IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-09-25
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00:00:27 <Ailure> which have happened in a few network games of mine
00:01:05 <Sacro> Brianetta: i got my sparcstation! :D
00:01:58 <Sacro> the swedish keyboard is a proper sun one
00:02:03 <Sacro> and it has a sun optical mouse and mousemat
00:03:53 <Bjarni> great... I just noticed something. Last year some railroad tracks was replaced because they were in poor condition. Now there is a max 30 km/h due to poor condition.... wtf?
00:03:54 <Brianetta> but the Sparcstation rocks
00:05:52 <Sacro> Brianetta: it has an optical mosue though!
00:07:12 <Sacro> hmmm, it can take 512MB RAM
00:07:28 <Brianetta> Sacro: Yes. I hate those ones.
00:07:44 <Sacro> ooh NEXTSTEP looks good
00:19:33 <Ailure> there's Sparc with swedish keyboards?
00:19:48 <Ailure> I admit that's a type of computer I seriously been considering to have
00:20:09 <Sacro> Ailure: yes, it has a swedish keyboard
00:20:37 <Ailure> I probably would want to have a X86 based for like Windows games
00:20:45 <Ailure> and a SPARC workstation for everything else :P
00:21:26 <Ailure> I find myself preferring NIX-like operating systems more and more for each day I use them
00:21:44 <Ailure> so I don't feel as bound by the X86 platform
00:24:27 <Bjarni> hehe... some woman paid a company to find a job for her that matched her profile... something came up....
00:25:06 <Bjarni> I think that's a "money back" case
00:25:39 <Ailure> or the woman in question was a hermaphrodite
00:25:55 <Bjarni> also.... "professionally sperm donor". Is that really a profession?
00:26:17 <Bjarni> <Ailure> or the woman in question was a hermaphrodite <-- no... they just screwed up big time
00:26:47 <Bjarni> and still more weird than funny :P
00:26:47 <Sacro> but sit and fart in my duck
00:27:51 <Bjarni> Sacro makes no sense at all
00:28:03 <Ailure> every language seem to have a related language that tend to misinterpreted way off
00:28:07 <Ailure> like with swedish and turkish
00:28:24 <Bjarni> Swedish and Turkish???
00:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> how exactly are those "related"?
00:28:50 <Ailure> swedish and english are more closely related
00:28:54 <Bjarni> Ailure: are you contaminated with Sacro?
00:29:01 <Ailure> but it's was a short-timed fad to take turkish music videos
00:29:09 <Ailure> and then attach swedish interpetions
00:29:13 <Ailure> like with this "fart in a duck"
00:30:07 <Bjarni> I heard a commercial once on the radio. Some Swede went to Denmark to look for affairs... at least that's how the Dane heard it
00:30:50 <Bjarni> there is also the frokost<->fråkost timing
00:31:27 <Eddi|zuHause> can you eat that?
00:31:44 <Bjarni> one is lunch, the other is breakfast
00:31:58 <Bjarni> hence the timing remark
00:32:13 <Bjarni> sounds like the Swedes get up late
00:32:21 <Ailure> swedish for lunch is uhm
00:33:44 <Bjarni> last time I went deep into Sweden, I ran into a closed shop. It was closed due to "semester"... only Swedes would do nothing during semester :P
00:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "what time is it?" - "tuesday" - "not that specific, i just wanted to know summer or winter semester"
00:38:25 <Bjarni> <piro> well, irc is the realm of dictatorships, not democracy
00:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> close is not enough
00:40:08 *** Sacro was kicked by Bjarni (learn how to spell)
00:40:16 <Ailure> [02:33] <Bjarni> last time I went deep into Sweden, I ran into a closed shop. It was closed due to "semester"... only Swedes would do nothing during semester :P
00:40:40 <Ailure> the other way around confused me while learning english
00:42:04 <Eddi|zuHause> what does "semester" mean in sweden?
00:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "holiday" is a weird word also
00:44:24 <Bjarni> I mean... time to do nothing?
00:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> there is not much "holy" about most of those days
00:44:33 <Ailure> lots of time for openTTD :)
00:44:55 <Ailure> TtD is weird like that
00:44:59 <Ailure> I can get very bored at it
00:45:08 <Ailure> but after a few week i'm playing it obessivly again
00:45:09 <Bjarni> so... how many young people get drunk during their "holy days" these days?
00:45:26 <Ailure> I never gotten drunk myself so I dunno
00:45:48 <Ailure> but almost all of my clasmates in the gymansium got drunk each weekend
00:45:51 <Ailure> or at least, so it seemed
00:47:08 <Bjarni> hehe... just found a file called snowball.jpg on my HD. I didn't remember it so I opened it and it's some stranger making a snowball
00:47:27 <Bjarni> turned out that the scanner software installed it as an example file
00:47:28 <Ailure> hey, at least it could been lots worse
00:47:45 <Ailure> there's something called snowballing
00:47:49 <Ailure> i'm not gonna explain what it is
00:47:53 <Ailure> just google it if you're curious
00:47:55 <Bjarni> maybe I don't want to know :P
00:48:07 <Bjarni> considering you called it worse
00:48:53 <Bjarni> heh... reminds me of when I found sofia.jpg and didn't remember it either
00:49:05 <Bjarni> turned out to be the Dm3 called Sofia :)
00:49:41 <Bjarni> not to mention the road train driving in the town of Kathrine
00:50:08 <Ailure> never seen one of thoose
00:50:33 <Bjarni> They drive between Kiruna and Narvik, so it's not that many people, who have seen them
00:50:45 <Bjarni> they are nice engines though
00:51:01 <Bjarni> 35 meters and 286 tons
00:51:36 <Ailure> most trains I see are either RcX trains
00:51:49 <Ailure> and lately, also p$BiH(Bat$BiH(B
00:52:04 <Ailure> I remember seeing them in my childhood, but I hadn't started seeing them around here until last year oddly
00:52:18 <ln-> wtf p$Bih language is that?
