IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-12-20
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00:00:11 <kyevan> What if we accidently tunnel into D'ni and need to bridge across the cavern!?
00:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, there would be no technical limitation that would forbid road tiles
00:00:59 <Gonozal_VIII> how does that work anyways? is there a seperate small map array attached to the tunnel entry or something?
00:01:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> there were different ideas about that
00:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> the thing i found most promising was that there are submaps of like 16x16 size, which are dynamically allocated
00:02:12 <kyevan> D'ni is something from the Myst games >_>
00:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... this was a bad buffy episode...
00:04:08 <Gonozal_VIII> found any 4-letter animals yet?
00:04:39 <Gonozal_VIII> sacro can't count to 4?^^
00:04:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... i generally stop the video before that cind of question comes up :p
00:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> ever heard of the joy of timeshift?
00:05:58 <kyevan> Humans are animals, so, hmm
00:06:03 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... but i don't consider that as video
00:06:23 <Gonozal_VIII> but i also use it a lot
00:06:30 <kyevan> 4 letter word for a woman ending in -unt!
00:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i generally schedule shows that i want to watch as recording
00:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> because i will miss the start anyway
00:07:03 <Gonozal_VIII> you were something like 5 minutes behind with the ending of buffy^^
00:07:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> then i watch the recorded video while it still records
00:07:48 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... it's nice to skip the commercials
00:09:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> iirc there was a patch somewhere
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00:15:36 <kyevan> When do towns start accepting goods?
00:16:09 <Gonozal_VIII> when 8/8 goods are within the station catchment area
00:16:31 <Gonozal_VIII> use the ? tool on the buildings
00:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> generally, you need at least 3 office buildings
00:18:14 <kyevan> Is there any way to encourage those to start growing? >_>
00:18:31 <Gonozal_VIII> provide some passenger/mail service
00:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> towns grow if you have active transportation
00:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> depending on climate, you need to deliver food and water also
00:18:59 <Tefad> even if it's just a circle within the town itself ; )
00:19:20 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't matter where to
00:19:29 <Tefad> if initially it is a loss, it won't take too long to squeak out a profit.
00:19:44 <glx> just put a line bus in the town
00:19:53 <kyevan> Oh, I already have a little bus route running
00:20:04 <Gonozal_VIII> you get the goods accepting buildings only on roads with sidewalk
00:20:28 <kyevan> I mean, is there a way to encourage it to build office buildings rather than more homes and such.
00:20:48 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, fund new buildings... that expands the sidewalked area for some time
00:20:48 <kyevan> Gonozal_VIII: Oh? How do roads decide if they should have sidewalks or not?
00:20:55 <Tefad> i think there are three levels of town
00:21:15 <Tefad> one is low density, one is mixed density, and the last is high density
00:21:35 <Tefad> they radiate outward from the town center as concentric circles, like a bullseye
00:21:48 <Tefad> for small towns, you don't get much out of it.
00:22:13 <Tefad> however you can dump a wad of cash into the town to temporarily upgrade the roads so the buildings are constructed
00:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are 4 levels
00:22:19 <glx> and if you want to kill a town, just remove the road tile under the sign :)
00:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> lights, trees, pavements, none
00:22:43 <Tefad> but this doesn't mean the town won't decide to destroy it after the roads shrivel back to normal.
00:23:01 <kyevan> Oh, huh. I didn't know you could do that.
00:23:14 <Tefad> it's usually a large wad.. like half a million dollar/euros
00:23:24 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't increase the effect with funding multiple times
00:23:28 <Tefad> maybe smaller, i forget.
00:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> "fund new buildings" in the local authorities window
00:23:55 <Tefad> usually it's better to run small bus circuits in town
00:24:04 <Tefad> or to neighbor if close enough
00:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is a good thing to do if you can't deliver food
00:24:27 <kyevan> Tefad: Well, all neighbors are off the map >_>
00:24:28 <Gonozal_VIII> don't use fund local road construction... i think the only use of that is to annoy opponents with busses in the town...
00:24:36 <Tefad> kyevan: you just have one town?
00:25:07 <Tefad> i didn't know it went that small.
00:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> i only ever once played such a small map...
00:25:28 <Tefad> good for PSPs and the like i imagine.
00:25:28 <glx> I do road only on small map
00:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> it was a test game to find out why PBS were not working like they should
00:25:32 <Gonozal_VIII> also hard to get some money with lv4
00:26:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> i actually did find the reason ;)
00:26:28 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm yay pbs works now?
00:26:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> not now... a year ago
00:26:44 <glx> 64² may be very hard because industry chains may be incomplete
00:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> the PBS patch died with the cpp conversion
00:27:32 <Gonozal_VIII> actually i don't need pbs much but a presignal type that ignores exits that can't be reached (90 or 135) would be nice
00:27:37 <glx> <Eddi|zuHause2> the PBS patch died with the cpp conversion <-- like many patches ;)
00:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> exactly my thought ;)
00:28:24 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: but these exits are used for priority stuff :)
00:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> KUDr originally joined to create new PBS, but then he got "distracted" ;)
00:29:01 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, i don't mean to change the general behaviour of the presignals but to add a different type that ignores those exits
00:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> what i need is 2 layers of presignals (for independent bi-directional traffic)
00:29:33 <glx> the new PBS needs to be pathfinder independant
00:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> and a combo signal that forwards the exit signal status, but not assumes it itself
00:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> so trains that already entered the junction are guaranteed to exit
00:30:13 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm still strongly into the idea of removing the pathfinder in favour of programmable switches
00:30:17 <kyevan> I want fully programable signals :P
00:30:29 <Tefad> finite state machines ftw?
00:32:05 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: that patch shouldn't be too hard actually
00:32:31 <Gonozal_VIII> eddi, both your and my presignal type could be reached with a signal where you can define which exits it should reflect
00:32:43 * Sacro might try that patch tommorow
00:33:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: the problem with your suggestion is the huge amount of micromanagement that would require
00:33:40 <Gonozal_VIII> normal behaviour should remain as default option...
00:34:18 <Tefad> i vote for constructing blocks as a unit
00:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, sure, but you have no choice of transition steps...
00:34:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> either full or none
00:35:15 <Tefad> because what i said totally made sense in my head
00:35:21 <Tefad> but i can't express it in words : x
00:35:45 <Gonozal_VIII> a switch is a tile with more then one rail on it... it has a maximum of 4 directions in and out...
