IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-07-15
#openttd / 2007 / 07 
            

00:00:13  <SmatZ> the routefinding is something I wonder how can be done in a reasonable time



00:00:52  <Eddi|zuHause3> someone made a patch to use yapf for route building



00:01:07  <TrueBrain> PFs don't take that much time



00:01:17  <TrueBrain> my slow one I made long long ago



00:01:28  <TrueBrain> needed just 4 gamedays to walk a 1kx1k map



00:01:37  <TrueBrain> (without hogging the CPU)



00:01:46  <SmatZ> Rubidium said the approach with taking some points between A and B and connecting them to make the routefinding easier is a really bad approach ... I don't think so :) scanning whole 2048 ** 2 map is crazy for a pathfinder



00:02:10  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: is it running in a separate thread?



00:02:16  <TrueBrain> you clearly don't know how powerful pathfinders are



00:02:19  <TrueBrain> but you will see



00:02:25  <TrueBrain> AIs run in their own thread, yes



00:02:29  <TrueBrain> not parallel though



00:02:36  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause3: yes, I tested it, it was nice - but adding terraforming will probably slow it down a lot



00:03:05  <DeGhosty> time to optimise for duel core :D



00:03:24  <Eddi|zuHause3> the tricky part might be to let the YAPF calculation split over several game days, to keep load down



00:03:28  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: you are right, I don't, and I am looking forward to see how it will work :)



00:03:30  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10570 /trunk/src/industry.h:



00:03:30  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Add enum required for Callback 0x22: CBID_INDUSTRY_AVAILABLE



00:03:30  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Documentation: Add documentation for enum IndustryConstructionType, which describes how the industry has been created



00:03:36  <Sacro> zomg? is it done



00:03:37  <Eddi|zuHause3> because in those days, the map can change significantly



00:03:45  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: like a sharm :)



00:04:10  <Ailure> heh



00:04:18  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: sorry, what is 'sharm' ?



00:04:18  <Ailure> there needs to be a flag in autoreplace



00:04:29  <TrueBrain> charm



00:04:29  <Ailure> "Replace this engine only when it's old"



00:04:33  <TrueBrain> hmm



00:04:34  <TrueBrain> dunno



00:04:38  <TrueBrain> it will work flawless and nicely :)



00:04:47  <SmatZ> ahh :) yes



00:04:58  <Eddi|zuHause3> he probably means a "charm" ;)



00:05:19  <TrueBrain> pff, starting in 1950 with aircrafts is no fun at all



00:05:21  <Eddi|zuHause3> which is some kind of magic spell



00:05:27  <SmatZ> :)



00:05:57  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_006.png <- more fair :)



00:06:21  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: you really like the red player, he wins every game in your graphs :D



00:06:29  <TrueBrain> pure luck



00:06:53  <TrueBrain> it now first tries to take towns with pop > 2500, then > 2000, then > 1500, ...



00:06:58  <TrueBrain> and randomizes between them



00:07:00  <Belugas> nice AIs, TrueBrain



00:07:14  <TrueBrain> tnx Belugas :)



00:07:15  <Belugas> you shold cahnge your nick ;) TrueAI



00:07:20  <TrueBrain> haha :)



00:07:26  <SmatZ> :D



00:07:31  <TrueBrain> Phuket Air: [INFO] Station 11 has too many cargo, adding a new vehicle for the route.



00:07:31  <TrueBrain> Phuket Air: [INFO] Station 5 has too many cargo, adding a new vehicle for the route.



00:07:32  <TrueBrain> ...



00:07:33  <TrueBrain> :)



00:07:40  <TrueBrain> Phuket Air #4: [INFO] Sending 1262 to depot as profit is: 8811 / 8185



00:07:40  <TrueBrain> Phuket Air #4: [INFO] Selling 1178 as it finally is in a depot.



00:07:54  <TrueBrain> Red has 127 planes :)



00:07:56  <Belugas> Sacro, no it's not yet done :)



00:08:00  <Eddi|zuHause3> interesting name :p



00:08:03  <Sacro> Belugas: aww :(



00:08:16  <TrueBrain> performance score: 864 :)



00:08:18  <SmatZ> :)



00:08:23  <SmatZ> impressive



00:08:38  <TrueBrain> haha, loan...



00:08:44  <TrueBrain> I need to pay back loans if it is possible



00:08:46  <TrueBrain> an other 50 points :p



00:08:47  <Smoovious> TrueBrain... are you playing that locally? can we spectate?



00:08:52  <TrueBrain> locally, yes



00:08:56  <Smoovious> :(



00:09:01  <Belugas> I hope your heart is a good one :) If you're stressing everytime the word industry is in a commit, you would get some high tension :D



00:09:07  <TrueBrain> I am behind a big NAT, I can't allow incoming connections



00:09:23  <TrueBrain> but I might be able to connect my client to an external server, if it is running the correct trunk revision



00:09:47  <TrueBrain> LOL! It bought a helicopter



00:09:48  <TrueBrain> WTF?



00:09:56  <glx> I could host one (not all the time as my PC is shutdown when I sleep)



00:09:57  <Smoovious> that's  o, not worth the trouble... just wanted  to watch



00:10:02  <Smoovious> what's wrong with it buying a heli...



00:10:04  <Eddi|zuHause3> how do you handle replacing the airport if there are too many vehicles waiting?



00:10:05  <Sacro> TrueBrain: perhaps it wanted to take passengers to a rig



00:10:16  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: not



00:10:27  <TrueBrain> no, FindBestVehicle returns a helicopter



00:10:29  <Eddi|zuHause3> s/do/will/



00:10:44  <TrueBrain> as the specs are better



00:11:04  <DeGhosty> u shuld use every 100 capcity is a point



00:11:10  <DeGhosty> every 200km/h is apoint



00:11:16  <DeGhosty> highest point aircraft win



00:11:25  <TrueBrain> it now just takes the highest engine ID :)



00:11:27  <TrueBrain> also very nice ;)



00:11:30  <TrueBrain> but the idea is good yes



00:12:27  <DeGhosty> i wanna see ur cool ai



00:12:31  <DeGhosty> when does it come out?



00:12:34  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_007.png



00:12:37  <TrueBrain> a few years later



00:13:15  <TrueBrain> let's start in 2000



00:13:44  <DeGhosty> so long?



00:14:10  <TrueBrain> haha, Small Airport is no longer available



00:14:11  <TrueBrain> that sucks :p



00:15:36  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10571 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_list_valuator.cpp ai_list_valuator.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix r10569: about time I forgot to add some files



00:19:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10572 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_industries.cpp newgrf_industries.h): -Codechange: Add function CheckIfCallBackAllowsAvailability for industries



00:21:33  <TrueBrain> segfault



00:21:34  <TrueBrain> hmm



00:24:00  <TrueBrain> the vehicle picker is fucked up :p



00:24:07  <TrueBrain> the last EngineID doesn't work for airplanes



00:26:25  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10573 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Use function CheckIfCallBackAllowsAvailability for random map generation as well as for ingame random industry creation



00:29:43  <Eddi|zuHause3> "are we there yet?"



00:30:02  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_008.png



00:30:40  <Belugas> God no, Eddi|zuHause3...



00:30:48  <Eddi|zuHause3> :p



00:30:53  <Belugas> although i wish it was the case :)



00:31:08  <TrueBrain> so, there



00:31:16  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10574 /branches/noai/ (bin/ai/regression/regression.txt src/ai/api/ai_vehicle.cpp): [NoAI] -Fix: make a better BestVehicle detection for aircrafts



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00:31:45  <Eddi|zuHause3> why that large different between first and second company?



00:31:59  <TrueBrain> the green got lucky



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00:35:12  <TrueBrain> hmm, I never finish for NoAI the code that is needed to make an AI join a server



00:35:15  <TrueBrain> I should do that...



00:35:45  <TrueBrain> the AIs do have that, code-wise



00:35:50  <TrueBrain> just it misses code to really do it :p



00:36:08  <glx> server can host AIs



00:36:14  <TrueBrain> that is true



00:36:16  <Eddi|zuHause3> you could make the AI join your company



00:36:20  <Eddi|zuHause3> as a helper



00:36:25  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: that part isn't done



00:36:33  <glx> yeah let the AI manage the lines :)



00:37:46  <TrueBrain> takes 5 years for my AI to reach performance 900 :p



00:38:13  <TrueBrain> income stable at 6M



00:38:17  <TrueBrain> vehicles stable at 82



00:38:41  <Eddi|zuHause3> you could talk to your AI through signs, like "AI: build 8 platform RORO here"



00:38:47  <glx> to reach 1000 it needs to cheat (builds unused stations)



00:38:54  <TrueBrain> glx: why?



00:38:56  <TrueBrain> it has 130 stations



00:39:00  <Eddi|zuHause3> the AI would then check the sign and parse the command



00:39:06  <TrueBrain> but it only knows how to move 2 types of cargo



00:39:10  <glx> 130 airports?



00:39:13  <TrueBrain> glx: yes



00:39:18  <TrueBrain> as I said, it isn't really fair :p



00:39:31  <glx> how many towns?



00:39:38  <TrueBrain> oh, incoming is 30M (pounds btw)



00:39:45  <TrueBrain> eeeuuuhhh



00:39:47  <TrueBrain> where can you see that?



00:39:51  <TrueBrain> (high at 1kx1k)



00:40:07  <glx> ok enough for 1 per town



00:40:27  <Eddi|zuHause3> the town list window should mention that number...



00:40:33  <TrueBrain> it should, yes



00:40:49  <TrueBrain> what does Income Graph show?



00:40:52  <TrueBrain> it tells me 8M



00:40:55  <TrueBrain> but the incomine is 30M



00:41:01  <TrueBrain> so I am a bit confused what it tells me



00:41:16  <TrueBrain> operation profit graph also tells me 8M



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00:41:47  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_009.png



00:41:52  <TrueBrain> who knows the answer?