00:52:50 <ln-> they didn't use dollar signs in swedish last time i was learning it.
00:52:56 <Ailure> I mean anything between RC1-RC6
00:53:04 <ln-> especially not in the middle of words.
00:53:13 <Ailure> that's encoding issue then
00:54:03 <ln-> kunde den vara utf-7 eller nånting sådant..
00:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of weird encoding is that?
00:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but utf-7 is more like "+abcxyz-" i thought
00:55:08 <Ailure> I suspect I'm just sending ANSI
00:55:21 <Ailure> and your client was expecting UTF-8 encoding or something
00:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that usually gives other results...
00:56:35 <ln-> jo, men den borde autodetektera latin-1 i alla fall.
00:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause> like chinese letters
00:56:50 <Ailure> maybe I need to upgrade my client
00:57:10 <Ailure> I'm using some old version of mIRC I hadn't gotten around upgrading
00:57:23 <Ailure> Thought I wouldn't mind switching to a more open source client similar to mIRC
00:58:25 <Ailure> it could be Windows-1252 too
00:59:07 <Ailure> there's lots of charcther encodings
00:59:11 <Ailure> usually variations on ANSI
00:59:18 <ln-> nej, windows-1252 är för det mesta densamma som latin-1.
00:59:44 <ln-> speciellt ä, ö, å har samma värden.
00:59:46 <Ailure> UTF-8 is same as ASCII for the first seven bits
01:00:01 <Ailure> well ok, ASCII is only seven bits ;)
01:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause> most of the time, windows-1252 texts are mislabeled as latin-1
01:00:32 <Ailure> and ANSI or any encoding related to it
01:00:36 <Ailure> is mislabelled as ASCII
01:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but there are only a handful of characters different
01:01:18 <Ailure> this is probably one of the strangest variations
01:01:35 <Ailure> apart from null, the control charcthers was replaced by silly symbols
01:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause> why is that silly?
01:03:03 <Ailure> You rarely see them honestly used :P
01:03:16 <Ailure> I only seen the smiley face used in the game ZZT and sometimes when hell breaks loose
01:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause> when viewing hex dumps they are far more useful than hearing "beep" all the time
01:03:39 <Ailure> I used to have fun with that
01:03:59 <Ailure> I made a looping batfile with the bell charcther being printed out constantly
01:04:20 <Ailure> On really oldschool computers, a bell would been ringing instead
01:04:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i know someone who kept sending that character to the printer :p
01:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> (which then also beeped)
01:05:06 <Ailure> Often it was used for "Ok i'm done, give me more input"
01:05:23 <Ailure> what kind of printer was that?
01:05:31 <Ailure> and if you're talking about the engine, it is :)
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01:05:41 <Bjarni> it's stuck with 16 2/3 Hz though
01:06:10 <Bjarni> they managed to get X2000 to drive to Copenhagen, hence they can drive on 50 Hz
01:06:32 <Ailure> if that Swedish trainset was ever done D:
01:06:34 <ln-> did they manage to drive it back to sweden?
01:06:48 <Ailure> I want to play with Rc
01:07:01 <Bjarni> I got one in my drawer
01:07:01 <Ailure> when did they try that?
01:07:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Ailure: i think CP437 was the default in DOS
01:07:16 <Bjarni> I need to fix it though
01:07:24 <Bjarni> can't drive at the moment
01:07:43 <Bjarni> a "friend" of mine wrecked it
01:08:05 <Bjarni> <Ailure> when did they try that? <-- every day. It's in the schedule
01:08:26 <Bjarni> they also has both Danish and Swedish ATC
01:08:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and if someone switched to 850, you got all weird characters instead of box borders
01:08:31 <Ailure> I never travelled with X2000
01:08:36 <Ailure> so I hadn't paid much attention to it's schedule
01:08:42 <ln-> Bjarni: what planes is SAS using between Copenhagen and Turku at the moment?
01:08:48 <Ailure> since it's more expensive than the regular trains
01:09:07 <Bjarni> ln-: I have no idea, but it's not Dash-8 Q 400
01:09:28 <Bjarni> they grounded all of them until they are fully aware of what's going on with them
01:10:05 <Bjarni> and some expert went on TV today and told them to discard all of them if they want to save their image
01:10:25 <Bjarni> Bombadier has a really bad case in this :s
01:10:48 <ln-> i've flown with one once... it survived.
01:10:57 <Ailure> the aircraft with high crash rate
01:11:20 <ln-> but why the hell are they "all" suddenly breaking up within few weeks, even outside SAS?
