IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-07-27
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00:32:56 <simon444> who wants to team with me in a game of ottd?
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00:49:54 <ln-> actually it's ready as well.
00:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> you do realise it is like 3AM?
00:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> actually i meant that as a reply to simon444
00:51:18 <Priski> 03:51 over here now :) on +2 GMT timezone
00:51:40 <simon444> I have been up for 76 hours
00:51:56 <simon444> actually other people just have been using my computer :D
00:52:39 <Priski> 76 hours? you must be a bit tired of just feeling "woozy" if you havent slept in that time
00:53:04 <ln-> does someone care to test the os x patch? i guess not.
00:54:19 <Priski> last time I was that much awake was in the week long camp in army, after 4 days of total sleep of 4 hours I run only on kaffeine pills.
00:55:04 <Touqen> A cousin of mine joined the US marines.
00:55:20 <Touqen> I'm sure he's probably have the same wonderful experience over at bootcamp.
00:56:03 <simon444> Priski, I am currently working for the CIA, dah.
00:56:07 <Priski> that was time of mine life, allthought going around 20km march with 40kg packback was bit "painful"
00:56:41 <Touqen> simon444, set up any banana republics yet?
00:56:50 <simon444> I am here to spy on all of you. So I can accuse you of terrorism if Government wants you behind bars.
00:56:52 <Priski> well in here you HAVE to go to army at least half of year unless you have proper reason to not to
00:57:05 <simon444> We need some type of evidence
00:57:13 <simon444> therefore I am here to provide it
00:57:43 <Priski> like uncurable dicease or you have to be an pacifist
00:57:51 <ln-> a proper reason could be e.g. 1) you are an athletic, 2) you are an actor, 3) you are a singer, 4) you are any kind of an artist.
00:58:13 <Touqen> you're not a citizen :D
00:58:52 <simon444> ln-, you avoided paying tax on your ottd income
00:59:07 <simon444> actually any reason why there is no company tax?
00:59:22 <Priski> army for me was nice memories and mild bone ruptures :)
00:59:41 <simon444> there should also be road tax and air tax
00:59:52 <simon444> further benefits to the train industry
01:00:20 <Touqen> because it's an transport game not an economic simulator
01:00:27 <simon444> just so many things are good for the train industry it wont make a different to give it another unfair advantage
01:00:41 * Touqen would like to have a transport game that was closer to a simluator though
01:00:45 <simon444> Touqen, so it is a socialist game
01:01:14 <Priski> hah simon444 wants proof on what? :)
01:02:20 <Priski> 03:57 < simon444> We need some type of evidence
01:03:05 <Touqen> Are you trying to see if we are "socialists" or "communists"?
01:03:13 <simon444> Priski, on your terrorism
01:03:40 <Priski> what that has to do with terrorist, socialists or communists?
01:03:41 <simon444> Touqen, separate discussions
01:04:01 <Touqen> That's kind of a useless endeavour in here. Considering that most of the people in the channel exist outside of the United States and I doubt high level CIA people (the kinds of people capable of cgetting people arrested in foreign countries) wouldn't be advertising their CIA ties in here.
01:05:25 <Touqen> So.. I tried implementing PBS and failed miserably :/
01:05:44 <Touqen> And disappeared for a while because I was so ashamed of myself.
01:05:56 <Priski> socialism and communism is an ideology (or and political movement etc...) and terrorism is type of violence
01:06:22 <Touqen> You can be a non-violent terrorist.
01:06:33 <simon444> terrorism is the act of installing terror
01:06:42 <simon444> recently it has been getting a new meaning
01:06:54 <simon444> by recently I mean in the past 80 years
01:07:29 <simon444> not an innovation of bush or anything irrational like that (cough, some that would get me locked up)
01:07:43 <Priski> Touqen, true, "terrorism" is quite wide concept
01:08:24 * Touqen guesses he should go and figure out what he's going to do for dinner before it gets to late.
01:09:05 <Priski> and meaning differs in trought world
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01:11:28 <Touqen> Any suggestions what I should do for dinner?
01:12:33 <Priski> meat, cucumber, salad, tomatoes and some nice taco sauce
01:12:34 <Touqen> Well, being as I don't want to cook and the nearest place to get "tortillas" is taco bell...
01:12:48 <Touqen> I don't think that is really an option this evening.
01:13:13 <Belugas> maybe an inventory of your fridge might help :)
01:13:31 <Belugas> pasta is always a winner
01:13:41 <Belugas> easy to cook, easily swallowed
01:14:02 <Touqen> i have water and beer in my fridge
01:14:46 <simon444> <simon444> Touqen, beeeeeer
01:14:47 <simon444> <Touqen> i have water and beer in my fridge
01:15:16 <Priski> just minced meat and macaroni, and right spices do the trick
01:15:42 <Touqen> Don't have any macaroni, nor do I have any non-frozen meats
01:15:49 <Touqen> I've got a bachelor's fridge.
01:16:26 <Priski> have you got a microwave that has "defrost" option?
01:16:34 <simon444> disassemble the fridge
01:16:51 <simon444> you might find something eatable in the parts
01:18:03 <Belugas> not shocking, limitating would i say
01:20:15 <Priski> can you answer few question? how old and what do you think of us politics today? - no need to answer if you dont want to, I'm just intrested :)
01:20:55 <simon444> Priski, it is stupid.
01:23:25 <Belugas> Priski, maybe you should specify interior of internatinal us politics ;)
01:23:33 <Belugas> not exactly the same thing
01:23:54 <Priski> but i'm asking both, just curious
01:24:19 <Priski> thats why I said that no need to answer if no want
01:25:44 <Priski> I'm just bit worried about todays world thats all
01:25:45 <Belugas> what i would like to know is if the american people are still almost equally divided between pro and anti Bush as during its re-election
01:26:27 <Belugas> i saw on the news that Swartzy might run for president. that would be fun :)
01:26:44 <Priski> and I want to get into politics future if I think that I can make any difference
01:27:15 <Priski> some people said already that I should be on elections, but don't know
01:27:22 <simon444> I don't care about how anti-Bush you are but there are some things you don't
01:27:36 <simon444> those happen to be the things many anti-Bush people are doing
01:27:50 <simon444> anti-Bush people like Osama bin Laden
01:29:06 <Belugas> i'm basically against politicians. I may be cynical, but from what i can see, they want to serve the people only afer they have been served themselves
01:29:48 <Belugas> i don't believe in altruism in politics. If you are a true samaritan or altruist, you will help people on the street, stuff like that
01:30:00 <Priski> Belugas, that is the main reason that I want to make a difference at some point of my life
01:30:21 <Belugas> maybe the power corrupts the person. dunno.
01:30:33 <Priski> Belugas, thats the human nature
01:30:41 <Priski> nothing is never enought
01:30:41 <Belugas> but if it is your goal, and you truely belive in it, all i can say is work for it, Priski
01:30:53 <Belugas> dreama and goals are good
01:31:06 <Priski> dreams keep me alive today :)
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01:31:28 <Belugas> me,it's coffee and the joys of newind.. coding
01:32:19 <simon444> Belugas, nah it is democracy.
