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00:02:41  <fjb> false

00:03:00  <Gonozal_VIII> false?

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00:07:42  <fjb> The result of the statement.

00:08:09  <Gonozal_VIII> how many = do you count there?

00:08:21  <fjb> One.

00:10:30  <Eddi|zuHause3> of course, the value of a=b is b

00:10:53  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm

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00:12:09  <Eddi|zuHause3> if (x=malloc(...)) { do_something;}

00:12:51  <fjb> Which language are you talking about? = is comparison in most languages.

00:13:19  <Gonozal_VIII> ?

00:13:27  <Eddi|zuHause3> whatever you think "most" is

00:13:30  <Gonozal_VIII> in what languages?

00:14:08  <Eddi|zuHause3> = is comparison in pascal style languages, assignment in c style languages

00:14:21  <Eddi|zuHause3> i have definitely seen more of the second kind

00:16:19  <fjb> Anyway, without declaring the language first every asumption is allowed.

00:17:07  <Gonozal_VIII> well... this is the openttd channel... openttd is in c++ and in c++ comparison is ==

00:17:08  <Eddi|zuHause3> of course, and i did my own assumption ;)

00:17:17  <Gonozal_VIII> ;-)

00:19:09  <Eddi|zuHause3> but still, languages where = is comparison i only know pascal (and derivates), clipper, sather, and i'm not sure about basic

00:19:52  <glx> basic use = for comparison and assigning

00:20:08  <Gonozal_VIII> how does that work?

00:20:19  <Eddi|zuHause3> assignment in C/C++, Java, C#, Python, and a whole lot of others

00:20:31  <Gonozal_VIII> javascript :-)

00:20:42  <Eddi|zuHause3> Gonozal_VIII: depending on context?

00:21:10  <fjb> And it can't be C++ ac C++ doen't have a type bool.

00:21:29  <glx> c++ has bool

00:21:41  <Eddi|zuHause3> C doesn't have bool

00:21:44  <Gonozal_VIII> i've seen bool in the code somewhere

00:21:46  <Eddi|zuHause3> C++ does

00:21:48  <glx> true and false are c++ keywords

00:21:50  <ln-> i think even C(99) has bool.

00:22:10  <murray> even your mom has bool

00:22:29  <fjb> Hm, when true and false are reserved words, then the above statement can't be C++ either.

00:22:33  <Eddi|zuHause3> Gonozal_VIII: openttd defined bool long before it was ported to c++

00:22:47  <ln-> hmm, C99 has _Bool

00:22:51  <glx> yes because C

00:22:53  <Gonozal_VIII> it can be c++ but it won't work

00:23:02  <Gonozal_VIII> i never said it would work^^

00:25:01  <Eddi|zuHause3> it can't be any language if it doesn't work in that language

00:25:18  <Eddi|zuHause3> languages define that only those programs are in the language that work

00:25:44  <fjb> Since when does C++ have bool?

00:26:08  <Eddi|zuHause3> but it could be a brainfuck program ;)

00:26:10  <Gonozal_VIII> it was a joke, jokes don't work if their content works normally :P

00:26:23  <Eddi|zuHause3> in which case, it would be all comment ;)

00:27:09  <fjb> ISO C++ definitely didn't have bool in 1992.

00:27:12  <Eddi|zuHause3> there ARE jokes that work normally

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00:27:20  <ln-> fjb: there definitely was no ISO C++ in 1992.

00:27:29  <Eddi|zuHause3> like "SIX*NINE"

00:27:38  <glx> 42

00:28:07  <Eddi|zuHause3> q.e.d.

00:29:00  <glx> 1+5*8+1

00:29:02  <fjb> Ok, I'm having only the draft here.

00:29:37  <fjb> At least the draft for ISO C++ didn't have bool.

00:32:28  <ln-> "2.13.5 Boolean literals

00:32:52  <ln-> The Boolean literals are the keywords false and true. Such literals have type bool. They are not lvalues."

00:33:00  <Belugas> [19:26] <+glx> c++ has bool  <--- C++ a les boules  :D

00:33:02  <Belugas> lol

00:33:08  <glx> lol

00:33:33  <Eddi|zuHause3> "Wir brauchen Eier"

00:33:58  <fjb> I saw easter eggs in a shop today.

00:34:44  <Gonozal_VIII> should i understand that eddi?

00:37:10  <Eddi|zuHause3> Gonozal_VIII: no

00:38:30  <Eddi|zuHause3> it's a quote from oliver kahn

00:39:54  <Eddi|zuHause3> also, it's vaguely related to Belugas' sentence ;)

00:40:57  <Gonozal_VIII> but that was in some strange nobody-knows-it language

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00:43:41  <Eddi|zuHause3> well, there are at least 3 people who got it ;)

00:46:18  <ln-> http://www.mexibug.co.uk/pic5.jpg

00:47:53  <Gonozal_VIII> well, why not? old beetles are nice... but the new ones suck

00:47:53  <Eddi|zuHause3> very interesting ;)

00:47:59  <Eddi|zuHause3> make it into a grf ;)

00:48:03  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe

00:48:20  <Gonozal_VIII> 4 tourists?

00:49:44  <Eddi|zuHause3> haven't you watched Wetten Dass..!?

00:49:57  <Eddi|zuHause3> they put like 20 people in such a car

00:49:58  <Gonozal_VIII> nope

00:50:01  <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe

00:50:32  <Gonozal_VIII> 4 tourists are 16 passengers :-)

00:55:02  <ln-> how to fit five elephants to a vw beetle?

00:55:33  <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i only know 4

00:55:45  <ln-> could have been 4, not sure

00:56:04  <Eddi|zuHause3> and usually dinosaurs

00:56:18  <ln-> elephants over here

00:56:27  <Eddi|zuHause3> typical answer is "two on the front seats, two on the back seats"

00:56:41  <ln-> correct

00:56:53  <Korenn> the dutch version uses a play on words ;)

00:57:29  <Eddi|zuHause3> Korenn: care to elaborate?

00:58:12  <Korenn> in dutch elephant is 'oliefant'. 'olie' is dutch for oil. so the response is: 'let the oil run out and fold up the "fant"'

00:58:28  <Korenn> 'olifant'*, typo

01:00:04  <Korenn> it's lame, I know :P

01:00:17  <Eddi|zuHause3> is there some specific meaning to "fant"?

01:00:41  <Eddi|zuHause3> we have that kind of word plays in german, too, but i can't remember one right now

01:01:17  <Korenn> no, 'fant' would imply whatever's left of the elephant after draining the oil ;)

01:01:52  <ln-> what are oliphants of Middle Earth called in dutch?

01:02:16  <Korenn> just the normal word for elephant ;)

01:02:28  <Korenn> so, olifant

01:02:45  <ln-> but.. but.. the point is lost in translation then.