01:14:41 <Ailure> most, if not all go through where I live
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01:17:20 <Ailure> no wonder I couldn't recnoize it
01:17:44 <Bjarni> so it's Germany on the top, you are to the left and so on
01:18:06 <Ailure> H$BgT(Bsleholm should be on that mpa even
01:18:14 <Ailure> the rightmost green line
01:18:19 <Ailure> or leftmost in this upside down map
01:18:21 <Bjarni> you really should fix your encoding
01:18:24 <Ailure> is the line going through my town
01:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> must be an australian map manufacturer :p
01:18:59 <Bjarni> H$BgT(Bsleholm <--- I sort of can read that, but it's still annoying
01:19:18 <Ailure> the building I live and study in
01:19:22 <Ailure> is called "Norra station"
01:19:32 <Ailure> but ironically, it have nothing to do with trains, apart from being next to a train station
01:19:45 <Ailure> It's mostly IT education here
01:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> there are entire villages here that are called like "XYZ Station"
01:20:31 <Bjarni> I have a desktop image of Nora Station from Sweden
01:21:19 <Bjarni> well, I have a bunch of images and it selects a random one every 30th minute
01:21:20 <Ailure> Can you upload it somewhere haha
01:21:40 <Ailure> it might be totally unrelated
01:21:49 <Ailure> since there might be more than one place with that nae
01:23:25 <Ailure> can tell right away :)
01:23:31 <Ailure> there's no lake nearby
01:23:55 <ln-> zomfg, a the-kind-of-dmu-that-were-also-in-use-in-finland.
01:23:56 <Bjarni> but your place has more buildings around it
01:24:16 <Ailure> but I'm quite sure this line here been electrified for a really long time now
01:24:36 <Ailure> so that would count it out too
01:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause> where is the "M" part of "DMU" there?
01:24:41 <Ailure> it looks like it was taken in the 80's
01:24:58 <Ailure> it's more of a railcar
01:25:04 <Ailure> or whatever they were called
01:25:13 <Bjarni> that type of DMU... when the Swedish shortlines closed 50 years ago, a lot of Danish lines closed too. To avoid closure, one railroad went gravedigging in Sweden and got some of those DMUs
01:25:32 <Bjarni> other railroads considered that to be a good idea and more went to Sweden to get them since they are actually pretty good
01:27:00 <Bjarni> goodnight (or what's left of it)
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11:40:14 <SpComb> "Landscape: Toyland ;-0"
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13:29:14 <SpComb> Rule #1 of adding copyright/license headers to your code: make sure you have the newest version of the code in svn, for you WILL corrupt your code
13:30:21 <SpComb> in my case, for f in {daemon,openttd}/*.py_ web/web/*/*.py_; do echo cat license-header $f > $f; done;
13:30:35 <SpComb> forgot to escape the > after I added the echo at the start
13:31:31 <SpComb> and the sudden presence of a file called *.py in daemon/ didn't help things
13:32:29 <SpComb> cat foo bar > foo doesn't work, cat complains that the input and output files are the same, so you have to cat it out to foo_, and them mv foo_ back to foo
13:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> usually, you just end up with empty files...
13:43:32 <SpComb> or you have the license header twice in each file
13:43:53 <SpComb> or you notice that you misplaced one of the comment marks, and now all the files have a syntax error in them
13:47:09 <Belugas> anyone can draw me a pile of credit cards on a 16x16 pic?
13:47:28 <Belugas> i really suck at drawing :P
13:52:17 * boekabart takes out his pile of credit cards and makes a picture with his phone
13:52:28 <boekabart> that's about 16x16 :)
13:56:08 <SpComb> 256 pixels? That's a lot that you're asking for, you know
14:16:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11159 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix (r11155): restore the ability to save in a non existing file
14:18:19 <glx> only windows was affected
14:19:51 <DorpsGek> glx: Commit by rubidium :: r11155 trunk/src/fileio.cpp (2007-09-24 19:15:42 UTC)
14:20:34 <Amix> Glx: morphos couldnt save neither without the save dir
14:21:28 <glx> only morphos has this problem I think, on other platforms the save dir is created on start if it doesn't exist
14:24:13 <Amix> You should port openttd to Aros
14:27:05 <nzvip> Because I was referring to the old one.
14:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> don't get religious
14:29:26 <nzvip> I use nano, because... I dunno.
14:29:36 <nzvip> I guess because it isn't crazy.
14:30:16 <nzvip> :P I regularly use gedit.
14:35:40 <Belugas> I use a client that fits my needs ^_^
14:36:44 <hylje> .. we're talking about text editors
14:38:15 <Belugas> i use Notepad2 because i like the syntax highlights, i use Delphi EDI for the block manipulations and... i use test editors that fit my needs
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14:41:31 <boekabart> does anyone have a build of GRFMaker (from latest svn) ?
14:41:42 * boekabart doesn't have Delphi
14:42:04 <boekabart> Belugas: I would love that
14:42:06 <Belugas> give me a few moments
14:42:14 <boekabart> I suppose you have the svn url?
14:42:15 <Belugas> what do yo need it for?
14:42:40 <boekabart> (I want to see if I can help the dutch train set project)
14:42:58 <Belugas> you're aware that it is highly experimental, for a stat
14:43:21 <Belugas> and that you will require the .lst file dutch tram is buil on
14:43:21 <boekabart> well, Purno was using it, and Hyr. too
14:43:35 <boekabart> Belugas: Purno gave me all that
14:43:47 <Belugas> they used the OLD one, not the one we're working on
14:43:50 <boekabart> plus it's all in the same SVN as GRFMaker too ;)
14:43:56 <nzvip> Let him has his fun, Belugas.