01:32:29 <Belugas> seriously, i have wonderfull wife and kid, my dreams are pretty much fullfilled :)
01:32:42 <simon444> Belugas, some parts of the system are just wrong and broken
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01:32:52 <Belugas> democracy exists only during elections simon444. don't get fooled
01:32:55 <simon444> Belugas, can I have them
01:33:10 <simon444> Belugas, I don't mean that part of democracy
01:33:20 <Touqen> Even then, it barely exists.
01:33:27 <simon444> Belugas, I mean the style of Government
01:33:27 <Belugas> there is no other part
01:33:53 <simon444> elections != democracy
01:33:55 <Belugas> the people at the power are doing what they want once elected
01:34:14 <Belugas> look up in the dictionnary what it means
01:34:21 <Belugas> it is not what we have.
01:34:49 <Belugas> once every 4 years (depends), people vote for their leaders, based on some promises
01:35:09 <Belugas> after that, the guys can do what the want, even if the whole population is against it
01:36:16 <Belugas> it would be if everyone could vote on every decision been made at parlement, through any kind of means
01:36:28 <Belugas> representative decision is not based on the people
01:36:31 <simon444> that would be pointless
01:36:41 <simon444> we might as well have no government then
01:36:41 <Touqen> a true democracy is logistically impossible
01:36:51 <Belugas> that is what democracy is all about
01:36:52 <Touqen> hence why democratic republics exist
01:36:55 <simon444> democracy != elections
01:36:58 <Belugas> the greeks achieved it
01:37:09 <simon444> democracy = style of Government
01:37:19 <Belugas> simon444, you're repeating yourself without any new arguments
01:37:50 <simon444> the ancients had a lot more efficient systems
01:37:51 <Belugas> demo - people. cracy = gouvernance
01:37:59 <Touqen> simon444, yes a style of goverment where "the people" vote on issues.
01:38:34 <simon444> Touqen, you could have a monarchy and the people still vote on issues
01:38:45 <simon444> heck I think the bible even had that
01:39:04 <simon444> a monarchy with people voting on issues
01:39:25 <Belugas> that is not a real monarchy
01:39:49 <simon444> Touqen, democracy is some crazy style of Government. Comparable to English as a crazy form of language.
01:40:11 <simon444> Belugas, because the liberal want you to believe it is not?
01:40:26 <Belugas> because the monarch does not have power, thus does not gouvern, thus is only an image, a symbol
01:40:51 <simon444> A state ruled or headed by a monarch.
01:41:00 <Touqen> In monarchies as they exist today.
01:41:13 <simon444> A monarchy, from the Greek μονος, "one", and αρχειν, "to rule", is a form of government in which a monarch, usually a single person, is the head of state.
01:41:32 <Belugas> which confirms what i said
01:42:00 <simon444> Belugas, then that monarch is not a Government.
01:43:27 <Touqen> m not going to begin pretending that I know much about political structure.
01:43:36 <Touqen> I'm going to venture out of doors and find a meal of some sort.
01:45:32 <simon444> Touqen, oh you know a lot more than some other politicians in the media and such.
01:47:23 <simon444> I just had some asian call me from my doctor's office telling my I have an appointment on YXZ
01:47:37 <simon444> they gave me the correct time
01:48:06 <simon444> my doctor's office isn't big enough to outsource to asia
01:48:50 <simon444> they have a local as the secretary
01:49:04 <simon444> and when she is sick they have another local to fill in
01:49:12 <Belugas> as for myself, i'm immerging myself in the delights of coding
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01:56:41 <simon444> Eddi|zuHause2, and Eddi|zuHause3
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02:19:09 <simon444> want to team with me?
02:20:06 <gamer1682> im sorry Im trying to find a way to get graphics files for free legally.
02:21:23 <simon444> someone should add that feature to the bot
02:22:12 <gamer1682> anyways, do you know where I can find the TTD demo?
02:22:24 <Digitalfox_Notebook> What do you mean " graphics files for free legally " ?
02:22:41 <Digitalfox_Notebook> yes there was at least tto
02:23:10 <simon444> Digitalfox_Notebook, he means a way to get to a country with no copyright law for free
02:24:04 <gamer1682> or use the demo of a game and extract the graphics files from that
02:24:20 <Digitalfox_Notebook> gamer1682: you want a link for downloading the files?
02:24:25 <simon444> ttd is some that should be in the public domain
02:24:43 <simon444> Digitalfox_Notebook, that wont be legal
02:25:03 <simon444> and I must remind you I am a CIA agent
02:25:11 <Digitalfox_Notebook> And you realise the only legal way is buying it?
02:25:39 <gamer1682> yeah, the only problem with that is that theres no copies left
02:25:49 <gamer1682> unless you live in the UK.
02:25:53 <simon444> gamer1682, I got a copy
02:26:05 <gamer1682> I mean copies you can buy
02:26:14 <simon444> gamer1682, I can sell it to you for $50
02:27:09 <gamer1682> you can buy them for about $20.00 here
02:27:24 <gamer1682> i mean more like $30.00
02:27:48 <gamer1682> but for USD that is still a little expensive for a game that came out in 95'
02:28:26 <gamer1682> im not for sure if I want to or not
02:28:37 <gamer1682> I bought Locomotion for $10 USD
02:29:45 <gamer1682> im just looking for something I can play on my PSP
02:30:38 <Digitalfox_Notebook> gamer1682: Anyway before i leave go here and maybe one of those links might be from a country you like :)
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02:32:10 <gamer1682> wait can you send that link again digital fox?
02:32:32 <gamer1682> wait what laguage was simutrans programmed in?
02:33:13 <simon444> gamer1682, don't click! it is a trap
02:35:19 <simon444> that is secret information
02:36:15 <gamer1682> why is it secret info?
02:37:38 <simon444> that is the Government's business
02:39:29 <gamer1682> was simutrans programmed in lua?
02:41:59 <Xera> Does anyone in here use OpenTTD-PSP and know a fix for the high pitch in game sounds?
02:42:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10700 /trunk/src/ (industry.h industry_cmd.cpp newgrf_industries.cpp):
02:42:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Enable to jump (by default) to the overriding industry tile spec of the one been queried.
02:42:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Only on certain very specific circumstances do we need the original spec
02:42:29 <Turulo> Hi Xera, i do, currently im the one who ports it
02:42:38 <Belugas> simutrans is programmed in C++
02:42:57 <Turulo> and its an sdl_sound issue, or at least i think so
02:42:58 <gamer1682> is there any way to port simutrans to PSP?
02:43:01 <Turulo> i never bothered about
02:43:12 <Belugas> i very much do doubt that
02:43:19 <Turulo> gamer1682 why do you want to play simutrans on PSP when you have openttd?
02:43:31 <gamer1682> I need graphics files for openttd
02:43:41 <gamer1682> personally I don't want to break the law
02:43:59 <Belugas> on ebay, i kinda remembre you can find some copies of ttd
02:44:05 <Turulo> you dont have and old copy of ttd?