00:36:29 <Tefad> right, there's no half like roads n/m
00:36:45 <Gonozal_VIII> trains can't enter or leave the tile anywhere else
00:37:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> a train entering from one direction can leave in 3 others
00:37:13 <Gonozal_VIII> they can do so at 3 different angles for each direction but that doesn't matter
00:37:40 <Tefad> most tracks have one entrance one exit
00:37:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, it depends on where the train comes from, and 90° turns setting
00:37:52 <Gonozal_VIII> it has a maximum of three options
00:38:04 <kyevan> Wait, I though you could do 90 degree turns by default?
00:38:13 <kyevan> So that would mean you have a max of /5/ exits.
00:38:22 <Gonozal_VIII> no, that's also 3
00:38:32 <Tefad> 90deg is between two tiles
00:38:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> kyevan: no, 90° off means you reduce the number of choices from 3 to 2
00:39:10 <kyevan> you can do 90, 45, 0, -45, -90,
00:39:15 <Gonozal_VIII> depending on what tracks are on that tile
00:39:21 <kyevan> Assumeing a-fulltracked tile
00:39:39 <Gonozal_VIII> 90 and 45 leads to the same exit
00:39:39 <Tefad> the 90's carry into the next tile
00:39:52 <kyevan> left, right, left-at-an-angle, right-at-an-angle, foward?
00:39:55 <Tefad> where if 90 is turned off the next tile has ones less option.
00:40:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, kyevan, at each tile border you only ever have 3 choices
00:40:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> the other choices already were at the previous tile border
00:40:29 <kyevan> Er, dur, I'm an idiot :P
00:40:43 <Tefad> if 90 is off, two 45s in the same direction can't happen : )
00:41:56 <Gonozal_VIII> so very limited and easy to understand options for a switch
00:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> and several thousand switches in a big network
00:42:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> which you have to program differently for each train
00:43:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> which you also easily can get a thousand of
00:43:21 <Gonozal_VIII> group/shared orders/freight type/something
00:43:23 <Tefad> but only for each block
00:43:48 <Tefad> if a train isn't in the block, why bother computing its rules or whatever
00:44:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> if i have a huge passenger network, i don't have that many shared orders
00:44:11 <Gonozal_VIII> there's always a default rule
00:44:16 <Tefad> or am i not completely understanding what's going on here
00:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> Tefad: it's not about computing, it's about setting up
00:45:18 <Gonozal_VIII> default rule = the track that has been there before the single track tile turned into a switch tile
00:45:33 <Gonozal_VIII> and you can change that of course
00:45:33 <Tefad> why would you have to set it up per train
00:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> for each new train i build i have to program each switch it may be going to pass to have it take the right direction
00:46:12 <Tefad> i thought path finding did that
00:46:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> Tefad: because there is no pathfinder, to let the train decide on its own?
00:46:29 <Gonozal_VIII> there could be a rule "trains that have station x as their next order go left"
00:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII said "remove pathfinder"
00:46:49 <glx> <Eddi|zuHause2> for each new train i build i have to program each switch it may be going to pass to have it take the right direction <-- that's how it works IRL IIRC
00:47:07 <Tefad> why not for each train constructed, it compute an automatic path which can be augmented
00:48:09 <Gonozal_VIII> that could be additional help, yes...
00:48:15 <Tefad> or you set up way points
00:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: "trains that have station x as their next order, y as the subsequent order, z as their ultimate target, speed over 160km/h, run more than 200 ticks late, are less than 60% full and have more than 30 days until the next depot visit"
00:48:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> "except on fridays"
00:49:03 <Gonozal_VIII> extreme case but... yes :D
00:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is not even extreme...
00:49:27 <glx> and don't forget to change the rule when you work on the track ;)
00:49:51 <Gonozal_VIII> that could really need the build in pause cheat to be legalised^^
00:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> build in pause would be fine, if tracks have a construction time instead
00:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> (so you really would be doing "plan in pause")
00:51:19 <Gonozal_VIII> that should be doable as the tracks have the counter thing inside anyways (grass growth patch bla)
00:52:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> track tiles only have a marker "grass or no grass" (i.e. a 1 bit counter), plus stuff for the fences
00:52:44 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm the grass growth on unused track patch has a counter for that... you told me so^^
00:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, yes, but that is not in trunk :p
00:53:49 <Gonozal_VIII> that countdown part of the patch could go into trunk as countdown until track is finished...
00:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> but map space is generally a rare ressource
00:54:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm empty tiles have plenty of space right?
00:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> only water tiles have really a lot of space
00:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> empty tiles have grass growth, tree growth, rough land etc.
00:56:07 <Gonozal_VIII> they wouldn't need grass or trees when there is a rail being constructed on them
00:56:19 <Gonozal_VIII> more like a farm tile
00:57:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, but you would need a marker that you would be building rails, and then storage space for which railtype and trackbits, if signals etc. are to be constructed, and ultimately you store 90% of a regular rail tile in a different tile type...
00:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> you are heading in a silly direction there...
00:58:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i realise that...
00:59:09 <Gonozal_VIII> i won't bring up the "it's more realistic that way" argument...
00:59:51 <Gonozal_VIII> i like micro management a lot...
01:01:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but only if you have the option to not do micromanagement where it is not necessary
01:02:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... having a tmpfs was a bad idea...
01:02:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> now not only is my HD full, but also my RAM
01:02:48 <Gonozal_VIII> options: use normal pathfinder, use automatic with orders generated set of rules for the switches, program everything yourself
01:03:17 <Gonozal_VIII> that's really bad
01:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> the real problem is going to be that you are also having to do load balancing
01:05:40 <Gonozal_VIII> ah yes, i thought about that too... had some notes, looking
01:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> "if last train of same type was less than 300 ticks ago, choose that track"
01:07:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am going to be in real space trouble tomorrow...
01:07:36 <Gonozal_VIII> more like store how many trains went where (over a certain period) and prefer a defined spread
01:09:22 <Gonozal_VIII> search for stuff that you have in compressed and decompressed form... that usually frees some space if used the first time...
01:09:56 <Gonozal_VIII> at least for me when i'm too lazy to delete archives after decompressing
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09:09:39 <dihedral> is there still work in progress on the no-ai branch?
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09:22:10 <dihedral> or is there development on getting squirrel to the console language?
09:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> there has been no declaration of stopping work
09:22:33 <dihedral> well - that does not really mean _that_ much :-P
09:22:59 <dihedral> i beleive i once saw a commit or two by Rubidium to the noai branch - but i am not sure
09:23:38 <dihedral> and if squirrel were the main console language that would make it pretty powerful :-P
09:23:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, but with truebrain leaving, and other devs with "time constraints", plus 0.6 being released "shortly", i don't think there will be much happening in the near future
09:29:14 <dihedral> i was not wanting to 'see' something happen in 'the near future' - and i think nearly everybody knows that one should not expect anything to happen in 'the near future'
09:29:39 <dihedral> i was just wanting to be updated with the current state :-)
09:29:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i meant for very generous definitions of "near" ;)
09:30:12 <dihedral> yes - as generous as it always is in #openttd :-P
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09:31:40 <roboboy> when I test a vehicle what constitutes testing so I dont get the penalty imposed on me of no new tests for the next year
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09:36:54 <roboboy> you know the blue box asking if you want to test their vehicle
09:37:43 <dihedral> you want to tell me you actually 'test' it - i mean - you do something else than simply use it?
09:38:01 <roboboy> but what constitues testing
09:38:18 <roboboy> can it just be a short run
09:38:25 <dihedral> you get the privilege of using it a year elarlier than anybody else?
09:38:39 <dihedral> look at it more of a promotion thiny
09:38:44 <roboboy> say I plan to use it but dont get the line finmished before the train is made available to all
09:39:15 <TallOak_> They usually come at a higher breakdown cost, IIRC.
09:40:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> roboboy: i think if you don't have it after 1 year, they won't offer you any more prototypes for a while
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10:09:47 <Smoky555> in last trunk someone forget to add window_*.h files to project ... (trunk 11670). Who can fix this?
10:10:06 <Smoky555> and window.h file is still in project ...
10:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> bugs.openttd.org
10:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> and state WHICH project...
10:12:42 <Smoky555> it is not bag, game builds ok without any errors.
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10:14:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> but there the people who can fix it will read it
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11:04:33 <Smoky555> what is the max population in city in openTTD ?
11:10:50 <Prof_Frink> (max. pop. per building)*((max. town radius)*pi^2)*(required road factor)
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13:09:40 <As1> Hi all. Just wondering; How do I transfer money to another player in multi-player mode? :-)
13:11:42 <As1> Why is my nick Openttd I wonder. :-)
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13:53:54 <frosch123> Hoooorrraayy! Holidays!
13:54:15 <Gonozal_VIII> since last week!
13:55:43 <frosch123> well actually until I find a job.
13:56:02 <frosch123> Some kind of final holidays.
13:56:54 <Gonozal_VIII> had that two years long until i decided to start studying...
13:57:21 <frosch123> well, i just finished :)
13:58:01 <Gonozal_VIII> what did you study?
13:58:31 <frosch123> "Technomathematik", i.e. applied mathematics
13:59:21 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- business informatics
14:00:03 <Gonozal_VIII> what kind of work needs a technomathemage?
14:00:33 <Gonozal_VIII> (just made that word up, cool, isn't it?)
14:01:00 <frosch123> things, that need more mathematical skills, than engineers or informatics have :)
14:01:33 <frosch123> solving partial differential equations etc.
14:02:21 <Gonozal_VIII> well, solving is not the problem, computers do that... finding the right equation is more problematic
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14:03:51 <frosch123> well i teach the computer how to solve them, and there are a lot which are not that easily solvable
14:04:07 <frosch123> like doing some mouse-clicks in femlab, ...
14:06:27 <Gonozal_VIII> femlab does research on women?
14:07:18 <frosch123> It is a kind of woman for mathematicans :)
14:09:06 <Gonozal_VIII> "dies ist mein femlab, es gibt viele femlabs, doch dieses ist meins..."
14:09:20 <frosch123> if you really want to know: finite-element-method-laboratory.
14:10:14 <frosch123> though it is the name of the company now. the software is named "comsol" since it is independent from matlab.
14:13:26 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know anything about that companies or products...^^
14:14:09 <frosch123> then you are neither a mathematican nor an engineer. :)
14:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> he said "buisiness informatics" ... that's like the worst kind...
14:14:52 <frosch123> But you have chances that you meet "matlab" during your informatics studies.
14:15:28 <frosch123> well there are a lot girls in "buisiness informatics".
14:15:51 <frosch123> if they are not watching soaps all day, they are fine.
14:15:51 <Gonozal_VIII> there's not many of us but one day we will rule the world! muhahahahahaha
14:16:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> the only girls here study "bio-informatics"
14:16:39 <Gonozal_VIII> bio informatics? :S
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14:16:54 <frosch123> yes, they also construct women
14:17:03 <Gonozal_VIII> and yes, we have lots of girls
14:17:25 <frosch123> ... watching soaps all day
14:17:52 <Gonozal_VIII> there's also the afternoon talkshows
14:18:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, they program test software for certain deseases (e.g. Alzheimer)
14:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> and they measure code quality in unemployed engineers per lines of code :p
14:20:03 <Gonozal_VIII> are the ones that set them free to live a happy workless life :-)
14:20:55 * frosch123 has indeed heard a lecture "bio informatics", but it was about reconstructing dna, searching patterns, etc. Btw. the lecturer was a female professor.
14:21:23 <Gonozal_VIII> female professors are a myth
14:23:16 <frosch123> Well she was always muttering, that she gets letters for "mr. professor..."
14:23:52 <Gonozal_VIII> we have a whole institute for gender stuff :S
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14:28:38 <Gonozal_VIII> they do very important reaearch to find more words where you can attach "Innen"
14:29:53 <Hendikins> Have to double back and I can't fucking sleep.
14:30:25 <Gonozal_VIII> try to sleep without fucking
14:31:18 <Gonozal_VIII> read something... preferably a manual
14:31:36 <Hendikins> I've written manuals, so they don't bore me to sleep.
14:32:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> you always analyse the other people's style :p
14:32:27 <Hendikins> Or I could give up, and crash after I finish my next shift.
14:32:28 <Gonozal_VIII> try "Bunte Steine" from Adalbert Stifter... if you can't read german even better
14:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> try counting trains ;)
14:33:04 <Hendikins> Eddi|zuHause3: I do that at work.
14:33:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i know ;)
14:33:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> but around here, they always advise you to count sheep
14:33:44 <Hendikins> And I actually mean that somewhat literally, I've been going through the STNs and doing up the modified SWTTs and DVAs for my station.
14:34:14 * Gonozal_VIII has no idea what that was supposed to mean
14:34:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> i assume time tabeling stuff
14:34:52 <Gonozal_VIII> you could write a patch for programmable switches ;-)
14:35:40 <Hendikins> Gonozal_VIII: STN = Special Train Notice. SWTT = Standard Working Timetable. DVA = Digital Voice Announcement
14:36:22 <Hendikins> When we've got altered running for whatever reason (usually trackwork), an STN is issued.
