IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-08-05
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00:02:42 <RichK67> state machine was actually moving and reserving exactly as it was instructed... problem was its reading the instructions wrong... but it works ok here...
00:03:37 <Rubidium> though the "only one aircraft per airport" remains
00:04:17 <RichK67> what is "only one per airport"?
00:04:45 <Rubidium> that I can only have one aircraft on an airport, unless the aircraft goes into the depot, then a second one can land
00:06:04 <RichK67> block 44 or 40 must be staying locked... doesnt make sense... ok, depot clearing it does, since that has clearing code
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00:10:07 <Rubidium> RichK67: I've committed some stuff, but CIA is sucky
00:11:55 <Rubidium> v[01]: 00000000000100040000000000000002, s[01]: 00000000000100040000000000000002
00:12:10 <Rubidium> that's the state after it leaves the terminal
00:13:52 <RichK67> i dont see i have anything that matches with a bit that high
00:14:54 <Rubidium> 00000000000100100000000000000000
00:14:54 <Rubidium> 00000000000000010000000000000000
00:15:08 <Rubidium> first is what the aircraft has, second is what it has to release
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00:17:38 <RichK67> i think its ReadBlocksInto still... check what blocks are getting returned... this doesnt make any sense to me at all
00:22:32 <RichK67> Rubidium: in order to save airport_flags, now it is a blockmap struct, how do i do it? the member vars are private and cant be referenced directly, and the .GetLower() function wont work in the saveload code
00:23:06 <RichK67> as in: SLE_CONDVAR(Station, airport_flags.GetLower(), SLE_UINT64, SL_FSMPORTS_VSN, SL_MAX_VERSION),
00:23:23 <Rubidium> RichK67: look at cargopackets
00:26:11 <RichK67> doesnt seem to help... CP saveload structure is just basic vars, not substructures
00:29:43 <Rubidium> well, CargoList's List (which is private) is hackishly made non-private for saveloading
00:32:12 <RichK67> your new code in ReadBlocksInto, isnt translating correctly
00:32:48 <RichK67> the error is the block in position 0x10, which is the Flying/go for landing step
00:34:21 <RichK67> 7E 44 40 7F should produce: 00....0011
00:41:49 <Rubidium> anyway, time for me to go to sleep
00:42:18 <RichK67> yeah, im shattered too
00:44:11 <Rubidium> oh, now I remember why the thing worked in MSVC
00:44:29 <Rubidium> it probably zeros the memory when in debug
00:44:55 <RichK67> and in release too... worked fine there too
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01:46:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10791 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Modified rb_airport2.grf to use MeusH minipic of commuter airport. Corrected fences of orientation 03.
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03:10:18 <Gekko> I wonder how many devs use a pirated version of MSVC.
03:10:52 <hylje> from the commit devs i doubt any do
03:16:06 <ln-> I wonder how many devs use a pirated version of TTD.
03:16:38 <hylje> given the artificial scarcity of TTD, i'd suppose several
03:17:57 <ThePizzaKing> $19 from KMart :D
03:18:42 <ThePizzaKing> only if it's said with an American accent ;)
03:18:45 <Gekko> KMart in Australia isn't the KMart in the US.
03:20:05 <ThePizzaKing> And my Dad said it was a waste of money
03:21:30 <ThePizzaKing> CIA's back, better stop talking about pirated stuff ;)
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07:18:07 <SpComb> I've even played a game of OpenTTD here
07:19:01 * SpComb tries not to fall asleep
07:20:50 <SpComb> I've barely slept 12 hours during the thursday-now period
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07:57:50 <ThePizzaKing> hmm, That was meant to be /topic
07:59:20 <Gekko> i just got a staple remover stuck in my mouth
07:59:24 <Gekko> and still, I continue to type
08:00:29 <ThePizzaKing> How did you manage that?
08:06:02 <Purno> does anyone know the sprite offsets for openttd.grf ?
08:07:02 <Gekko> you see, it cant get out easily
08:07:13 <Gekko> if i shut my mouth, it will launch down my throat
08:07:19 <Gekko> I think I should calll the hospital lol
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08:15:00 <Wolf01> anybody here ever compiled and installed libiconv?
08:17:47 <Wolf01> did you had to copy the compiled files by hand?
08:19:02 <Wolf01> i'm trying to compile glib, which needs libiconv, compiled iconv and installed but he still can't see it
08:20:07 <Gekko> or compile with --prefix=/usr
08:26:45 <Wolf01> also with configure --with-libiconv=no, like there is written in --help it tries to use it -.-
08:34:15 <peter1138> i just leave all those libs to package management
08:36:47 <Wolf01> eh... msys does not have a package management
08:37:03 <Wolf01> at least, not like cygwin
08:37:30 <Wolf01> but with cygwin i can't get a working program
08:37:36 <peter1138> just bite the bullet and install a proper OS alongside windows
08:39:54 <Purno> peter1138 , do you coincidnetally know the sprite offsets for openttd.grf ?
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09:05:20 <simon888> This just in: Australia Defence Force does drugs on youtube
09:05:33 <simon888> or at least that is what the news is telling me
09:06:20 <simon888> the news also told me the Australian Government is going to start a magic filter next week to protect minors from sex predators
09:07:26 <simon888> a misinterpretation of the the Government's plan to offer a free opt-in pornography filter
09:07:35 <simon888> I am starting to hate the news
09:07:54 <simon888> I only realized this stuff they said is all wrong because I am a techie
09:08:13 <simon888> but how much other things which I am a simpleton do they get wrong?