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02:44:26 <Turulo> well Digitalfox_Notebook pointed you where to get the files
02:44:27 <gamer1682> I have locomotion but not ttd
02:44:38 <Turulo> and you can use them while you wait for your copy of the game
02:44:58 <gamer1682> im out of money right now and on a low budget.
02:45:04 <Turulo> its really better than simutrans, at least for me
02:45:25 <gamer1682> wait, is there a TTD demo?
02:45:29 <Xera> Turulo, will there ever be a fix?
02:45:52 <Turulo> well porting simutrans to PSP would take more time than earning the money to buy a ttd copy
02:46:31 <Turulo> Xera i never bothered about it, but i can take a look, as i was preparing 0.5.2 and not many bug fixes where pending
02:47:19 <gamer1682> wait, when do you guys expect the new graphics files to be finished?
02:48:23 <Turulo> i have no idea, anyway i think still will be faster to earn 10$ or less to buy ttd copy than waiting for that
02:48:34 <Digitalfox_Notebook> DON'T WAIT FOR THAT
02:49:16 <gamer1682> hey, does anyone know chris sawyer's email address?
02:49:30 <Turulo> maybe its on his website
02:50:03 <gamer1682> maybe we can email him to tell him to release TTD into public domain
02:50:51 <Turulo> i dont really know, but i think micropose has the rights
02:52:13 <gamer1682> microprose merged with atari?
02:52:21 <gamer1682> have you played atari today?
02:52:49 <gamer1682> thats why they released Locomotion
02:54:19 <Turulo> just take a look to this
02:56:24 <gamer1682> I'll have to reach hime through marjacq
02:57:30 <Turulo> well, its up to you, as much as i can tell you openttd is one of the best rts that you can play at psp
02:58:00 <gamer1682> what language was openttd programed in?
02:58:23 <Turulo> C, anyway the svn branch is moving to C++
02:58:48 <gamer1682> its amazing how light the programming is.
02:59:00 <gamer1682> you can put openttd on your palm pilot!
02:59:17 <Turulo> well it ran even lighter before
03:00:14 <gamer1682> you can't use tt's graphics files for ttd, right?
03:00:24 <simon444> move to obj.c+++#---
03:00:49 <simon444> gamer1682, just steal it
03:01:00 <simon444> gamer1682, I am looking for someone to lock up
03:01:34 <gamer1682> hey, if I can find a free way to get graphics files legally, everyone can.
03:01:39 <Turulo> really i dont really know if abandonware its legal or not
03:02:01 <Turulo> gamer1682 i dont think you can, as much you can do
03:02:18 <Turulo> but you still need ttd files
03:02:38 <gamer1682> its a shame they aren't completed yet.
03:03:05 <gamer1682> and even though its abandonware its still under copyright.
03:04:30 <gamer1682> is any one still working on the newgrf?
03:05:00 <Turulo> newgrf are just some town and train replacementes, or water etc..
03:05:15 <Turulo> if you mean the full graphics replacement, i dont really know
03:05:57 <Turulo> but i think they wanted to do it over 32bpp and still i dont know if stable branch of openttd will use 32bpp
03:06:40 <Turulo> some people wasnt happy about using 32bpp
03:06:50 <Turulo> i think openttd should stick to the original
03:06:58 <simon444> gamer1682, move to another country
03:07:06 <Turulo> anyway everyone is free to start a new branch
03:07:13 <simon444> gamer1682, email the copyright owner
03:07:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10701 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Make sure to not use an out of bound index when the index is specified by a grf file. It has a different meaning then.
03:07:34 <Turulo> im with simon444 moving to another country would be the best solution, lol
03:07:43 <Belugas> openttd already has the hability to run in 32bpp
03:08:08 <Turulo> Belugas you mean stable or svn?
03:08:08 <Belugas> the only thing is that the sets been developped right now are not the proper ones
03:08:26 <Belugas> stable is an oooooooold version
03:08:35 <simon444> maybe Gitmo would be a nice home for you
03:09:00 <Belugas> i really prefer trunk, believe me :)
03:09:49 <Belugas> have you tried newhouses? ttrs3?
03:09:53 <Turulo> last time i ported svn to psp didnt contained 32bpp so i suppose it was as old as current stable lol
03:10:31 <Belugas> i think i remember that...
03:10:55 <Belugas> yeah, you ported to psp and changed a few comments about who did what, or something like that...
03:10:56 <Turulo> then i should test trunk version at pc
03:11:12 <Belugas> and restart our port woith trunk :D
03:11:47 <Turulo> ok, i should sleep too
03:12:18 <Turulo> Belugas maybe you are thinking on the one who ported openttd to palmos
03:12:59 <Turulo> i never forgive the original developers
03:13:27 <Turulo> and code was released since the first version, not as the palm guy
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03:20:48 <Rubidium> I wonder what is still necessary for PSP support in trunk; TrueBrain has been quite busy with it a long time ago but did not finish it AFAIK
03:21:18 <Turulo> well we both worked hard on it
03:21:37 <Turulo> but didnt found a workaround for window sizes
03:22:00 <Turulo> because as much as PSP can do is 320x272
03:22:29 <Turulo> i can virtually display 640x??? but fonts look really pissed of
03:22:44 <Turulo> as really it only displays 320x272
03:23:23 <Turulo> WindowResize works fine for saveload screen, viewport, an so..
03:23:43 <Turulo> but isnt working for toolbars, network window, and some others
03:24:15 <Turulo> and duplicating window definition for PC and PSP wasnt a good approach
03:24:34 <Rubidium> I agree with that last one
03:24:49 <Turulo> then there is still a problem there..
03:25:06 <Turulo> as WindowResize is a workaround in some cases
03:25:14 <Rubidium> I think most windows can be made resizable
03:25:17 <Turulo> but other windows, and toolbars are still a problem
03:25:30 <Rubidium> what windows are a real problem?
03:25:57 <Turulo> network servers window
03:26:00 <Rubidium> network window is simple I guess, make it resizable and you're practically done
03:26:22 <Turulo> wait there are some more... let me search
03:27:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10702 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Fix: "Can't build ..." instead of "Can't remove ..." message shown for road stops for trucks/cargo trams.
03:28:05 <Turulo> newgrf window wansnt resizable
03:28:38 <Turulo> money statics graphs werent resizable
03:28:49 <Turulo> at least on stable, i dindt looked trunk lately
03:29:07 <Turulo> smallmap window wasnt resizable too
03:29:26 <Rubidium> smallmap has been resizable for a long time
03:29:42 <Turulo> as i told you i didnt looked at svn lately
03:29:43 <Rubidium> i.e. from before 0.5
03:30:23 <Turulo> ok i dont really remember as most of the window fixes where done too long ago
03:30:47 <Rubidium> just fetch the 0.5 diff I guess
03:30:56 <Turulo> the depot window to buy trains was to large too
03:31:16 <Turulo> probably can also use WindowResize()
03:31:43 <Turulo> then i will take a look to svn
03:31:56 <Turulo> to see which windows are pending
03:32:19 <Turulo> anyway toolbar and statusbar are still a problem
03:32:29 <Rubidium> it looks wider than 320x272 in the screenshot at the website
03:32:53 <Turulo> belive me all those screens are 320x272
03:33:05 <Turulo> but toolbar and status bar are ugly hacked
03:33:33 <Turulo> some icons are cut to half size
03:33:36 <Rubidium> then I'll blame libpng for saying they aren't
03:33:55 <Turulo> which screenshot do you mean?