01:03:03  <Eddi|zuHause3> well, it's close enough, i guess ;)

01:03:10  <Korenn> what point? that they use a dutch word to make something sound foreign? they do that all the time :P

01:03:52  <Korenn> americans tend to do that, although they mix up german and dutch to whatever sounds more foreign ;)

01:03:53  <ln-> now, now, professor Tolkien wouldn't have made such a cheap trick. must be a coincidence.

01:04:12  <Korenn> (not saying tolkien was american, I know he wasn't)

01:04:40  <Korenn> why? he chose finnish as the base of his elvish language because it looked pretty

01:05:24  <Eddi|zuHause3> the dwarven writings are based on germanic runes

01:05:29  <Korenn> yup

01:05:54  <Eddi|zuHause3> and the whole elf/dwarf culture is based on nordic tales

01:05:56  <Korenn> even the mordor language was based on a european language, but I don't recall which one

01:06:12  <ln-> Korenn: finnish is not cheap

01:06:18  <Korenn> cheap?

01:06:19  <Eddi|zuHause3> well, he was a professor for languages ;)

01:06:36  <Eddi|zuHause3> the rohirrim speak old english

01:07:05  <Korenn> they're references to european languages. so I don't think 'olifants' is a coincidence at all

01:07:31  <Korenn> he probably just looked at all the european words for elephant and picked one that looked foreign enough

01:07:32  <Eddi|zuHause3> although i recall it being written "olifaunt" somewhere

01:07:45  <Eddi|zuHause3> or with ph?

01:08:37  <Korenn> ugh, late. I'm off to bed. see ya :)

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01:12:41  <ln-> btw, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Trabant_Polizeiversion.jpg

01:13:00  <ln-> why is the "color of the police" green in germany?

01:13:21  <ln-> while in many other countries blue is somehow involved.

01:15:30  <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.auto-motor.at/Auto/Autos-Neuwagen/Automarken-Automodelle-Neuigkeiten/Porsche-News/Polizei-Porsche-911/Polizei-Porsche-911-vorne_high.jpg silver with blue and red here

01:16:00  <fjb> Germany is changing to blue this years.

01:17:08  <Gonozal_VIII> they changed from white base colour to silver because they can resell silver cars better

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01:18:03  <Eddi|zuHause3> i have seen new cars with blue on them, i guess it's some kind of EU standardisation

01:18:49  <Gonozal_VIII> but i've seen some different colour police cars too somewhere

01:19:06  <Gonozal_VIII> something like red and yellow i think

01:19:09  <Eddi|zuHause3> green is usually associated with hunters, the police forces might have evolved from those

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01:19:16  <Eddi|zuHause3> at least i know the military police has

01:19:41  <fjb> Till the 70s every Land of the Federal Republic of Germany had it's own colors.

01:19:56  <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: "wrong" germany ;)

01:20:27  <ln-> actually hmm, i might have seen some blueish polizei cars in bremen.

01:20:45  <fjb> The police uniforms in that picture are Western Germany uniforms.

01:20:56  <ln-> i know

01:21:04  <Eddi|zuHause3> the military police evolved from a group of hunters with horses, who were originally hired because they knew the forests and could find paths and places for camps

01:21:08  <fjb> Swiss policecars are red stripe on white ground.

01:21:10  <Gonozal_VIII> good thing that the word police is simmilar on many languages

01:21:20  <Gonozal_VIII> in..

01:22:02  <fjb> Actual blue uniforms are looking more like black than blue.

01:22:35  <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: of course, the picture is newer than the "old" germany ;)

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01:24:32  <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: And it is even a policar of the Western German police. :-P

01:24:41  <fjb> police car

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01:26:24  <Eddi|zuHause3> what's HB? Bremen?

01:26:32  <fjb> Yes

01:27:12  <fjb> They must have aquired it after the reunion.

01:27:23  <ln-> HansastadtBremen?

01:27:37  <Gonozal_VIII> hanse

01:27:51  <ln-> k

01:28:15  <Eddi|zuHause3> most north german cities have that in their name ;)

01:28:37  <ln-> most likely a Trabant is not a Faraday cage and not safe during a thunderstorm?

01:28:38  <glx> come from an old group IIRC

01:28:53  <Gonozal_VIII> So gab es insgesamt rund 200 Orte, die zu irgendeinem Zeitpunkt direkt oder indirekt der Stdtehanse angehrten.

01:29:02  <fjb> It is not even safe in any kind of accident.

01:29:03  <Eddi|zuHause3> Hanse was a trade federation around the baltic sea

01:29:46  <Gonozal_VIII> Lbeck, Hamburg, Bremen, Braunschweig, Danzig, Hildesheim, Kln, Osnabrck und Rostock.

01:29:55  <Gonozal_VIII> :-)

01:30:22  <ln-> Reval

01:30:39  <glx> hmm how do they "encode" all these towns starting with a H

01:31:07  <Eddi|zuHause3> glx: they use that to resolve naming conflicts

01:31:09  <Gonozal_VIII> HH is hamburg, i don't know about hildesheim

01:31:22  <Eddi|zuHause3> H is Hannover, while HH is hamburg

01:31:27  <fjb> HI is Hildesheim. H is Hannover.

01:31:44  <Eddi|zuHause3> HB is Bremen while B is Berlin

01:32:12  <Eddi|zuHause3> besides, there are plenty of letters ;)

01:32:30  <Gonozal_VIII> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/5/57/Umgestuelpterzuckhut.jpg <-- strange building style^^

01:32:35  <Eddi|zuHause3> some cities have 3 letters

01:32:43  <ln-> And where's the logic -- Bremen and Hamburg happen to be bundeslnder, but Hannover doesn't happen to be.  So if you live somewhere between Hannover and Kassel, what's your plate?

01:32:46  <Eddi|zuHause3> HRO for Hansestadt Rostock

01:33:15  <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: the letters are not for "bundesländer" but for "landkreise"

01:33:15  <fjb> ln-: The letter denotes the Landkreis.

01:33:37  <fjb> GS is Goslar.

01:33:41  <Eddi|zuHause3> or cities without Landkreis

01:33:42  <ln-> aha, must be some concept i'm not too familiar with. i've heard that word before, though.

01:33:54  <fjb> Goslar is in Niedersachsen, like Hildesheim and Hannover are.

01:33:55  <Gonozal_VIII> gm is gmunden :-)

01:34:10  <Eddi|zuHause3> well, it's the next larger administrative unit than town/village ;)

01:34:22  <Gonozal_VIII> districts

01:34:44  <Eddi|zuHause3> well, technically there is Gemeinde (community) inbetween

01:35:19  <ln-> that EU plate on a Trabant is so... ... ...