09:15:29 <simon888> On topic: How do I replace vehicles in the nightly?
09:21:05 <simon888> peter1138, would you know?
09:32:18 <peter1138> instead of 'Repalce Vehicles' there's 'Manage List' menu (or something like that)
09:32:31 <peter1138> on that menu is the Replace Vehicles option
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09:36:40 <Purno> is it me or is there a bug in OpenTTD setting wagon speed limit at 1 km/h randomly?
09:39:02 <Purno> I got a GRF which works fine in TTDpatch, but in OpenTTD it got wagon speed limits of 1km/h...
09:42:48 <Purno> ttdpatch got 13mph as max trainspeed but doesn't mention a wagon speed limit in depot menu :/
09:43:13 <hylje> you got the feature enabled?
09:43:51 <Purno> could be an issue with GRFMaker too perhaps...
09:44:38 <Purno> MUs seem to work fine though...
09:46:09 <Purno> even the strongest engine runs on 13mph in ttdp :/
09:47:06 <Purno> I think I'm gonna post in at the forums...
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09:59:42 <simon444> okay do UFOs steal parts of your train track?
09:59:53 <simon444> or do they just go missing at random?
10:00:23 <Prof_Frink> simon444: Next time a UFO lands, watch
10:00:23 <rav> and then the track is bombed by the evil government
10:03:36 <simon444> I have a pile up of 100 trains because of that stupid ufo
10:03:52 <simon444> and I created another 40 because it was quiet
10:04:26 <simon444> I have no problem with UFOs... just would like to know that they bomb tracks so I could fix it when I saw it
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10:49:22 <Ammler> hi, whats the difference between multiplayer LAN and Internet?
10:50:12 <peter1138> lan probes the network, internet queries the masterserver
10:52:36 <Ammler> so, its less work for the master?
10:52:54 <peter1138> and the server, and the client
10:53:11 <peter1138> and all the other servers you're not interested in
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10:54:51 <Ammler> but MP over vpn wouldn't bring some CPU performance advantage
10:58:46 <simon888> what is the link for the changelog?
11:05:11 <peter1138> Ammler: none at all
11:09:49 <rav> Ive been having trouble running a server since yesterday..
11:09:59 <rav> I forward the ports, start the game etc..
11:10:05 <rav> but it just doesnt show up
11:10:28 <Ammler> rav, did you forward TCP and UDP?
11:12:40 <simon888> rav, can others connect to it?
11:13:20 <rav> you can try though: 213.84.75.15
11:15:05 <simon888> your ip is not routable or I lost internet connection again
11:16:46 <simon888> I need something to join the stations together so they all can accept coal
11:16:54 <Wolf01> i want to do another patch: open depots, so you can see what there is in, this mean: station like depots = i don't have idea from where begin :P
11:18:02 <simon888> rav, I can't route to it.
11:18:23 <Wolf01> simon888, remove that piece of station in the middle
11:18:28 <peter1138> simon888: just remove that bit of station
11:18:42 <simon888> Wolf01, but I need it... so they all can accept coal
11:18:57 <Wolf01> they already accept coal
11:19:29 <Wolf01> they are the same station, and will be the same station also without that piece
11:20:18 <simon888> how do I delete just that bit?
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11:20:33 <simon888> If I bomb it it bombs the WHOLE station
11:20:38 <Wolf01> like when you remove signals
11:20:47 <simon888> oh forgot about that
11:21:24 <Ammler> rav, how to ping a special port?
11:22:17 <Tefad> nmap -P0 -p<yourport> somehost.com maybe..
11:22:47 <Ammler> -p0 means without ping or am I wrong?
11:23:09 <Tefad> as ping requires transmission of data
11:23:35 <Tefad> you merely want to see if a box will respond with closed or accept the connection
11:23:57 <simon888> peter1138, you mean magic bulldozer?
11:24:00 * peter1138 wonders how feasible a 700x525 modeline is
11:24:03 <Tefad> so it's irrelavant if the box actually pings or not
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11:25:26 <simon444> okay the button which turns the track to red is regular bulldoer?
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11:26:37 <Ammler> rav, I scanned your IP, see no open port
11:26:53 <rav> Ill try the *new* access point then
11:26:57 <rav> see if the problem is there
11:27:05 <Ammler> 3979/tcp filtered unknown
11:27:44 <Ammler> just try without firwall
11:28:50 <simon444> because it aint working... says remove station first
11:28:50 <simon444> last thing I got was * Tefad shrugs
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11:29:24 <simon444> <simon444> okay the button which turns the track to red is regular bulldoer?