03:33:55 <Rubidium> they're 480x272 (or at least that's what libpng tells met)
03:34:22 <Turulo> you are right its 480x272
03:35:44 <Turulo> Rubidium i also have a stupid patch for openttd to run properly on ps3
03:36:11 <Rubidium> stupid patch being adding makefile support only?
03:36:47 <Turulo> ps3 hangs when listing network games
03:37:11 <Turulo> reseting the socket to nonblocking fixes it
03:38:03 <Turulo> i dont know if dcc would work, im behing a firewall
03:38:34 <Turulo> i meant the patch is just 1 line
03:39:01 <Turulo> // Try to receive anything
03:39:01 <Turulo> + SetNonBlocking(udp);
03:39:01 <Turulo> nbytes = recvfrom(udp, p->buffer, packet_len, 0, (struct sockaddr *)&cli
03:39:01 <Turulo> ent_addr, &client_len);
03:39:19 <Turulo> anyway i can send it to your openttd mail
03:39:26 <Turulo> if you want to apply it
03:39:45 <Rubidium> that sounds like a broken OS :(
03:40:05 <Turulo> psp and ps3 ip stacks behave similar
03:40:26 <Turulo> anyway i think the ip stack from sony is based on openbsd one
03:40:27 <Rubidium> besides that ps3 compiles out of the box?
03:40:44 <Turulo> sure, ps3 runs linux by default
03:41:09 <Turulo> i mean it can run linux, to play ps3 games it uses it own OS
03:41:26 <Rubidium> I wonder whether there is a #define that is set for both PSP as PS3 when compiling
03:41:47 <Turulo> i dont think there is one for ps3
03:42:28 <Turulo> for psp there is --host=psp at configure time
03:43:27 <Rubidium> if PS3 is just running plain linux that might be a problem
03:43:43 <Turulo> yeps it runs plain linux
03:43:51 <Rubidium> but I reckon there must be something in a header file telling it is PS3
03:43:55 <Turulo> as much as can be done is detect arch
03:44:18 <Turulo> or looking for /proc/cpuinfo
03:45:08 <Turulo> let me boot linux at the ps3
03:46:40 <Xera> Before I go, what do the little pin icons on each window do?
03:46:48 <Turulo> Linux Ps3 2.6.21-gea96f0cb #12 SMP PREEMPT Sat May 5 00:42:03 CEST 2007 ppc64 Cell Broadband Engine, altivec supported GNU/Linux
03:47:10 <Turulo> what do you mean by little pin icons?
03:47:26 <Xera> opposite side to the close button
03:47:45 <Turulo> ohh it keeps the window on top
03:48:01 <Turulo> but isnt really usefull on psp as it doesnt have a big screen
03:48:11 <Turulo> so you will be really wanting to see scenario
03:49:30 <Rubidium> Turulo: where can you download the development kit for PS3?
03:50:11 <Turulo> well PSP and PS3 sdk are sony copyrighted
03:50:19 <Turulo> and cost a fre hundreds of bucks
03:50:37 <Turulo> also you must be employee from a game studio
03:50:52 <Turulo> for psp guys at ps2dev.com
03:51:18 <Turulo> made a free one which i use
03:51:33 <Turulo> for ps3 there is also a free sdk
03:51:44 <Turulo> but there is not way to run those executables onto ps3
03:52:00 <Turulo> so the only way is booting linux
03:52:27 <Turulo> it not the same generating code for the game OS than the linux OS
03:53:08 <Turulo> if you want to build binaries for linux ps3, you can just build gcc, binutils and so
03:53:13 <Turulo> as a normal cross compiler
03:53:43 <Turulo> Target: powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu
03:54:29 <Turulo> not that is an approach to make an sdk from the game OS
03:54:40 <Turulo> where only sony can execute binaries
03:54:52 <Turulo> you must use gcc as cross compiler
03:55:02 <Rubidium> hmm, so you have to make that environment yourself
03:55:12 <Turulo> as you would do, to generate for example sparc binaries from a i386 box
03:55:26 <Turulo> yeps, and no hacked gcc is needed
03:55:41 <Turulo> just configuring gcc, binutils and so as target powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu
03:56:09 <Rubidium> as I can imagine a Mac G5 (i.e. ppc64) would have the exact same environment
03:56:26 <Turulo> if it runs linux probably
03:56:34 <Turulo> anyway i havent tested it
03:57:38 <Turulo> because you can create a cross compiler for ppc64-linux or ppc64-macos
03:57:51 <Turulo> i compile binaries from linux i386 for sparc solaris
03:58:05 <Turulo> so as long as target would be powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu
03:58:10 <Turulo> i think it should work
03:58:17 <Rubidium> I know you can cross-compile
03:58:49 <Turulo> ok, sorry i wanted to mean that not only arch can be changed, also the target OS
03:59:06 <Turulo> so ppc64-darwin wouldnt be valid
03:59:20 <Rubidium> but what you've told me so far there is no way to actually determine whether it is running on a PS3
03:59:44 <Turulo> well there are some specific ps3 linux headers
03:59:51 <Turulo> for the cell broadband engine
04:00:04 <Turulo> but those headers are not present on every ps3
04:00:13 <Turulo> just if you installed them
04:00:19 <Rubidium> but you don't need to have those headers
04:00:44 <Rubidium> and as you just said, they don't give you insurance you've got PS3
04:00:48 <Turulo> maybe looking for arch equal to "ppc64 Cell Broadband Engine"
04:01:39 <Turulo> well then it would look like any arch running linux does
04:01:48 <Turulo> it actually looks, sorry
04:02:33 <Turulo> as much as can be done is looking for specific hardware
04:02:45 <Turulo> or network device, and so
04:02:47 <Rubidium> could always check PPC + 64 bits + not OSX and then just always do the NonBlocking
04:03:11 <Turulo> well im using gentoo, some people runs OS on 32bits
04:03:30 <Turulo> and some people may be running ppc + 64bit + linux
04:03:35 <Turulo> on their mac computers
04:03:59 <Rubidium> true, but SetNonBlocking wouldn't really hurt, except for a little performance
04:04:29 <Turulo> anyway i havent tested openttd under openbsd to see if it behaves similar
04:04:44 <Turulo> because its supposed PSP and PS3 ip stack are derived from openbsd
04:04:55 <Turulo> maybe openbsd needs it too
04:05:00 <Rubidium> or just check ppc + not OSX, eliminates most people
04:05:13 <Rubidium> Turulo: if that was the case we would've heard about it
04:05:43 <Rubidium> we've had some OpenBSD fixes lately and none were about locking network issues
04:05:47 <Turulo> i suppose... really i dont know if too much people is running openttd online on their openbsd boxes
04:06:28 <Turulo> ip stack from openbsd on ps3 running linux sounds stupid
04:06:39 <Turulo> but linux really runs under a hypervisor
04:06:55 <Turulo> its like a virtual machine, so the ip stack would finally be the ps3 one
04:07:34 <Rubidium> which is the reason it's only an issue for ps3 :(
04:08:05 <Turulo> if you apply the patch you should enable setnonbloking on both archs
04:08:50 <Turulo> there is platform : PS3
04:09:38 <Turulo> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep platform | cut -d ":" -f2
04:10:11 <Rubidium> not during compilation :(
04:10:29 <Turulo> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep platform | awk '{ print $3 }'
04:10:34 <Turulo> well that would be better
04:10:49 <Turulo> but it can be used on configure time
04:11:01 <Turulo> or for stable version at the Makefile
04:11:05 <Turulo> on the os detection code
04:11:50 <Rubidium> if I run configure here to make a ppc64 linux binary, it will not get PS3 when it cats cpuinfo
04:12:14 <Turulo> it wont work on cross compiling
04:12:32 <Turulo> but for cross compiling --host=ps3 should be used
04:13:09 <Turulo> if someone is compiling it under a ps3 it would work
04:14:06 <Turulo> i think truelight was wanting to use --host=psp when generating nightlies
04:14:33 <Rubidium> yes, but that's because psp is a completely different architecture or so
04:14:40 <Rubidium> ps3 is just plain old linux
04:15:02 <Rubidium> (that's ran on a hypervisor)
04:15:02 <Turulo> well i think when someone is cross compiling, try to always use --host=arch
04:15:23 <Turulo> so would be worthwhile
04:15:41 <Rubidium> but arch would be ppc64-unknown-linux-gnu (IIRC)
04:15:42 <Turulo> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep platform | awk '{ print $3 }' would work for in box compilation
04:16:56 <Turulo> i cand send you both the one line patch to see what you both agree
04:17:10 <Turulo> maybe truelight has some other idea
04:17:39 <Turulo> which we are missing..