01:35:21  <Gonozal_VIII> we don't have the term landkreis here

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01:35:53  <Eddi|zuHause2> Dorf/Gemeinde/Stadt - Kreis/Kreisfreie Stadt - Land - Bund

01:37:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> "Kreis" would literally mean "circle", but "district" is probably a more fitting translation

01:37:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> but like all those translations, not directly comparable

01:37:55  <Gonozal_VIII> cities/towns - districts - states - country

01:40:14  <Gonozal_VIII> and the number plates start with the district... or some other things like bp for police

01:41:05  <Gonozal_VIII>     * BB sterreichische Bundesbahnen

01:41:05  <Gonozal_VIII>     * BG Bundesgendamerie

01:41:05  <Gonozal_VIII>     * BH Bundesheer

01:41:05  <Gonozal_VIII>     * BP Bundespolizei

01:41:05  <Gonozal_VIII>     * PT Post- und Telegrafenverwaltung

01:41:06  <Gonozal_VIII>     * ZW Zollwache

01:41:06  <Gonozal_VIII>     * JW Justizwache (seit 1977)

01:41:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> "Bundespolizei" is something different

01:41:36  <Gonozal_VIII> ?

01:41:41  <Gonozal_VIII> that's police

01:41:53  <Gonozal_VIII> gendarmerie too, they merged those...

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01:43:49  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, around here there is a difference between regular police and "federal police" (formerly "Bundesgrenzschutz")

01:44:10  <Gonozal_VIII> that's military

01:45:02  <Gonozal_VIII> but they want to remove them from the borders...

01:45:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, m

01:45:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> military is entirely independent

01:45:25  <ln-> http://www.kerrolisaa.com/kuvat/poliisi_jaguar.jpg

01:45:28  <fjb> Play OpenTTD, it gets you educated. :-)

01:45:49  <Gonozal_VIII> wtf jaguar

01:46:08  <Gonozal_VIII> jaguar is not very practical for a police car

01:46:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> ah, right, that was this play on words that i could not remember

01:46:51  <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: why not?

01:47:14  <Gonozal_VIII> too expensive and not even that fast

01:47:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> "you are on a safari, in front of you there is a lion, behind you a jaguar, you have only one bullet in your shotgun, what do you do?"

01:47:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> answer: "shoot the lion, and drive home with the jaguar"

01:47:58  <Gonozal_VIII> eat the lion and drive home with the jaguar

01:48:13  <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: that one (the only one) was donated. and it is limited to 250 km/h.

01:48:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: that's too unfunny ;)

01:48:35  <Gonozal_VIII> see, 250km/h is not that fast

01:48:49  <ln-> it is.

01:48:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> most cars are artificially limited to that speed

01:49:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> most cars that could reach that speed ;)

01:49:16  <Gonozal_VIII> i've been in an audi going 260 :-)

01:49:45  <Eddi|zuHause2> good luck getting that one through your insurance ;)

01:49:48  <ln-> there aren't that many roads in finland where driving >250 km/h wouldn't be insane even for cops.

01:49:56  <Gonozal_VIII> was in germany...

01:50:17  <Gonozal_VIII> everything was free on the left lane there

01:50:27  <Eddi|zuHause2> there are not many places elsewhere where you can legally go at that high speeds ;)

01:50:58  <Gonozal_VIII> that car had a digital gas consumption display... went up above 30l per 100km

01:51:07  <ln-> i've been on a Mercedes going at about 160 km/h and seeing a Lada Samara pass at >200 km/h.

01:51:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> 160 is no real speed ;)

01:51:38  <Gonozal_VIII> well.. i didn't go faster than 130 with my mercedes so far

01:52:01  <Gonozal_VIII> but then i also never drove it on a road where more than 100 is allowed...

01:52:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> 130? i can almost never limit myself to that speed (if it's allowed to drive more)

01:53:12  <Gonozal_VIII> it wasn't a highway

01:53:18  <fjb> My VW Polo reaches about 180.

01:53:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> half of the route from here to "work" is free

01:53:32  <fjb> And it is an old model from 1994.

01:53:37  <Gonozal_VIII> no highways around here and for larger distances i use the train

01:54:09  <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know how much i could reach

01:54:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's only like 30 km

01:54:29  <ln-> Tron has a VW too, but what model was it?

01:54:32  <Eddi|zuHause2> i need 35 minutes

01:54:33  <Gonozal_VIII> my old civic started having a hard time at 130

01:56:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> good night

01:56:11  <Gonozal_VIII> night

01:57:04  <ln-> that's the first time i've seen eddi announce going to sleep

01:57:06  <glx> I can reach 140 with my visa

01:57:19  <glx> flat twin powered

01:58:25  <Gonozal_VIII> what's a visa?

01:58:47  <glx> a citroen car

01:59:45  <Gonozal_VIII> very small...

01:59:48  <glx> http://www.citroenvisa.net/garage/vjanbert.jpg

01:59:50  <ln-> does this mean all of you have cars of your own?

02:00:01  <glx> well my father owns it ;)

02:00:25  <Gonozal_VIII> i have a car... but i don't pay for it^^

02:00:40  <Gonozal_VIII> and i don't use it often for myself either...

02:00:49  <Gonozal_VIII> i mostly drive my family around with it

02:00:55  <glx> I paid the latest maintenance

02:01:03  <glx> 465€

02:01:24  <Gonozal_VIII> purchase cost was 1000

02:01:56  <Gonozal_VIII> a lot less than the insurance/engine tax i paid for it since i have it

02:02:13  <Gonozal_VIII> not to speak of gas...

02:02:38  <Gonozal_VIII> but as i wrote... i don't really pay that myself

02:02:43  <glx> how much is it for you?

02:02:55  <Gonozal_VIII> what, gas?

02:03:04  <glx> it's around 1,40€/l here

02:03:10  <Gonozal_VIII> cheaper

02:03:12  <Gonozal_VIII> but not much

02:03:45  <ln-> fuel is still too cheap.

02:04:05  <glx> 90% of the price is taxes

02:04:16  <glx> and we pay VAT on that

02:04:36  <Gonozal_VIII> according to a site i found on google the cheapest super gas is 1,18 today...

02:04:42  <Gonozal_VIII> in austria

02:04:57  <Gonozal_VIII> but i don't know where that would be

02:05:16  <Gonozal_VIII> here it's about 1,25-1,3 i guess

02:05:40  <ln-> some people in eastern finland fuel their cars in russia.

02:06:28  <glx> I won't do that even if I could (unless the car is very old)

02:06:52  <Gonozal_VIII> all types from diesel to super plus have almost the same cost now... used to be different

02:06:54  <glx> modern engine are sensitive with gas quality

02:07:35  <glx> yeah same here (the difference is around 0,10€)

02:07:36  <ln-> the average age of finnish cars is high

02:07:52  <Gonozal_VIII> btw normal is 91, super 95 and super plus 98 octane here... (iirc)

02:08:04  <glx> only 95 and 98 here

02:08:29  <glx> old cars need 98 (because they used leaded 97 before)

02:08:50  <Gonozal_VIII> that 91 stuff is more for old cars, lawn mowers, chainsaws and things like that...