14:36:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i thought you don't use the dvas a lot
14:36:59 <Hendikins> And I have the attention to detail required for putting the announcements and whatnot together.
14:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> especially within trains they often have digital voices telling "next stop: XYZ"
14:37:45 <Hendikins> Our "modified SWTT" is a document that contains a nice table of the trains leaving my station in each direction - run number, time, via, stopping pattern, and when it hits Central (or terminating location)
14:38:33 <Gonozal_VIII> have to go deiceify my car... have to drive my mother and grandparents to the next city for shopping in 20 minutes
14:38:51 <Hendikins> So what I end up doing is reading the STN, picking out what bits we actually care about, dropping them in to the aforementioned table, then using the data in that table to do the DVA library.
14:39:52 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm i'll check the webcam first if there is snow outside..
14:45:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> he really feels the wrath of peer...
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15:20:10 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: But he knows who peer is.
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16:57:13 <Gonozal_VIII> is there a way to get qos through some software when the router itself doesn't have it?
16:57:41 <Gonozal_VIII> sorry for the offtopic question
16:58:02 <Digitalfox> Gonozal_VIII: CfosSpeed
16:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> as long as the router runs linux ;)
16:58:20 <glx> but will only work for qos on your own pc
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16:58:30 <Digitalfox> Use it in every pc and it will prioritize web pages traffic and put P2P to the back
16:58:42 <Digitalfox> I use it at home and at work
16:59:02 <Digitalfox> So my P2P doesn't slow down my web experinece
16:59:28 <Digitalfox> It adjusts P2P download and upload to let you open pages and make some downloads
16:59:29 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks... could be useful but atm it's another pc on the network that's slowing me down
16:59:42 <Digitalfox> yes, but still can use it
16:59:53 <Digitalfox> and if you can intsall it in that machine
17:00:32 <Digitalfox> The new version of Cfos Speed talks to each pc so that P2P or other aplications is put behind
17:04:41 <Gonozal_VIII> now to tell him about it... he has the same problems (just got disconnected from icq)
17:05:45 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Which kind of network load gets you disconnected?
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17:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: an unlimited p2p client can really choke your network
17:15:30 <fjb> Yes, but also a simple ftp or http download can. p2p is not always the reason for a jam in the network.
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17:19:58 <Gonozal_VIII> installed and running on both pcs
17:21:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> i give you 30 minutes :p
17:24:22 <Digitalfox> Gonozal_VIII: So how is it doing?
17:24:47 <Gonozal_VIII> connection to icq failed...
17:25:03 <Digitalfox> You instaledd cfos on both?
17:25:06 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of load on the hd
17:25:38 <Digitalfox> the first thing you have to do on both is use max download and upload so it can calibrate
17:26:03 <Digitalfox> Then in the program you can say what you want to have more importance
17:26:19 <Digitalfox> By default it should all P2P to the last place
17:26:21 <Gonozal_VIII> what does it do to my harddisk?
17:26:43 <Digitalfox> it doesn't need the HDD
17:26:46 <Gonozal_VIII> but its very active...
17:27:03 <Digitalfox> are you sure it's not your firewall or anti-virus?
17:27:30 <Digitalfox> Hey i use it for 3 years now, and also a lot of friends with no problems
17:27:47 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm acs.exe uses 70% of the cpu
17:28:17 <Gonozal_VIII> but it didn't do that before
17:28:32 <Digitalfox> thats your modem/router software
17:29:17 <Digitalfox> What do you use modem or router?
17:29:31 <Digitalfox> Disable it, if needed
17:29:50 <Digitalfox> So a router conceted to a modem?
17:30:24 <Gonozal_VIII> disabled acs.exe, now the hd works even more
17:30:28 <Digitalfox> And why do you need router/modem software if the conections is made by the modem in conjuction with the router?
17:30:51 <Gonozal_VIII> but cpu usage is down from 75% to 4
17:30:56 <Digitalfox> Are you sure it's not the anti-virus?
17:31:57 <Gonozal_VIII> back to normal now
17:32:05 <Digitalfox> The best way to use Cfos, is to have a fresh windows with no modem/router software and your firewall and anti-virus propery configured to let cfos work
17:32:46 <Digitalfox> Many people also use it to online games, better Low Ping
17:33:03 <Digitalfox> It's pretty used actually :)
17:33:31 <Gonozal_VIII> icq doesn't connect
17:34:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i already set trillian to higher priority
17:34:57 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm i'll try restarting it
17:35:02 <Digitalfox> what p2p is your friend using?
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17:40:16 <Gonozal_VIII> icq is connected now
17:40:58 <Gonozal_VIII> to the icq server :-)
17:41:59 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know... i'll have to see if it keeps disconnecting me
17:44:20 <Digitalfox> Th longer you use the better experience you'll have..
17:44:32 <Digitalfox> Also there is a lot of things you can change
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17:46:38 <Digitalfox> but Gonozal_VIII what P2P does your friend use?
17:49:21 <Gonozal_VIII> [18:45:21] *** You have been disconnected. Thu Dec 20 18:45:21 2007.
17:49:21 <Gonozal_VIII> [18:47:36] *** You have been disconnected. Thu Dec 20 18:47:36 2007.
17:49:27 <Digitalfox> Well you should, because if is emule you should configure it to use 80% of download max and upload max, or it will estrangulate your conection.. Also emule has an option to try to auto-upload speed, that should be turned off..
17:49:56 <Digitalfox> Cfos Speed works well if you also configure right your P2P aplications
17:50:09 <Digitalfox> Theres no miracles
17:51:32 <Digitalfox> But what you are experinecing is the worst situation that can happen.. losing aplications concetions to the server with bad pings tranfers time/speed
17:51:53 <Digitalfox> Sorry my english, but i'm using a semi destroyed keyboard..
17:53:03 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... msn is the worst, it doesn't even connect there... icq disconnects and reconnects all the time and irc sometimes
17:53:57 <Digitalfox> So do what i'm telling you, find out what P2P he is using and CONFIGURE IT PROPERLY
17:54:20 <Gonozal_VIII> he says qtorrent
17:54:41 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess he means
17:54:50 <Digitalfox> Go the options and put 80% of your speed of download and upload..
17:55:08 <Digitalfox> And see if theres a option for auto-speed control, and deactivate it
17:55:54 <Digitalfox> Until you do this, what you are experiencing will just continue even with cfos, because it can't make miracles
17:56:11 <Digitalfox> Cfos works if the P2P aplicattions are well configured
17:56:56 <Digitalfox> For example i have ADSL 8128/384 so i have in emule download unlimited and max of upload 35KB/s
17:57:13 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmmm he had it limited to 15kb/s upload and 50 download...