00:42:59  <SmatZ> it is per quarter



00:43:09  <TrueBrain> ah!



00:43:10  <TrueBrain> tnx :)



00:43:27  <TrueBrain> iek, old dep-system



00:43:28  <Eddi|zuHause3> 42...



00:43:32  <TrueBrain> that host doesn't have makedepend :p



00:44:41  <TrueBrain> Smoovious: still want to spectate?



00:45:20  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r10575 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix r10573: misplaced )



00:48:00  <TrueBrain> I wonder if it works on a server...



00:48:03  <TrueBrain> no fastforward



00:48:04  <TrueBrain> BAH!



00:49:14  <TrueBrain> oh well, time for me to prepare myself to go to bed :)



00:49:56  <SmatZ> I am just compiling the noai brach to see your magic :)



00:50:09  <TrueBrain> you can also get a clean r10532 and join my server



00:50:12  <TrueBrain> if the AI ever starts...



00:50:15  <TrueBrain> (clean = clean trunk)



00:50:18  <glx> you need his main.nut :)



00:50:28  <TrueBrain> that if you want to run it locally, yes :p



00:50:36  <TrueBrain> glx: how about I just add it to SVN? :)



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00:50:54  <glx> could be useful as examples



00:51:00  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: how can I connect to your server?



00:51:55  <TrueBrain> glx: for that I wrote it ;)



00:51:59  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: connected to openttd.org



00:52:03  <TrueBrain> as SPECTATOR



00:52:38  <TrueBrain> I have no idea how stable it is



00:52:39  <TrueBrain> but okay



00:53:13  * TrueBrain hits DeGhost



00:53:15  <glx> I can see the server with noai



00:53:20  <glx> *can't



00:53:32  <DeGhosty> there is no spectate button



00:53:33  <TrueBrain> glx: I facked a trunk revision



00:53:37  <TrueBrain> DeGhosty: there is



00:53:41  <DeGhosty> ok now there is



00:53:45  <TrueBrain> there always has been



00:53:49  <glx> openttd.org is offline



00:53:52  <TrueBrain> glx: as it should be trunk compatible...



00:54:08  <TrueBrain> bah, AI didn't load



00:54:10  <glx> now I see it



00:54:13  <glx> weird



00:54:15  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: I just ran the noai branch, and after 12 years, the ai players just borrow/repay money and have 0 income :(



00:54:30  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: welcome to NoAI



00:54:37  <SmatZ> :-D



00:54:42  <TrueBrain> that AI is REALLY REALLY stupid



00:54:44  <DeGhosty> it's broken



00:54:46  <TrueBrain> was a proof-of-concept



00:54:51  <TrueBrain> I think I replace it with this one



00:55:04  <SmatZ> ah ... I though I will see something like this -> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_009.png



00:55:05  <SmatZ> :(



00:55:13  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: no, it is my local AI in development



00:55:17  <SmatZ> aha :)



00:55:27  <DeGhosty> u need a company to spectate



00:55:34  <glx> no you don't



00:55:45  <DeGhosty> how come my spetate button not working..



00:55:47  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: create bin/ai/phuketair



00:55:53  <TrueBrain> download http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/phuketair.nut as main.nut in that dir



00:56:00  <DeGhosty> oh nvm



00:56:02  <TrueBrain> run: ./openttd -a "Phuket Air"



00:56:15  <TrueBrain> Phuket Air is active on the openttd.org server...



00:56:28  <DeGhosty> failed loading saved game



00:56:33  <DeGhosty> too many vehicals?



00:56:38  <TrueBrain> like 0



00:56:40  <TrueBrain> I think so too yes



00:57:00  <TrueBrain> but I too get the error now I try to join



00:57:02  <TrueBrain> nice bug ;)



00:57:12  <SmatZ> squirrels like nuts :)



00:57:20  <TrueBrain> you got the joke ;)



00:57:25  <DeGhosty> i get an error



00:57:42  <DeGhosty> fix it fix it fix it :)



00:57:55  <TrueBrain> I have no idea why it does that



00:58:22  <glx> savegames are compatible theorically



00:58:27  <TrueBrain> I thought so too



00:58:31  <TrueBrain> but I guess syncing broke something



00:58:40  <TrueBrain> hmm.. the AI parts can be a problem



00:58:44  <TrueBrain> is filled with NULLs



00:59:15  <TrueBrain> running r10574-noai



01:00:14  <glx> I can't spectate



01:00:19  <TrueBrain> just 304 lines :)



01:00:21  <TrueBrain> glx: why not



01:00:32  <glx> button is disabled



01:00:42  <TrueBrain> ah, because there are no companies



01:00:45  <TrueBrain> was a silly protection :)



01:00:51  <TrueBrain> that you can't join servers that don't have companies yet



01:00:52  <glx> that's indeed stupid



01:01:00  <TrueBrain> join from command line with -n openttd.org#255



01:01:00  <TrueBrain> ;)



01:01:05  <TrueBrain> or try it now :p



01:01:33  <DeGhosty> what?



01:01:41  <TrueBrain> openttd.org isn't on the server-list...



01:01:52  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: does the AI terraform or destroy building to place airports?



01:01:56  <DeGhosty> what version is it?



01:01:58  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: nope



01:02:01  <TrueBrain> DeGhosty: NoAI branch



01:02:07  <DeGhosty> i have to compile it?



01:02:10  <glx> yes



01:02:11  <TrueBrain> yes



01:02:14  <DeGhosty> awwwwwwwwww



01:02:58  <glx> hmm AI does nothing for now



01:03:10  <TrueBrain> no, it takes a while to start-up



01:03:12  <TrueBrain> 1000 ticks



01:03:15  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: a little problem - when exiting the game, it segafults -> openttd: /mnt/svn/openttd/branches/noai/src/ai/ai_threads.cpp:466: AIThread_MT* AIThread_MT::stCurrentFiber(): Assertion `cur->thr->IsCurrent()' failed.



01:03:19  <TrueBrain> hmm.. I can't join from the GUI :(



01:03:25  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: yes, on bankrupt or closing the map



01:03:26  <TrueBrain> known



01:03:30  <Eddi|zuHause3> nick colouring is no use if all active nicks get the same colour :(



01:03:30  <SmatZ> ok :)



01:03:35  <glx> TrueBrain: add openttd.org manually



01:03:41  <TrueBrain> glx: but why does it fail...



01:03:54  <glx> advertise on?



01:03:58  <TrueBrain> yes



01:04:01  <TrueBrain> it is on servers.openttd.org



01:04:40  <glx> MS bug?



01:05:01  <TrueBrain> it is in the list



01:05:03  <TrueBrain> but it is never queries



01:05:08  <TrueBrain> when I try that manually



01:05:13  <TrueBrain> even more weird things happen :p



01:05:21  <TrueBrain> oh well, something to check later :)



01:05:32  <TrueBrain> @calc 1000 / 74



01:05:32  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 13.5135135135



01:05:44  <TrueBrain> hmm, should only take 13 days before it starts doing something



01:06:00  <TrueBrain> but okay, it is doing something :)



01:06:07  <TrueBrain> amazing, network AI also works :)



01:06:08  <glx> 4 airports 2 planes



01:06:19  <SmatZ> :)



01:06:40  <TrueBrain> so SmatZ, you want to see if you can beat this AI? :p



01:07:10  <SmatZ> I will try, only with airports :)



01:07:17  <glx> I think it will add a plane soon



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01:07:29  <TrueBrain> you know what, I open some company slots, make it airport only



01:07:34  <TrueBrain> and leave you to it for the night :)



01:07:38  <TrueBrain> closing server for a moment



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01:08:03  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: does the AI settings in the Difficulty options have any effect?



01:08:20  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: difficulty? No; Speed? Yes



01:08:29  <TrueBrain> difficulty will be given to the script and left to him to do what ever he things is best



01:08:31  <SmatZ> thanks



01:08:37  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: but most of the time it will stay ignored



01:08:41  <SmatZ> :)



01:08:56  <TrueBrain> k, server is online



01:09:01  <TrueBrain> show me what you can do :)



01:09:41  <SmatZ> openttd: /mnt/svn/openttd/branches/noai/src/player.h:109: Player* GetPlayer(PlayerID): Assertion `( (uint)((i) - (PLAYER_FIRST)) < ((uint)((sizeof(_players)/sizeof(_players[0])))) )' failed.



01:09:46  <SmatZ> :(



01:09:48  <TrueBrain> nasty



01:09:49  <TrueBrain> try again?



01:09:54  <SmatZ> yes



01:10:02  <SmatZ> how can I connect as a player?



01:10:06  <TrueBrain> via the GUI



01:10:38  <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPY9SmhvQU&mode=related&search=



01:11:53  <glx> hmm Yate Haugan on small airport



01:12:16  <TrueBrain> btw, the AI is missing a piece of code to see which airport it should build



01:12:24  <TrueBrain> it now always builds City Airport



01:12:32  <TrueBrain> (so playing at 1950 will result in... nothing :))



01:12:47  <glx> City Airport is a small one



01:13:04  <glx> IIRC



01:13:10  <TrueBrain> it is the old one



01:13:12  <TrueBrain> the big 6x6



01:13:29  <TrueBrain> the loader indicator rules :)



01:14:38  <glx> hehe it added a plane to the line



01:14:47  <TrueBrain> no, I did :p



01:14:52  <TrueBrain> light blue is AI



01:14:54  <TrueBrain> yellow is me



01:14:57  <TrueBrain> dark blueis SmatZ



01:18:20  <TrueBrain> hehe, AI couldn't build the aircraft



01:18:21  <TrueBrain> out of money :p



01:18:31  <TrueBrain> I think



01:20:43  <TrueBrain> the speed is pretty fair



01:20:46  <TrueBrain> I am suprised



01:21:02  <TrueBrain> but it builds on almost the same rate as we



01:21:06  <TrueBrain> just he keeps on doing it :p



01:21:57  <TrueBrain> just think about what the AI can do if it too can terraform :p



01:22:13  <TrueBrain> my plane crashed :s



01:22:15  <TrueBrain> :s :s



01:22:24  <SmatZ> second



01:22:32  <TrueBrain> Disasters are off :(



01:22:44  <TrueBrain> and all my newsmessages too :p



01:22:57  <SmatZ> :)



01:23:03  <glx> but fast plane on small airport is not a disaster



01:23:17  <TrueBrain> why are this small airports?