14:44:01 <nzvip> What's the worst that could happen?
14:44:07 <nzvip> That his computer crashes and burns?
14:44:11 <boekabart> well - 3.03 is fine for me
14:44:18 <nzvip> Even Vista haven't done *that* yet.
14:44:19 <boekabart> nzvip: Delphi can DO THAT?
15:05:09 * Belugas is not happy at all with his icon, but it will do the job
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15:11:33 <boekabart> Belugas: ---------------------------
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15:11:46 <boekabart> what me does wrong? ;)
15:11:55 <boekabart> (on GRF->Create GRF)
15:17:27 <Belugas> not in the position to debug fun@work whikle do9ng work@work
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15:39:26 <Iasjida> hey, its possible to avoid trains killing roadvehicles in openttd? =[
15:39:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> build bridges ;)
15:40:05 <boekabart> or tunnels. That's the only way
15:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> other option would be to provide a diff that introduces such a cheat
15:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> (cheats are automatically disabled in multiplayer)
15:41:00 <boekabart> what, disable the collision detection?
15:41:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, just let them break down instead of crash, or something...
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15:46:16 <Iasjida> or do like ttdpatch: With Disasters OFF, trains cant kill roadvehicles
15:46:48 <SpComb> or disable road vehicles
15:47:03 <Belugas> trains killing roadvehicles are considered as disasters?
15:47:57 <Progman> Belugas: it isn't where you live? ;)
15:47:59 <Iasjida> if you disable disasters, trains pass through roadvehicles
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15:49:00 <Iasjida> in a city with a lot of roadvehicles its impossible to use trains
15:49:33 <Iasjida> they kill all buses in 5 minutes
15:50:23 <hylje> i call that solving the problem naturally
15:50:38 <DaleStan> Iasjida, Belugas: No. Train/RV crashes are not disasters in TTDPatch. They're controlled by newrvcrash
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15:54:05 <Iasjida> so, a new option like TRAINS CAN KILL ROADVEHICLES? ON or OFF solve the problem
15:54:10 <Belugas> would make no sens at all...
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15:55:14 <Iasjida> or a really good system that STOPS the buses when they are about to cross a railway
15:56:09 <Belugas> where would be the fun at designing a good system if we temper you from accidents?
15:56:18 <Iasjida> but with that and maglev trains the roadvehicles dies anyway xD
15:56:26 <Belugas> and when to think people are crying for realism...
15:57:05 <Iasjida> simple: you like realism? TRAINS CAN KILL ROADVEHICLES ON
15:57:14 <Iasjida> you DONT like realism? TRAINS CAN KILL ROADVEHICLES OFF
15:57:25 <skidd13> Hmm, I think it is better placed at the cheats
15:57:49 <hylje> if you have anything more than occassional traffic on either the road or the rail
15:58:03 <Iasjida> or place at cheats, wherever...
15:58:37 <Iasjida> but i cant do tunnels/bridges in ALL the city
15:59:04 <Iasjida> my english sucks, i know xD
15:59:17 * Belugas does not feel a urge at that cheat
15:59:43 <skidd13> Iasjida: Someone has written something to prevent crashes. IIRC it was mart3p. But I'm not sure, seach the forums.
15:59:44 <skidd13> And with autoslope and enough planted trees every rail can be bridged :P
16:01:28 <Iasjida> but why bridge every rail if i can only turn on or off a single option/cheat? xD
16:02:11 <Iasjida> and a lot of cities with 50k people are not so easy to do bridges |=
16:02:54 <glx> you just need 1 bridge, then add a very high penalty for crossings
16:03:14 <skidd13> Why playing a game that do NOT challenge you?
16:03:16 <hylje> also, is anybody looking at arbitrary bridgeheads now?
16:03:41 <Iasjida> "very high penalty for crossings"
16:05:03 <glx> in openttd.cfg: npf_crossing_penalty for NPF, road_crossing_penalty for YAPF
16:08:47 <Iasjida> road_crossing_penalty = 300
16:09:53 <glx> 1000000 <-- this is the max
16:10:05 <glx> but 3000 should already make a difference
16:10:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Belugas> i agree with skidd13 <- hey, i said that first...
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16:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> Iasjida: note that changing these values only affect new games
16:11:56 <glx> and /me was typing the instructions to change it in running game
16:12:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> through console i assume
16:12:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, if he really cares, he will be back :p
16:13:17 <glx> saying "hey that doesn't work" ;)
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17:07:43 <Bjarni> let's see if his client works better now
17:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> you're feeling x
17:09:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> experimental today?
17:11:25 * Rubidium knows something else that would be very experimental for Bjarni ;)
17:12:02 <Bjarni> but I still wouldn't start smoking :P
17:14:18 <Rubidium> Bjarni: was thinking about something more useful for this community
17:15:25 <Bjarni> Rubidium: I know what you mean... however I'm pretty tired right now :(
17:19:05 <Bjarni> looks like the unbanning didn't result in spam... at least not right away
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18:06:44 <[Surge]> Mark: Can you take a look in the other game when you get a chance? Thanks.