17:57:22 <Digitalfox> So that 7-8KB/s are free for server conections
17:57:31 <Digitalfox> what upload do you have?
17:58:06 <Digitalfox> So that means it cab 30KB/s of upload, but if auto-upload speed is turned on it will raise that value
17:58:29 <Digitalfox> Also there another thing how many half-conections does you router modem suppoort'
17:58:47 <Gonozal_VIII> half connections?
17:59:04 <Gonozal_VIII> automatic setting has been off
17:59:12 <Gonozal_VIII> so what's a half connection?
18:01:05 <Digitalfox> All router/modem hgas a limit of how many by sec it can do
18:01:17 <Digitalfox> if that limit is reached concetions will be lost
18:01:37 <Digitalfox> so see how many there is the u torrent
18:01:48 <Digitalfox> and try to find out how many your hardware support
18:01:57 <glx> windows already limit half connection number
18:02:16 <Digitalfox> but that limit is normally raised by a patch
18:02:22 <Digitalfox> and his friend have changed it
18:02:34 <Digitalfox> i for example have 100
18:02:51 <Digitalfox> but normally emule or azureus only use 50
18:03:13 <Digitalfox> but that's because my US Robotics support it, has a good CPU
18:03:28 <Gonozal_VIII> the connections to peers/seeds?
18:03:40 <fjb> I don't see why a router should have a limit in half open connections.
18:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, the connections that are about to start
18:03:51 <Digitalfox> But Gonozal_VIII maybe we should talk by private, we are flooding the channel with off topic discussion
18:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: because the producers are cheap bastards
18:04:43 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause3: True :)
18:05:38 <fjb> The router only forwards the packets, no need to care about the state of a connection. Even the firewall of the cheapest router should have no problem with the number of connections.
18:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: how much do you know of routing?
18:07:13 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: Why do you ask?
18:07:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> to be able to put your statements into the right context
18:08:16 <fjb> I have build profeesional firewalls with quality of service support.
18:10:11 <SmatZ> "Even the firewall of the cheapest router should have no problem with the number of connections."
18:10:32 <SmatZ> then I had "cheaper than cheaper" ... it was dying when I was trying too many connections in a short time
18:10:40 <fjb> Reaching the limit of half open tcp connections (only tcp has it anyway) doesn't cause disconnections of already established connections.
18:11:58 <fjb> SmatZ: Bugs may be in any software, especially in chaep one. That is sad and true.
18:13:52 <fjb> A router that gets locked up under any condition is a pice of crap. It may drop connections when it is not capable to allow more, but it should never lock up.
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18:27:00 <fjb> What did you install? cFos speed?
18:28:51 <fjb> I took a look at their website. It looks very capable. But it only shapes the traffic of the computer it is installed on, if I'm not mistaken.
18:30:50 <Gonozal_VIII> variable (cooperative) Your connection has variable bandwidth and/or you use it with several PCs simultaneously. cFos Traffic Shaping is installed on all PCs.
18:30:51 <fjb> So one computer still can steel the bandwith of the other.
18:30:54 <Gonozal_VIII> there is that setting
18:31:39 <fjb> Ah, ok. The question is, how it manages that cooperative mode.
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18:32:46 <Gonozal_VIII> but not very good as it seems because icq disconnected 6 times since install
18:32:47 <fjb> Traffic shaping is very limited if the traffic shaper doesn't see the whole traffic.
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18:33:49 <fjb> First step should be to find out the cause of your disconnections.
18:34:10 <Digitalfox> One thinng is a router with broadband modem included another thing is a conection with a Modem + Router.. They may not get along very well..
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18:34:24 <Digitalfox> I've seen many cases of this
18:34:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm so it could be a hardware problem...
18:34:54 <Haube> wow very crowded here ;)
18:34:54 <Digitalfox> When a Router with broadband included would be 2x more stablke than a Modem conected to a Router
18:35:27 <Digitalfox> Diferent manufucters don't always get along very well
18:35:47 <Digitalfox> You have the example of Wireless draft 2
18:35:54 <Digitalfox> not all of them get along
18:35:56 <fjb> I don't beleave in a hardware problem yet. We still don't know enough about the cause of the disconnections.
18:36:08 <Digitalfox> i'm saying it is, but could be
18:36:17 <Haube> i have a short question, how can i buy firm completely , i am playing on lan with a friend and we want to merge our companys
18:36:30 <Gonozal_VIII> it used to be only me directly on the modem and later he wanted to get internet too so he bought the router... that's why it's not a combined router/modem thingy
18:36:49 <fjb> Draft is draft, as the name tells. It is not estonishing that two different drafts are not working together.
18:37:36 <fjb> Haube: Buying a whole company is not possible in multyplayer.
18:37:58 <Haube> i tried also to load it in single player but it dosen't work either
18:38:04 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: How is your network layout?
18:38:46 <Gonozal_VIII> router is connected to modem then we're both directly connected to the router
18:39:20 <Haube> ok if its not possible thanks for the help, so i dont have to spend much time, i will idle a bit around here ;) nice place ! have a nice day/evening
18:40:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> once upon a time there was a patch setting to buy out a company with 100% shares
18:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> (single player only)
18:40:46 <fjb> Only the router is able to do a fair traffic shaping. cfos speed may help, but it will have a hard time to make it fair.
18:41:15 <Haube> computer players can still be taken over,
18:41:30 <Gonozal_VIII> it doesn't need to be fair, it's fair enough if icq/msn/irc doesn't disconnect
18:41:45 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: You should try to find out if sending or receiving causes the problems.
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18:42:48 <fjb> The disconnects of already established connections are caused by timeouts or lost packets.
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18:43:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i would guess sending as the incoming bandwidth was nowhere near fully used
18:44:00 <fjb> That is good. You have a better chance tu cure problems on the sending side.
18:44:28 <glx> the problem is often upload
18:45:06 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Is your download speed highter when you are not uploading anything?
18:45:48 <Gonozal_VIII> download drops to almost zero when upload is >35 kb/s
18:45:54 <Gonozal_VIII> but he had it limited to 15
18:46:19 <fjb> Looks like the problem are dropped ack packets.
18:48:27 <Gonozal_VIII> how do keep them from being dropped?
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18:49:58 <fjb> Give them highes priority. But it looks like cfos speed already does it. Does your download speed still drop with installed cfos speed when your friend is using more of the upload bandwidth?
