17:10:52 <peter1138> then a complete path needs to be reserved
17:11:02 <Gonozal_VIII> they should always reserve a path all the way to the next signal or end of the line, no matter if it really wants to go there
17:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> if the pathfinder has no idea where to go from the station, which path should it reserve?
17:13:42 <Belugas> [12:08] <Eddi|zuHause> that is totally unrealistic <--- Good! I like it! let's keep it that way :D
17:14:16 <Gonozal_VIII> if the path splits without signals, reserve both
17:15:50 <Gonozal_VIII> because if it doesn't do that other trains could enter from there... destined to crash because there are no signals
17:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... autoreplace fails...
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17:26:35 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, reserving both is not good
17:27:54 <Gonozal_VIII> look and reserve the following orders until it reaches a safe place
17:28:17 <Eddi|zuHause> possible infinite loop
17:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, you cannot reserve backwards
17:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you free this track when you go over it
17:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause> even when you intend to go over it a second time
17:29:19 <Gonozal_VIII> why reserve backwards?
17:31:02 <Gonozal_VIII> if it turns around, end of path is reached
17:31:28 <Eddi|zuHause> trains can reverse in stations
17:31:49 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, then it reserves the platform
17:32:00 <Gonozal_VIII> and no other train can reserve a path to it
17:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but it can reverse and go out of the station without passing another signal
17:33:37 <Gonozal_VIII> with the setup in my screenshot, there could still be a train from the leftmost station to the left middle and a train from the right to the right middle at the same time if they both turn around
17:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> on previously unreserved track
17:34:04 <Gonozal_VIII> oh right... the reservation back is gone
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17:40:24 <UnderBuilder> one question... how can I install openttd on damn small linux?
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17:41:31 <UnderBuilder> it uses their own package manager
17:42:06 <Gonozal_VIII> since when does openttd need an installation?
17:42:09 <Prof_Frink> I'd go with "build from source".
17:48:51 <Yorick> it seems like trains that are 'lost' can drive through PBS without a reservation...
17:50:58 <pm|work> We / I could supply a save where to demonstrate that.
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17:55:16 <UnderBuilder> are you answering to me?
17:56:11 <UnderBuilder> <UnderBuilder> one question... how can I install openttd on damn small linux?
17:56:27 <Gonozal_VIII> openttd doesn't need installation
17:56:52 <UnderBuilder> quote trainlord: huh?
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18:04:32 <UnderBuilder> in that thread it says that I need to get some libraries which seems to be painful to install
18:05:33 <SmatZ> choose other distribution
18:05:51 <SmatZ> this is not OTTD problem, but rather DSL problem
18:06:01 <UnderBuilder> my pc is a p2 celeron with 256mb ram
18:06:12 <UnderBuilder> processor clock: 300mhz
18:06:31 <SmatZ> I am running Gentoo on slower PC :-p
18:09:41 <DaleStan> Belugas, peter1138: Do either of you know what Open does for bit 4 of varaction2 variable 1B? (1B is display options. Bit 4 is transparency.)
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18:11:46 <glx> case 0x1B: return GB(_display_opt, 0, 6);
18:13:23 <glx> it does nothing (we don't have bit 4
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18:14:57 <Belugas> /* Display Options */
18:14:57 <Belugas> DO_SHOW_TOWN_NAMES = 0,
18:14:57 <Belugas> DO_SHOW_STATION_NAMES = 1,
18:14:59 <Belugas> DO_FULL_ANIMATION = 3,
18:15:15 <Belugas> DaleStan, why? you have an idea?
18:15:24 <Belugas> or... does ttdp uses it?
18:15:50 <SmatZ> maybe different sprites are used when transparency is set?
18:17:14 <DaleStan> That's the possibility, indeed. TTDPatch doesn't use it, but some GRF authors may.
18:18:10 <DaleStan> At least in my mind, TTDPatch doesn't "use" the NFO spec.
18:18:54 <DaleStan> More precisely, some sprites may cause ugliness in transparent mode, and just don't get drawn.