04:18:08 <Rubidium> TrueLight == TrueBrain
04:18:22 <Rubidium> but he's asleep I guess
04:18:45 <Turulo> but he would read it when wake up
04:19:38 <Turulo> also releasing ps3 binaries would be nice :)
04:20:03 <Turulo> but cross compiler may be a pain
04:20:05 <Rubidium> just some ppc64-linux binaries ;)
04:20:30 <Rubidium> it's plain linux, so I guess it ain't a pain
04:20:37 <Turulo> yeps the worst would be setting up the cross compiler
04:20:37 <Rubidium> OSX on the other hand...
04:20:48 <Turulo> well it takes some time you know
04:21:00 <Turulo> compiling gcc, binutils, glibc takes some time
04:22:26 <Turulo> arg also you can find 64bit environments and 32bit ones
04:23:05 <Turulo> most of ps3 distros use 32bit, but for example i use gentoo at ps3, and recompiled everything for 64bit
04:23:25 <Turulo> and didnt installed 32bit compat env
04:23:44 <Rubidium> joy, 2 extra binaries
04:23:59 <Rubidium> TrueBrain is going to be so happy ;)
04:24:22 <Turulo> yeps i just meant that generating cross compilers its kind of boring
04:24:45 <Turulo> and too much compile time
04:25:03 <Turulo> sdl, freetype, libpng...
04:25:46 <Turulo> also take some disk space, lol
04:26:23 <Turulo> ok then i will send you both an email
04:28:16 <Rubidium> then I'll continue sleeping ;)
04:28:54 <Turulo> lol, im gonna dinner at 6:00 am now and sleep too :P
04:29:19 <Turulo> i will review svn on psp this week and let you know
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04:53:50 <Smoky555> hi! Can i see channel history somewhere?
04:59:44 <Turulo> De_Ghost yes, playstation portable
05:01:07 <Turulo> Smoky555 i dont think there is a web log from openttd channel
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06:50:45 <TheMask96> Smoky555: see above :)
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08:18:13 <Smoovious> ok, got a question... if I start a game with indutries set to none, willl industries still appear during the course of the game or am I stuck with none throughout... (I want to run random maps with no initial industries, but still want t hem to appear)
08:28:03 <phryx> Smoovious: they should, but still at a slow pace, you can always focus on passangers and build your own industries when you can afford them taken that you have the resources to use them.
08:33:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10703 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt:
08:33:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-07-27 10:33:19
08:33:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 1 fixed, 6 changed by knovak (7)
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08:47:52 <Smoovious> the slow pace is just fine. :)
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09:17:57 <ln-> GetCurrentLocale() implementation for Win32 and OS X.
09:19:38 <ln-> i.e. that enables selecting the game language based on user's preferences on first startup.
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09:20:41 <ln-> that has worked for a long time under Linux and others (thanks to my previous patch, and tron).
09:22:23 <skidd13> peter1138: What's your problem with the performance meter patch?
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09:28:08 <skidd13> ln-: He does not like that it has a GUI, and the size of the code. But IMO both are no real reasons against it. Arguable, true.
09:32:50 <ln-> skidd13: the ottd project is not famous for a liberal patch acceptance policy.
09:35:23 <skidd13> ln-: IMO persistence pays always off.
09:37:18 <Smoovious> just keep taking their critiques and implement them... I still hope my chat patch, and subidies patch, wiill make it in, and as long as they're still giving me feedback, I'll keep tweaking... (tho the subsidies patch is on hold u ntil I see how newindustries turns out)
09:40:24 <skidd13> Smoovious: Sure but are you willed to sync a patch for more than a few months? Cause trunk changes quickly at this project.
09:41:08 <Smoovious> yes, in fact, I periodically make sure the conflicts that come up are resolved...
09:41:44 <Smoovious> if a patch isn't worth being maintained by the author, then perhaps it isn't worth being inlcuded in trunk... IMHO...
09:42:35 <skidd13> If you got no feedback the patch isn't worth the work. IMO
09:43:53 <Smoovious> what the patch is worth, is individually up to the author...
09:44:09 <Smoovious> so if t he author doesn't think it i s worth i t... .. .
09:44:14 <Smoovious> I believe mine, are
09:44:42 <skidd13> And hey some of the dev's patches are less commented than the style manual requests. This is realy annoying. Let's skip this topic.
09:44:49 <Smoovious> and ChrisIN is using t hem both now. :)
09:45:13 <peter1138> anyway, your patch as on fs doesn't work
09:45:29 <skidd13> ? what's wrong with it?
09:45:35 <peter1138> gah, new openttd.grf :o
09:46:09 <skidd13> Two icons are not worth a new file.
09:49:03 <peter1138> no, patch is just annoying though :(
09:49:17 <peter1138> needs some way of including binary files :o
09:49:29 <peter1138> "fps" is more common
09:49:46 <peter1138> why does it switch from 30 to 40 in current? heh
09:50:09 <peter1138> basically, i don't see why it needs a window, a start/stop button, and a new icon
09:50:52 <Noldo> Smoovious: so the subborness of the author is the way to measure the usefullness and worthyness of a patch?
09:50:55 <peter1138> just "30 fps" in the corner of the screen, or something
09:51:12 <Smoovious> Noldo... not stubbornness...