18:51:34 <Gonozal_VIII> he has the same icq problems, so he is offline now...
18:52:00 <fjb> We need his cooperation to debug your problem.
18:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> how far apart are you guys?
18:54:44 <Gonozal_VIII> he's a floor above me
18:55:08 <Bjarni> ohhh... is he still stealing all your bandwidth?
18:55:34 <Bjarni> give me his IP and I will ban him
18:55:50 * Bjarni has the root password to the internet
18:56:31 *** Bjarni sets mode: +b *!*@N805P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at
18:56:54 *** Bjarni sets mode: -b *!*@N805P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at
18:57:14 <Gonozal_VIII> he's online again and i told him to resume downloads... so i'll disconnect soon
18:57:18 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: so... do you need any more help?
18:57:42 <Bjarni> you asked him to take your bandwidth???
18:57:52 <fjb> Bjarni: Gonozal_VIII needs a router with a capable traffic shaper. Send one to him.
18:58:08 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that would help :-)
18:58:09 <fjb> Bjarni: We try to debug his problems.
18:58:12 * Bjarni uploads a new router to Gonozal_VIII
18:58:25 <Bjarni> and it's a mighty good one
18:58:33 <Bjarni> it has a special feature
18:58:40 <Gonozal_VIII> how do i decompress software to hardware?
18:58:43 <Bjarni> it gives me full LAN access without you realising it
18:58:44 <fjb> Sadly it's also a virtual one...
18:59:20 <fjb> Bjarni: Look at all the bad stuff at 127.0.0.1 :-)
18:59:25 <Gonozal_VIII> 3d matter printer...
19:00:09 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm 192.168.1.5 :-)
19:00:21 <Bjarni> look at all the source codes on 127.0.0.1
19:00:36 <Bjarni> this guy appears to be a coding genius
19:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> look at all the security holes at 127.0.0.1
19:00:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm totally going to hack this guy
19:01:13 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: You published your IP, now you are lost. :-)
19:01:20 <Bjarni> looks like I can connect to this guy on all ports... no firewalls or anything
19:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: we're going to DDoS him, alright?
19:01:58 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: I have really low ping to your IP
19:02:17 <|Jeroen|> yeah a good old dossing
19:02:19 <Bjarni> but.... why are you using such an ancient mac?
19:02:20 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: What IP ist your freind using?
19:03:03 * Bjarni feels sorry for Gonozal_VIII
19:03:11 <Bjarni> the computer is too old for even OpenTTD
19:03:50 <Gonozal_VIII> 1999 computer is too old for openttd?
19:04:06 <fjb> A 1999 Mac ist too old...
19:04:36 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Is he using more bandwith with his uploads now?
19:04:39 <Bjarni> 266 MHz G3... but the problem is that the newest version of OSX it can use is 10.2.8 while OpenTTD needs 10.3
19:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> get an older version of OpenTTD ;)
19:05:11 <Gonozal_VIII> his upload is between 27 and 35
19:05:18 <fjb> Bjarni: Would installing a X server not help?
19:05:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> or try to bug the MAC dev that he introduces support for 10.2.8 :p
19:05:31 <Prof_Frink> This computer could probably play openttd if I set it to use fbdev
19:05:37 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: is your download speed still near 0?
19:05:58 <Gonozal_VIII> went down to 20 kb/s
19:06:14 <|Jeroen|> wouldn't the simplest sollution be to install linux onto it ?
19:06:27 <Bjarni> <fjb> Bjarni: Would installing a X server not help? <-- no because the native graphics are faster than X on OSX
19:07:37 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: That is low. Are you sure that cfos speed is installed correctly and is shaping the trffic of the networking interface in use? I mean on both computers?
19:08:07 <Gonozal_VIII> yes it is... should be
19:08:26 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: And is your daonload speed the same as before you installed cfso speed or is it higher now?
19:09:33 <fjb> Hm, then cfos speed is not doing it's job. It is either not shaping the traffic on the used interfaces or it is not capable to shape your kind of traffic.
19:10:46 <fjb> I fear the traffic shaper has to run on the router to be able to shape your traffic.
19:11:05 <Gonozal_VIII> router doesn't support that
19:12:26 <fjb> What kind of router is it?
19:13:02 <Digitalfox> Hack the router lol
19:14:13 <fjb> That speed is not really low.
19:15:03 <Gonozal_VIII> well yes... but it shouldn't disconnect icq, msn and irc all the time
19:16:43 <fjb> Maybe the problem is that cfos speed is not able to diferrentiate the ack packets of different connections. Or you could try to give icq etc. the highes priority.
19:16:57 <Gonozal_VIII> another speedtest site says upload 2624kbps download 304kbps
19:17:22 <Gonozal_VIII> i already gave trillian highest priority
19:18:15 <fjb> Looks like it is not able to solve your problems.
19:19:03 <Digitalfox> fjb: So what do you recommend now?
19:19:09 <Gonozal_VIII> so i'll just keep pulling his cable when i disconnect too often
19:19:55 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Get Bjarni to build a robot to pull the cable automagically
19:20:02 <fjb> Buy or build a router with traffic shaping. Or tell the friend to use p2p software only at night.
19:20:10 <Gonozal_VIII> i can reach the cable from here
19:20:31 <Gonozal_VIII> only at night? but that's when i'm online the most
19:20:43 <fjb> Ok, then tell him to use it at day.
19:22:49 <Digitalfox> Sorry but there is no need to trafic shapping on a router from a home user... In this PC i have emule and azureus running right with this IRC client.. On my bedroom my girlfriend is seeing TV stream from the internet and in my other PC i have a Multi player game turned on.. And my router has traffic shapping off, and i onlu cfos Speed
19:23:08 <Gonozal_VIII> i told him to download his stuff between 4 and 12 when i'm most likely asleep
19:23:21 <Digitalfox> So IMHO there's no need for hardware traffic shapping
19:23:37 <fjb> Traffic shaping is software anyway.
19:23:44 <Digitalfox> Software is cheaper and does the work to..
19:23:56 <Digitalfox> True but the hardware has to support it
19:24:08 <fjb> And you have a very diffent mix of traffic than Gonozal_VIII has.
19:24:26 <Wezz6400> there's no such thing as hardware routing anyway, the fact that it's firmware running on slow chips doesn't change that it's software
19:24:49 <fjb> Not every kind of traffic can be shaped with cfos speed in cooperating mode.
19:25:37 <Digitalfox> yes, but i'm a heavy dsl user, and have no problems using cfos...
19:26:11 <Digitalfox> But we are very off topic, so i'll just leave the discussion :)
19:26:17 <fjb> How do you explain that Gonozal_VIII is still having the problems then?