11:29:24 <simon444> <simon444> because it aint working... says remove station first
11:29:24 <simon444> <simon444> last thing I got was * Tefad shrugs
11:29:24 <simon444> <simon444> fuck my internet so unstable today
11:29:48 <rav> select the station building tool, then select the bulldozer button
11:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> simon444: not with the track building tool, with the station building tool, and then bulldozer
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11:30:50 <Ammler> rav, if you disable it, you can see, that you configured it wrong
11:31:18 <Ammler> its much easier then to replace the router
11:31:26 <Eddi|zuHause> rav: you have to open for both TCP and UDP
11:31:57 <rav> after that it auto kicks in again
11:32:34 <rav> and tcp and udp are both open
11:33:33 <Ammler> with NAT, a firewall is a littlebit useless
11:33:38 <rav> but Im on wireless since 2 days
11:33:51 <rav> so my access point could be the problem here
11:35:18 <Tefad> and you just spammed like a crazy person
11:35:47 <Ammler> rav, you can use pastey.net or something simular for such things
11:35:58 <rav> yea, in my client it just shows as one message
11:36:12 <rav> I forgot pasting creates a new message for every new line :$
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11:59:52 <simon888> I am printing more money than bill gates
12:00:11 <simon888> over a 1000 ton of coal per train
12:03:17 <simon888> that is 320 thousand tons of coal per lap
12:04:56 <simon888> my trains do 650km/h
12:07:43 <Eddi|zuHause> oh great, he discovered the stupidity of long straight lines...
12:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> now if he realised that he could double the money with diagonal lines...
12:09:45 <simon888> Eddi|zuHause, my map is only 2048x128
12:09:58 <simon888> diagonal is useless for me right now
12:15:30 <simon888> shit I crossed lines
12:15:51 <simon888> fuck trains are mixed and I didn't group them
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12:17:01 <Gekko[PDA]> simon888: autosaves
12:17:40 <simon888> I actually did a manual save just before
12:27:08 <simon888> Eddi|zuHause, I could quadruple the money by having diagonal and then tunnel back to the right side...
12:27:23 <simon888> nanana I have a bigger penis than you
12:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause> err... that of course won't work
12:29:13 <peter1138> and payment is by distance from source to destination, not distance travelled
12:29:52 <simon888> peter1138, guess you have a bigger penis than everyone...
12:30:07 <peter1138> what do you think 1138 means
12:30:52 <simon888> personal identification number?
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12:45:01 <Chris82> I just create a trunk game for re-production of the problem and upload the savegame
12:50:14 <Chris82> hmmm lol autoreplace doesn't even work with r10791 =/ what's wrong here
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12:51:16 <Chris82> ah ok that was only the money limit
12:59:18 <simon888> what is your last name?
13:01:19 <Chris82> simon: glx got it right :p
13:01:26 <Chris82> why do you want to know my last name? :D
13:01:58 <Gekko[PDA]> he's stealing your identity
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13:11:36 <simon888> there a chris I want to give something to...
13:12:08 <ChrisIN> awww do I get a present? :D
13:12:48 <simon888> if you are the right chris
13:13:30 <Gekko[PDA]> just spill the last name
13:13:42 <Gekko[PDA]> and he3 can decide
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13:22:56 <simon888> Gekko[PDA], his last name is IN?
13:23:24 <ChrisIN> my last name is Sackl
13:23:41 <simon888> that is you on the website?
13:23:42 <ChrisIN> IN stands for integrated nightly
13:24:18 <ChrisIN> you mean on the OpenTTD forum? yeah but that pic was taken a few years ago :p
13:28:33 <ChrisIN> btw I think the fix for #1105 I reported earlier is something like adding DecreaseGroupNumVehicle to replaced vehicles
13:29:35 <simon888> ChrisIN, no on that website
13:31:20 <ChrisIN> huh?? that is Sandra Bullock, don't you know her??
13:31:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i think he means the sandra bullock one
13:31:32 <ChrisIN> or what are you talking about?
13:31:46 <ChrisIN> I am the owner of the site if that is the question
13:39:08 <simon888> who the hell is Sandra?
13:40:34 <simon888> the first few images suggest she is some playboy doll
13:41:08 <ChrisIN> well your fault when you use Google
13:41:16 <ChrisIN> Google is an ugly, stupid bot machine
13:42:12 <ChrisIN> try Yahoo or Live they at least show some movie/event pics as well
13:42:42 <simon888> but she is so undressed in her movies... you never know
13:45:02 <ChrisIN> those pics Google showed me in it's search result are from a 10 year old TV magazine photoshoot
13:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> what, you haven't seen "Speed" or anything?
13:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause> you have a lot to learn, young padawan
13:49:27 <simon888> I think I saw here on quiet a few commercials
13:49:49 <simon888> how do I close all windows but pinned ones?
13:50:45 <Prof_Frink> simon888: delete them
13:51:34 <ChrisIN> simon888: she even was in Sydney a while ago
13:51:40 <ChrisIN> she must've been in the news over there
13:52:00 <simon888> ChrisIN, you didn't read my rant about the news above
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14:09:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10792 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix [FS#1104]: when determining the gender of a string, do not assume that the gender is in the front of the string when there can be case switching code at that location.
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14:40:07 <simon888> ftphyperdart2 or dinger 1000
14:40:47 <simon888> what is so good about the dinger 100 that it costs 4x the amount but only take a extra 45 people
14:41:00 <simon888> and is less reliable
14:41:12 <simon888> ottd isn't real life
14:41:19 <simon888> things are meant to make sense in ottd
14:41:56 <Noldo> don't use it if it doesn't serve your purposes
14:42:16 <simon888> Noldo, I have billions of dollars the cost doesn't worry me
14:42:22 <simon888> I make a billion per year
14:42:40 <simon888> and am about to double that with the opening of side two...