01:23:23  <TrueBrain> oh, because it tells me :p



01:23:24  <TrueBrain> hahahaha



01:23:25  <TrueBrain> stupid...



01:23:27  <TrueBrain> oh well



01:24:03  <Eddi|zuHause3> the 6x6 airport is now small?



01:24:15  <glx> 4x5 is small



01:24:28  <TrueBrain> it takes for ever to clean up a plane...



01:24:30  <TrueBrain> I NEED MONEY!



01:24:45  <TrueBrain> bah, the AI is catching up on me :(



01:24:50  <Eddi|zuHause3> which airport is 4x5?



01:25:13  <TrueBrain> no, the AI does built too fast...



01:25:16  <TrueBrain> 1 year, 10 stations...



01:25:48  <Digitalfox_Desktop> I can do that to ;)



01:26:07  <Digitalfox_Desktop> Activating Pause cheat.. 3..2..1.. Activated



01:26:16  <TrueBrain> and then without cheats ;)



01:26:42  <Digitalfox_Desktop> :)



01:27:59  <Digitalfox_Desktop> TrueBrain: After the new AI is finished will it be available has an option in OTTD or replacing completely the old AI still present today in openttd builds?



01:27:59  <Smoovious> would be nice to have more grades of planes than just large/small... maybe small/medium/large/jumbo



01:28:21  <Smoovious> but that's a whole o ther t opic



01:29:18  <TrueBrain> Digitalfox_Desktop: the old AI system will be removed completely



01:29:23  <TrueBrain> mostly because it is broken by design



01:30:02  <Eddi|zuHause3> you could try to port the old AI to the new system :p



01:30:08  <TrueBrain> hahaha



01:30:09  <TrueBrain> feel free :)



01:30:37  <TrueBrain> the old AI cheats, isn't network compatible, ...



01:30:54  <Eddi|zuHause3> honestly, i never looked at the AI code



01:31:01  <TrueBrain> I did, one too many times :)



01:31:22  <TrueBrain> oops, forgot to run the dedicated server in a screen



01:31:27  <TrueBrain> now I can't close my window :(



01:31:49  <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd like to try a train AI when that is supported...



01:31:57  <TrueBrain> when...



01:31:59  <TrueBrain> takes a while :)



01:32:01  <TrueBrain> hardest of all



01:32:01  <glx> TrueBrain: save and restart in screen



01:32:17  <Eddi|zuHause3> one that creates a passenger network of local and express lines



01:32:21  <TrueBrain> glx: an option yes, but AIs aren't saved yet, they start over...



01:32:28  <TrueBrain> resulting in a total failure of my AI :)



01:32:41  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: start making the plans for it :p



01:34:29  <TrueBrain> so far it aint bad for a first airport AI :)



01:34:29  <Eddi|zuHause3> i'll have to look into the AI interface documentation and the language at some point



01:34:48  <TrueBrain> the NoAI API (documentation) is really nice :)



01:36:18  <glx> ok metropolitan airport is not efficient :)



01:36:27  <TrueBrain> not at all!



01:36:29  <Eddi|zuHause3> can the AI check loaded NewGRFs and act upon that? (e.g. build newstations)



01:36:39  <TrueBrain> in the future, sure



01:39:38  <TrueBrain> SmatZ clearly takes all the corners to put his airports



01:39:45  <TrueBrain> where the AI takes what ever he can gets his hands on :)



01:39:56  <SmatZ> yes I do



01:40:01  <SmatZ> :)



01:42:02  <TrueBrain> he, what went wrong with the AI



01:42:07  <TrueBrain> it isn't supposed to go down :p



01:45:15  <SmatZ> AI is really tough



01:45:33  <TrueBrain> :)



01:46:03  <TrueBrain> but now you are better then he is



01:46:40  <Eddi|zuHause3> can AI have a map array to store temporary cache data in?



01:46:51  <TrueBrain> no



01:47:15  <Eddi|zuHause3> it'd make life much easier...



01:47:41  <TrueBrain> it would kill most machines



01:47:47  <Eddi|zuHause3> rephrase that: can AI create arrays same size of the map?



01:47:51  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_010.png <- light blue is AI, dark blue is human



01:47:56  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause3: no



01:48:38  <Eddi|zuHause3> how does AI store data then?



01:48:40  <SmatZ> maybe AI's plane crashed?



01:48:49  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: no, not possible on those airports



01:49:04  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: you guys steal pax from him :) Takes a moment for him to respond on



01:49:28  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_011.png



01:49:33  <TrueBrain> shows the AI :)



01:49:40  <glx> I tried to not steal anything



01:49:55  <TrueBrain> glx: SmatZ did :p



01:49:58  <SmatZ> lol



01:50:03  <SmatZ> ah, sorry



01:50:05  <TrueBrain> but it reacts to that, it just takes a moment



01:50:11  <SmatZ> I didn't know I shouldn't do that



01:50:17  <TrueBrain> oh, it is no problem



01:50:25  <TrueBrain> I tried to train my AI well :)



01:50:40  <glx> anyway AI builds airport in same towns than me so it's fair



01:50:47  <TrueBrain> lol, you now have more vehicles than the AI :)



01:50:47  <Nigel> hmmm, are there any plans on changing the configure/makefile system?



01:51:01  <TrueBrain> Nigel: not again I hope



01:51:22  <glx> Nigel: about which version are you talking?



01:51:43  <Nigel> 0.5.3-RC2



01:51:59  <glx> ho you don't like the DEPS ?



01:52:17  <Nigel> nope, I'm an autoconf fan tbh



01:52:34  <glx> well trunk is not autoconf but it's better



01:52:50  <glx> at least it uses makedepend if available



01:53:10  <glx> and Makefile.config is gone



01:53:38  <Nigel> will ./configure accept standard params like --build and --prefix?



01:55:44  <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/configure_help.txt <-- check yourself ;)



01:56:08  <Eddi|zuHause3> some people complained about some switches being non-standard



01:57:09  <TrueBrain> btw, SmatZ: you show that it might be better no to big the biggest towns, but those who have the biggest distance :)



01:57:15  <Nigel> glx: that looks like autoconf, or fairly close, good thing too



01:57:32  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: I think so :)



01:57:34  <TrueBrain> most params are default, like --build, --host, CC, ...



01:57:56  <TrueBrain> (as in fact I peaked at an autoconf --help :p)



01:57:56  <SmatZ> few passangers, fast plane, small towns, long distance



01:58:08  <TrueBrain> I will close the server in 1 jan 2003



01:58:10  <TrueBrain> after a screen



01:58:16  <TrueBrain> you showed you can beat the AI :p



01:58:31  <SmatZ> :D



01:59:07  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_012.png



01:59:08  <TrueBrain> tnx SmatZ



01:59:10  <TrueBrain> and night all



01:59:14  <SmatZ> tnx TrueBrain



01:59:20  <SmatZ> nice AI really



01:59:29  <SmatZ> gn all



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01:59:35  <glx> night TrueBrain



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02:02:01  <Eddi|zuHause4> err...



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02:33:55  <DeGhosty> hey who wrote the thing for town growth?



02:36:01  <Eddi|zuHause> which "thing"? i know at least half a dozen "things" related to town growth



02:43:28  <Phazorx> heh



02:43:50  <Phazorx> he probably means growth in terms of picking place for houses removing old/ updating



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06:36:32  <dpaanlka> help



06:37:06  <dpaanlka> i have a big network of airports and airline flights going here but every time a plane crashes i have no easy way to determine which one and to which airpoprts it served



06:37:13  <dpaanlka> is there a way to have crashed planes automatically replaced



06:37:19  <dpaanlka> OR list airports that do not have service?



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06:54:20  <Smoovious> apparently, he hasn't tried sharing the o rder of a new plane with thte crashed one



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07:31:09  <Wolf01> hello



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07:55:11  <Smoovious> o/ Wolf01



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08:00:10  <Caemyr> hiya



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09:58:54  <Chris82> good morning



09:59:09  <Chris82> what could cause an error: !invalid string id 0 in GetString when clicking a patches page



10:04:26  <Eddi|zuHause> when you provided an invalid string?



10:06:59  <Chris82> but then I should get a compiler error?



10:10:48  <Chris82> oh wait I think that is a bug in trunk let me check



10:12:56  <Chris82> hmmm no that was obviously not the reason



10:16:37  <JazzyJaffa> I think I may have found a bug in YAPF for ships that is causing it to search more nodes than needed for non-diagonal routes. I'm not sure though as it may be my understanding.