18:20:15 <Belugas> mmh... ottd has a setting specially for transparencies, where quite a few stuff can be turned transparent
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18:20:55 <Belugas> i wonder if we should set the bit 4 whenever a transparent option is turned on, then
18:21:00 <Belugas> or something like that
18:21:25 <Belugas> which should be quite trivial to do
18:21:59 <peter1138> Depends on the feature :o
18:24:17 <DirtYiCE> any noai or squirrel people here?
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18:24:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, another unexplainable crash...
18:25:01 <Belugas> blame it on the cosmic rays :D
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18:25:48 <Amis> OTTD is 20% game code 30% elements and 50% unknown soul
18:26:36 <DaleStan> What I've got is that every time getnewsprite gets called, I set bit 4 of displayoptions according to the transparency option that applies to grffeature, but I was wondering if there was a better solution.
18:27:46 <Belugas> "according to the transparency option that applies to grffeature" you lost me there :(
18:28:07 <peter1138> "Regardless, TTD [...] will become abandon ware in 2 years"
18:28:11 <peter1138> Funniest thing ever...
18:28:37 <Eddi|zuHause> more like 102 years ;)
18:28:48 <Eddi|zuHause> probably won't suffice
18:28:57 <DaleStan> grffeature is the global that sets which feature is being queried for new sprites. So, if it's 04, I use the station transparency setting; if it's 09, I use the industry transparency setting, and so on.
18:28:59 <Gonozal_VIII> it's been "abandonware" for lots of years
18:29:10 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't change any copyright
18:29:36 <Belugas> ok, understood, DaleStan
18:30:20 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: abandonware doesn't exist
18:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> word of advise: never try to resolve a deadlock by placing PBS ;)
18:31:56 <Belugas> DaleStan, maybe a new var? Exposing the real transparency mode, i mean
18:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (but this is not the reason for that crash)
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18:32:47 <DaleStan> But for things like vehicles and cargos, I was hoping for an already defined behaviour. And maybe, but that doesn't fix the problem; bit 4 of var1B still has to work.
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18:35:06 <Belugas> having transparent vehicles... pleasant idea :)
18:36:14 <Belugas> nope, i don't think it would be
18:36:18 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaand why exactly is that useful?^^
18:36:33 <Belugas> did anyone said usefull??
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18:37:37 <Gonozal_VIII> some IsTransparencySet(TO_VEHICLES)s later.. and what's the point now?
18:38:55 <Belugas> mmmh... we do not set the grffeature in the resolverobject
18:39:41 <Belugas> unless it is but i do not see it since it wears another name...
18:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, next unprovoked crash...
18:41:29 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: PBS modified I suppose
18:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> PBS, but not modified ;)
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18:43:07 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: just what strange track layouts are building to get that many crashes? (Note: waypoints and lost trains don't count, problem is known and will be fixed)
18:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> apart from the first one, train reverses at signal, i have no way to reproduce them
18:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause> some rare circumstances release tracks before it is properly freed or something
18:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i first have to resolve this mega deadlock, before i can test further...
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18:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the deadlock is not PBS related
18:46:13 <michi_cc> train reversing has it's problems right now, but I think I have a satisfactory solution
18:47:10 <Yorick> I'll prepare a savegame wherein trains crash
18:47:46 <michi_cc> waypoint, lost train or train reversing? then don't bother
18:48:23 <michi_cc> wait for the next release :)
18:48:48 <Yorick> have you done the newStation reserved state?
18:49:41 <michi_cc> no, I haven't, but i've seen the quick fix of peter1138. I jus thave to find the source line where it's on
18:49:53 <Yorick> there are 2 things needed for it
18:49:56 <michi_cc> probably in newgrf_something
18:50:31 <Yorick> first, reserved paths always have to be redrawn, not only when debug_level >=2
18:51:21 <Yorick> and on newgrf_station.cpp line 397: case 0x44: return GetRailwayStationReservation(tile) ? 7 : 4; // PBS status
18:52:28 <Yorick> and you'll have to mark the whole path dirty when it gets reserved ;)
18:53:32 <Sacro> "Limitation disturbs me very sprites. Goes it throw out limitation?"
