IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-04-25
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01:02:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: in what kind of memory do you want to store 40GB?
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06:51:30 <boekabart_> It's all so...quiet... shhhhh, shhhhh, it's AAAAAAAAAALL so stiiiiiiiilllllll................
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08:35:49 <TheJosh> Ok i have a quick questiong
08:36:10 <TheJosh> If one client uses the command Random() and another does not, you get a desync right?
08:36:44 <TheJosh> Is there a Random() function I can use that uses a different seed or something so I dont get desyncs?
08:38:00 <peter1138> InteractiveRandom()
08:38:26 <Rubidium> I said that yesterday ;)
08:38:48 <peter1138> supply townnameparts via the command? hmm
08:39:26 <peter1138> will need to test, in the command, if the produced town name is unique, but nothing major
08:39:43 <TheJosh> I have forked the old CmdBuildTown to CmdFundTown, so i can have different params
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12:02:29 <peter1138> Chrissicom: the patch is far too old, so i wouldn't bother
12:04:09 <Chrissicom> well all the other stuff worked
12:04:23 <Chrissicom> and settings.c and settings_gui.c is only the display stuff in the patch window
12:04:32 <Chrissicom> so I thought the code could be adapted
12:04:39 <Chrissicom> is there a new planespeed patch maybe?
12:05:29 <peter1138> heh, for a quick 'fix' in 0.5, aircraft_cmd.c:2053
12:05:36 <peter1138> multiply the 6 by planespeed
12:05:46 <peter1138> so "full speed" is 24
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12:08:24 <Chrissicom> a quick 'fix' is enough as I just want it for multiplayer with my brother =D
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12:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> you might as well use the nightly then
12:19:46 <peter1138> nah, who wants all those useless features
12:20:42 <Chrissicom> has the current nightly real plane speed?
12:24:07 <peter1138> complete with buggy landing
12:24:31 <Chrissicom> well I am just trying your quick fix peter
12:29:53 <Chrissicom> they have nice speeds in the air now but they are way too fast when landed on an airport lol
12:30:13 <Chrissicom> maybe I try something between 6 and 24
12:32:22 <Chrissicom> can I change their in air speed somehow only?
12:33:13 <peter1138> the nightlies don't have that problem
12:34:21 <Chrissicom> and what's the buggy stuff you mentioned about landing before?
12:41:09 <Chrissicom> hmmm they seem to fast on the runway, airport in the nightly as well
12:41:15 <Chrissicom> the changed air speed is very good tho :)
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12:44:30 <Chrissicom> cooool you can build bridges over diagonal railways in the nightly :D
12:44:39 <Chrissicom> why isn't that written in bold letters on the start page??? :D
12:46:05 <Chrissicom> now I just need to make the days longer and the game is perfect :D
12:46:22 <TheJosh> ok what are peoples opinion of the following idea? I am currently making a 'found a town' patch, but should towns that have been founded by a player have some player data associated with them, so a town would be recorded as being founded by player x
12:46:48 <HMage> TheJosh: I guess it shouldn't.
12:47:20 <peter1138> you could automatically give exclusive transport rights though, or something
12:47:41 <Chrissicom> nah, that would suck in multiplayer imho
12:47:44 <peter1138> might not be worth it, as that can be done anyway
12:48:08 <Chrissicom> instead there should be an option to prohibit buying exclusive transport rights
12:48:49 <HMage> TheJosh: did you come down with what price should be for funding the town?
12:50:14 <TheJosh> Currently the price is $7,500,000 which is i dont know how many pounds
12:51:11 <TheJosh> the code says 5 million, but that must not be pounds, or my cost would be $10mill
12:52:21 <Phazorx> you can fund a new town?
12:52:43 <TheJosh> yes it is working, and I got network working today
12:52:45 <HMage> as far as I remember, the game uses pounds. Your price might be influenced by inflation
12:53:16 <TheJosh> it doesnt inflate very much in the first 10 seconds though
12:53:35 <TheJosh> or about as long as it takes to press ctrl-shift-c and click the top button
12:54:07 <Phazorx> question for whoever is responsible for that part - in case of cargo transfer, does it counts as many times as it has beentransfered towards total amount of transfered goods per time? (as shown in stats)
12:55:10 <TheJosh> i like the option of automatically giveing exclusive transport for a year
12:55:35 <HMage> TheJosh: I mean, check the base price for funding a power plant, for example.
12:55:41 <HMage> it should have the same tendency
12:56:08 <TheJosh> is $7.5mill enough? or too much
12:56:37 <HMage> should be more costly than a power plant for sure
12:56:58 <TheJosh> more expensive than an oil joint (few mill), but cheaper than a raw-producing industry (10mill easily)
12:57:09 <Phazorx> that is like a raw industry since it provides transferable goods :)
12:57:54 <HMage> my opinion that is should be more than raw-producing industry
12:58:06 <TheJosh> although we could all play my slightly modified patch I made for network testing that puts the price at $1000 he he he
12:58:08 <HMage> since you have to set up an infrastructure for a _town_
12:58:41 <Phazorx> it is very lucrative industry too, which enhances itself over time and produces and consumes few types of cargo
12:59:30 <Phazorx> will "originator" own roads there btw?
12:59:34 <Chrissicom> hmmm how can I change the version number in the source of the latest nightly?