10:17:08  <Eddi|zuHause> Chris82: "invalid string" can be a (StringID)0



10:18:00  <Eddi|zuHause> JazzyJaffa: with YAPF you better talk directly to KUDr



10:18:03  <JazzyJaffa> Where curves are given penalties this is used: n.GetTrackdir() != n.m_parent->GetTrackdir()), shouldn't it be: (IsDiagonalTrackdir(n.GetTrackdir()) != IsDiagonalTrackdir(n.m_parent->GetTrackdir()))



10:18:05  <JazzyJaffa> ok



10:19:04  <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and that will fail with 90° curves



10:19:21  <JazzyJaffa> yeah that needs a special case if you are allowing 90's



10:19:45  <JazzyJaffa> but the current one penalises going in a continous vertical or horizontal



10:19:52  <Chris82> (StringID)0 doesn't exist anywhere



10:20:09  <Eddi|zuHause> Chris82: of course not



10:20:14  <Chris82> I added CommandCost((StringID)STR_WAIT_UNTIL_CONSTRUCTION) in landscape.cpp but that has nothing to do with the economy patches section



10:20:21  <Chris82> also removing it doesn't fix the issue



10:20:46  <Eddi|zuHause> it may be hidden in a wrong parameter or something



10:20:52  <Eddi|zuHause> you better get a backtrace :)



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10:22:20  <Chris82> well the weird thing is I have reverted the settings_gui.cpp file to its last state before my changes



10:22:24  <Chris82> and I still get the error



10:22:38  <Chris82> I don't know which other file should influence the economy patches section tho



10:23:06  <Chris82> I mean in settings.cpp for example it doesn't matter where the SDT_ are they are just sorted for better readability



10:23:18  <Eddi|zuHause> may be a out of bounds access of an array?



10:23:33  <Eddi|zuHause> i said, get a backtrace!



10:24:08  <Eddi|zuHause> it will tell you exactly where the broken string appears



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10:26:43  <Chris82> how do I get a backtrace?



10:26:53  <Chris82> the game just crashed after the error message



10:27:26  <Eddi|zuHause> you start the game in a debugger



10:27:44  <Chris82> I just compile a debug version



10:27:57  <Eddi|zuHause> that will be helpful ;)



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10:28:17  <Eddi|zuHause> do you use mingw/gcc or msvc?



10:28:41  <Chris82> msvc



10:28:54  <Chris82> errrm lol I just tried to start the debug version and get an assertion failed error



10:28:58  <Eddi|zuHause> that should have a builtin debugger



10:29:02  <Chris82> in gfxinit.cpp line 365 wth



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10:31:03  <Chris82> let me compile a trunk version and see if I get the same error



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10:32:39  <Chris82> the debug version crashed when loading 2ccmap.grf



10:33:40  <Chris82> I don't really get why, isn't that the start screen?



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10:37:01  <Eddi|zuHause> that's the risk when combining many badly written patches



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10:38:02  <Chris82> but loading and playing the release build works flawlessly



10:38:27  <Eddi|zuHause> it



10:38:30  <Chris82> I also get this error when I build a debug version from trunk as wlel



10:38:37  <Eddi|zuHause> 's a reverse heisenbug :p



10:38:55  <Eddi|zuHause> well, then file a bugreport



10:39:14  <Chris82> I don't really know what to write there, the debugger breaks at a line the asm code



10:39:24  <Eddi|zuHause> but nobody's using MSVC...



10:40:21  <Chris82> I do :p



10:41:17  <Rubidium> Chris82: *if* trunk would crash on loading 2ccmap.grf we would've heard about it a long time ago. Are you really sure you have a clean trunk?



10:43:40  <Chris82> only the debug build, not the release build



10:43:46  <Chris82> I just try to figure out if it was a clean build



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11:29:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10576 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/run.sh: [NoAI] -Add: added -g to regression test script, to start gdb over regression-test



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11:45:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10577 /branches/noai/ (8 files in 2 dirs):



11:45:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added ChangeItem to AIList



11:45:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Change [API]: AddItem of AIList now takes a second param: value



11:45:49  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r10578 /trunk/src/yapf/ (yapf_common.hpp yapf_ship.cpp):



11:45:50  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [YAPF, ships]: Ships received curve penalty for non-diagonal straight move. (JazzyJaffa)



11:45:50  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  -The fix in cost calculation uncovered bug in estimate calculation. Ships now use the same estimate algorithm as trains.



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12:15:56  <Chris82> Rubidium: I fixed this assertion failure now and it seems the problem why it didn't build properly for me was that I didn't have the require grf files in the data directory of the repository



12:16:16  <Chris82> they seem to be only required for the debug build that's why the release build worked



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12:16:51  <Rubidium> Chris82: probably the release directory already had them



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12:37:05  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10579 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs):



12:37:05  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: functions to remove/keep the top/bottom X items from a list.



12:37:05  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: functions to remove/keep items given in another list.



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12:48:14  <Chris82> hmmm it's funny the debug .exe is really huge but the linker is so much faster than with building the release build



12:48:24  <peter1138> why is that funny?



12:49:31  <peter1138> it's rather expected behaviour



12:49:38  <Chris82> because I would assume that for a much larger .exe the time to build it is also longer



12:50:34  <peter1138> you assume wrong



12:51:09  <peter1138> debug = unoptimized with debug symbols



12:51:16  <peter1138> release = optimized with no debug symbols



12:51:24  <peter1138> optimizing is of course slow



12:51:28  <Chris82> I see :)



12:51:47  <skidd13> Chris82: Are you the one who is working again on the waypoint stats?



12:51:49  <peter1138> stripping debug symbols isn't, but does remove a lot of unneeded stuff



12:51:56  <Chris82> yes Skidd



12:52:01  <Chris82> but I think that needs to be rewritten



12:52:33  <skidd13> In the diff is a function missing.



12:52:43  <Chris82> peter1138: I always wasted time compiling release builds until now, but now I know that I can save a lot of time when compiling debub builds just to test stuff



12:52:55  <peter1138> it's not wasted



12:53:03  <peter1138> debug is a lot slower for a start



12:53:20  <Chris82> you mean my diff or the original patch diff?



12:54:01  <skidd13> The function ShowWaypointTrains is used but never written.



12:54:06  <skidd13> in your diff.



12:54:17  <Chris82> yeah I removed that function



12:54:28  <Chris82> it is build on very old code and functions that don't exist anymore



12:54:39  <skidd13> But kept the call of it in the patch.



12:54:44  <Chris82> I have a newer build which compiles and shows me the stats screen but it's very buggy



12:54:58  <Chris82> i.e. only number of trains scheduled is counted and not how often they go through the waypoint



12:55:39  <Chris82> I need to rewrite it in 1 or 2 weeks



12:56:07  <skidd13> Would be nice to seperate the gui in an extra file.



12:56:17  <Chris82> have to study computer science theory (turing machine and such stuff) right now for my exam tomorrow :(



12:56:54  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10580 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added GetStationID to get the StationID based on a tile



13:04:01  <Eddi|zuHause> that's easy :p



13:11:07  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_013.png



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13:21:56  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/noai_014.png <- takes 20 years to get to an almost perfect score :)



13:22:21  <Gekko[PDA]> lol



13:22:30  <Gekko[PDA]> ^5



13:23:59  <Wolf01> did you see the brickland road tryout?



13:24:08  <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=74563



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13:24:20  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10581 /branches/noai/bin/ai/ (SQNoAI/ wrightai/ wrightai/main.nut):



13:24:20  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added WrightAI, and even though it is an aircraft only AI, it is the first NoAI that actually builds something useful and that is where the name came from (wright is archaic English for craftsman or builder)



13:24:20  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Remove: removed SQNoAI, as it didn't do anything useful



13:24:30  <TrueBrain> too small... :p



13:24:51  <TrueBrain> looks nice, only it is 32bpp, use nicer lines :p



13:25:18  <Gekko[PDA]> wtf is NoAI.



13:25:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought "Wright" from the aircraft pioneer brothers...



13:25:43  <izhirahider> TrueBrain, any hints on how to improve min. income? in my games I always fail in that area...



13:25:51  <Wolf01> is a tryout, when all the tiles are finished i'll look for some antialiasing :P



13:26:23  <TrueBrain> izhirahider: sell all vehicles that are below the treshhold :)



13:26:24  <Gekko[PDA]> my shortcoming is passengers.



13:26:30  <TrueBrain> Wolf01: good :)



13:26:30  <Wolf01> izhirahider, sell the vehicles which don't made enough money



13:26:40  <Wolf01> too slow :P



13:26:45  <Gekko[PDA]> without subways it's imkpossible for me to keep up



13:27:03  <Chris82> I have a really weird error in settings.cpp



13:27:19  <Chris82> I have this line for a patch:



13:27:19  <Chris82> 	SDT_CONDBOOL(Patches, town_founding, IN_CHRISIN_SINCE(71), SL_MAX_VERSION, 0, 0,  false, STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_ENABLE_TOWN_FOUNDING, NULL),



13:27:30  <Chris82> It was placed in the economy section



13:27:51  <Chris82> since I placed all patch options from ChrisIN on an extra patch settings page I reordered the patches in settings.cpp



13:28:09  <Eddi|zuHause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers



13:28:10  <Chris82> but when I want to move this line and then load an old savegame the game crashes when opening economy patches page



13:28:17  <peter1138> Wolf01: antialiasing can't be 'applied' later...



13:28:24  <Chris82> why does it matter where this line is placed?



13:28:37  <Chris82> as long as it is within const SettingDesc _patch_settings[] = {



13:28:53  <TrueBrain> order _does_ matter



13:28:59  <peter1138> order is vital :)



13:29:10  <Chris82> hmmm but moving all other options worked without any problems



13:29:24  <peter1138> no it didn't



13:29:45  <TrueBrain> you just didn't noticed it :)



13:29:52  <izhirahider> hmmm, ok



13:30:02  <Chris82> :p well I can load trunk, 0.5.2, old ChrisINs



13:30:13  <TrueBrain> being able to load and load the correct things



13:30:15  <TrueBrain> are 2 different things



13:30:17  <Chris82> my standard tests, i.e. clicking around, building some stuff all works



13:30:36  <Chris82> hmm so you mean that when loading a game settings may be lost?