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20:14:25 <ment> may I have a question? how to add new packet type for client with two u32 fields in some portable way?
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20:18:08 <Belugas> are you talking of network operations? for ottd?
20:19:54 <ment> sending struct { unsigned long } over network is not a good idea i think
20:28:05 <ment> because sizeof(unsigned long) differs on 64bit machines and I'm not sure about uint64_t on MSVC
20:28:37 <glx> we only send bytes over the network
20:31:20 <ment> ah, I see, there are NetworkRecv_uint* functions
20:38:23 <Bjarni> ment: are we allowed to know what you are trying to make? :)
20:40:20 <ment> I'm trying to implement something like SCROLL_AT packet type to force client to scroll at certain positions
20:40:59 <Bjarni> so one client can tell another client to scroll to a certain tile?
20:41:17 <glx> ment: nice when you are building something
20:41:39 <ment> nope, the server tells the client, I'm modifying openttd to act as screensaver
20:41:57 <ment> it will be neat in lab with 20 computers in a row
20:42:10 <Bjarni> what if client A is building something and client B use this feature just before client A click to build? Wouldn't Client A then build the "something" at another location?
20:42:26 <ment> the server will also have a mapping ip <-> position in map
20:42:29 <glx> ment: make it work only for spectators
20:43:32 <Progman> ment: I'm not sure about network stuff but doesn't have the Cmd*-Handlers already got a TileIndex parameter for this?
20:43:38 <Bjarni> what if it could open a viewport on the other clients using the same company?
20:44:47 <Bjarni> DoCommandP() sends a TileIndex and 64 bits of parameters
20:45:20 <Bjarni> I wondered about this, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea
20:45:37 <Bjarni> commands are meant to do stuff in the game like building stuff
20:46:52 <Bjarni> also couldn't this be abused :/
20:47:13 <Progman> it all depends on ment idea what acually to do ;)
20:47:14 <Bjarni> like some player joins a game and uses this over and over
20:48:15 <ment> I'm trying to convince OpenTTD to act as screensaver
20:49:33 <ment> and I need to force clients too focus on certain position to reproduce train-moving-to-next-computer effect
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21:36:31 <Amixwoktest> i cant join the server in latest nightlybuild
21:37:06 <Amixwoktest> could not load savegame it says
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22:02:33 <Bjarni> I mean it would matter if you have to pay to get it to your place
22:03:42 <Bjarni> bahh.. found the article... still can't read it :P
22:04:05 <ln-> it's not an offer, it's the the actual price that was eventually paid for it.
22:04:50 <Bjarni> see, I didn't understand the text :P
22:05:05 <Bjarni> speaking of Finnish, I met a guy named Valle
22:05:35 <Bjarni> named after some skiing guy... he has no Finnish relatives o_O
22:06:33 <Amixwoktest> i forgot to add autosave dir inside save dir
22:07:07 <glx> Amixwoktest: I though about that ;)
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22:14:48 <Amixwoktest> glx: i dont know how dirs are created in amigaos
22:15:11 <Amixwoktest> i just know that amigaos is pretty different to lots of other operating systems
22:15:19 <Bjarni> why should we care? It's MorphOS that we support ;)
22:15:40 <Amixwoktest> a good example is the project to bring Firefox to morphos. its a hopeless battle ;p
22:15:57 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: morphos and amigaos is pretty much the same
22:16:25 <Bjarni> ok, then tell me why OpenTTD is ported to MorphOS, but not AmigaOS
22:16:27 <Amixwoktest> SFS is the filesystem most use. Not Fat32, NTFS etc
22:16:48 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: different exec etc
22:17:07 <Amixwoktest> shouldnt be a problem supporting AmigaOS at all
22:17:44 <Bjarni> instead of hacking every single app to deal with directories in the Amiga way, wouldn't it be better to make MorphOS allow POSIX directory creation?
22:18:29 <Bjarni> I mean... it would make porting a lot easier and faster
22:18:41 <Bjarni> and easier and faster porting would result in more software
22:18:51 <Amixwoktest> tell the coders of morphos that
22:18:53 <glx> Amixwoktest: when running 'openttd -d misc4' do you get some "...added as search path" lines ?
22:18:55 <Amixwoktest> i am no developer
22:19:42 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> tell the coders of morphos that <-- you have a better chance of reaching them
22:19:58 <Bjarni> for all I know, we could discontinue support for MorphOS and it would still work for me :P
22:20:27 <Amixwoktest> morphos is pretty closed
22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> Enter:Games2/OpenTTD-nightly> openttd -d misc4
22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> dbg: [misc] Scanning for tars
22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> dbg: [misc] Scan complete, found 0 files
22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> dbg: [misc] Enter:Games2/OpenTTD-nightly/ added as search path
22:21:45 <Amixwoktest> dbg: [misc] Enter:Games2/OpenTTD-nightly/ found as personal directory
22:22:27 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i am very happy that you support MorphOS version.
22:22:36 <Amixwoktest> I love it! Continue with it :)
22:22:48 <glx> ok so it should create dirs at the end of the function printing that
22:23:39 <Amixwoktest> in morphos it starts the app then
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22:25:37 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i am very happy that you support MorphOS version. <-- I don't mind supporting it, but I'm at a loss on how to solve issues like this
22:27:25 <Amixwoktest> it looks like this ;)
22:27:39 <ln-> jpg is not the format for screenshots.