09:51:13 <skidd13> I wondered too, cause I get 40 instead of 30.
09:51:13 <skidd13> Normal users like GUI, only hackers like non GUI variants ;)
09:51:34 <peter1138> most game fps counters don't have a complete window with buttons :p
09:51:39 <Smoovious> Noldo... but t he lack of support of your own work, is certainly an i ndication o f how little t he author thinks o f it
09:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> <peter1138> just "30 fps" in the corner of the screen, or something <- in the status bar maybe?
09:51:52 <skidd13> Sure but the GUI is mor than an FPS counter.
09:52:54 <peter1138> what are the two modes?
09:53:02 <Smoovious> what is the usefulneess of an FPS counter anyways... only time I'd u se something is mainly during debugging... otherwise, leave it off... why waste the processor resources on it all the time?
09:53:12 <Noldo> Smoovious: yes, but that works only when comparing to patches from the same author
09:53:31 <Smoovious> Noldo... we disagree
09:53:34 <skidd13> Frames (Ticks) per Realtime second and Ticks per cpu second
09:54:00 <Smoovious> Noldo... the point about i t was t ho, about keeping the patches current to trunk...
09:54:09 <Smoovious> resollving conflicts, etc
09:54:10 <skidd13> Realtime has outer influence, Cpu/Process time not.
09:54:22 <peter1138> the second mode doesn't seem to do anything
09:54:27 <peter1138> just shows "10.0 T/cs"
09:55:01 <Smoovious> if you want something added to trunk, be prepared to do the work to keep it c urrent... the less work the devs have to do, the less likely they are to just toss i t cuz it'll require too much work to graft i t in
09:55:20 <skidd13> wait a while or activate FF or load a savegame with lots of vehicles
09:55:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> <skidd13> Frames (Ticks) per Realtime second and Ticks per cpu second <- and why can't this be a simple 3-way patch setting?
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09:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> fps=off|cpu|real
09:56:12 <peter1138> ctrl-click for a 10 second timer doesn't seem very useful
09:57:32 <skidd13> Eddi|zuHause3: I don't thought over this. But maybe there'll be more than one performance meter allowed for thread perfomance (Future usage in mind)
09:57:52 <skidd13> peter1138: What do you suggest instead of ctrl-click
09:58:44 <peter1138> i mean the 10 second timer
09:59:48 <skidd13> Hmm, I prefer the usage of the timer.
10:02:26 <skidd13> peter1138: Defined begin and defined end, so IMO clean thing. To get a basic overview 10 secs are enough time.
10:03:15 <MiHaMiX> ln-: looks good to me, but IANAD :)
10:07:46 <skidd13> peter1138: What is more interesting to me is the current processor icon ok? Take a close look at it.
10:09:10 <peter1138> why is an icon interesting?
10:09:36 <skidd13> Take a close look, and you know why.
10:09:44 <peter1138> well, i can't, i reverted it :p
10:11:57 <skidd13> peter1138: take a look at the updated screenshot
10:12:10 <peter1138> what is interesting about it?
10:12:32 <skidd13> the icon in the rigght bottom of the GUI.
10:13:21 <skidd13> If you don't see it, probably nobody will notice.
10:13:33 <peter1138> i see the icon. i don't see anything special about it
10:13:45 <skidd13> There is an icon on the icon.
10:14:11 <peter1138> there are 6 green pixels
10:14:42 <skidd13> Remember who produces processors and has a green logo.
10:15:43 <peter1138> well it doesn't really look anything like AMD's logo
10:15:53 <peter1138> and really, that is not in the least bit interesting
10:16:29 <Rubidium> wtf are cpu seconds?
10:17:03 <skidd13> the seconds of prog runtime on the CPU
10:17:44 <Rubidium> and how do you determine that?
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10:19:33 <Rubidium> that doesn't say anything about the cpu-seconds
10:20:13 <Rubidium> cpu seconds == amount of seconds the CPU was busy for the application, not amount of seconds passed in real time
10:20:34 <Brianetta> cpu seconds are rare. I normally only see cpu milliseconds.
10:22:11 <skidd13> Rubidium: That link wasn't the documentation what I used. It's a bit difficult to post my C++ book.
10:22:16 <Brianetta> Why's Truelight called DorpsGek?
10:22:40 <Brianetta> TrueBrain is Truelight
10:23:59 <skidd13> The result of clock() is the time that is used by the process. So it should be indepandant from the environment (That was what I had in mind).
10:25:07 <Brianetta> indepandant means that you're somehow involved with the pandas' nt system?
10:25:20 <skidd13> I'm no native english, so forgive me my mistakes.
10:25:57 <Noldo> skidd13: just let them have their fun, it's nothing serious
10:26:34 <skidd13> Noldo: I don't take it serious. ;)
10:26:43 <ln-> skidd13: that's exactly why you should know how to spell. native english speakers generally do not know.
10:27:53 <skidd13> ln-: One word 4 U -> context
10:29:55 <Wezz6400> skidd13 I think that for the majority of people on this channel english is not their native language :)
10:35:29 <skidd13> Wezz6400: I thing so too.
10:35:29 <skidd13> ln-: No offence intended. ;) I'm willed to learn.
10:44:56 <skidd13> Damned false friends. In german you say "gewillt".
10:47:12 <skidd13> Back to the patch. Any additional comments?
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10:50:24 <ln-> what kind of a logo is drawn on PPC platform?
10:59:28 <peter1138> ln-: an interesting arrangement of 6 green pixels, probably
11:01:23 <skidd13> It's more or less a little easter-egg I put in the patch.
11:03:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> i thought we don't do easter eggs
11:04:26 <skidd13> I remember there's a sponge bob in a big GRF.
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11:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> toyland should really have an easter egg (literally :p)
11:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> that requires newindustries :p
11:24:15 <XeryusTC> replace the rough landscape with a giant egg sticking out of the ground
11:24:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm afraid 85% of newindustries is not enough
11:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> you know the 90-90 rule?
11:24:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> 90% of the time is spent on 90% of the code
11:25:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> the other 90% of the time are spent on the last 10% of the code
11:25:40 <hylje> i think its closer to 80/20
11:26:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is exactly the point :)
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12:49:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10704 /trunk/src/ (39 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: provide an infrastructure to have resizable windows that are smaller than the default window size.
12:51:43 <hylje> that many changes for such a trivial feature?
12:55:11 <Rubidium> that many window descriptions that need the minimum size added
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13:13:19 <De_Ghost> how you do math fun with c++?
13:13:56 <hylje> by operator overloading
13:16:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> you mean like SIX*NINE==42?
13:17:59 <RichK67> my guess is he wants to access functions like cos ( x ), in which case you need to have #include <math.h>, or whatever it is ... memory gone... its friday afternoon
13:18:43 <Rubidium> as long as De_Ghost knows that anything floating pointish must not be used in OTTD
13:21:50 <peter1138> my fps counter uses floating points
13:21:54 <peter1138> i doubt that matters :p
13:22:31 <valhallasw`gone> I doubt it needs floating points
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13:24:30 <De_Ghost> that .01 variation in frams makes a big difference !!