18:54:08 <Yorick> problem with that fix is that it will return unreserved state when PBS aren't used there
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18:55:49 <Sacro> Belugas: nope, not him :)
18:56:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i used an old version of the copy & paste patch for my merge thingy... had a hard time updating it above 12040.. and now i found the 12042 version^^
18:58:37 <Gonozal_VIII> should have updated the patches one by one instead of merging them and updating together... i'm doing that now
18:59:46 <Yorick> what does "BarCrossing" and "UnbarCrossing" do?
18:59:59 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: when the last wagon of a train gets stopped right on a (non-PBS) signal tile, it frees the tile before the signal, and the next train reserves up to that signal
19:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause> when the 2nd train reaches that signal
19:00:19 <Eddi|zuHause> it crashes with the last wagon of the waiting train
19:00:59 <Yorick> Gonozal_VIII: does it close the crossing for RV's?
19:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> solution: reserve all tiles that are occupied by a train... (i said that before)
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19:03:25 * Yorick is coding a piece that makes a road crossing close when
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19:04:36 <Gonozal_VIII> could cause too long closed times... but less exploding trucks^^
19:04:50 <Yorick> I'll leave the sound, 1.it can't play long enough 2.it's annoying!
19:06:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i think that could reduce the chances to get it into trunk because it removes an existing "feature" (the sound)
19:06:43 <Yorick> and when the train comes near, it will play the sound
19:06:55 <Yorick> it will just be shut more
19:07:21 <Yorick> and that is nice for the truckdrivers and their explosive cargo
19:07:50 <Sacro> there is a grf that removes the sound
19:08:03 <Yorick> one line to add, michi_cc , road_map.h line 217: SetCrossingBarred(t, b);
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19:08:55 <SmatZ> Yorick: use MaybeBarCrossingWithSound(tile, false)
19:09:18 <Yorick> and what's the advantage
19:09:20 <Madassasin> I've got an idea to solve the level crossing stuff with YAPF
19:09:57 * Yorick pauses Madassasin and redirects output to readable wiki page, unpauses again
19:10:28 <Madassasin> basically I'm thinking that the road part should look a few tiles forward for crossings, and if it finds one, it should talk to the rail part
19:10:28 <Barry> is there a list of all patches there are in the latest nightly
19:10:32 <Yorick> SmatZ: what's the advantage of MaybeBarCrossingWithSound?
19:10:47 <Madassasin> to calculate if the RV has time to cross or not
19:11:14 <Madassasin> Barry: about 3k patches
19:11:15 <Yorick> Madassasin: we're just discussing something with crossings that get closed when they get reserved
19:11:23 <SmatZ> Barry: you can list Changelog
19:12:01 <Barry> Hehehhe Madassasin. Sorry I mean the patches from the forum like authority_disabler_6.diff
19:12:13 <Madassasin> oh, well, good luck then
19:12:47 <Gonozal_VIII> most patches that got into trunk have "in trunk since bla" in the topic name
19:13:25 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: you can't only reserve the path up to the signal, you need to reserve the signal tile as well
19:13:29 <Yorick> SmatZ: MaybeBarCrossingWithSound accepts only 1 parameter
19:14:24 <Yorick> static inline void MaybeBarCrossingWithSound(TileIndex tile) ;)
19:15:05 <Madassasin> void MaybeBarCrossingWithSound(bool scream) { if (true == scream ) { PlaySound(SND_LEVEL_CROSSING); } }
19:15:51 <Madassasin> meh, I'm the more verbose kind
19:16:15 <Madassasin> I personally have a lot to complain about the ottd style :P
19:16:34 <Madassasin> and not the position of the braces, I couldn't care less
19:16:55 <Yorick> michi_cc michi_cc michi_cc *summoning
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19:17:15 <Madassasin> no, no, no, pointers are bad
19:17:23 <Madassasin> michi_cc &summoning :P
19:18:15 <SmatZ> Madassasin: your coding style scares me a lot
19:18:32 <Madassasin> when did you see some of my code?!