14:50:03 <simon888> they pay for themselves I guess
14:50:39 <simon888> already made 15mil from them
14:56:27 <Rubidium> if only there was an IRC client that ignores replies to ignored people too
14:56:46 <simon888> Noldo, yes... I can't see the exact amount of money they are costing me or profiting me because I am making soo much from all sorts of things
15:01:59 <Timwi> Is it possible to have computer players in a network game?
15:03:23 <ln-> You really want a computer player to ruin the game?
15:03:42 <simon888> computer players are stupid
15:04:11 <simon888> no matter how intel you make them they are still stupid
15:04:16 <simon888> Timwi, it is possible
15:04:35 <simon888> Timwi, one of the patches iirc
15:04:41 <ln-> I don't know. I just know the computer player is annoying.
15:05:17 <glx> I think it's possible in NoAI
15:07:09 <Noldo> Rubidium: what do you think, could the CommandCost class contain the expence type information too?
15:09:51 <ChrisIN> hmmm where can I fund a town?
15:10:02 <ChrisIN> no matter which location I choose it always tells me site unsuitable
15:10:37 <ChrisIN> why is it in the industries to be built then?
15:11:01 <ChrisIN> it's no patch, it's trunk :p
15:11:15 <Prof_Frink> ChrisIN: bugs.openttd.org then
15:11:17 <glx> you can't fund town in game
15:11:29 <ChrisIN> errr I was speaking of bank :p
15:11:46 <ChrisIN> I meant I can't build a bank anywhere
15:12:02 <glx> bank should be on a house, and town must have more than 2000 people
15:12:19 <ChrisIN> grrr it has 1970 :( lol
15:12:25 <ChrisIN> ok then I know what the problem is :D
15:13:23 <Noldo> didn't it give a proper error message?
15:14:14 <ln-> if i wanted to create e.g. a big 2k×2k map which consisted of two separate islands, does the editor allow me to do that without a million mouse clicks?
15:14:20 <ChrisIN> no it just said site unsuitable
15:14:27 <ChrisIN> and I thought why why why? it's in the middle of the city
15:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> or modify the TGP algorithm ;)
15:20:47 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik the system is prepared to add more generation algorithms
15:25:01 <ln-> another thing; when land is lowered to sea-level andthe sea slowly eats the land, the editor will still happily build new cities on those areas that are about to sink.
15:26:51 <Noldo> the buildings stay there when the water catches them?
15:27:21 <ln-> no, they are destroyed but the name sign of the town stays there.
15:28:54 <simon888> I was doing some bombing
15:29:16 <simon888> for some weird reason (maybe a bug) the whole city deleted itself
15:30:03 <Noldo> hmm the temporary ignore ended, better make it permanent
15:33:33 <simon888> we must speak different languages
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15:45:27 <ln-> the sea should advance a lot quicker in the editor.
16:02:03 <simon888> Eddi|zuHause, you and your stupid ideas
16:02:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i never have stupid ideas
16:02:36 <simon888> diagonal over 2048 tiles
16:03:02 <simon888> openttd is stuck for over 5min
16:03:32 <Eddi|zuHause> then you did something wrong
16:04:55 <simon888> nah it is still trying to calculate it
16:05:12 <simon888> you must of known there is a leak when doing this
16:05:24 <simon888> and you knew I am foolish
16:07:11 <simon888> look at it... it is dieing
16:07:41 <simon888> woohoo del got me out of it
16:15:25 <simon888> "a fool and his game quickly part"
16:20:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "something wrong" as in "disregarded the warning label about big maps and CPU power"
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16:39:50 <simon888> woohoo first train arrives
16:40:36 <simon888> Eddi|zuHause, how much do your make?
16:41:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i never lowered my style to that kind of stupid niveau...
16:41:24 <Eddi|zuHause> my networks are "realistic"
16:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause> besides, "6mil" means "6000"
16:42:21 <simon888> what does 6000 mean?
16:42:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and the number is totally worthless without giving a currency and an inflation level
16:44:27 <simon888> where do I get the inflation percent?
16:44:37 <Eddi|zuHause> usually, you don't...
16:44:42 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: I feel for you man, but just ignore him and we will all find inner peace
16:45:04 <Prof_Frink> simon888: It's affected by the initial interest rate option
16:45:33 <simon888> where do I get that from?
16:46:01 <Prof_Frink> difficulty settings
16:47:04 <Eddi|zuHause> basically inflation level is a geometric series over the interest rate and the number of years passed
16:47:12 <simon888> but I got a $500k loan for 3 months then paid it off
16:47:34 <simon888> it has only been 3years
16:48:02 <simon888> I am towing 1500 tons of coal+
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16:51:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10793 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/newgrf_fsmports.h: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: When replacing a deleted airport, this assert triggered unnecessarily. Removed.
16:53:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10794 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Orientation not initialised on re-selection of gui.
16:54:14 <simon888> ln-, nah it is going very well
16:54:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10795 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/newgrf.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: GSF_FSMPORTS now uses separate explicit Case, rather than default fallthrough.
17:04:45 <simon888> HMage, hi you have your own russian dialup service?