02:09:22  <ln-> now i'll try to sleep for a while.. if i fail, i'll blame this channel.

02:09:31  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe

02:09:33  <Gonozal_VIII> night then

02:09:43  <glx> I can kickban you to help ;)

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02:26:56  <fjb> Hm, the serbian rail set is strange.

02:27:06  <Gonozal_VIII> why?

02:27:42  <fjb> The running costs of a diesel locomotion are higher than the running costs of the steam engines.

02:28:13  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm

02:28:14  <fjb> And I can only build two axle wagons for passengers.

02:28:38  <Gonozal_VIII> there are a lot of passenger wagons

02:29:02  <fjb> Only for narrow gauge.

02:29:42  <Gonozal_VIII> 9 passenger cars for standard gauge

02:29:57  <Gonozal_VIII> and 9 engines that can carry passengers

02:30:17  <fjb> On normal gauge you have two passenger wagons. Two axle for passengers, four axle for tourists and only usable with two of the steam engines, not with the new diesel engine (serbian version of V200).

02:31:10  <fjb> Maybe in later years. I'm in 1957 now.

02:31:12  <Gonozal_VIII> something went wrong with your grf then

02:31:17  <Gonozal_VIII> ah 57

02:32:05  <fjb> But two axle passenger wagon look silly behing a V200.

02:32:39  <Gonozal_VIII> what's a v200?

02:33:55  <Gonozal_VIII> can't see a engine that's called v200 here

02:34:11  <fjb> BR 220. Kraus Maffaj 761 in the serbian set.

02:34:32  <fjb> V200 is the german name.

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02:35:28  <Gonozal_VIII> there is that fiat 813 thingy engine in the same year (triebwagen)

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02:37:04  <fjb> No, I can't buy that yet.

02:37:37  <Gonozal_VIII> that has powered wagons therefore lots of hp :-)

02:38:38  <fjb> I'm having a DMU like that for narrow gauge since years.

02:40:01  <Gonozal_VIII> ganz something?

02:40:03  <fjb> Now I can buy that Fiat. But the V200 is faster.

02:40:07  <Gonozal_VIII> only 70 km/h...

02:40:37  <fjb> Yes, but it is quiet old by now.

02:41:16  <fjb> Maximum speed for passenger trains on standard gauge is 101 km/h.

02:41:39  <Gonozal_VIII> yes but will be 201

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02:43:00  <fjb> The locomotions are much faster, but there is no passenger car that is fast enough.

02:43:33  <Gonozal_VIII> fiat 101 passenger car 101 ;-)

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02:45:49  <fjb> But 140 km/h of the diesel locomotion is much faster.

02:46:52  <Gonozal_VIII> only for freight ;-)

02:47:35  <Gonozal_VIII> you'll have a 120 km/h passenger car in '62

02:47:45  <fjb> Yes...

02:48:22  <fjb> Freight can go 140km/h already.

02:49:06  <Gonozal_VIII> nice new passenger engine in 66

02:49:30  <Gonozal_VIII> 160km/h passenger car in 72

02:49:55  <fjb> fast freight, slow passengers...

02:50:57  <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that's kind of strange

02:51:17  <Gonozal_VIII> but i guess they have their information from somewhere...

02:52:47  <fjb> You should not travel too fast and too far in a comunist state. :-)

02:52:59  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe

02:55:00  <Gonozal_VIII> strange speeds with 101 and 201 anyways

02:55:29  <Gonozal_VIII> maybe i'll change that to 100 and 200 just because

02:56:22  <Gonozal_VIII> could be the gamecode adding stuff

02:56:49  <Gonozal_VIII> transrapid has 500 in the grf but ingame it's 502, had to change it to 498 to get 500

02:57:50  <fjb> Yes, there are rounding errors.

02:58:16  <Gonozal_VIII> what's there to round? there's a value defined in the grf, just need to read that^^

02:59:51  <Gonozal_VIII> i thought it could be the minimum speed that you get uphills with too heavy wagons that gets added... but that would be more like 3-4 than 1-2

03:00:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: the internal value is in km/h, but for display it is converted to mph and then back to km/h

03:00:34  <Gonozal_VIII> ah i see

03:00:38  <Gonozal_VIII> that sucks^^

03:01:02  <Eddi|zuHause2> someone tried to change that in the past, but he broke under the weight of the complaints of the traditionalists

03:01:40  <Gonozal_VIII> traditionalists? it could still be converted to mph

03:01:49  <Gonozal_VIII> better to convert once than twice...

03:02:12  <fjb> The value in the grf is in mph.

03:02:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but apparently some people did not like the changed numbers

03:02:19  <Gonozal_VIII> no

03:02:36  <Gonozal_VIII> grf is in km/h

03:03:26  <fjb> Neither: Train speed is in units of mph*1.6, i.e. approximately km/h.

03:03:52  <Gonozal_VIII> ah that's where the difference comes from

03:04:19  <Gonozal_VIII> strange that it affects 100 but not 120, 140, 160

03:05:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> @calc 120/1.6

03:05:11  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: 75

03:05:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> @calc 100/1.6

03:05:16  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: 62.5

03:05:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> see?

03:05:45  <Gonozal_VIII> oh... there is 101 in the grf

03:06:36  <Gonozal_VIII> Train speed is in units of mph*1.6, i.e. approximately km/h. <-- who wrote that?

03:06:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> but it really annoys me that the DBSet speeds are always like 59, 99 or 149 km/h

03:07:01  <Gonozal_VIII> it's in km/h, hex values of km/h

03:07:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> it was so round numbers with the changed display

03:07:07  <Gonozal_VIII>      0x0065 (101)

03:07:49  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, there is some kind of coincidence with the base being 16 ;)

03:08:08  <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Trains#Speed_09_

03:08:10  <Gonozal_VIII> hex is not just * 1,6

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03:08:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, but the second nibble is *16

03:09:07  <Gonozal_VIII> that page is wrong

03:09:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> the first nibble can be read decimal (as long as the number fits)

03:09:42  <Gonozal_VIII>      0x0078 (120)

03:09:54  <Gonozal_VIII>      0x0065 (101)

03:10:04  <Gonozal_VIII> 0x008C (140)

03:10:08  <Eddi|zuHause2> what exactly is your problem now?