19:19:03 <Gonozal_VIII> if (true == scream ) <-- that is indeed scary^^
19:19:06 <SmatZ> [20:15:07] <Madassasin> void MaybeBarCrossingWithSound(bool scream) { if (true == scream ) { PlaySound(SND_LEVEL_CROSSING); } }
19:19:09 <SmatZ> [20:17:26] <Madassasin> michi_cc &summoning :P
19:19:27 <Madassasin> what's wrong with references?
19:19:49 <SmatZ> they are so ... Javish?
19:19:58 <Madassasin> yea? lemme give you an example
19:20:05 <Gonozal_VIII> not only do you compare a bool to a bool to get a bool^^, you also have the value first, then the variable... strange^^
19:20:15 <Belugas> Laughing My Ass Out (??)
19:20:24 <Belugas> Leave Me Alone OK (??)
19:21:12 <Madassasin> int sum(int* a, int* b) {return *a + *b}; **OR** int sum(int& a, int& b) {return a + b);
19:21:21 <Madassasin> tell me which is nicer :)
19:22:02 <SmatZ> using references leads to bugs
19:22:08 <SmatZ> it is much worse readable (for me:)
19:22:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know c++, wtf is & ?
19:22:26 <Madassasin> it's the reference operator
19:22:41 * Prof_Frink ampersands Gonozal_VIII
19:22:49 <Belugas> Madassasin, it's easy. The one who is nicer is the one with the less bug potential, where there is less deduction been made to understand it and , most of all, the one that all the devs agree upon using (and are used to work with)
19:23:48 <SmatZ> Madassasin: swap(a, b) --- most people will know that they are actually pointers to a,b - so a,b can change...
19:23:50 <Gonozal_VIII> what's wrong with int sum(int a, int b) {return a + b} ?
19:24:26 <SmatZ> but for many functions, you have to see and remember which functions use reference to do the job of pointers
19:24:38 <Madassasin> Gonozal_VIII: that's an example, go pass a 1 mb string by value
19:25:38 <SmatZ> with every reference used in OTTD code my head hurts
19:26:12 <SmatZ> like Chance16R(a,b,r) ... who on Earth should know that 'r' can eventually change? ...
19:27:10 <Madassasin> too lazy to use shift
19:27:15 <SmatZ> void incr1(int& x); // increment
19:27:15 <SmatZ> int incr2(int x); // increment
19:27:24 <SmatZ> yeah, who expects 'x' will change?
19:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> <SmatZ> like Chance16R(a,b,r) ... who on Earth should know that 'r' can eventually change? ... <- i believe they were macros before
19:28:43 <Yorick> michi_cc: don't use the setcrossingbarred there, it's not defined yet(can't compile), move the whole reservation down
19:28:51 <Belugas> anyway, it is OUR code style, and that's the one WE are using
19:28:55 <Belugas> so... that's it fo rme
19:29:09 <Belugas> like... take it or leave it
19:29:16 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, and macros are expected to have 'strange' behaviuor
19:29:50 <SmatZ> "References are useful for several things, but the direct reason I introduced them in C++ was to support operator overloading."
19:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: so the function tries to mimic the behaviour of the macro, to ease transition
19:30:01 <SmatZ> yeah... operator overloading
19:30:13 <Barry> Guys where can I found a good en clear tutorial to apply a patch/diff in the latest nightly
19:30:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Barry: search for BuildOTTD
19:30:57 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: it could be Chance16R(a, b, &r) --- it wouldn't change the behaiour, and would be clear that it may change 'r'
19:31:14 <Barry> search on the wiki pages?
19:31:15 <SmatZ> but yes, this way it was just copy+replace
19:31:35 * SmatZ back to work... (study)
19:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: well, provide a patch ;)
19:32:17 <Madassasin> ok, so why exactly do you recommend pointers or references? as I don't see any advantage, except that most of the system APIs are written in C and use pointers so...