13:30:42  <peter1138> sure but



13:31:03  <peter1138> if you have two settings that happen to both be 0, loading them in the opposite will *seem* to work fine



13:31:33  <Eddi|zuHause> if you change the order of settings, you have to change the order of loaded settings also, because otherwise you would load one setting as if it were the other



13:31:52  <TrueBrain> now only you load a setting that makes some value go passed their allowed value



13:31:56  <TrueBrain> and so it crashes



13:32:06  <Eddi|zuHause> especially you can load values for which one setting was possible into another setting where these values are forbidden



13:32:19  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: euh, the GUI part has nothing to do with the loading part



13:32:27  <Chris82> ok I get the point



13:32:28  <TrueBrain> so you can safely move around the order things are displayed



13:32:40  <TrueBrain> you can even move around the order how things are in the struct



13:32:44  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, ok



13:32:51  <TrueBrain> you just can't change the order things are load/saved



13:32:54  <Chris82> but the town founding patch doesn't load anything from a savegame



13:33:06  <TrueBrain> as saveload is stupid, it goes from up-to-down in bytes



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13:33:17  <Gekko[PDA]> recode?



13:33:22  <Chris82> lol



13:33:22  <Eddi|zuHause> that is what i meant



13:33:24  <peter1138> it's not stupid, it's size-efficient ;)



13:33:40  <Gekko[PDA]> roadmap 0.6?



13:34:51  <Chris82> just had an idea... testing



13:35:29  <TrueBrain> I have such a brilliant idea too



13:35:32  * TrueBrain switches on his xbox



13:35:57  <TrueBrain> I wish I had XBox Live,, so I could download the AAC upgrade... now I can't play mpeg4s :(



13:39:39  <Zr40> what's the proper procedure for getting patches applied into trunk?



13:40:35  <TrueBrain> http://bugs.openttd.org :)



13:40:42  <Chris82> hmmm don't get it, moving any patch except this one works definitely fine



13:40:53  <Chris82> when loading a savegame the settings are loaded properly



13:41:00  <Zr40> TrueBrain: that's what I did



13:41:01  <Chris82> no matter if it's a bool, var, multi string or whatever



13:42:03  <Zr40> TrueBrain: but there doesn't seem much activity going on



13:42:06  <TrueBrain> Zr40: then youhave to wait till someone applies it



13:42:54  <Zr40> TrueBrain: what kind of time span could I expect?



13:43:13  <TrueBrain> depending on your patch, between 1 day and 10 years



13:43:32  <Zr40> with 10 years being..?



13:43:49  <TrueBrain> a long time



13:44:08  <Zr40> not that :)



13:44:52  <Zr40> I was referring to 'depending on your patch'



13:45:43  <TrueBrain> say a critical bugfix is most likely to hit the trunk the same day



13:46:11  <TrueBrain> where patches like more companies will take a long long time, for the simple reason we kind of want a cleaner solution



13:46:37  <Zr40> I'd say it's in between



13:46:48  <TrueBrain> then I say it is between the 1 day and 10 years :)



13:48:16  <Zr40> but, I doubt patches just sitting in the bug tracker will improve all by itself, even in 10 years



13:50:59  <Zr40> they don't become cleaner just by waiting :)



13:52:06  <Chris82> hmmm ok I agree now order does matter



13:52:15  <Chris82> stupid saveloader *gg*



13:52:46  <Chris82> I can mix the settings any way in settings_gui.cpp but the order in settings.cpp is "static"



13:54:40  <Chris82> I am off for the last few hours of studying now :)



13:54:41  <Chris82> bye bye



13:55:04  <TrueBrain> enjoy :)



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13:57:18  <Zr40> TrueBrain: is there any way to shorten the duration? :)



13:57:36  <TrueBrain> not really I gues



13:57:43  <TrueBrain> some dev needs to have an interest in your patch, or the time to handle it



13:57:57  <TrueBrain> (yeah, it isn't fair, I know I know)



13:59:33  <Zr40> sounds like a dev shortage (or a dev time shortage anyway)



13:59:46  <TrueBrain> and if I read a patch that isn't for at least 60% in my knowledge, and I have no real interest in it, I don't apply it



14:00:08  <TrueBrain> it happens that it is in a grey area of all devs, so one needs to have time on his hands to read into it



14:00:16  <TrueBrain> dev time shortage there is always



14:00:22  <TrueBrain> wouldn't be good if it was otherwise :)



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14:01:28  <TrueBrain> (and in case "someone" wants to hold this ever against me: this is my opinion and my opinion alone; I do not represent opinions of other developers)



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14:05:29  <peter1138> crap



14:05:36  <peter1138> raining on my laundry :o



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14:11:35  <Eddi|zuHause> you have some specific "someone" in mind? :p



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14:42:59  <Zr40> TrueBrain: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/104



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14:43:14  <Zr40> grr. I hate misclicking.



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14:47:58  <eekee> what year to NARS trains come in?



14:48:01  <eekee> *do



14:53:21  <Digitalfox_Desktop> eekee:  1920?



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14:54:50  <eekee> hrm, yeah, that's what I thought



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15:09:49  <Tlustoch> Why do I get message that train is lost, when it's going right way?



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15:20:47  <eekee> ah there, Feb 1920



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15:21:34  <eekee> Tlustoch: All I can say is "It appens a lot less than it used to." *shrug*



15:29:45  <sartsjie> i'm guessing it's because there's a lag between an event and the actual message appearing



15:30:12  <sartsjie> if you send a train to a depot, when you get the message it's there, it has already been there for a bit



15:30:21  <sartsjie> same thing



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15:39:58  <Rippsy> Does anyone know what the config cvar's



15:39:59  <Rippsy> small_aa = false



15:39:59  <Rippsy> medium_aa = false



15:39:59  <Rippsy> large_aa = false



15:40:00  <Rippsy> do?



15:42:16  <Eddi|zuHause> anti-aliasing of small/medium/large font?



15:42:32  <Eddi|zuHause> not much use for dedicated :)



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15:56:01  <peter1138> indeed



15:58:55  <ln-> said peter1138



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16:09:32  <Rippsy> tga



16:09:38  <Rippsy> thought as much best to be surwe



16:09:45  <Rippsy> i wonder how purdy ottd would look with fsaa :D



16:10:54  <Eddi|zuHause> won't work, because it's pixel based...



16:11:07  <Rippsy> awwww :D



16:11:14  <Rippsy> a blurr filter? :D



16:12:05  <Eddi|zuHause> zevensoft made a patch for differend Ctrl+D filters, but it is probably incompatible to the new blitters



16:12:43  <Rippsy> blitters?



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16:13:52  <Eddi|zuHause> one of the steps between the game data and displaying a picture on the screen/window



16:18:16  <Rippsy> ah k



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16:39:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10582 /branches/noai/ (7 files in 4 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: allow getting the president and company names of other companies as well as their company value and bank balance.



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16:58:47  <Rippsy> Is it possible to remove a server password once the server is started?



16:59:53  <sartsj> save the game, close the server, edit options, start server with savegame



16:59:55  <sartsj> ?



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17:00:19  <Rippsy> I was hopping it'd have a setting like "non" which removed it, but fair enough :)



17:00:32  <sartsj> it might have, i dont know



17:00:35  <sartsj> this just came to my mind



17:00:36  <sartsj> ;p



17:01:30  <Rippsy> well i've tried "non" and "none" so im guessing it doesn't



17:01:32  <Rippsy> *restarts server*



17:01:52  <XeryusTC> Rippsy: server_pw



17:02:06  <XeryusTC> maybe you just dont need any parameter



17:02:27  <sartsj> server_pw "" then i reckon



17:02:36  <Rippsy> hmm



17:03:11  <Rippsy> Doing "server_pw" returns its value



17:03:14  <Rippsy> doesn't set it to no value



17:03:30  <sartsj> what if you add ""



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17:03:56  <Rippsy> I did



17:03:59  <Rippsy> :)



17:04:05  <sartsj> oh



17:04:33  <Rippsy> should've made it clear what i had typed, as with the "" does make a difference



17:04:38  <Rippsy> but not in this instance



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17:17:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10583 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed)



17:17:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-07-15 19:17:18



17:17:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 135 fixed, 2 changed by knovak (137)



17:17:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 3 changed by Hadez (3)



17:17:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 29 fixed by habazi (29)



17:17:58  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 4 fixed by Skiper (4)



17:17:58  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 21 fixed, 1 changed by chu (22)



17:22:27  <ln-> do i dare to look at what "fixed" means...



17:24:43  <ln-> ok, wasn't that bad.



17:32:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i think "fixed" means that the english string was changed previously



17:32:52  <Rippsy> So it was correct, and they changed the english string to something else so the other lang one needed ammended?



17:32:56  <izhirahider> it means that there was no translation for the language before, and there is now



17:33:06  <Rippsy> so fixes are new



17:33:11  <Rippsy> changes are ammends?



17:33:16  <izhirahider> "fixes" are new, "changes" are old



17:33:29  <Rippsy> fair enough :)



17:33:56  <Rippsy> eheh, just pillaged a coal mine before it was finished building.. should clearly get exclusive rights for that



17:33:58  <glx> fixes can be updates too (if the changes made in english did break clanguage compilation



17:35:06  <Rippsy> How deep is the code burried for increase/decrease of production on raw materials?



17:37:05  <Eddi|zuHause> how about looking in industry*



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18:14:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10584 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt: -Fix: [Translations] Fixed translations screwed up by translator



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18:16:25  <PlayMeNow> bump



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18:16:46  <PlayMeNow> anyone willing to test OpenTTD Updater?



18:17:12  <PlayMeNow> to devs: is this thingy required to be GPL?



18:17:27  <peter1138> if you want it in our svn, yes



18:17:48  <peter1138> i suggest not to use annoying file hosting, either way



18:18:15  <PlayMeNow> I used it because I couldn't be able to zip a zip file with IzArc



18:18:45  <PlayMeNow> I doubt there's anyone else who has AMS6 to compile it



18:19:15  * PlayMeNow goes to the GNU website



18:19:33  <PlayMeNow> gotta reconfigure the upcoming patch & setup...