17:05:20 <HMage> nope, it's not dialup, it's broadband internet. they just forgot to change reverse dns. and I have my own hostname because I have a static IP.
17:06:46 <simon888> oh dang... I was going to say I'm peter1138's friend (the guy with the really big penis)... and like if I ever was in Russia and needed dialup if you would lend it out... heh
17:08:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10796 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: rb_airport2.grf now includes Small Airport.
17:08:56 <simon888> <simon888> peter1138, guess you have a bigger penis than everyone...
17:08:56 <simon888> <peter1138> of course i do
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17:22:18 <RichK67> im trying to sort out station availability by date.... do you have any examples, perhaps using varaction2s and callbacks, that i can look at to adapt?
17:22:41 <Rubidium> RichK67: the orientation in the gui is not set to a value that the airport supports (commuter, select se orientation, select small airport)
17:23:56 <RichK67> ah... sorry - problem in 2 places... solved one... bbiam
17:23:57 <simon888> RichK67, lots of fixes
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17:30:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10797 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Orientation needed re-initialising when airport selection changed.
17:31:28 <DaleStan> RichK67: Try sprites 3773, 3772, and 3770 of MB's newstations (v0.44). They set that station as unavailable until the end of 1970 (1920 + 32h).
17:31:48 <RichK67> magnificent... take a bow :)
17:35:19 <RichK67> btw, i tried using nforenum on my .nfo, and it said "unknown nfo file version 7. skipping file"... i was sure i had d/l latest... any idea?
17:36:39 <DaleStan> I think 3.4.5 is the latest, and unless something went very wrong, it supports version 7. Alternatively, decode with -xx, which will generate version 6.
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17:43:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10798 /trunk/src/ (aircraft.h roadveh.h ship.h train.h vehicle.cpp vehicle.h): -Fix [FS#1105]: virtual functions do not work in destructors :(.
17:47:58 <Digitalfox_Notebook> RichK67: I just compiled the new_ports branch twice with BuildOTTD and it when running open, it always says airports.grf is corrupted and crashes!! The airports.grf has size of 11KB, and has far as i can see there is no reason to be corrupted :\
17:48:45 <Digitalfox_Notebook> The message is "corrupted or not found"
17:49:10 <Rubidium> that's a (currently) bogus warning
17:49:12 <RichK67> Newports branch is not complete, and ive not MD5'd the changes to airports.grf, since they arent finished yet.... long way to go
17:49:40 <Digitalfox_Notebook> Yea i know it's not finished :) But what could cause this problem?
17:50:05 <RichK67> ive not calculated the MD5 hash on the changes i made to airports.grf
17:51:31 <Digitalfox_Notebook> And any workaround i can use to test the new features?
17:51:35 <Rubidium> Digitalfox_Notebook: remove opntitle.dat and see whether that works
17:51:49 <Rubidium> furthermore you need to add the airport newgrf
17:52:07 <RichK67> it will still warn, but should work ok
17:52:11 <glx> else you'll get a crash when trying to build an airport
17:52:52 <RichK67> btw ALL normally built airports are dead in the build... you cant load an old game, you cant save a new one... other than that, its doozy
17:54:29 <Digitalfox_Notebook> Even after moving or erasing the opentile.grf it still crashes :( I'll wait for some more developing :)
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18:28:17 <alexalex> how do i kick someone from server?
18:28:27 <Eley> Hi. Is there a known problem about the intelligence of there computor players? I have a little problem about this, th e stupidity is enormus even in hard. T here is no difference between easy, normal(?) and hard . They love to fill the map with road and the same with railroad .
18:28:30 <alexalex> rcon <password> kick #123
18:28:36 <alexalex> rcon <password> kick 123
18:28:40 <alexalex> rcon <password> kick name
18:28:58 <alexalex> ive also tried IP address\
18:29:02 <alexalex> what am i doing wrong?
18:29:48 <Priski> Eley, well that known problem and thats why there are on going developement on new AI
18:30:23 <Prof_Frink> Eley: The only difference in "intelligence" of the AIs is the bonus the recieve for their stations
18:30:27 <alexalex> obviously im using the ciorrent rcon password
18:30:32 <alexalex> but why isnt it worknig?
18:30:37 <alexalex> also, how would i clean a company?
18:32:37 <Eley> Noldo / Priski: Ahh... But I cant remember that they was that stupid in Transport Tycoon. They did build "ok". Is all the code build from ground up in openttd and only graphics the only original code?
18:33:17 <Prof_Frink> Eley: No, they were that stupid in standard TTD
18:33:17 <Noldo> Eley: TrueBrain might know how it is for AI
18:34:20 <Eley> Backspace in browser window isnt a good thing. :)
18:35:17 <Wezz6400> it makes you go back to the previous page ;)
18:35:59 <alexalex> how do i kick someone?
18:36:05 <alexalex> its not working with i try with
18:36:17 <alexalex> rcon <password> kick #123 or 123 or name or ip address
18:36:34 <Eley> In old TT (And TTD) the computors did put more then one train at the tracks and the companies was worth more then 1 USD (I have seen one computor that did was worth more then that.)
18:37:01 <Eddi|zuHause> alexalex: tried 'rcon <pw> "kick <number>"'?