22:27:46 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: they arent important
22:28:11 <Bjarni> crashes aren't important?
22:28:41 <Amixwoktest> but if the nightly builds came with save and savegame dir etc
22:28:58 <Amixwoktest> that would be nice
22:29:07 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: make a bug report and add the output as a plain text file... always nicer to look at than a jpg
22:29:10 <glx> it should create it, so we won't change all makefile stuff just for that
22:29:13 <Bjarni> also you can copy paste if needed
22:29:44 <Amixwoktest> i havent registered ;p
22:30:01 <Bjarni> we don't have a fee for opening new accounts
22:30:13 <Amixwoktest> morphos users are a bit like osx users. gui lovers ;)
22:30:27 <Bjarni> I prefer the terminal :P
22:30:41 <Bjarni> I guess the "Think different" fits me
22:30:50 <glx> Bjarni is an OSX user with a linux mind ;)
22:31:06 <Bjarni> but not in the way Apple intended when they made that slogan
22:31:55 <Bjarni> actually sometimes I prefer the terminal, sometimes the GUI... it really depends on the task I want to do
22:32:17 <Bjarni> so sometimes I switch back and forth really often
22:32:19 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: hehe.. i love shell in mos.. so i use both. but in osx and linux.. well, i dont like the way command lines are made
22:33:22 <Bjarni> cp bin/data/tr*grf ../new_checkout/bin/data/ <-- try making that faster in GUI :P
22:34:00 <Bjarni> it's not needed to do this anymore since now it can just be placed in Documents/OpenTTD/data, but before it could be placed there, it was a line I used once in a while
22:34:09 <Amixwoktest> for a great coder as you are, i bet its better, but for me which works a lot with video and graphics stuff
22:34:23 <Amixwoktest> i am bound to a os that is fast
22:34:49 <Bjarni> make your account and verify that you get the confirmation mail
22:35:17 <glx> Bjarni: why cp them in new_checkout?
22:35:18 <Bjarni> or tell me if you fail to get it (the confirmation mailing thingie could be more stable than it is)
22:35:37 <Amixwoktest> if i use osx, windows, os/2 or any other os in lets say 3-4 weeks without using morphos. when getting back to morphos. now thats adrenaline ;) mos is really a fast OS.
22:35:57 * glx should backread better before replying ;)
22:36:05 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i have registered now. waiting for mail now :)
22:36:32 <Bjarni> make better questions to make it worth my time :P
22:36:47 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i am good at finding bugs.
22:37:07 <Amixwoktest> i already betatest WirelessIRC for Symbian.
22:37:23 <Amixwoktest> its one of the best irc clients now for a mobile device
22:37:57 <Bjarni> what nick did you select?
22:38:27 <Amixwoktest> i am betatesting Wookiechat aswell for morphos ;p
22:38:50 <Amixwoktest> your confirmation code has been sent
22:39:43 <Bjarni> PM me your data and I will create an account for you
22:42:58 <Amixwoktest> haha, your from Denmark ;)
22:43:25 <Bjarni> and I fail to see the haha part
22:43:57 <Bjarni> Sacro: shut up. You are from Hull... it beats everything
22:44:52 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: and you are from the rebellious province of Norway
22:45:26 <Amixwoktest> live in norway, born in poland
22:45:30 <ln-> Sacro: which one is your favourite turtle?
22:45:54 <ln-> Bjarni: see, he didn't consider it an odd question.
22:46:07 <Sacro> though michealangelo was cool
22:46:19 <Bjarni> that's because everything around Sacro is odd, so he can't tell the difference
22:46:29 <Bjarni> and wtf are you talking about
22:46:41 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> live in norway, born in poland <-- they still make those?
22:46:47 <glx> michelangelo is the best for me
22:47:03 <ln-> seems like everyone but Bjarni knows something. :)
22:47:08 <Bjarni> those pizza eating thingies
22:47:15 <Bjarni> thought they were silly
22:48:17 <Amixwoktest> how to turn debug on?
22:48:27 <Bjarni> how can it be that you live in Norway?
22:48:49 <Bjarni> Poland is in need of labour, so are you afraid of working?
22:49:41 <Bjarni> browsing porn in a MorphOS browser is not considered work by western standard
22:51:15 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: are you aware that hentai means pervert and is actually not a word that Japanese people would use about those images?
22:51:48 <Amixwoktest> hentai is pervert/porn
22:52:15 <Bjarni> maybe so, but it's still not one of the words that Japanese people use about it
22:52:47 <Amixwoktest> then you know more about that subject than me
22:53:26 <Bjarni> according to people in here and elsewhere... I seem to know stuff
22:54:12 <Bjarni> Sacro: for once they actually told what's going on.... usually it's some hidden code with just the text
22:54:13 <Amixwoktest> i am pretty much into anime
22:54:18 <Amixwoktest> or japaneese cartoons
22:55:35 <Amixwoktest> anime is anime for us outside of japan
22:55:46 <Amixwoktest> hentai for us is porn
22:56:02 <Bjarni> correction: I'm outside Japan :P
22:56:19 <Amixwoktest> for japaneese people, anime means a cartoon.