18:19:50  <ln-> wtf is OpenTTD Updater?



18:20:00  <PlayMeNow> search on the forums



18:20:02  <PlayMeNow> d'uh



18:20:12  <peter1138> ln-: i'm guessing it 'updates' 'openttd'



18:20:39  <PlayMeNow> more specifically, nighlies



18:21:11  <PlayMeNow> (people wanted it, I think it's kinda useless)



18:24:24  <Rippsy> I can test it



18:24:29  <PlayMeNow> download it



18:25:06  <Rippsy> read that thread while i was at work the other day



18:25:29  <Rippsy> wow slow forums on weekends :-/



18:27:00  <Rippsy> ok, dead forums..



18:27:05  <Rippsy> PlayMeNow link?



18:27:13  <PlayMeNow> just a sec



18:28:01  <PlayMeNow> true dead forums



18:28:28  <PlayMeNow> hmm



18:28:32  <PlayMeNow> can't get it



18:29:21  <PlayMeNow> I guess I'll upload the upcoming version



18:30:08  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: http://rapidshare.com/files/43091674/OpenTTD_Updater_Setup.exe.html



18:30:16  <PlayMeNow> if you want another host tell me



18:30:48  <TrueBrain> I want an other host



18:30:56  <Rippsy> naww its cool



18:30:58  <Rippsy> its on its way



18:31:21  <PlayMeNow> ok



18:31:34  <Rippsy> ok



18:31:43  <Rippsy> point it at an RC2 and it should update it to nightly yea?



18:32:00  <PlayMeNow> might give you a ton of errors



18:32:05  <Rippsy> well one way to find out :D



18:32:06  <PlayMeNow> but it will update



18:32:11  <PlayMeNow> better get an older nightly



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18:32:21  <PlayMeNow> unless you want some beeps



18:32:36  <Rippsy> kk



18:32:37  <Rippsy> 2 mins



18:33:02  <Rippsy> how far back do you want me to go?



18:33:10  <Rippsy> im thinking 10550



18:33:16  <PlayMeNow> doesn't matter



18:33:21  <PlayMeNow> as long it's not the latest



18:34:00  <Rippsy> want me to get pics of all these lovely errors for you? :D



18:34:12  <PlayMeNow> ok



18:34:39  <PlayMeNow> zip em up and upload somewhere



18:35:05  <Rippsy> will do



18:35:53  <Rippsy> ok i only get one then it (as far as I can tell) fails



18:36:27  * PlayMeNow prepares a debug version



18:36:34  <Rippsy> Page1 -> Update -> On Click, Line 7 : argument 1 must be of type string



18:36:45  <Rippsy> that ones an easy one imo



18:36:47  <Rippsy> :P



18:39:03  <PlayMeNow> O.o



18:40:35  <Rippsy> Do i even want to ask what line 7 is?



18:40:54  <PlayMeNow> just a min



18:44:39  <PlayMeNow> http://playmenow.org/OpenTTD%20Updater/OpenTTD%20Updater%20Patch.exe



18:44:43  <PlayMeNow> apply the patch



18:45:41  <PlayMeNow> and after you finish with OpenTTD Updater, copy EVERYTHING from the debug window and put it in a text file and upload it somewhere



18:50:11  <Rippsy> kk



18:51:06  <Rippsy> same error straight of the bat



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18:52:09  <PlayMeNow> hmm



18:52:25  <Rippsy> as soon as i click the update button it just gives me that err



18:52:41  <PlayMeNow> did you install it in your openttd folder?



18:52:49  <PlayMeNow> if not, did you click on browse?



18:53:39  <Rippsy> its not directly in my open ttd folder, and i did click browse



18:54:34  <PlayMeNow> hmm



18:54:36  <Rippsy> ok, just copied the openttd dir into the updater dir browse button went grey (auto find i assume) and same error on clicking update



18:54:45  <PlayMeNow> I fixed a few bugs so far, gotta check that one



18:55:25  <Rippsy> just bing me with "rippsy"



18:55:29  <Rippsy> when you got another ver to try



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18:55:49  <Eddi|zuHause> this reads like a horror story...



18:56:00  <Rippsy> our convo? :D



18:56:05  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah



18:56:24  <Rippsy> Found the production stuff int he code btw, thx eddi :)



18:58:20  <PlayMeNow> it is a horror story



18:58:52  <PlayMeNow> do you imagine how many "if File.DoesExist("bla bla") == true then" I have in the whole code?



19:00:00  <PlayMeNow> oh snoez, I spent half an hour looking for a bug that was..umm..a typo



19:00:38  <glx> VB?



19:00:44  <PlayMeNow> no, lua



19:00:54  <PlayMeNow> well a derivate of lua



19:01:20  <peter1138> never



19:01:22  <peter1138> ever



19:01:23  <peter1138> ever



19:01:24  <peter1138> say



19:01:32  <peter1138> "there should be no bug" and "i've not tested it"



19:01:42  <PlayMeNow> why?



19:02:06  <glx> it's like "it's faster but I didn't profile it"



19:02:09  <Rippsy> lol



19:02:10  <Rippsy> :D



19:03:12  <peter1138> glx: what, is bjarni around?



19:03:20  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: http://playmenow.org/OpenTTD%20Updater/OpenTTD%20Updater%20Patch.exe



19:03:27  <glx> peter1138: not he's not



19:03:37  <peter1138> !seen bjarni



19:03:38  <_42_> peter1138, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50c79adc.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd.wt2 1 week 4 days 19 hours 28 minutes ago (03.07. 23:34) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 1 hour 42 minutes there.



19:03:54  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: bugged patch



19:05:08  <Rippsy> no browse opetion (in base dir) and still returns same error



19:05:18  <Eddi|zuHause> "Beware of bugs in the above code, i have not tested it, only proven it to be correct." [D. Knuth]



19:05:24  <Rippsy> I love that quote



19:05:34  <Rippsy> Although my favourite is "My code has no bugs, just undocumented features"



19:08:57  <TrueBrain> @seen Bjarni



19:08:57  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 57 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Bjarni> looks like it



19:11:34  <PlayMeNow> no browse opetion (in base dir) --> that's what it's supposed to be like



19:12:22  <Rippsy> yea i guessed as much



19:12:25  <Rippsy> just reporting what im saying :p



19:12:38  <PlayMeNow> lol



19:12:48  <PlayMeNow> -- if we are in the game folder



19:12:48  <PlayMeNow> if boolIsGameFolder == true then



19:12:48  <PlayMeNow> 	-- disable the browse function



19:12:48  <PlayMeNow> 	Button.SetEnabled("Browse", false);



19:12:48  <PlayMeNow> end



19:13:13  <PlayMeNow> yep that's right



19:13:26  <Rippsy> well the err pops up when I click update



19:13:34  <PlayMeNow> I know



19:13:39  <PlayMeNow> still trying to fix it



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19:32:32  <PlayMeNow> is there any chance of distributing changes.log into windows format (CRLF) instead of unix (LF)?



19:33:02  <glx> why?



19:33:28  <PlayMeNow> causing problems



19:33:50  <Rippsy> Is there anyway to get above 86% goods transported.. even though there is always a train at the station loading and one waiting to load



19:34:02  <PlayMeNow> advertise



19:34:08  <peter1138> statue



19:34:16  <PlayMeNow> yeah



19:34:21  <Rippsy> Im the only person on the resources.. i'll try statue



19:34:22  <peter1138> SHE'S A KILLER



19:36:00  <Bjarni>  <PlayMeNow> is there any chance of distributing changes.log into windows format (CRLF) instead of unix (LF)? <-- only windows users could benefit from this while we know that it would cause problems for the rest of us



19:36:27  <PlayMeNow> isn't it possible to change it only for win builds?



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19:37:00  <Bjarni> that would be more work for us.... why can't you read LF?



19:37:01  <Rippsy> what're you trying to parse it for PlayMeNow?



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19:38:26  <PlayMeNow> get currnet revision



19:38:39  <PlayMeNow> but nevermind, I added a function to convert it



19:38:43  <Rippsy> lol



19:39:07  <Bjarni> ...



19:39:20  <PlayMeNow> there's no other way



19:39:32  <PlayMeNow> unless the devs store it in the openttd.exe file info



19:39:38  <PlayMeNow> which would be better



19:39:53  <peter1138> $ bin/openttd -h



19:39:53  <peter1138> OpenTTD r10532M



19:40:02  <glx> the rev is in the .exe



19:40:16  <glx> it's a string somewhere in the code



19:40:42  <PlayMeNow> can't find it



19:41:15  <Rippsy> ok 86% w/o a statue, 92% with a statue, and i've tried exclusive, and advertising - how else can I improve my transported?



19:41:31  <PlayMeNow> put 300 trains loading at a time



19:41:34  <peter1138> have brand new vehicles



19:41:49  <peter1138> exclusive rights won't (directly) affect rating



19:42:25  <Rippsy> hmm



19:42:37  <Rippsy> so veh age effects.. hm



19:42:54  <Rippsy> all my trains are only 1/2 years max on this setup



19:43:13  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: I fixed that bug, now I gotta see why "10583 < 10550"



19:43:25  <Rippsy> i've got servicing disabled if that'd effect it?



19:43:29  <Rippsy> Nice :)



19:43:50  <ln-> 107 euros (including shipping) for a 17" flat screen isn't very much, is it?



19:43:58  <Rippsy> thats pritty nice



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19:46:51  <PlayMeNow> fixed



19:48:24  <PlayMeNow> works =D



19:50:47  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: i'm afraid that now you'll have to unistall OpenTTD Updater and install the new version



19:51:28  <Rippsy> lol :D



19:51:30  <Rippsy> no probs



19:51:55  <Rippsy> Link?



19:52:01  <Rippsy> and will this work on Win 2k3 serv?



19:53:12  <Bjarni> <ln-> 107 euros (including shipping) for a 17" flat screen isn't very much, is it? <-- is the monitor worth it?