18:37:14 <Eley> Wezz6400: Im sitting in a java IRC thing in the browser. :) backspace = exit
18:37:29 <Prof_Frink> Eley: That's partly because the company value no longer includes the loan
18:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Eley: the AI got worse because the game logic changed, and nobody understood the AI to keep it up with the changes
18:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why there's going to be a complete rewrite of the AI
18:38:44 <alexalex> how do you clean a company??
18:39:42 <alexalex> hmmm and how do you list compnays?
18:40:37 <alexalex> that doesnt liost it
18:41:32 <Rubidium> just with a name you wouldn't expect
18:41:49 <Rubidium> as multiplayer originally was 1 player per company
18:41:55 <alexalex> nope it doesnt show commands
18:42:30 <Wezz6400> list_cmds or listcmds or something does doesn't it?
18:43:25 <Rubidium> the same command help says to run to list all commands
18:43:33 <alexalex> ive read it three times over
18:44:16 <Eley> OpenTTD... The good thing = a great game The bad thing = Time just disappears. 4-5h isnt a problem to play this game. If you dont have any food at home = play OpenTTD and then go to bed and then eat at work the next morning. :)
18:44:58 <Wezz6400> Eley that's just sick...
18:46:02 <Eley> I have done that two times this week.
18:46:21 <Eley> Even if the "food store" is 200 meters away.
18:48:14 <Prof_Frink> Eley: You have to learn to phone the pizza place
18:49:07 <Eley> Prof_Frink: "Pizza store" (crappy english) is even closer, 100 meter.
18:49:42 <peter1138> then they'll be able to deliver quickly :D
18:50:32 <simon888> glad to see everyone was so panicing they didn't talk till I told them its okay
18:52:13 <Eley> peter1138: Yep, but the quality of them is crappy. But another pizza place is 200 meter away, and the same with burger king but that "food" just taste like crap. Cant even understand that people like that "food".
18:52:41 <Eley> simon888: You where the only op and did remove the mute from the channel?
18:58:34 <Eley> TV time! About Europe over its development over hundreds of millions of years.
18:59:24 <simon888> meh Europe was born in the Middle East
19:00:07 <simon888> stop fucking with it so there might be some history left by the time you come looking for it
19:00:31 <simon888> stop it with your stupid peace talks where the public doesn't agree
19:02:50 <alexalex> simon888: you live in america?
19:03:20 <alexalex> simon888 (~simon@210-84-47-31.dyn.iinet.net.au)
19:03:27 <alexalex> australian ip address
19:03:59 <simon888> naaa. I live all over the world
19:04:13 <alexalex> did you know Australia was development by slaves and criminals?
19:04:23 <alexalex> and today, it has one of the lowest IQ's per capita?
19:04:28 <simon888> Hong Kong, Australia, etc.
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19:04:58 <simon888> alexalex, israel has the highest IQ per capita.
19:05:29 <Priski> jews are smart, no denying that
19:05:48 <alexalex> simon888, im not talking about the highest
19:05:53 <alexalex> im talking about the lowest.
19:05:59 <alexalex> the bottom of the barrel
19:06:03 <alexalex> the scum of the planet
19:06:12 <simon888> and it was started by nation divided all over the world.
19:06:16 <alexalex> opps, did i push too far across the line?
19:06:20 <Priski> alexalex, well he is one of them, how the hell would he understand that?
19:06:36 <simon888> Priski, I am not Australian
19:06:52 <simon888> Priski, right now it would be the middle of the night in Australia
19:07:07 <simon888> I am always online during this time slot
19:07:23 <alexalex> simon888, cool where you from?
19:07:44 <alexalex> simon888: and actually its around 5am sydney time atm
19:08:02 <alexalex> simon888: bouncing irc throught a australian connection?
19:08:20 <simon888> no, I am currently in Australia
19:08:29 <simon888> but going to the other side of the world soon
19:08:47 <simon888> so adjusting my times
19:09:08 <simon888> plus I never adjusted to Australia
19:34:31 <alexalex> hwo do i list companies? i have someone who ihas disconnected and i need to reset his company
19:34:48 <alexalex> but i cant seem to find which company name he is
19:34:55 <alexalex> sorry company number
19:36:45 <alexalex> i cant reset this company
19:37:00 <alexalex> rcon password reset_company 1
19:37:10 <alexalex> ive also tried: rcon password reser_company #1
19:37:16 <alexalex> rcon password 'reset_company 1'
19:37:33 <alexalex> but its giving me syntax error.... whats the correct syntax?
19:38:14 <alexalex> wtf, im putting in the company number\
19:38:18 <alexalex> why is it not working?
19:38:39 <alexalex> same thing happens when i try and ban this guy
19:38:49 <alexalex> whats the correct syntax?
19:39:22 <glx> <alexalex> rcon password 'reset_company 1' <-- it is the correct syntax IIRC
19:39:39 <peter1138> mmm, rhubarb crumble
19:40:01 <peter1138> "mmm, rhubarb crumble"
19:40:47 <alexalex> `it says command or varible not found
19:40:59 <alexalex> rcon password 'reset_company #1'
19:41:40 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: Why did you abandon us?
19:42:22 <alexalex> can someone please help why isnt this syntax working?
19:42:28 <alexalex> im need to get rid of this guy
19:42:32 <glx> you have set a rcon password?