13:24:45 <peter1138> it doesn't need it, no
13:31:26 <valhallasw> wheels do need floating point precision
13:31:36 <valhallasw> what would happen if pi suddenly was 3 O_o
13:31:49 <valhallasw> octagonal wheels or sth? :D
13:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> but Pi _IS_ 3, the bible says it (1 Kings 7:23)
13:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> btw, a pi of 3 would imply hexagonal wheels
13:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> square wheels mean pi is 4
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13:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> octagonal wheels are somewhere inbetween
13:39:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> btw, a "wheel" of the shape of a regular polygon with n edges is perfectly valid if the space/time continuum is quantized in a way that the wheel only makes turns of multiples of 360°/n
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14:59:14 <JazzyJaffa> I have a question about code style: When accessing a private data member of a class is it preferred to include the "this"? ie "this->m_member" or "m_member" I've seen both done in the code.
15:02:13 <DorpsGek> ln-: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 15 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <Bjarni> I should really read everything said in here before saying anything :s
15:02:18 <peter1138> the original bits of c++ were done on a brevity basis, not explicit.
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15:03:54 <JazzyJaffa> ok, thanks. I'm guessing for static members it makes sense to skip the this?
15:04:04 <peter1138> for static members you can't use this
15:04:21 <JazzyJaffa> ah, ok, never tried!
15:04:36 <JazzyJaffa> its obvious now I think about it, doh.
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16:45:23 <skidd13> Can I manipulate a String(ID) in an external function with SetDParam() and retrun the resulting string?
16:45:58 <Maedhros> that depends on how you want to manipulate it
16:46:06 <Maedhros> SetDParam doesn't change the string at all
16:47:19 <skidd13> I have a string with 3 <string> gaps and want to fill in there other strings.
16:53:55 <Maedhros> SetDParam sets global variables, which don't get evaluated when you call DrawString / GetString
16:55:47 <skidd13> Hmm, that should suffice for me.
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19:09:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10705 /trunk/src/window.cpp:
19:09:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r10704): some windows were not correctly initialized as they resized the window themselves and that should be interfered by making sure the window is resized in the right "step" size.
19:09:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r10704): call the WE_RESIZE when resizing during initialization of the windows.
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19:18:23 <Sacro> another silly game for you all
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19:58:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10706 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: allow resizing the multiplayer server list window.
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21:21:53 <HMage> my apologies for joinflooding.
21:28:08 <Maedhros> it's still broken, as far as a i remember (there are problems with 2 trains using the crossing at once)
21:28:18 <Maedhros> and it's a _long_ time since i've looked at it
21:28:41 <Digitalfox_Desktop> But do you still have interest in seeing it in trunk?
21:29:28 <Maedhros> not at the moment, thus the reason it isn't ;)
21:29:47 <ln-> who is the official win32 developer?
21:31:17 <Maedhros> people who (can) compile with win32 include KUDr, glx, and sometimes Rubidium, i think
21:31:54 <Prof_Frink> ln-: You mean: "who are the official win32 developers! developers! developers! developers! developers!?"
21:31:59 <Belugas> which is not the case right not
21:32:31 <RichK67_> let's guess from the typing quality... Belugas is down the pub :)
21:32:38 <ln-> and which one of them dare to commit patches?
21:32:52 <Belugas> nope. still stuck in this goddamnd office
21:33:12 <RichK67_> we all do (what are you getting at ln-??)
21:34:08 <ln-> seems like people are not afraid of anything nowadays.
21:35:50 <Maedhros> ln-: btw, you can use lengthof(x) instead of sizeof(x)/sizeof(type)
21:46:02 <KUDr> ok, will test it and commit (if no problems)
21:46:23 <ln-> ok, thank you in advance.
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21:48:20 <glx> ln-: does it work if unicode is disabled?
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21:49:25 <ln-> glx: hmm, i don't recall the documentation saying anything about those functions being Unicode-specific.
21:50:07 <ln-> hmm.. that's a good point, yes.
21:52:25 <glx> with WCHAR you are supposing that GetLocaleInfo is always replaced by GetLocaleInfoW
21:52:41 <glx> but it's true only for unicode builds
21:53:43 <ln-> KUDr: so changing WCHAR -> TCHAR could be a good idea.
21:54:31 <ln-> ok, just making sure you were still following the discussion.
21:55:11 <glx> LOCALE_SISO* are not available for win95
21:56:30 <ln-> yeah, so it seems, Win98/Me, NT 4.0 and later.
21:57:26 <KUDr> so it will fail and return NULL
21:58:49 <glx> but the sprintf line seems wrong
21:59:44 <glx> mixing WCHAR params and char result
22:00:28 <KUDr> but 1) windoze doesn't run on BE cpus, 2) i removed WCHARS
22:00:58 <Rubidium> Maedhros: technically I can compile Windows binaries, but that is as far as it goes; don't have the environment to run them
22:01:02 <ln-> that's based on the assumption that values of ASCII letters as WCHARs are equal to normal ASCII values.
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22:01:26 <RichK67_> quickie question... given an array of bytes pointed to by *blocklist.... can you tell how long the list is?? void Initialise(byte *blocklist);
22:02:10 <glx> should use _stprintf and FS2OTTD
22:02:12 <RichK67_> damn... ill have to pass the length as well then
22:02:37 <ln-> KUDr: yeah, or at least would not work with printf on BE.
22:03:15 <KUDr> can there be non ascii chars?
22:03:46 <ln-> glx: but KUDr changed WCHARs to chars already
22:04:22 <glx> oh right you force ansi version of GetLocaleInfo
22:04:32 <KUDr> and sprintf isn't on all compilers?
22:04:42 <ln-> sprintf is standard ANSI C
22:05:05 <glx> _stprintf is the one dependant on unicode (like TCHAR)
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22:09:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10707 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: account for the main toolbar and status bar when determining the maximum height for a window.
22:10:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10708 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: allow automatic downsizing of the smallmap window in case of low resolutions; one could already make the window smaller, but the resize button was unreachable.
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22:11:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10709 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: allow automatic downsizing of the load game/save game windows. These windows also already supported downsizing, but again the resize button would be unreachable.
22:13:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10710 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Codechange: allow automatic downsizing of the group window. Same as idea as for the previous commits, i.e. you could already do so but the button would be out of reach.
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22:19:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10711 /trunk/src/ (strings.cpp win32.cpp): -Fix [Win32]: take default language from current user's locale on Windows (In-)
22:19:58 <Belugas> interesting... you're dong stuff on osx too?
22:20:30 <Belugas> not you KUDr :) ln- ;)
22:20:49 <glx> ln-: but Bjarni is not here
22:20:58 <ln-> sometimes. more often than windows stuff.
22:21:05 <Belugas> glx, that's the point of asking :)
22:21:15 <ln-> 'I' and 'l' look so much the same.
22:21:43 <KUDr> ln-: so you can help me to prepare compile environment on mac
22:21:58 <RichK67_> kudr: just a quick check... did you confirm British English vs US English vs International English... i would hate to be dumped into American ;)
22:22:33 <KUDr> RichK67_: set your country to GB
22:22:38 <Maedhros> with these patches, is there any point in keeping GetCurrentLocale in strings.cpp and not moving it to unix.cpp?