19:53:27  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: works on any win



19:53:31  <PlayMeNow> link: wait



19:53:40  <peter1138> everyone wants 19"+ these days



19:53:43  <Bjarni> my experience is that the really cheap monitors are too expensive compared to quality



19:53:53  <Rippsy> im with peter1138



19:53:55  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: Windows 95 --> Windows Vist



19:53:56  <Rippsy> 19"+



19:54:04  <PlayMeNow> peter: I agree



19:54:04  <Eddi|zuHause> i bought a 22", but it did not arrive yet



19:54:09  <Rippsy> I've never used windows vista, so I wouldn't know :)



19:54:22  <Eddi|zuHause> my 19" CRT broke down a few weeks ago



19:54:32  <Bjarni> yeah. 17" isn't that much today



19:54:56  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: you lack a monitor for weeks?



19:55:05  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah...



19:55:15  <Eddi|zuHause> i took the one from my mother, she's pretty upset :p



19:55:16  <Bjarni> then how do you read all the garbage in this channel?



19:55:31  <Bjarni> ok...



19:55:41  <Bjarni> then how will she read all the garbage from this channel?



19:55:50  <Eddi|zuHause> she doesn't :p



19:56:03  <Bjarni> good for you



19:56:25  <ln-> Bjarni: an eizo.



19:56:25  <Rippsy> lol



19:56:34  <Eddi|zuHause> she might not be that good at english anyway...



19:56:55  <Eddi|zuHause> (she's teacher for french and spanish)



19:56:57  <ln-> Bjarni: http://www.eizo.dk/eizo/smpage.fwx?smlanguage=DAN&page=1664



19:58:03  <ln-> Bjarni: 17" is not "much", but it is more than 17" crt.



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20:00:20  <Wolf01> 'night



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20:01:33  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=33051&p=608267#p608267



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20:03:17  <Bjarni> hmm



20:03:23  <Bjarni> 647 kr isn't much



20:03:29  <PlayMeNow> kr?



20:03:35  <Bjarni> yeah



20:03:36  <Bjarni> kr



20:03:41  <PlayMeNow> what's that?



20:03:45  <Bjarni> money



20:03:49  <Rippsy> PLanes in TTD really are easy mode



20:03:52  <PlayMeNow> oh



20:03:53  <Rippsy> krona isn't it?



20:03:57  <Bjarni> no



20:04:01  <Bjarni> kroner



20:04:01  <glx> the money of a country that doesn't want to use euro :)



20:04:07  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: get av8



20:04:17  <Rippsy> im not using any grfs yet



20:04:30  <PlayMeNow> well on av8 planes = hard big bucks



20:04:36  <Bjarni> it's the currency of a country, which has a financial benefit for not using euro



20:04:41  <Rippsy> PlayMeNow, you still have the debug window open in that build you posted on the forum btw



20:04:47  <PlayMeNow> if you get a profitable 747, you're rich



20:04:50  <Rippsy> PlayMeNow, hmm i'll check it out



20:04:55  <PlayMeNow> you can get a 747 earn 3 mil a year



20:05:00  <Rippsy> :O



20:05:09  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: oops, gotta tell that



20:05:37  <ln-> Bjarni: indeed, that's a damn cheap price for a tft with dvi connector.



20:05:51  <Rippsy> PlayMeNow, thought for your updater, make it put itself in the OpenTTD Programs menu>



20:07:31  <Rippsy> PlayMeNow, seemed to work, do you still want the debug output?



20:09:16  <PlayMeNow> yes



20:09:22  <PlayMeNow> EDIT: I forgot, I added a debug window in order to help me find bugs, so don't scream ;) If you get an error (a pop-up with something like "Line 7 - Argument #1 must be type of string"), copy all the text from that window or make a screenshot with the window visible and post it here.



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20:09:34  <Rippsy> ehe



20:11:08  <Bjarni> stupid page. It learns that I have the page in Danish, but when it has to guess where I am, it decides that it's most likely Helsinki



20:11:11  <Rippsy> got an email i can send it you too at?



20:11:20  <Rippsy> not got any webspace handy at mo



20:12:18  <PlayMeNow> admin@playmenow.org



20:12:26  <PlayMeNow> or playmenow@gmail.com (faster)



20:12:41  * Bjarni starts his address harvesting script



20:12:46  <Rippsy> LOL



20:12:54  <PlayMeNow> lol



20:12:54  <Rippsy> you sell them off to spam compnaies for $2 a pop ya?



20:13:15  <PlayMeNow> I get 273 spam messages a day on my admin@playmenow.org e-mail



20:13:20  <Bjarni> that's none of your business



20:13:20  <PlayMeNow> and 27 on the gmail



20:13:22  <Rippsy> that sounds fun



20:13:27  <Rippsy> I get non on my gmail



20:13:32  <Rippsy> but im very cagey with the address :)



20:13:35  <PlayMeNow> Thunderbird loves trashing spam



20:13:35  <Rippsy> its only used for person-person contact



20:13:37  <Rippsy> no websites



20:14:03  <Rippsy> sent



20:14:19  <Bjarni> after I set up my new spam filter, I get 0 spam mails/day



20:14:27  <PlayMeNow> received



20:14:28  <Rippsy> He also only gets 1 legit email ;)



20:14:30  <Bjarni> and it has yet to pick on a non-spam as spam



20:14:40  <Rippsy> awww spoil my fun :P



20:15:16  <Bjarni> hmm



20:15:17  <PlayMeNow> damn, I hate all those TRACE: LastError = 0 ("Success.")



20:15:17  <PlayMeNow> TRACE: LastError = 0 ("Success.")



20:15:17  <PlayMeNow> TRACE: LastError = 0 ("Success.")



20:15:25  <Bjarni> 7 messages filtered out daily



20:15:35  <Bjarni> which is 29% of all mail



20:15:40  <PlayMeNow> 20 lines of "al ok" for downloading a few bytes



20:15:44  <Rippsy> doesn't it spam those each time it successfully completes a loop?



20:15:45  <PlayMeNow> *all



20:15:52  <Bjarni> but this is AFTER the server side spam filter (which I also installed)



20:16:04  <Rippsy> lol Bjarni were you having spam issues? :P



20:16:15  <Bjarni> yeah



20:16:20  <Rippsy> see what I rekon he really did, he harvests addresses off here, and sacrifices other peoples emails to stop him receiving them



20:16:41  <Bjarni> I installed the server side filter because of << 100 spam messages/day



20:17:15  <Bjarni> but it needed too much updating all the time, so I changed it into something much simpler and then I have a client side filter as well



20:17:17  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: log is ok, no errors



20:18:20  <PlayMeNow> you have been rewared one cookie



20:18:20  <Rippsy> nice,



20:18:23  <Rippsy> :D



20:18:26  <Bjarni> I don't know how many mails the server side filter catches, but it's a lot



20:18:33  <Rippsy> *puts it aside for bargining later*



20:18:37  <PlayMeNow> lol



20:18:41  <Bjarni> I didn't bother to code a counter



20:18:43  <Rippsy> Would it spend my cookie if I made a sugguestion?



20:18:53  <PlayMeNow> no



20:19:06  <PlayMeNow> LMAO! D: (Ubuntu) free space: 0 bytes



20:19:13  <Rippsy> Set a time when it auto checks version and download/installs the latest nightly



20:19:29  <Rippsy> so us people with nightly servers don't have to do 2 machines (yes im that lazy)



20:20:21  <PlayMeNow> I don't understand what you want to do with that feature



20:20:42  <Rippsy> so i leave it running on my server



20:20:50  <Rippsy> and once a day at XX:XX it'll check/download the new nightly



20:20:53  <PlayMeNow> oh



20:21:12  <PlayMeNow> a problem: it doesn't check if oepn is running, and lcoses itself after it runs open



20:21:16  <PlayMeNow> *closes



20:21:20  <Rippsy> hmm



20:21:29  <peter1138> easy



20:21:31  <Rippsy> Suppose I could just setup a schedualed task under windows to do it



20:21:41  <peter1138> have a parameter that makes it do everything automatically



20:21:50  <peter1138> then rely on the user setting it up as a scheduled task



20:21:56  <Rippsy> ^



20:21:58  <Rippsy> what he said



20:22:05  <PlayMeNow> like OpenTTD Updater.exe -silent



20:22:09  <Rippsy> yea



20:22:13  <Rippsy> and it'll auto run the update



20:22:15  <Rippsy> then launch TTD



20:22:24  <PlayMeNow> post on the forums so I won't forget



20:22:25  <Rippsy> (or openttd.exe -d)



20:22:29  <Rippsy> will do



20:22:34  <PlayMeNow> but wait a sec



20:22:40  <PlayMeNow> what if open is running?



20:22:42  <glx> -d is not a server :)



20:22:50  <Rippsy> thats the admins resonsibility :)



20:22:55  <Rippsy> if openttd is running it cancels



20:23:01  <Rippsy> he should've closed it / had it close first



20:23:05  <PlayMeNow> ok



20:23:25  <PlayMeNow> I could make it internal, but TMWFTLB



20:23:50  <Rippsy> :D



20:24:16  <Rippsy> if you keep working on it in this context you could turn it into a server manager ;) but thats deffo out of scope ;P



20:25:15  <Rippsy> ok im stumped whats v



20:25:16  <Rippsy> TMWFTLB



20:25:51  <Tefad> LB?