19:27:05 <Digitalfox> I don't.. But i would point out to bad configuration on torrent's program..
19:27:25 <Digitalfox> I never said i did know what was wrong..
19:27:28 <Gonozal_VIII> he said that the automatic stuff is off
19:28:08 <Digitalfox> yes, but there is more configurations.. That is just tip of the iceberg.. If you use azureus and turn on advanced user you will see what i'm talking about
19:28:17 <fjb> Traffic shaping should solve problems with a badly configured p2p client. If the p2p client is configured to be nice you don't need traffic shaping.
19:29:40 <fjb> If the traafic shaper is working you don't need to configure the p2p client manually. If you have to do that, the traffic shaper is not shaping your traffic.
19:30:23 <Gonozal_VIII> good thing is that it's his last year on the school here, so from summer on i'll have the connection alone again
19:34:48 <Gonozal_VIII> a school type that only exists in austria so you wouldn't know
19:36:53 <Gonozal_VIII> for interior design and wood technology... or something like that^^
19:43:31 <Bjarni> sounds like a school for gay people
19:43:49 <Gonozal_VIII> it does in the english translation... but it's not
19:43:50 <Bjarni> I mean... interior design
19:44:11 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not really about placing a plant there and some candles there...
19:44:19 <Gonozal_VIII> more the architecture part
19:44:29 <Bjarni> hehehe... not to mention wood technology XD
19:44:30 <fjb> Oh, cfos speed is really limited in cooperative mode. It tries to guess the availlable bandwidth by using pings. The cfos speed instaces on the diffent computers are not talking with each other. You must be lucky if that kind of shaping is working.
19:45:22 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Get Bjarni to build a robot to pull the cable automagically <-- that wouldn't work
19:45:31 <Bjarni> you see.... I'm taking time off
19:45:43 <Bjarni> finished the last exam today :D
19:45:46 <Gonozal_VIII> no cable pulling robot for me?
19:45:59 <Bjarni> now I will do something completely different
19:46:18 <Gonozal_VIII> codeing for openttd 24/7 ;-)
19:46:21 * Bjarni has an appointment at the switching yard tomorrow
19:46:52 <fjb> An appointment with a train?
19:47:09 <Gonozal_VIII> do they pay you for driving or do you pay them for letting you drive?^^
19:47:31 <Bjarni> are you indicating that I want to date a train?
19:47:54 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: They pay him to deisgn robots to drive the trains. With lasers and railguns.
19:48:03 * fjb doesn't indicate anything.
19:48:12 <Bjarni> I heard about people being married to the railroad but I think it's meant in a different way XD
19:48:33 <Gonozal_VIII> a different type of railgun.. a gun that shoots out rails
19:49:05 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> do they pay you for driving or do you pay them for letting you drive?^^ <-- I'm not getting paid but I don't really pay anything myself either (except an annual members fee)
19:49:27 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> a different type of railgun.. a gun that shoots out rails <--- I want one of those
19:49:44 <Bjarni> laying tracks by hand is so physically hard
19:49:55 <Rubidium> Bjarni: is going to clean the ballast with a tooth brush
19:50:01 <Bjarni> specially without machinery and machinery is too expensive for us :(
19:50:29 <Bjarni> I knew we forgot something
19:50:35 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Just make a big loop of track and put it round the train
19:51:05 <Gonozal_VIII> why do you need ballast?
19:51:32 <Bjarni> well.... we don't lay real tracks, only sidings
19:51:42 <Bjarni> with a severe speed limit
19:51:52 <fjb> So the trains dont capsize.
19:52:07 <Bjarni> the demands aren't as high as real tracks
19:52:36 <Bjarni> are you guys picking up ballast?
19:52:38 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm could a train drive on asphalt without rails?
19:52:55 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess you couldn't steer it...
20:03:44 <fjb> Depends what kind of driving you mean...
20:04:53 <Bjarni> damn... I just spent 8 minutes finding that image
20:04:54 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm the asphalt doesn't look good there
20:05:10 <Bjarni> that page needs an index instead of "get random picture"
20:05:28 <pavel1269> he can't turn there? ^^
20:05:48 <Gonozal_VIII> how did that happen?
20:06:05 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> how did that happen? <-- poor tracks... it derailed
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20:07:49 <Gonozal_VIII_> disconnected again...
20:07:52 <Bjarni> it jammed between the tracks
20:09:20 <Rubidium> that 'dutch' one looks kinda photoshopped to me
20:09:21 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII_: I have read the online documentation of cfos speed. There is no way it can help you. A future version maybe. They are pallning a better cooperative mode.
20:09:42 <Gonozal_VIII_> ok... thank you
20:10:20 <Gonozal_VIII_> hmm strange thing is he isn't downloading anything atm
20:10:28 <Bjarni> Rubidium: I read about that one in the news at one time... this woman tried to drive on the rails to make a shortcut to avoid heavy traffic.... it worked well for a while but then this happened
20:10:40 <Gonozal_VIII_> ah... that was a regular 8h disconnect
20:11:28 <Bjarni> the one to the left appears to be nearly breaking the switch
20:12:00 <Gonozal_VIII_> look how much they love each other :-)
20:14:12 <ln-> where does Bjarni Railways operate?
20:15:04 <ln-> to get onboard a train driven by Bjarni, where to go?
20:15:19 <SmatZ> Bjarni is a train driver?
20:16:11 <Gonozal_VIII_> he thinks so... don't burst his bubble
20:16:30 <Bjarni> ln-: Copenhagen or further to the north
20:16:51 <fjb> Bjarni thinks he is a train driver. :-)
20:16:51 <Bjarni> tomorrow is without passengers though... it's "just" switching yard operations
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20:20:19 <Bjarni> why is it so hard to believe that I actually have a life?
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20:21:13 <ln-> because you are *not* here 24/7?
20:21:51 <Bjarni> because I'm offline once in a while I can't do anything without using a computer
20:21:58 <Bjarni> now that sounds logical
20:22:09 <Bjarni> you are a true Vulcan by heart
20:22:13 <ln-> so that indicates you must be trying to fake life by being offline even several days now and then.
20:22:38 <ln-> you're still at your computer, but not using irc, that is.
20:22:40 <fjb> Really? there is life outside the internet?
20:23:19 <Bjarni> <fjb> Really? there is life outside the internet? <-- yes... those are called UFOs
20:23:39 <fjb> Ok, ok, I don't belive in UFOs.
20:24:52 <Bjarni> we should trust the government XD
20:25:30 <fjb> The earth may possibly flat...