22:23:01 <glx> KUDr: d:/developpement/ottd/trunk/src/win32.cpp:1279: warning: embedded `\0' in format
22:23:08 <RichK67_> okies, that will be ok then :)
22:24:37 <KUDr> ln-: when will be good time for you?
22:26:31 <ln-> KUDr: well, i'm still awake, so go ahead and ask. what version of mac os x are you running, btw?
22:26:49 <ln-> although, in any case the first thing to do is to download Xcode tools.
22:27:06 <KUDr> 10.4 I must go back to work and take it home
22:27:25 <KUDr> then you can connect using VNC or mac shared desktop
22:28:00 <KUDr> normal development works
22:28:13 <KUDr> also strip is there but makefile lies
22:28:49 <KUDr> so everything works fine except ottd makefile
22:29:45 <ln-> so strip is there and you can run it, but ottd makefile doesn't want to find it?
22:30:49 <KUDr> i dunno what strip is for but wheni type 'strip' it tels something like 'missing arguments'
22:31:17 <ln-> isn't strip that tool that strips debug symbols from a binary.
22:31:21 <KUDr> same as it wants me to define where is CC and CXX
22:31:43 <KUDr> gcc works fine there and g++ too
22:32:09 <KUDr> maybe you are right with strip i dunno
22:32:40 <glx> I often use strip and upx
22:32:40 <ln-> gcc and g++ and strip are at /usr/bin, which definitely should be on everyone's $PATH..
22:33:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10712 /trunk/src/win32.cpp: -Fix (r10711): \0 at the end of string constant (glx)
22:33:33 <KUDr> i think it is in $PATH because i don't need to specify path when using it
22:33:50 <ln-> did you run ./configure first?
22:34:04 <KUDr> this is what configure tells
22:34:26 <KUDr> and need define where CC and CXX are
22:34:44 <KUDr> everything else looked normally
22:35:54 <KUDr> will you wait ca 45 mins?
22:36:24 <KUDr> or 1 hour including me starting VNC there ....
22:36:40 <ln-> i can't promise i would be awake anymore..
22:37:05 <KUDr> because otherwise it can stay where it is
22:37:15 <KUDr> and i don't need to travel
22:37:48 <KUDr> i ned to learn how to weak it up from sleep remotely
22:37:57 <KUDr> it is there connected but sleeping
22:38:31 <ln-> hmm, have you checked config.log to see if there's some additional info on why does it fail to find those things such as gcc?
22:38:59 <KUDr> i don't understand that stuff
22:39:18 <KUDr> i am mouse clicking stupid user
22:40:25 <KUDr> but it would be fine to have it compilable on mac
22:40:41 <KUDr> then i can do also mac stuff
22:41:02 <ln-> is that some recent version of Xcode tools? (although i don't see why should it fail on older versions either..)
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22:41:57 <Chris82> just compiled after fixing some code but I got 4 errors left
22:42:17 <ln-> KUDr: and it can compile code and produce executables?
22:43:24 <KUDr> it is really nice environment
22:43:57 <KUDr> i wish it is all-platforms
22:44:31 <ln-> despite some weaknesses, Xcode is better than any IDE i've seen on Linux.
22:44:50 <KUDr> xcode is fine for me too
22:45:30 <KUDr> i wish i can compile ottd there
22:45:57 <KUDr> what are you doing Sat and Sun? Are you available?
22:47:24 <KUDr> Chris82: wher did you take it from? >> "DrawFoundation(ti, ti->tileh)"
22:48:16 <glx> Chris82: for _build_bridge_desc, I think you didn't add min size
22:48:27 <ln-> i suppose I'll be here tomorrow night, maybe evening too. and most of sunday probably.
22:48:52 <KUDr> good, so i will go for it
22:49:08 <glx> Chris82: and for the latest add a !=0
22:49:26 <Chris82> KUDr: the DrawFoundation thing is from some patch I think
22:49:41 <KUDr> DrawFoundation(ti, GetRailFoundation(ti->tileh, track)) << it should look somehow so
22:50:22 <Chris82> I think that line is from the build under slopes patch
22:50:30 <Chris82> I was playing with it but it doesn't work
22:52:57 <Rubidium> Chris82: that's the danger of incorporating patches you've got absolutely no knowledge about
22:52:59 <Chris82> glx: hmm defining a minimum height gives me the same error
22:53:07 <Rubidium> any trunk change will give you an enormous headache
22:53:24 <Chris82> yeah just fixed 30 errors already
22:53:34 <Chris82> but these 4 are left and indeed give me some headaches ;)
22:53:40 <glx> ask the patches authors to fix them :)
22:53:58 <glx> if they don't remove the patch
22:54:32 <glx> <insert comma between "don't" and "remove"> ;)
22:54:33 <ln-> gaaah, VMware just rebooted my computer.
23:00:41 <Belugas> joy.. still working@work
23:01:05 <Prof_Frink> Belugas:... It's *tomorrow*
23:01:20 <Prof_Frink> Day changed to 28 Jul 2007
23:01:20 <Prof_Frink> [00:00:41] <@Belugas> joy.. still working@work
23:01:21 <KUDr> why, it is only 7 PM there or now?
23:01:41 <Belugas> [19:02] <KUDr> why, it is only 7 PM there or now? :)
23:02:08 <Belugas> but it is my last day of work before vacations, and i need to finish my stuff before leaving for 2 weeks
23:02:27 <Belugas> and let say they did overcharged me with "unexpected" problems
23:04:19 <KUDr> does somebody know how to get user's private directory in Java?
23:04:45 <Rubidium> System.GetToolKit.Getsomething("user.home.dir") or so
23:06:33 <KUDr> System.getenv("something")?
23:06:52 <Rubidium> System.GetProperty("user.home")
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23:06:59 <Rubidium> System.getProperty("user.home")
23:07:33 <Rubidium> haven't use java for over a year or two so it'
23:08:02 <KUDr> i didn't use it for 12 yrs and now i learn it again ;)
23:11:41 <Maedhros> Belugas: enjoy your holiday :)
23:11:53 <Belugas> i will, believe me, even if i will not dive :)
23:12:06 <Belugas> sadder note, i wold not be hable to touch a comuter too much either :(
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23:42:38 <Rubidium> Chris82: about the third error, it wasn't possible to write bridge_desc.height before the change to default_height
23:43:09 <Rubidium> but probably the person who wrote that patch unconsted bridge_desc
23:43:42 <Rubidium> the fourth is probably solved by v->... & VS -> (v->.. & VS) != 0
23:44:46 <Rubidium> the first two I can't solve (too little information and no incentive to work on that build "under" slopes patch)
23:50:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10713 /trunk/src/win32.cpp: -Cleanup (r10711): too long string buffers, unsafe sprintf used (Darkvater)
23:55:59 <Chris82> Rubidium: I removed the build under slopes patch as it wasn't working anyway even with the version it was programmed with
23:57:16 <Chris82> and yes unconsting fixed the issue :) so now all code compiles fine, only the build under slopes patch caused problems
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