20:25:54  <PlayMeNow> Too Much Work For Too Little Benefit



20:25:57  <Tefad> ah



20:26:03  <Tefad> i figured out the first part



20:26:04  <Tefad> : D



20:26:29  <Rippsy> I need to start using that at work



20:26:31  <Rippsy> its so relevant



20:28:08  <PlayMeNow> ok so it'll be OpenTTD Updater.exe -silent on next release



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20:28:38  <Rippsy> nice :)



20:28:51  <PlayMeNow> it'll update then if you use -run also (OpenTTD Updater.exe -silent -run) it'll run open after it finishes



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20:29:10  <PlayMeNow> gotta move some script into functions



20:32:49  <Rippsy> Suppose if I get really bored at work I'll start writing a website based server control ... boy that'll be fun :D



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20:39:42  <Rippsy> I've just noticed an interesting bug with the graphs and stuff 'traveling' under them and them not being re-drawn properly



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20:45:45  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: done, not tested, too lazy



20:46:25  <Rippsy> kk



20:46:54  <PlayMeNow> over 7 versions in one day =D (3 were private)



20:47:44  <Rippsy> Scary :D



20:47:55  <PlayMeNow> :)



20:48:06  <TinoDidriksen> For consistency, should use -- for longer options. - is for single letter options.



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20:48:23  <PlayMeNow> meh



20:48:38  <PlayMeNow> you made me stop compiling the setup



20:51:00  <Rippsy> lol



20:52:21  <PlayMeNow> heh, the setup rose 3 KB in size from 0.4 :))



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20:56:13  <sartsj> hmm thats silly



20:56:27  <sartsj> i have improved loading enabled



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20:56:51  <sartsj> now i have 2 passenger trains, which arent set to 'full load', but this station is so busy, that the first train that arrives keeps loading passengers



20:57:11  <PlayMeNow> so?



20:57:11  <sartsj> then the second train arrives, and leaves immediately, because the other train is loading all the passengers



20:57:18  <Rippsy> ah



20:57:19  <Rippsy> lol



20:57:35  <PlayMeNow> that's ok



20:57:35  <sartsj> it should at least wait until the other train leaves imo



20:57:36  <Smoovious> perhaps you should  set them to 'full load' then... then they'll wait



20:57:43  <PlayMeNow> yeah



20:57:46  <sartsj> i know



20:57:56  <sartsj> but i never did that with passengers before



20:57:59  <PlayMeNow> it gets no pax, doesn't need to wait for laod, then it leaves



20:58:03  <Rippsy> yea



20:58:04  <PlayMeNow> then it was a bug



20:58:22  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=33051&p=608267#p608267



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20:58:48  <PlayMeNow> (debug windows is still there, might not minimize, not sure)



20:58:59  <sartsj> i get why it's working like this



20:59:05  <sartsj> just seems like silly behaviour



20:59:29  <Smoovious> well, if  ya don't wanna wait for them t o board, then that's what ya get



20:59:49  <PlayMeNow> so until we get pax destinations, it's ok



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21:00:36  <sartsj> hmm



21:00:55  <sartsj> i guess my ctrl button on my keyboard was not functioning again



21:01:03  <sartsj> because those 2 passenger trains didnt have their orders shared



21:01:14  <sartsj> which made one still doing 'full load' in that station



21:01:17  <sartsj> while the other one didnt



21:01:41  <sartsj> stupid keyboard ;p



21:02:02  <Rippsy> owned :D



21:02:06  <PlayMeNow> yeah



21:02:52  <PlayMeNow> a multimedia slim (1 inch thick) keyboard from A4tech (with A-Shape format) is 7 bucks here



21:03:29  <PlayMeNow> but watch out, if food goes under the keys, you can be in deep trouble



21:03:49  <PlayMeNow> I got abut 400g of bread from mine (lol)



21:04:26  <PlayMeNow> Rippsy: I now require you to download MediaX in order to get a cookie for your suggestion (jk:P)



21:04:36  <Rippsy> :D



21:05:11  <sartsj> this keyboard cost me 24 euros



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21:05:17  <PlayMeNow> lol?!



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21:05:24  <sartsj> logitech ultrax



21:05:31  <PlayMeNow> what does it do, prepare coffe & brush your teeth?



21:05:40  <sartsj> it has notebook keys!



21:05:44  <PlayMeNow> ...



21:05:54  <Rippsy> haha



21:05:55  <PlayMeNow> mine has gold keys



21:06:01  <Rippsy> Mine cost me 50



21:06:08  <sartsj> PlayMeNow



21:06:11  <Rippsy> but it does have an LCD display light up and have 18x3 macro keys :)



21:06:13  <sartsj> i'm not that bad



21:06:19  <Rippsy> (and about 150g of bread)



21:06:21  <sartsj> G15 Rippsy?



21:06:24  <Rippsy> yup



21:06:28  <sartsj> those are sicl



21:06:29  <sartsj> sick



21:06:32  <sartsj> i'd never buy that



21:06:34  <Rippsy> lol



21:06:36  <Rippsy> why?



21:06:47  <sartsj> the only thing i want are those slim notebook keys



21:06:52  <sartsj> i cant live without em anymore



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21:07:21  <PlayMeNow> on my A4tech I can set the multimedia keys (17 keys) to do anything I want



21:07:27  <Moose^> gah



21:07:33  <Moose^> fail boat at me.. just dropped of mirc



21:07:37  <Moose^> after i said "why"



21:07:50  <PlayMeNow> lol



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21:07:55  <sartsj> when you're working on a laptop 60% of the time, it kinda sucks when you have to use a normal keyboard on your pc



21:07:56  <PlayMeNow> [00:06] <sartsj> the only thing i want are those slim notebook keys



21:07:56  <PlayMeNow> [00:06] <sartsj> i cant live without em anymore



21:08:25  <Rippsy^> i like the brushed allu enermax ones



21:08:27  <Rippsy^> those are nice



21:08:39  <PlayMeNow> I wanna a touchscerrn



21:08:46  <Rippsy^> naww they get too grubby too fast



21:08:46  <PlayMeNow> *touchscreen



21:08:56  <PlayMeNow> no need for keyboard then



21:09:05  <Rippsy^> SON OF A BITCH



21:09:15  <Rippsy^> I built a sea-rail network and then the god dam oil refinery closed



21:09:23  <Rippsy^> the only other one is on the other side of the map



21:09:24  <PlayMeNow> lol



21:09:33  <PlayMeNow> sp?



21:09:42  <PlayMeNow> or mp?



21:09:44  <Rippsy^> mp



21:09:46  <sartsj> build a new refinery on the spot you want



21:09:47  <sartsj> :p



21:09:48  <PlayMeNow> crap



21:09:50  <Rippsy^> im going too



21:09:50  <Rippsy^> lol



21:09:53  <Rippsy^> but its still a kick in the shins



21:09:56  <sartsj> yea



21:09:58  <Rippsy^> Spent 8m raising the sea



21:09:59  <PlayMeNow> on sp you can build on pause



21:09:59  <sartsj> i have that a lot too



21:10:00  <Rippsy^> and then it closed



21:10:03  <Rippsy^> just as the first cargo reached it



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21:11:01  <PlayMeNow> hard luck



21:11:12  <PlayMeNow> i need a beer



21:11:42  <PlayMeNow> gimme beer!!!!!!!



21:11:49  <Rippsy^> *faxes you a beer*



21:11:56  <PlayMeNow> wait



21:11:59  <PlayMeNow> I got a better idea



21:12:06  <Rippsy^> btw, how do the profit numbers which pop up from transfer-unloads actually work



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21:13:31  <Chicago_R_A> hi Dale



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21:15:10  <Desolator> !beer



21:15:13  * DaPolice pours Desolator an icy cold beer



21:15:20  <Desolator> ahhh yeah!



21:15:27  <Desolator> love this guy



21:15:56  <Desolator> want one, Rippsy?



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21:17:42  <Rippsy^> im more of a spirits man myself ;p



21:17:50  <Rippsy^> rofl @ joining an egg drop



21:17:52  <Rippsy^> just for a beer :)



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23:31:46  <Rippsy> There is something extremely nice about being able to place 38,000 worth of signals in one click



23:34:19  <Jerub> Rippsy: hehe



23:34:25  <Jerub> I hate laying signals.



23:34:33  <Rippsy> I used to hate it



23:34:36  <Rippsy> now its just like.. oh signals



23:34:37  <Rippsy> *done*



23:34:57  <Rippsy> I clearly owe who ever coded the signals in one click thing in the nightlys a serious amount of cookies



23:35:19  <SmatZ> Rippsy: I think it was peter1138 :)



23:35:51  <Rippsy> *gets the cookie delivery train ready*



23:36:00  <SmatZ> :)



23:36:57  <Rippsy> XD



23:37:07  <Rippsy> 113,000 in one trip



23:38:53  <Jerub> Long distance passenger trains are now my favourite.



23:39:20  <Jerub> I had a brief flirtation with iron ore/steel/goods, but it turned into a mess, so passenger trains it is :)



23:39:23  <Rippsy> Well this is an oil train



23:39:30  <Rippsy> doing about 220 squares in a strait line :D



23:39:44  <Rippsy> lol i love ore-steel-goods combo's



23:39:48  <Rippsy> but the stations get horrifically stupidly big



23:40:08  <Jerub> especially with multiple ore.



23:40:35  <Rippsy> idd



23:40:40  <Rippsy> well i have a funny one on this map



23:40:43  <Jerub> in 2030 I found a corner of the map that had 9 oil wells and 1 oil refinery down 1 end, with nothing developed



23:40:45  <Rippsy> Station A has - Factory + Ore



23:40:51  <Rippsy> Station B has Steelmill



23:41:00  <Rippsy> Profit in both directions :D



23:41:08  <Rippsy> wtf? lol



23:41:17  <Jerub> oh, yeah, I had that.



23:41:28  <Rippsy> awf.. i have a factory making 900goods a month.. and then WOOF its delivery city stopped accepting goods



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23:41:30  <Rippsy> Just rude!



23:41:32  <Jerub> My factory also had an ore mine.



23:41:56  <Jerub> it'll probably accept them again in a momehtl



23:42:54  <Rippsy> Ehe



23:43:01  <Rippsy> I just station walked into the city to get the goods access back



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