03:10:09  <Gonozal_VIII> speed values in the grf

03:10:17  <Gonozal_VIII> that's km/h

03:10:24  <Gonozal_VIII> not some strange mph stuff

03:10:31  <Gonozal_VIII> in those property 9s

03:11:39  <Gonozal_VIII> they are all displayed ingame as intended except the 200 that gets changed to 201

03:12:14  <Gonozal_VIII> and 500 gets 502 so about a half percent off

03:12:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> i still fail to see the "wrong" part

03:12:41  <Gonozal_VIII> that's not mph * 1,6

03:13:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> 1 mph = 1.609344 kph

03:13:10  <Gonozal_VIII> hmmmm

03:13:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> there is your "half percent"

03:13:25  <Gonozal_VIII> ok, i thought it was more like 1,65

03:13:39  <Gonozal_VIII> sorry then

03:14:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> and exactly this "half percent" was enough for the traditionalists to complain

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03:15:05  <fjb> One of my tourists towers had a bit of bad luck with it's placement: http://www.myimg.de/?img=RST26Okt195992568.png

03:15:35  <Gonozal_VIII> i would throw out all imperial units anyways...

03:16:16  <Gonozal_VIII> what's that road tunnel?

03:16:27  <fjb> A raod tunnel.

03:16:33  <Gonozal_VIII> :P

03:16:33  <fjb> road

03:16:41  <Gonozal_VIII> where's the sprite from

03:16:47  <fjb> TTRS

03:16:56  <Gonozal_VIII> ah

03:17:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> the train set doesn't look very good...

03:18:07  <fjb> The vehicles are a bit too small.

03:18:35  <Gonozal_VIII> those are the smallest wagons, they get bigger

03:19:40  <fjb> I think they are smaller than the rails under them.

03:20:25  <Gonozal_VIII> no... it's ok to see the rail from that angle

03:22:25  <Gonozal_VIII> btw i've seen an ice with BB printed on it today...

03:22:32  <Gonozal_VIII> i didn't know we had those

03:23:14  <Gonozal_VIII> not today of course... yesterday

03:23:54  <Gonozal_VIII> and also one of those br 101s

03:25:49  <fjb> Oh, if we couldn't get you as part of germany, you should at least get our rail stuff.

03:26:08  <Gonozal_VIII> :P

03:28:10  <Gonozal_VIII> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Lokomotiven_und_Triebwagen_der_%C3%96BB

03:28:13  <Gonozal_VIII> nice page

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03:30:21  <fjb> Yes. I know it.

03:30:40  <Gonozal_VIII> # BB 4011 gebrauchte ICE T der DB

03:30:47  <fjb> :-P

03:31:15  <fjb> We sell that crap to everybody.

03:31:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, when the "T" breaks, there is no point in keeping them :p

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03:31:54  <Gonozal_VIII> don't know why we would buy them...

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03:32:30  <Gonozal_VIII> i guess the problem are the wagons

03:32:38  <Gonozal_VIII> wagon speed limit^^

03:33:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> long distance wagons are typically allowed for 200 here

03:33:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> newer local wagons for 160, older wagons for 140

03:37:08  <Gonozal_VIII> we still have some of those old wagons with manual doors where you can open the doors anytime while the train is moving

03:38:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> they are not allowed anymore, here

03:38:29  <Gonozal_VIII> you know those? where you have to turn a lever and then push the doors out... and you have to close them again, they don't close automatically

03:38:31  <Eddi|zuHause2> even during DR times they changed those

03:39:19  <Gonozal_VIII> and the conductor gets mad if he sees that you let the doors open and he has to walk there and close them...

03:39:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, i know those, we once caught a train pretty late...

03:40:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> meaning it was already driving, and we hopped on

03:40:12  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe

03:40:38  <Gonozal_VIII> got cought?

03:40:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm not sure, i was rather young

03:41:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> my father later told me that they introduced the automatic doors because of that incident, but i'm not really buying that ;)

03:41:50  <Gonozal_VIII> in my school time there were only those... now they are rare but still in use

03:42:34  <Gonozal_VIII> but on the mainlines they are already two wagon generations further

03:43:34  <Gonozal_VIII> those with the flat metal lever that triggers pneumatic door opening and the new ones with a green button that lights up if the door is unlocked

03:44:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> i've not used a train in a few years now...

03:44:29  <Gonozal_VIII> you should!

03:44:34  <Gonozal_VIII> trains rock :-)

03:45:13  <Gonozal_VIII> the new wagons even have power outlets inside which is cool, i can plug my laptop in there and play openttd :-)

03:48:01  <Gonozal_VIII> there's a guy on n-tv that plannes buildings and even cities based on feng shui...

03:55:24  <Gonozal_VIII> a bridge that splits in two diagonal bridges!!

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04:09:43  * fjb would love diagonla bridges.

04:13:12  <Belugas> code them then ;)

04:13:26  <Belugas> we are all watching you :D

04:13:38  <Belugas> let's go man, let's go!!

04:14:30  <Gonozal_VIII> bah... tired... night

04:14:38  <Belugas> me 2

04:14:43  <Belugas> plonk

04:14:59  <Gonozal_VIII> i've slept for the last 15 minue

04:15:02  <Gonozal_VIII> s

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04:17:27  <To0olz> i need uk mail lists and usa mail lists

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04:23:35  <fjb> Good night.

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14:03:22  <Sacro> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36042 <- does this dude need to post source? /me cnnot open deb files

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14:05:43  <Belugas> i guess he indeed do need to make it so sources are available...

14:06:03  <Belugas> whatever that actually means

14:06:12  <Belugas> i need coffee

14:06:13  <Belugas> badly

14:06:23  * keyweed has coffee \o/

14:07:17  * Hendikins had a fun shift at work. Murphy's Law++

14:07:49  <Gekz> lol

14:07:53  <Hendikins> Severe electrical storm. Power failure, track equipment failure, signalling system failure, level crossing failure.

14:07:55  <keyweed> i'm having fun at work. finnished a project, final specs came an hour our after i finnished.

14:08:11  <peter1138> if you're going to ask for it

14:08:14  <Hendikins> TLS was playing up as well

14:08:19  <keyweed> the specs confirm to what i made, so i'm happy.

14:08:41  <peter1138> mm

14:08:48  <keyweed> nice sentence. *whacks self*

14:09:17  <Gekz> lol

14:09:20  <Hendikins> Quite honestly, I'm amazed the delays were only 90 minutes

14:09:23  <Gekz> conform

14:09:29  <Hendikins> Well, up to 90 minutes

14:10:45  <Hendikins> "You really want to know how late the next City via Granville train is?" *looks at TLS* "The next one is 43 minutes late, the one behind it is 78 minutes late. So far."

14:11:00  <hylje> nice

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14:11:05  <hylje> keyweed: I WILL FINNISH YOU

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14:11:49  <Hendikins> At least my passengers took it reasonably well. They understand that the weather is beyond my control.

14:12:10  <Hendikins> And the DM/sales clerk reckon I did a great job (because virtually nobody asked them anything)

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14:16:53  <SmatZ> hello

14:17:01  <hylje> hi

14:17:27  <Hendikins> (Yes, I know ranting about work is off-topic, but at least I work in transport)

14:17:52  <SmatZ> !logs

14:17:52  <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )

14:20:25  <SmatZ> Sacro: he has to release sources together with binary - but if you cannot open the archive with binary, you are not receiving binary and so, you have no right to see the sources (in my opinion)

14:22:08  <Gekz> Sacro: ar x *.deb

14:22:11  <Gekz> tada!