20:25:47 <Gonozal_VIII> the earth is a sphere
20:25:51 <Gonozal_VIII> we are on the inside
20:28:57 <Bjarni> SmatZ: it's claimed to be a hoax. Look at the name and connect it with the fact that it's written on Hitler's birthday
20:29:25 <Gonozal_VIII> why do people know when hitler's birthday is :S
20:29:36 <hylje> one must know one's fhrer
20:29:38 <Bjarni> I read it when I read that it's a hoax
20:29:49 <Bjarni> otherwise I wouldn't have known
20:30:37 <SmatZ> the true is that "April 20th < April 22nd"
20:30:43 <fjb> The cousin of my father had the same birthday as Hitler.
20:31:11 <SmatZ> errr nothing! I didn't say anything!
20:31:14 <Gonozal_VIII> only very good teachers can predict future actions
20:31:59 <Gonozal_VIII> hello you guy who didn't say anything
20:34:16 <Bjarni> why am I following orders?
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20:35:39 <Gonozal_VIII> no autorejoin...
20:35:39 <Bjarni> is it that hard to reconnect?
20:36:36 <pavel1269> sometimes i'm having reconnecting problems :)
20:37:00 <pavel1269> guess some kind of bug
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20:43:35 <gege> dont you know guys there are any way to changing the ottd game scoring mechanism?
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20:44:42 <Gonozal_VIII> there's a patch somewhere in the forum afaik or you could write your own
20:45:21 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: why did you say "yes" twice?... and the first time even BEFORE the question was asked?
20:45:36 <Bjarni> are you some kind of super natural spiritual guy?
20:45:58 <Gonozal_VIII> that was lolcode, not japanese or something^^
20:46:16 <Bjarni> hai is Japanese for "yes"
20:46:49 <Bjarni> but it's usually written はい though
20:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i was already worried if i was the only person to see things twice...
20:49:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't see utf-8... but your lines were different
20:49:50 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarnis thing was longer
20:50:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> utf-8 may have different encodings for the same character
20:50:26 <ln-> "bjarnis thing was longer"... ...
20:50:49 * Bjarni starts to search for hidden cameras
20:51:13 <Bjarni> would even have to be x-ray cameras
20:51:50 <Bjarni> and I dress in a way that fits my personality
20:52:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> == pink plastic?
20:56:08 <pavel1269> SmatZ: tell them something at that toher channel! :D
20:58:16 <SmatZ> pavel1269: you are back already :)
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20:59:13 <pavel1269> good nick, right? :P
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21:04:43 <pavel1269> SmatZ: am i on that channel?
21:05:09 <pavel1269> i cant join it sais me that i am conencted and i can't send anything
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21:54:02 <Gonozal_VIII> why did everybody stop writing?
21:54:25 <Gonozal_VIII> write now! everybody!
21:58:57 <SmatZ> some concentration camp ?
21:59:15 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that's what i think too after a closer look
21:59:53 <ln-> kassel would be a bit too obvious an answer.
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22:05:53 <Gonozal_VIII> never heard of that...
22:07:13 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, google told me
22:09:10 <Gonozal_VIII> that wagon is in a very good condition for its age
22:11:02 <ln-> the railway under it is only a few hundred meters long (but contains 1 switch), and has been (re)built in the 90's
22:13:11 <Gonozal_VIII> some time ago i thought that if zombies would have overrun the earth and you would look for a save place to sleep and keep your stuff, a train would be a good idea
22:14:56 <Gonozal_VIII> depending on how fast/strong/intelligent the zombies are :-)
22:17:28 <Sogard> Airports seem like a cheezy way of getting rich.
22:18:11 <Gonozal_VIII> use grfs with more expensive aircraft
22:18:22 <Gonozal_VIII> higher purchase/running cost
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22:20:05 <Gonozal_VIII> but you don't have to build any tracks and think about paths or signals....
22:20:08 <Gonozal_VIII> planes are boring
22:21:37 <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes i attach heliports to stations in big cities to fly some tourists around but i hardly ever build airports
22:22:50 <Sogard> Yeah, I prefer trains over all.
22:22:52 <Sogard> They're just more fun.
22:24:56 <Gonozal_VIII> and some trucks/busses/trams inside towns that transfer to the station :-)
22:25:28 <Gonozal_VIII> and ships to cross water because i don't like long bridges...
22:28:23 <Digitalfox_> What's name of that movie with the mouse that wants to be a cook?
22:28:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i know the name but don't ask me to write it down...
22:30:36 <Digitalfox_> yeah i found it :)
22:33:30 <Gonozal_VIII> why did you need that?
22:38:29 <Digitalfox_> It's for my girlfriend sister
22:39:39 <Digitalfox_> And since it's no longer in movies theatres here in Portugal or in DVD yet, well...
22:46:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11671 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Fix: sometimes a vehicle was selected in the vehicle list when it was opened
22:49:40 <Gonozal_VIII> ah i see... first vehicle has a white square around it...
22:51:08 <Gonozal_VIII> was that on flyspray?
22:51:25 <SmatZ> I wonder nobody reported it
22:51:34 <SmatZ> it has been bothering me for ages :)
22:51:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i never noticed that
22:52:10 <SmatZ> probably that is the reason... but now you noticed it :-P
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23:16:13 <Gonozal_VIII> [00:02:12] *** roboboy has signed off IRC (Ping timeout: 480 seconds).
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23:16:56 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: roboboy was last seen in #openttd 13 hours, 32 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <roboboy> about a year
23:17:01 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: robotboy was last seen in #openttd 28 weeks, 5 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <robotboy> what version of .net does build ottd need?
23:17:06 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: roboman was last seen in #openttd 34 weeks, 6 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: * roboman remembers on Brianetta's Starndard when he went broke and had a cala wit a dock on it that weh deleted caused the city to be submerged
23:19:02 <Gonozal_VIII> first man then boy... his time is running backwards!
23:19:12 <Gonozal_VIII> next will be robobaby!
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23:31:16 <Brianetta> He tried roboman for a night
23:31:24 <Brianetta> but everybody told him off
23:31:30 <Brianetta> roboboy was better, we said
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23:41:50 <roboboy> although robobman is my last choice for nicknames on irc
23:55:53 <Gonozal_VIII> that seems to be a bug
23:56:28 <Gonozal_VIII> i left the game open where i tested that vehicle list thing...
23:56:42 <Gonozal_VIII> now it keeps scrolling left
23:58:15 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm pressed the left key and it stopped
23:59:53 <Gonozal_VIII> can't reproduce it
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