19:43:06 <alexalex> his ip is 90.196.2.129
19:43:18 <alexalex> how do i get rid of him/
19:43:39 <Prof_Frink> peter1138! AdminGUI!
19:43:55 <alexalex> glx: the whole command?
19:44:08 <glx> rcon password "reset_company 1"
19:46:24 <glx> help rcon should have tell it :)
19:46:27 <alexalex> maybe a fix on the syntax would be in order, instead of mentioning single quote
19:46:32 <alexalex> it says single quote
19:46:50 <glx> it says "Remember to enclose the command in quotes"
19:47:00 <glx> and quotes are usually double
19:51:30 <Prof_Frink> Well, double quotes are normally double
19:51:35 <Prof_Frink> single quotes are not
19:51:57 <glx> and quotes without attribute?
19:52:13 <Prof_Frink> And then there's crazy people with their ``foo'' notation
19:52:29 <Prof_Frink> Whichever you feel like at the time
19:56:43 <Wolf01> just one question: is possible to use a file instead of the ram for ottd?
19:57:09 <glx> Wolf01: you want to slow down the game?
19:57:38 <Wolf01> but if i don't have enough memory?
19:57:56 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: Your OS should handle swapping itself
19:58:40 <Wolf01> i don't know if the nintendo DS can handle swap by itself
19:59:41 <simon888> <Myon> alexalex: try to hit enter less often
20:00:45 <Eley> simon888: What did you mean with middle east and piece talk? I was talking about the birth of the land, how the continental plates has moved around, how the salt and coal did make it in to the ground (sea water and enormus forests) for over millions of years.
20:02:12 <simon888> Eley, Rice and Gang are having peace talks in between Israel and the Arab enemies. Yet Israel nor its enemies have a standard of disagreement.
20:02:27 <simon888> Such talks in a democracy which will only last 4 years is useless
20:03:42 <simon888> First get the groups to establish their disagreement before you start trying to make an agreement or else you are only agreeing in between the parties sitting around the table who are surely outnumbered by their respected publics
20:04:36 <aneb> i'd like to run a openttd server.
20:05:07 <simon888> aneb, click mutliplayer
20:06:07 <aneb> what about a dedicated server without the GUI?
20:06:56 <simon888> aneb, what operating system?
20:07:41 <simon888> glx, just wanted to know... to see the type of exposure the person has...
20:08:38 <simon888> aneb, run that command. Before hand you are going to want to set up your settings... see the wiki
20:09:08 <aneb> Do i need to install the game files?
20:10:30 <Eley> simon888: Oki. I dont want to go in and discuss that because of the whole situation and how it was created.
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20:11:28 <aneb> glx: as that doesnt really make sense
20:11:43 <glx> it does if you know the internal of openttd
20:13:21 <simon888> Eley, I understand. I am just saying there are many views out there not being spoke on the table. Some of these views have a bigger share of the public and in a democratic society talks without such views being represented will lead to no where.
20:16:47 <simon888> new one should of got built recently
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20:22:07 <simon888> aneb, what debian version are you using?
20:22:21 <aneb> simon888: i'm using ubuntu
20:23:10 <simon888> next time don't come into debian if your problem is with ubuntu. Ubuntu does some very weird things.
20:23:23 <aneb> simon888: erm, its not ubuntu
20:23:42 <aneb> simon888: i think i'll do an apt-get update to fix, hold
20:24:18 <simon888> what ubuntu version?
20:24:19 <aneb> simon888: the root of the error was that i interrupted dpkg
20:25:16 <aneb> simon888: i ran that command, but it stops. hmmm.
20:25:36 <simon888> what ubuntu version?
20:25:38 <aneb> simon888: ubuntu 7.04 on the server which i'm sshed into
20:25:51 <simon888> apt-get install openttd
20:26:23 <aneb> what is the -2 version for then i wonder
20:26:55 <aneb> i'll look, i think i saw something related to debian on the news page
20:27:56 <aneb> so let me get this straight
20:28:21 <aneb> kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install openttd
20:28:21 <aneb> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
20:28:48 <aneb> sudo dpkg --configure -a gives
20:28:58 <aneb> kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install openttd
20:28:58 <aneb> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
20:29:09 <aneb> kyle@kyle-desktop:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
20:29:09 <aneb> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0017' near line 31 package `xfonts-100dpi':
20:30:05 <glx> it's easier to get the source and "./configure && make"
20:30:06 <aneb> simon888: its not ubuntu thats the problem....
20:30:29 <Prof_Frink> aneb: Your system is a tad fooked
20:30:37 <glx> aneb: AFAIK it works on debian
20:30:40 <aneb> glx: but theres no integration, and i cant install anything w/ apt-get
20:30:48 <simon888> aneb, your system is broken
20:30:57 <Rubidium> then there's something wrong with the xfonts-100dpi installer script, which causes the install process to abort and "locks" it until you've fixed the installer
20:31:02 <simon888> aneb, goto #ubuntu on freenode for help
20:31:06 <Rubidium> or found a way to fix it
20:31:50 <aneb> Rubidium: it probably was me, although thats a certain possibility
20:32:30 <simon888> aneb, alternatively just download a pre compiled tarball to your home directory and use it from there
20:32:41 <simon888> no need to "install" it
20:33:03 <aneb> i have a idea. after apt-get update downloads the updates, it runs dpkg. So the problem is in dpkg
20:33:05 <Prof_Frink> ...but you really should fix the problem with dpkg anyway
20:33:28 <simon888> aneb, linux doesn't work like that
20:33:38 <simon888> aneb, it isn't simple building blocks
20:34:03 <Prof_Frink> aneb: Did you use... Automatix?