14:23:24  <keyweed> hylje: perkele. virtualihamsteri

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14:31:17  <SmatZ> not to mention, he doesn't distribute COPYING with that package

14:31:23  <SmatZ> or am I missing something?

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14:34:18  <peter1138> "<SmatZ> Sacro: he has to release sources together with binary"

14:34:22  <peter1138> no he doesn't

14:34:28  <SmatZ> no?

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14:34:38  <peter1138> he just has to provide it on request

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14:36:41  <SmatZ> well, yes

14:38:34  <SmatZ> if you are using binary, you have the right to see the sources

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15:18:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12027 /trunk/docs/ (landscape.html landscape_grid.html): -Documentation: Update 'landscape.html' and 'landscape_grid.html' to reflect reality and add some details.

15:18:34  <ln-> http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/210/imag0016bwr2.jpg

15:19:37  <peter1138> jammed :o

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15:35:41  <Sacro> ln-: GMPTE - Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Authority

15:36:52  <yorick> Frostregen on?

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15:37:39  <yorick> I would like to copy a 2048x2048 space with your copy-paste patch ;)

15:38:13  <yorick> @calc 2048^2 / 64^2

15:38:13  <DorpsGek> yorick: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

15:38:24  <yorick> @calc 2048^2/64^2

15:38:24  <DorpsGek> yorick: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

15:38:48  <yorick> @calc (2048*2048)/(64*64)

15:38:48  <DorpsGek> yorick: 1024

15:39:14  <yorick> it would take me 1024 steps to do it now ;)

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15:41:13  <yorick> @calc 2048*2048

15:41:13  <DorpsGek> yorick: 4194304

15:41:40  <yorick> @calc SQRT(4096)

15:41:40  <DorpsGek> yorick: 64

15:41:44  <Belugas> o_O

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15:42:04  <yorick> talking about crazyness?

15:42:06  <glx> yorick: do that in private

15:42:13  <Amis> hi all

15:43:29  <Belugas> hey Amis

15:43:35  <yorick> hmm...how much memory would it take for a buffer of 4194304?

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15:43:51  <Belugas> some bytes :P

15:44:06  <yorick> around 3MB?

15:44:21  <Belugas> buffer == undefined var.  who cares

15:44:34  <yorick> To avoid ram fragmentation, the copy-arrays are pre-allocated.

15:44:59  * Belugas plays with /ignore a bit

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15:50:31  * yorick is actually crazy enough to copy whole scenarios using your patch, frostregen :)

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16:06:07  <fjb> Hi

16:07:14  <yorick> hi

16:07:58  <fjb> Is there a known problem with auto update / upgrade in the actual code?

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16:08:47  <DaleStan> peter1138: I'm afraid patchflag 7F is always set; you probably don't want it for dynamicengines.

16:09:16  <frosch123> fjb: a lot if you are using newgrfs.

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16:09:48  <yorick> ok, I raised the limit, but it wont go any further than 255x255 :(

16:10:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: what kind of a question is that?

16:10:24  <fjb> frosch123: Ok, some vehicles are not replaced automatically. So you don't need a savegame?

16:11:32  <frosch123> An example: Most EMU and DMU can only leave depot if they have a certain length. If you replace the engine, you might end up in an invalid combination

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16:12:08  <yorick> VpSetPlaceSizingLimit seems to be stuck at 254 :(

16:12:39  <SmatZ> hmm you can convert railtype at whole map

16:12:48  <LA[lord]> hello

16:12:50  <SmatZ> is there a different function used?

16:12:54  <SmatZ> hello Lord

16:12:55  <fjb> I didn't mean that. Even autoupdate to the same vehicle (buying the same vehicle again when the old one reached end of it's life) doesn't always work.

16:13:10  <yorick> VpSetPlaceSizingLimit(2047);

16:13:28  <yorick> but it seems to be stuck at 255

16:13:43  <peter1138> DaleStan, ah... oh...

16:13:50  <peter1138> can it be documented? ;)

16:13:55  <peter1138> and is 0x80 usable?

16:14:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: first step, verify the setting is on, second step, verify you have enough money, third step, post savegame to bugs.openttd.org

16:15:19  <frosch123> ... verify if the engine is still available or already deprecated.

16:15:20  <fjb> First two steps are done already.

16:15:41  <fjb> I can still buy that enigne.

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16:16:18  <SmatZ> verify you have that vehicle available

16:16:33  <DaleStan> Dunno. It might get sign-extended instead of zero-extended; I've never investigated.

16:17:43  <fjb> I have enough money and can buy a copy of that vehicle in the same depot.

16:18:18  <frosch123> Do you have replace-protection, or different replacement rules for groups/all vehicles?

16:18:58  <frosch123> Though replace-protection should not apply to autorenew...

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16:19:13  <fjb> No replacement protection and no special rules for the vicles in that train.

16:19:53  <fjb> In the autoupgrade window I can noct deselect some of the upgrade rules.

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16:19:57  <fjb> not

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16:20:38  * yorick removes the "_limited" part and tries again

16:21:45  <Gonozal_VIII> oh landscape thingy update, that's nice

16:21:56  <yorick> ?

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16:23:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, documentation is nice and all, but it really should be up to date ;)

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16:27:04  <Belugas> there are some parts not up to date Eddi|zuHause2?

16:27:06  <Belugas> wher?

16:27:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, i didn't mean it like that

16:27:30  <Amis> is there any grf that set the planecrash to 0?

16:27:52  <Belugas> ok, sorry... that is waht i understood Eddi|zuHause2

16:27:54  <Gonozal_VIII> ch34t0r :P

16:28:08  <Belugas> Amis, i doubt very much

16:28:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> i meant that the commit message sounded like "documentation was not up to date"

16:28:34  <Amis> its very annoying when a planecrash ruin the whole airport...

16:28:57  <Belugas> yup

16:28:57  <fjb> Only till they cleaned up that airport.

16:29:31  <glx> Amis: which plane on which airport?

16:29:32  <Belugas> but hey.. the game is too easy already, people do need a bit of a challenge from time to time ;)

16:29:49  <Amis> its easy only when you set it to be easy :)

16:30:11  <Gonozal_VIII> no also with everything as hard as possible it's easy

16:30:15  <Gonozal_VIII> especially planes

16:30:58  <Amis> any who knows a good site from where i can get some nice map?