19:33:30 <SmatZ> I told my reason - it looks like call by value, but it is call by reference
19:34:33 <Yorick> after mixing some things together
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19:35:16 <Belugas> r e a d a b i l i t y
19:35:26 <Sacro> Barry: i use patch from gnuwin32
19:35:31 <Yorick> yes, only whole function blocks are moved, belugas
19:36:05 <Yorick> actually, only the reservation part was moved to the back of the BarCrossing
19:37:07 <Madassasin> Belugas, SmatZ: is it very hard to look at the function header, or if you have a competent IDE, put the mouse pointer over the variable and see it's type (MSVC, Code::Blocks, wxDev-C++ can do this, haven't tested on other OSs)
19:37:08 <Barry> Thx Sacro I will try BuildOTTD first
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19:38:00 <SmatZ> Madassasin: why do you need to even move the mouse pointer somewhere, when using pointers is readable without it?
19:38:24 <SmatZ> mmm why don't we start another flame war...
19:39:40 <Madassasin> Sacro: so atari is gone?
19:40:19 <Sacro> Madassasin: games yes, inc no
19:42:01 <Madassasin> and which one released TTD?
19:42:40 * Belugas thinks it is not worth talking about code style. It will not be changed just because a stranger comes in and thinks it is silly.
19:42:56 <Sacro> doing things on a whim is what makes it more interesting
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19:44:14 <Madassasin> Belugas: so seniour forum members are strangers to you?
19:44:24 <Belugas> Well... if it was just uop to me, it would be begin/end instead og {}
19:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i support that ;)
19:45:24 <Madassasin> and I'd get rid of begin, invent "then" & "do" and make it lua >.>
19:46:26 <Belugas> under the name Madassasin, you're pretty much a stranger to me, indeed. PLus, the seniority has nothuing to do with the pertinence of an opinion
19:46:53 <Belugas> and further more, WE are the ones using that code daily, for quite a long time thank you
19:47:02 <Madassasin> then you might know me as `Desolator' on the forums
19:47:23 <Belugas> Desolator is known indeed
19:47:56 <SmatZ> Could you change mine to Bill Gates?
19:48:09 <Madassasin> sure, gimme 3 billion dollars
19:48:22 <orudge`> you mean give ME 3 billion dollars, surely?
19:48:35 <Madassasin> no, you give each of us a dollar a second
19:48:59 <orudge`> but I'm the only one who can change forum nicknames
19:48:59 <Belugas> but that does not change the point very much
19:49:05 <orudge`> so, it'd be a bit silly giving anyone else the money
19:49:14 <Madassasin> this is IRC, nor forums
19:49:36 <Sacro> think you might be right
19:50:46 <Madassasin> well, how's the sound system going on, orudge?
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19:51:33 <orudge`> Madassasin: I'm in Brazil, all my code, etc, is in St Andrews
19:51:36 <orudge`> so I haven't done anything with it yet
19:51:41 <orudge`> I shall probably look at it again next week
19:52:19 <Wolf01> you are in brazil and in front of a computer?
19:53:00 <orudge`> Belugas: not quite Rio
19:53:08 <orudge`> a bit further north than that
19:53:10 <hylje> so you don't have your code in a SCM?
19:53:13 <orudge`> we've just got back in from a long dayo ut
19:53:27 <orudge`> hylje: I have no desire to program when I'm in a place like this :p
19:53:31 <Belugas> still a nice place to be, orudge :)
19:55:09 <fjb> Trains don't go to the depot on pbs tracks. Is there a workaround for that bug?
19:55:26 <Madassasin> yeah, lots of useless opinions
19:55:41 <Yorick> fjb: I have seen them do :O
19:56:08 <Madassasin> we've been discussing code politics, you're not interested in that, a beer is better :)
19:56:20 <Belugas> a Madassasin that is really Desolator who requires we do change our code style because he thinks it sucks
19:56:21 <orudge`> I saw an awful lot of beer today
19:56:24 <orudge`> in the wholesale supermarket
19:56:35 <Yorick> how do I do a partial compile using MINGW and MSYS?