20:34:17 <aneb> Prof_Frink: no, never have, never will
20:34:40 <Prof_Frink> Damn, that would have been a nice thing to blame the problem on
20:36:12 <aneb> i don't know what the dpkg problem is. i have a error message, but thats it.
20:36:35 <Prof_Frink> I'd go to #ubuntu on freenode and ask
20:36:37 <aneb> and i removed X11, so maybe ... ?
20:37:29 <glx> hmm openttd package needs X and sdl I think
20:37:35 <aneb> xfonts-100dpi is a X11 package, so maybe there was a partial remove
20:37:52 <aneb> glx: the error message is from dpkg.
20:38:23 <simon888> aneb, get #ubuntu to help you before you break more stuff
20:38:48 <simon888> aneb, the problem can't simply be fixed by apt stuff away and back
20:38:49 <aneb> why should i get them to help me
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20:39:09 <simon888> because they are #ubuntu and we are #openttd
20:39:20 <aneb> simon888: i know. this is a problem with dpkg
20:39:39 <simon888> ubuntu has done funny things with dpkg
20:40:05 <simon888> the problem is with the package
20:40:26 <simon888> the package system is not perfect and sometimes breaks
20:40:54 <simon888> it needs manual maintenance
20:41:09 <simon888> not everything can be automated with dpkg and apt
20:41:39 <simon888> they are tools that most of the time work
20:43:01 <aneb> simon888: i don't believe you because when i was removing x11, something happened that corrupted the dpkg file. maybe a reboot... or whatever. i'm getting help now in #ubuntu please drop the topic thank you.
20:44:24 <simon888> guess I came out too rough
20:51:20 <Ammler> Hi, we have 11 players on our server, how is that possible?
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20:56:37 <simon888> Ammler, some are watching?
20:57:25 <glx> simon888: but the max client is 10, so having 11 is theorically impossible
20:58:17 <glx> did they join at the same time?
20:58:57 <Ammler> but that mean to me, it would be possilbe to rise this limit, wouldn't?
21:01:11 <Ammler> or why does this limit exists?
21:01:59 <Rubidium> why raise the limit if making it limitless is better?
21:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause> the 10 clients limit is probably purely artificial
21:02:21 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: as most limits ;)
21:02:24 <Eddi|zuHause> just that nobody had the time to review what comes along with removing it
21:03:46 <simon888> Eddi|zuHause, you have the time take it
21:14:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you have absolutely no idea about my time
21:15:19 <Rubidium> still talking to simon or whatever he's called?
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21:21:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10799 /trunk/src/ (15 files): -Fix: only calling QuickFree and not the destructor on pool cleanups might cause memory leaks due to the way C++ works.
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21:36:26 <Progman> as there are a lot of OLD_POOL stuff, will be the pool-system replaced?
21:37:48 <Progman> where is the new one?
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22:07:30 <RichK67> woooooooo.... TACKAS is back :)
22:07:55 <RichK67> (the Artist currently known as Skidd13)
22:12:17 <skidd13> RichK67: Nice work with the newgrf-ports :) Good to see my runway numbers in action.
22:12:38 <RichK67> yup... and on the small airport too!
22:14:20 * skidd13 checks out the current newgrf_port branch
22:16:39 <Ammler> Rubidium or Eddi|zuHause, could you remove the client limit in one of the next nightly, we (#openttdcoop) will test it then ;)
22:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no influence whatsoever about what happens in the next nightly...
22:17:48 <Rubidium> removing the limit is not that hard
22:17:56 <Rubidium> making it work, that's the hard part
22:22:37 <skidd13> RichK67: There's something wrong with the preview of the small airport. Action colors are used. :)
22:23:20 <skidd13> Ohh. Damn. Who killed the server.
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22:24:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was simon<random_number>
22:25:30 <simon888> Eddi|zuHause, its no random number
22:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> *waves hand* no, you did not
22:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it's still "Random(2)*444"
22:26:04 <simon888> <Ammler> Rubidium or Eddi|zuHause, could you remove the client limit in one of the next nightly, we (#openttdcoop) will test it then ;)
22:26:12 <simon888> <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was simon<random_number>
22:26:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i think he has not seen star wars either...
22:26:43 <RichK67> skidd13: yeah, MeusH said it was possible... its cos he used anti-aliasing... little bit of cleanup... nice and easy
22:27:00 <simon888> Eddi|zuHause, only once
22:27:14 <RichK67> these are not the bugs you are looking for ;)
22:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> simon888: there were some great jokes about this in south park
22:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and a cool scene in one of the last episodes of "Andromeda", where Romy waves her hand and says "We are not the droids that you seek."
22:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (again, the quote is not literal, but back-translated)
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23:07:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10800 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/ (5 files): [NewGRF_ports] -Add: saving of FSMblockmaps.
23:22:58 <Xintron> How do I build one way signals?
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23:44:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r10801 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/station_cmd.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Add: saving of layout_set and orientation
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