22:56:21 <Bjarni> even though it appears that I'm not in the group you mention
22:56:27 <Amixwoktest> a disney cartoon is anime to them
22:58:19 <Bjarni> then where do manga fit in?
22:59:44 <Bjarni> I asked where it fits in for Amixwoktest
23:00:37 <Amixwoktest> anime is rather cartoon
23:01:12 <Bjarni> so you fancy manga as well?
23:02:51 <Amixwoktest> typical difference from american and japaneese cartoons etc is that the endings of anime serier rather ends sad or that it dosent in a good way like in hollywood land. anime have everything from drama to comedy, from action to adventure. there are hundreds of anime series created in japan every year.
23:03:31 <Bjarni> I asked if you like them, not what it is
23:03:42 <Bjarni> I wouldn't ask something where I already know the answer :P
23:03:50 <Bjarni> then how about shoujo manga?
23:04:00 <Ailure> I like how they're diffrent from western cartoon and stuff
23:04:00 <Amixwoktest> i watch anime, but i dont read manga
23:04:08 <Ailure> but they also have a overly tendancy to use cliche elements
23:04:17 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i dont know much about manga, sorry
23:04:28 <Bjarni> dammit.... you didn't fell for it
23:05:12 <Bjarni> shoujo means girl, so I hoped to have caught you in an embarrassing answer :P
23:05:55 <Amixwoktest> i know there are mangas for kids, younger people, gays.. and offcourse for perverts ;) but japan have a different lifestyle, so kids are used to watch blood and violence from age of 5 etc
23:06:42 <Amixwoktest> One Piece is full of violence and blood.. but it just add nice things to a great adventure anime
23:07:01 <Amixwoktest> in usa etc, they have censored guns, sigarettes and more
23:07:58 <Amixwoktest> Guns is replaced with softguns, guns is replaced with lollipops and blood is offcourse taken away ;)
23:08:11 <Bjarni> I think vaginas are generally a no-no in children stories all over the world
23:08:33 <Amixwoktest> i need to sleep soon
23:08:50 <Bjarni> I was about to say something about Norwegian spelling, but decided not to
23:09:59 <Amixwoktest> bigfoot, which is one of the main coders of morphos is danish
23:10:27 <Amixwoktest> he ported Quake III for mos etc ;)
23:10:32 <Bjarni> however I do know that freeciv was made in Århus
23:10:43 <Bjarni> by some guys, who could beat everybody in it
23:14:35 <Amixwoktest> never got into that game
23:14:35 <Amixwoktest> i love playing Super Stardust HD for PS3 though :)
23:15:31 * Bjarni just realised something
23:16:05 <Bjarni> for the record: I don't spent ages on anime and manga even though it may look like that based on what I said before
23:16:17 <Bjarni> in fact I never even read a single manga
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23:17:23 <Bjarni> and I'm pretty sure Amixwoktest has seen a whole lot more anime
23:18:07 <ment> and you can stop watching it whenever you want
23:18:10 <Amixwoktest> but not that much
23:18:25 <Amixwoktest> i am mostly into morphos stuff
23:18:35 <Amixwoktest> been amiga user since 1988 ;p
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23:20:43 <Bjarni> I had an amiga around that time as well
23:20:58 <Bjarni> not really used anymore
23:21:07 <Bjarni> as odd as it may sound, the C64 is used more
23:22:34 <Bjarni> found a new description for Sacro
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23:22:59 <Bjarni> Sacro: I found a new description of you
23:23:06 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i was pretty glad, when i saw openttd got ported to morphos. it was actually me telling tokai about it. i dont know if he ported it because of me or not. but openttd have given a amigaos alike os like morphos some nostalgic traumata memmories. ;P
23:23:23 * Bjarni imagines Sacro spending a great deal of time trying to figure out what it means
23:23:56 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: I think I recall him talking about porting it by request, but I'm not sure
23:24:38 <Amixwoktest> well. Transport Tycoon Deluxe never got released for AmigaOS
23:24:57 <Amixwoktest> SimCity 2000 came though, but was a terrible bad macos port.
23:25:11 <Sacro> Bjarni: i am not narrow minded
23:25:20 <Bjarni> there is a version of Transport Tycoon for MacOS though
23:25:30 <Bjarni> Sacro: wtf... how did you figure that out so quickly???
23:25:42 <Bjarni> and you just proved me wrong by figuring it out
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23:27:44 <Bjarni> now I know how to write it in kanji and hiragana, so it's not a total loss
23:28:49 <Bjarni> actually it's a really nice page
23:29:03 <Bjarni> but... who would create an anime dictionary???
23:32:00 <Bjarni> btw searching for online dictionaries helped me once.... otherwise I would have no way of communicating with the Polish work crew digging up the road
23:32:26 <Amixwoktest> what are you working with?
23:32:31 <Bjarni> my vocabulary in Polish is rather limited
23:33:02 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> what are you working with? <-- they digged a hole for the power cables and they blocked our access to the road
23:33:10 <Bjarni> so it was not job related
23:34:40 <Bjarni> anyway they dug up the driveway and after the power cables were put down, they tried to rebuild it
23:35:02 <Bjarni> and as luck would have it, our driveway turned out to be really hard to repair (we knew that)
23:36:16 <Bjarni> actually I kind of felt sorry for them. Working in a strange country and totally unable to talk to the local population
23:36:51 <Bjarni> even though digging up the road and blocking driveways would indicate that communication could help
23:37:34 <ment> do you think it's good idea to add new _game_mode or mess with this in general?