19:56:43 <orudge`> huge palettes full of crates of the stuff
19:56:46 <Madassasin> when did I require you?!
19:56:51 <peter1138> Yorick, don't "make clean"
19:57:13 <Yorick> I just do ./configure and make
19:57:18 <itchsn> anyone can help with the .cfg file?
19:57:24 <peter1138> don't configure either
19:57:24 <Yorick> but it compiles everything
19:57:26 <Madassasin> peter1138: last time I checked, it would compile everything again
19:57:31 <peter1138> you only need that the first time
19:57:32 <Madassasin> no matter what I did
19:57:32 <fjb> Yorick: I have seen them do it in the v2 of the patch, not v3.
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20:01:18 <Yorick> I have seen them do in the v3
20:02:18 <Yorick> but they don't work as a PBS, and therefor don't reserve anything, and are vulnerable a crash with any train passing
20:03:26 <fjb> Ok, you did see it. I see the trains passing by a depot a month or years after they should have gone to the depot.
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20:04:13 <itchsn> can someone help me with the gameopt settings in the config file pls? :)
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20:04:32 <fjb> They reserve the path straight to the next stop, but never into the depot.
20:04:51 <itchsn> i try to get it the pocketpc version running
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20:08:40 <Yorick> yay-this will be a big day for the truckdrivers, they can finally do their job without getting crushed!
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20:15:31 <SmatZ> orudge` your nick is so big!
20:15:48 <orudge`> that's not the only thing ;)
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20:17:20 <SmatZ> Yorick: there is only one Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, but it is not you :-P
20:17:41 <Prof_Frink> How Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
20:18:00 <Chrill> oRuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge?
20:20:54 <Prof_Frink> No, the correct response is "YARDGLY."
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20:22:44 * Yorick will cya again...He hopes
20:27:53 * peter1138 wonders if anyone has some screenshots of TTDPatch's routing restriction gui...
20:28:30 <peter1138> Hmm, found one on a bug report :o
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20:34:08 <Brianetta> We have a mortage, in principle
20:34:16 <Brianetta> Confirmation will be tomorrow or the day after
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20:45:38 <peter1138> Brianetta, "congratulations" ;)#
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22:37:09 <orudge`> you'd think someone would have mended it by now
22:37:41 <ln-> breaking a wall is an act of vandalism, clearly.
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22:48:05 <DirtYiCE> Rubidium: why can't i use multiple constructor in squirrel?
22:52:16 <Rubidium> 1) I have no idea, 2) I did not write the C++ -> Squirrel interface, 3) I haven't written anything in Squirrel, 4) I have not time to take a proper look at it till at least late March.
22:52:51 <DirtYiCE> who wrote the interface? TrueLight?
22:53:22 <DirtYiCE> but he is retired afaik..
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22:54:00 <DirtYiCE> how could i contact him?
22:59:54 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r12073 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: stop drawing trees a bit earlier when they are invisible
23:08:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r12074 /trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp: -Cleanup: use C++ variable scope and declaration in DrawTile_Trees()
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23:08:32 <Barry> When I have trouble with compling patches where can I get some help?
23:08:39 <Sacro> Barry: try the internet
23:09:01 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12075 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h): -Codechange: Remove explicit numbering on command enum, and remove blanks from command list where old commands have been removed.
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23:19:00 <fjb> Barry: At least you found the internet. What trouble do you have?
23:23:38 <Barry> I work with BuildOTTD and I get a failure when I compile some patches. i wish to integrate some patches in the latest nightly for own use
23:26:55 <fjb> The patches are for an older nightly build I guess. You have to look at the error messages and then alter the patch according.
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23:44:06 <fjb> Hm, my trains seam to overlook the depots with YAPP v3.
23:45:24 <fjb> And putting the depot into the orders to go there only for service they always go into the depot.
23:46:11 <fjb> Occasionally a trains finds a depot for service every few years.
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