16:31:15  <Amis> i dont have time to make my own and the generator makes the map a bit "general"

16:31:23  <Eddi|zuHause2> maps.google.de

16:31:51  <Amis> i ment scenarios with towns and industries in it

16:32:06  <glx> there's a subforum for that

16:32:09  <Eddi|zuHause2> then the best guess is to search the forum

16:32:15  <DaleStan> peter1138: It looks like it should be easy to allow patchflags 80..FF.

16:32:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> there's a europe map around somewhere, a slight modification of which was used for wwottdgd

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16:35:15  <peter1138> DaleStan, weird, Open's documentation states that TTDPatch has 256 flags...

16:35:39  <DaleStan> It does not. Patch has 128 flags.

16:36:08  <peter1138> Quite.

16:42:14  <yorick> hmm...I think there is something stupid in my calculation, because copying a 2048x2048 area would mean(according to my calculation) 40gb of RAM used

16:42:26  <Belugas> so it seems there is room for more on our side ;)

16:43:11  <peter1138> yorick, why stupid?

16:43:23  <peter1138> 40MB is more likely, but depends ;)

16:43:42  <yorick> yes, but even then, it isn't using 40MB, only 9...

16:47:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> watching a 103 crawl around the map is ... interesting

16:47:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> you actually get to notice the speed limits in some curves ;)

16:48:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> and that is where you actually notice where the "realistic" acceleration gets really unrealsistic

16:48:38  <yorick> in MP, the client waiting in line status doesn't seem to be updated if one disconnects

16:49:35  <peter1138> heh

16:49:49  <peter1138> like the sudden deceleration for said curves?

16:50:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah

16:51:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> it goes 200 and then like instantly decelerates to 130

16:52:32  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, it's really time to doubletrack parts of this route...

17:00:25  * yorick is doing crazy map operations :)

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17:01:07  <LA[lord]> Yorick is crazy

17:01:41  <yorick> pasting 700x700 pieces is a tiny little bit of crazyness?

17:02:39  <yorick> I found out it isn't capable of pasting 2048x2048 :)

17:03:50  <yorick> hmm...its still pasting, doing it for over 3 minutes now :)

17:05:25  <Gonozal_VIII> copy the map array directly

17:06:00  <Gonozal_VIII> no need to go through all those change functions one by one

17:06:05  <yorick> yes, are you gonna make a patch for doing that?

17:06:17  <Gonozal_VIII> i thought about that...

17:06:23  <yorick> saving the map array in a file and loading it into another

17:06:26  <Gonozal_VIII> but i'll try other things first

17:06:56  <Gonozal_VIII> atm i'm working on a DrawGround(TileIndex tile)

17:07:11  <Gonozal_VIII> function that draws the ground sprite for any tile :-)

17:07:45  <yorick> for water, too?

17:07:54  <Gonozal_VIII> sure

17:08:03  <Gonozal_VIII> that's included in any^^

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17:09:27  <Gonozal_VIII> but don't expect that to be finished anytime soon, i'm a n00b with the openttd code

17:14:44  <Eddi|zuHause2> we definitely need a way to automatically handle priorities and overtaking

17:15:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> sharing tracks between freight and high speed passengers is way too inefficient

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17:25:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> @openttd commit 8464

17:25:14  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: Commit by peter1138 :: r8464 /trunk/src (6 files) (2007-01-30 21:10:04 UTC)

17:25:15  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: -Revert (r4322): Change back to converting to mph in the GUI code, as 1 mph == 1.6 km/h is too far out for some people.

17:25:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: there you have it

17:26:14  <Gonozal_VIII> ... so it's ok if metrical units are off but not for imperial?

17:26:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> @openttd commit 4322

17:26:42  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: Commit by peter1138 :: r4322 /trunk (7 files) (2006-04-08 12:04:23 UTC)

17:26:43  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: - Codechange: Remove conversion of kmh to mph from gui code to within the units conversion system, in string.c. This means displaying kmh requires no conversion, instead of being convert from kmh to mph, and then back to kmh again.

17:27:13  <Gonozal_VIII> people are strange

17:27:39  <Gonozal_VIII> people that use imperial units are strange...

17:27:50  <Eddi|zuHause2> nothing changed for imperial units

17:28:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> only the "rounding error" for km/h changed

17:28:09  <Sacro> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/01/sony-announces-new-power-outlet-standard.html

17:28:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> and i have never seen an explanation who "some people" are

17:28:31  <Eddi|zuHause2> i liked that change...

17:29:35  <yorick> I need some macro that can click the money cheat for (70,000,000,000/20000000) times

17:30:21  <peter1138> why?

17:30:31  <yorick> I need 70000000

17:30:34  <yorick> 000

17:30:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> use the source, yorick

17:31:02  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's just one value to change...

17:31:09  <yorick> I'm not going/wanting to compile again...

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17:32:29  <Gonozal_VIII> [18:30:47] Eddi|zuHause2: use the source, yorick <-- is it normal to think of star wars there?

17:32:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> yorick: it's not a complete recompile

17:32:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> just a change in a .cpp file

17:32:45  <glx> Gonozal_VIII: no it's not

17:33:02  <Gonozal_VIII> ok

17:33:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: no, it's geeky

17:33:08  <yorick> eddi, my pc doesn't like partial recompiles...

17:33:28  <Gonozal_VIII> what your pc doesnt like huh?

17:33:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> yorick: you do something really wrong...

17:34:00  <yorick> it has found a way to just give me a normal openttd binary in 3 seconds

17:34:11  <yorick> as if it downloads it from the website...

17:34:23  <Gonozal_VIII> yes... partially recompiled :P

17:34:38  <yorick> yes, but unpatched

17:34:47  <Gonozal_VIII> so?

17:35:10  <yorick> there is no use to make a patch if it compiles as if its not there

17:35:32  <Gonozal_VIII> only if the file got removed

17:35:46  <Gonozal_VIII> or you're doing something wrong^^

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17:36:00  <glx> save before compile :)

17:36:54  <yorick> any dev, now you know that 20,000,000 isn't enough ;)

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17:37:12  <glx> I never had this problem

17:37:15  <ToNight> http://nofate.clan.su Please Entred this page you will vote for me!!! (Thanks to all who entered!!)

17:37:24  <Gonozal_VIII> paste your stuff in the scenario editor

17:37:33  <yorick> it cant ;)

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17:37:47  <yorick> someone to kick ToNight-yes, thanks :)

17:38:05  <Gonozal_VIII> already happened

17:38:29  <Eddi|zuHause2> close the app before compiling ;)

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17:42:10  <yorick> pasting 2047x2047 seems to go quite well

17:42:32  <yorick> 40MB to paste :)

17:43:29  <Amis> nice nice... all i see you dudes pasting compiling discussing, compiling... i will never be able to understand it :D

17:43:55  <yorick> ouyay illway!

17:44:36  <yorick> translation(you will)

17:44:44  <Amis> aha

17:46:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12028 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: Split common part of station var 0x67, house var 0x62, indtile var 0x60 and industry var 0x62 to 'newgrf_commons.cpp'.