23:37:58 <Bjarni> I like the Polish lorry driver, who asked for directions and when nobody understood him, his solution was to yell louder, but still in Polish
23:38:33 <Bjarni> we took an estimated guess and pointed to a place where he could turn the lorry (dead end street)
23:40:24 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni:i work for a research company
23:40:59 <Amixwoktest> in 2 years, i will have my own tv station
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23:42:50 <Amixwoktest> for Norway atleast
23:42:56 <Amixwoktest> maybe for Scandinavia later on
23:43:46 <Bjarni> how will you transmit this?
23:44:10 <Amixwoktest> ASTRA and cabletv
23:44:26 <Bjarni> because then I can't watch it
23:44:48 <ln-> Amixwoktest: but it won't be FTA?
23:44:56 <Bjarni> even the analogue receiver died
23:45:27 <Bjarni> <Amixwoktest> what is DVB-T? <-- it's radio waves like normal TV signals, except it's MPEG encoded and digital transmitted
23:45:44 <Amixwoktest> in norway they use mp4
23:46:05 <ln-> anyone not using at least one TLA per line shall be kicked.
23:46:13 <Bjarni> isn't mp4 a variation of MPEG ;)
23:46:13 <glx> in France mp4 is used for HD content
23:46:17 <Amixwoktest> but i will learn a lot about this, so ask me again in february next year
23:46:43 <Amixwoktest> i am more into making logos, desiging promotions etc
23:46:53 <Amixwoktest> marketing of the channel etc
23:46:58 <Amixwoktest> and ceo offcourse
23:47:13 <Amixwoktest> we will be a team of 10 people in the end
23:47:16 <Bjarni> Amixwoktest: let's make a deal... you support DVB-T in this area and we will continue to support MorphOS
23:47:17 <glx> but HD tvs only understand mpeg2 when they can receive DVB-T
23:48:10 <Bjarni> and to be fair, we will charge the same for each other's services ;)
23:48:16 <Amixwoktest> this is our newest channel
23:48:26 <Amixwoktest> started up 8th of September ;p
23:48:52 <Amixwoktest> Bjarni: i can put .. support OpenTTD team sponsor add before every show.. ;)
23:49:36 <Bjarni> but how would we benefit from that?
23:49:39 <Amixwoktest> channel will have computer related programs aswell
23:50:10 <Bjarni> the channel looks nice
23:50:13 <nzvip> Bjarni: "I landet uden b."
23:50:25 <Bjarni> isn't it something we have seen before
23:50:45 <Bjarni> simpsons, star trek, seinfeld, stargate, cops...
23:50:45 <Amixwoktest> sci-fi, drama, action, anime, computing programs, music programs etc. Will broadcast everyday from 14.00CET to 04.00CET and 08.25CET to 04.00CET in weekends and hollidays :)
23:51:48 <Amixwoktest> and its not Viasat4 ;P
23:51:58 <Amixwoktest> i have nothing to do with V4
23:52:10 <nzvip> Are you a product placement?
23:52:41 <Bjarni> we just highjacked him to advertive OpenTTD
23:53:09 <Amixwoktest> we will see. it all happends 10th of September 2009
23:53:15 <Amixwoktest> with full start in 2010
23:53:30 <Amixwoktest> i hope to get lots interested people onto the project
23:53:44 <Amixwoktest> going to course now about how running all this
23:53:45 <nzvip> Don't get people interested too early.
23:53:58 <ment> hah, scrolling working, screensaver mode working
23:53:59 <Bjarni> like in this channel right now
23:54:01 <nzvip> Cause then their excitement will die down in time.
23:54:25 <Amixwoktest> we will start small
23:54:36 <Amixwoktest> first meeting on thursday infact ;)
23:55:10 <Bjarni> the "donate now and the steam locomotive will drive in 5 years" plan didn't work out very well
23:55:24 <Bjarni> in fact nobody knows when it will drive
23:56:01 <Bjarni> I guess you can run into the same thing... too far into the future for people to even care right now
23:56:26 <Bjarni> 2009... we will not have analogue channels in the air at that time and then DVB-T will have taken over completely
23:56:35 <Bjarni> which means... way more channels
23:56:51 <Amixwoktest> some design ideas
23:56:52 <ln-> analogue transmissions have already ended in finland.
23:58:01 <Amixwoktest> tv channel will be distributed thru ASTRA
23:58:12 <Amixwoktest> and thru cable networks here in norway
23:58:25 <Bjarni> DVB-T is awesome because it's a sfn (single frequency network), meaning that the same channel has the same frequency all over the country without any overlapping problems and every carrier wave can handle up to 5 channels, so we will have bandwidth for.... most likely way more channels than we can get
23:58:25 <Amixwoktest> with a potential of 50% coverage at start
23:59:01 <Bjarni> I like this channel better and better
23:59:04 <ln-> some people were left without DVB-T coverage over here, they might get it during this year.
23:59:18 <Amixwoktest> reason for it taking 2 years is norwegian goverment
23:59:43 <Amixwoktest> takes 2 years for them to look over if my channel will be alowed to broadcast in norway
23:59:48 <ln-> so some people over here cannot watch tv at all, atm, unless they buy a satellite dish.
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