17:46:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2012.%20Mai%201939.png <- you can try to understand that in the mean time

17:46:56  <yorick> I'm going to get some food

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17:47:26  <Amis> lol holy semaphores

17:48:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2028.%20Sep%201927.png <- maybe start easier

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17:51:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2020.%20Okt%201947.png <- or if you feel like a challenge today ;)

17:53:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> soo... this train took half a year (x4) through the map

17:54:25  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12029 /trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: Allow trees on shore.

17:55:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> ooohhh aaaaahhh

17:55:22  <hylje> whoa

17:55:28  <hylje> ... mmm, trees...

17:55:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> that's a feature certainly nobody expected ;)

17:57:14  <frosch123> You should have a heart for the trees on the title screen.

17:59:02  <Eddi|zuHause2> i find the title screen quite annoying

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17:59:31  <Eddi|zuHause2> expecially the sound of the road crossings

17:59:47  <Digitalfox_> Let's all give a big *hug* to frosch123 :)

17:59:48  <Wolf01> yes i hate it

17:59:54  <Wolf01> hello :)

18:00:02  <Eddi|zuHause2> common typo ;)

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18:12:52  <Yorick> trees on shores :O

18:16:38  <fjb> My first try on painting isometric: http://www.myimg.de/?img=isom4cea7.png

18:16:45  <fjb> It's nothing great.

18:17:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> i did an assignment for art class with vector graphics in school

18:17:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... timeout

18:18:08  <fjb> Oh, is the server that slow again? :-(

18:18:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> second timeout

18:18:27  <Amis> what timeout?

18:18:28  <fjb> I was never good at art classes.

18:18:30  <Gonozal_VIII> works fine for me

18:19:08  <mcbane_ZZzzz> same here. loading smoothly

18:19:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> third time is the charm

18:19:37  <fjb> I did that im gimp, counting pixels. It is just for fun, I'm no artist.

18:20:01  <Amis> its like a candy house :D

18:20:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... didn't really work...

18:20:23  <fjb> Yes, it is too bright.

18:21:11  <Amis> a few days to practice and youll have the best town set :D

18:21:36  <fjb> I don't think so. I'm not good at painting.

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18:22:12  <Amis> say "i can do it" and you will be able to do it :)

18:22:26  <fjb> And it needs much praktice to make it looking better.

18:23:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> it can't be much worse than TTRS :p

18:23:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> that set has some weird colouring

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18:24:44  <Yorick> I like the urban renewal set more...

18:25:00  <Yorick> but it has to be coded for newhouses use

18:25:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> i haven't seen that one yet, i believe

18:25:21  <Yorick> looks very nice :)

18:25:40  * Yorick is doing another crazy paste operation

18:25:56  <Amis> lol...

18:26:37  <fjb> Hm, what makes the TTRS colors that weird?

18:26:43  <Yorick> red, green

18:26:45  <Yorick> yellow

18:26:50  <fjb> Is that the combination of different stiles?

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18:27:08  <Yorick> no, the scyscrapers are all yellow

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18:27:14  <Yorick> sky*

18:27:43  <Yorick> http://users2.tt-forums.net/ttdur/ttdur.htm

18:28:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> you don't often see green houses in cities

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18:28:44  <Yorick> hey, apperently, the pasting is done!

18:30:35  <Amis> Pasting done. Time spent: 64 years. Have a nice day!

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18:32:35  <Yorick> aaw

18:34:28  <Yorick> my own way of solving unregistered cargos!

18:37:44  <Yorick> k. but I'm now stuck with a townless scenario...

18:38:27  <Yorick> worse, I'm stuck with a townless world scenario!

18:40:58  <fjb> Is this better? http://www.myimg.de/?img=isom734c7.png

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18:44:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r12030 /trunk/src/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt italian.txt japanese.txt):

18:44:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-01-31 19:43:58

18:44:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 1 changed by tucalipe (1)

18:44:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 2 changed by lorenzodv (2)

18:44:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: japanese - 7 fixed by ickoonite (7)

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18:45:21  <Yorick> every day on 19:45?

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18:46:22  <glx> when he has time and doesn't forget ;)

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18:49:36  <Belugas> and when there is stuff to commit hehe

18:50:58  <Yorick> still, any translators needed?

18:53:48  <fjb> Hm, was the size of that shed ok?

18:54:44  <glx> Yorick: http://translator2.openttd.org/languages/GlobalStat <-- says there's enough translators for most languages

18:55:24  <glx> 94 bad strings, up-to-date, 6 translators assigned <-- let's slap them ;)

18:55:48  <Yorick> 1501 bad strings, up-to-date, 4 translators assigned ;)

18:56:06  <mcbane_ZZzzz> but there are a lot which have only one bad string

18:56:22  <Yorick> a string got added yesterday, I think

18:56:25  <glx> but latvian is unfinished

18:56:37  <glx> ie not in releases

18:56:46  <Yorick> the dutch is pretty much rubbish...

18:57:31  <Yorick> Simplified_chinese

18:57:31  <Yorick> 266 bad strings, up-to-date, 4 translators assigned

18:57:48  * Yorick is learning chinese

19:02:35  <Amis> good night where theres night. bye

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21:17:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12031 /trunk/src/ (town_cmd.cpp unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#1689,FS#1719]: Prevent towns from removing or claiming ownership of player owned tiles when growing.

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21:33:32  <Wolf01> 'night

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21:37:37  <ln-> http://www.parovoz.com/newgallery/pg_view.php?ID=117945

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21:39:15  <Gonozal_VIII> pouring liquid metal down some hill?

21:39:40  <SmatZ> killing the attackers!

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21:40:26  <Gonozal_VIII> that's boiling oil....

21:40:40  <Gonozal_VIII> but i guess liquid metal would be more efficient

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21:41:48  <Gonozal_VIII> so... wtf is that ln?

21:41:49  <mcbane_ZZzzz> yes but you need a lot more heat =)

21:42:37  <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: no clue, i'm expecting someone to tell me.

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21:43:12  <Gonozal_VIII> maybe it's lava... they're transporting and dumping lava :D

21:43:56  <SmatZ> :D

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21:51:16  <Gonozal_VIII> http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parovoz.com%2Fnewgallery%2Fpg_view.php%3FID%3D117945&lp=ru_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

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23:05:08  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12032 /trunk/src/unmovable_cmd.cpp: -Fix: When removing a statue, remove town statue flag for the statue owner, not current player.

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23:57:25  <orudge`> that's better

23:58:02  <ben_goodger> quite.

23:58:14  <ben_goodger> that looked quite painful, what causes them?

23:58:30  <ben_goodger> (aside from the server dying, that's relatively obvious)

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23:59:09  * Rubidium presumes it wasn't a dying server, but a broken link

23:59:30  <glx> TB said blackout

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