12:59:42 <Chrissicom> it doesn't seem to be in network.c(pp) anymore
13:01:30 <TheJosh> Phazorx: dont know, will test
13:02:14 <Phazorx> and i really want to know about transfer cargo counter
13:02:16 <Chrissicom> hmm there's no such file sorry
13:02:32 <Phazorx> i can test or look at the code... but my question is more about how it was planned
13:02:41 <TheJosh> Chrissicom: nightly version numbers are automatic
13:03:04 <TheJosh> Phazorx: the roads are town owned. The code is basically a modified version of the code used for the scenario editor
13:03:42 <Chrissicom> aha, but somehow they need to be generated when compiling?
13:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> the version naming is automatic only if you use make and have the command line svn client installed
13:03:46 <Phazorx> TheJosh: i see, it would make sense to own roads
13:03:59 <Chrissicom> well then I'll just leave the version number
13:04:01 <TheJosh> Chrissicom: all i know is when you compile a nightly you have changed, a 'M' is appeneded to the end of it...as a result, so my sister could play ottd with me todya, we added a single comment to a source, to give her a 'M'
13:04:34 <TheJosh> Phazorx: thus leading back to the 'who founded this town' question I started with
13:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> a space would have done...
13:05:23 <Phazorx> TheJosh: i missed the beggining of conversation i guess
13:06:20 <TheJosh> Phazorx: I was wondering, coz ive gotta do a savegame bump anyway, if i should store in the town structure who founded the town if it was founded by a player,
13:06:33 <Phazorx> and i guess there should be some credit to builder for town as well as for industry
13:06:46 <TheJosh> it would have no game significance, other than to show in the town info thingo
13:07:05 <TheJosh> although i just thought perhaps the town founder could begin with a better-than-average rating
13:07:09 <Phazorx> well... perhaps later it would gain some sense... like with paxdest
13:07:22 <Phazorx> that would make sense too
13:07:28 <Phazorx> passenger destinations
13:08:07 <TheJosh> i was just thinking it would be cool to see 'Rinfield Transport' or whoever im playing as on the towns I make
13:08:29 <TheJosh> then some people had some suggestions to benifits to founding a town
13:08:44 <Chrissicom> am I correct that when I set day_ticks to 405 one year will be 3 hours in real time?
13:09:24 <TheJosh> make it real time (1 game day = 1 real day)
13:09:24 <Phazorx> TheJosh: yup, it would make sense for sure, like roads statue of owner, rates etc
13:09:38 <Phazorx> Chrissicom: can you kae it as configurable patch variable?
13:09:42 <Chrissicom> hehe ;) that'd be a little too slow
13:09:45 <Phazorx> cuz that is an interesting feature
13:09:54 <Phazorx> i think the gametime advances too fast
13:09:55 <Chrissicom> yeah it's in the miniin and I love it
13:10:01 <TheJosh> Chrissicom: make it slower than real time, so we get plenty of strategy time
13:10:18 <TheJosh> hasnt MiniIN been cancelled for months now?
13:10:19 <Chrissicom> but I want to implement it in a way so the industry production is displayed different
13:10:42 <Chrissicom> TheJosh: Why not allowing to build while pausing the game ;)
13:10:53 <Chrissicom> the miniin has one "bug" with the day patch
13:11:07 <Chrissicom> on 1st of February the production of industries jumps to high levels
13:11:21 <Phazorx> is it possible to associate cargo production with realtime rather than game time?
13:11:22 <Chrissicom> because the industry has produced more in a month due to slower days of course
13:11:22 <TheJosh> Make it 2 physical days for every 1 virtual days
13:11:29 <Phazorx> or have a varibale that controls the ratio?
13:11:38 <Chrissicom> I don't want this to happen tho, because I am used to the amounts in the game now and know how many trains I need etc.
13:12:13 <Chrissicom> so I want the days to pass slower and industry display the production of the last 5 days e.g. when the days take 6 times as long as they do now
13:12:25 <Chrissicom> so that industry production levels will show the numbers we're used to now
13:14:10 <TheJosh> Phazorx: Thanks for your discussion
13:14:28 <TheJosh> Phazorx: I think i will implement _something_ special for the town founder
13:14:30 <Chrissicom> Phazorx: What do you mean by making cargo production real time?
13:14:57 <Chrissicom> I mean if an industry would actually produce only 500 tons in a real month you couldn't play much
13:15:07 <Phazorx> industry produces some amount of cargo per game month i take
13:15:35 <Phazorx> so if you increase gameday to take more time - it would appear as it producing less over real time
13:15:45 <Phazorx> so mopre time for building but slower game overall
13:16:16 <Chrissicom> ah ok now I've got what you mean :)
13:16:35 <Chrissicom> I would need to look at the code for that, if I need to code too much new stuff I'll fail :p
13:16:39 <Phazorx> i was thinking more of having same kinds of trains and developed network
13:16:43 <Chrissicom> I am only good at programming stuff I have templates for :D
13:17:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Phazorx> and i guess there should be some credit to builder for town <- you could automatically place a statue of founder
13:17:41 <TheJosh> Just make it all optional Chrissicom, i liek a fast game
13:18:17 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause2: that's what i suggested
13:19:14 <Phazorx> along with roads and better rating and perhaps better chances of getting something (like bribing)
13:24:18 <TheJosh> i just coded it to put a statue of the founder, but you cant tell who it is. ill probablt also put in a better initial rating
13:27:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> Chrissicom: there do exist real life canal bridges
13:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> the ships are just way out of scale
13:29:24 <TheJosh> i have seen canal bridges. I just added a thingo where founder gets a better rating to begin with ('outstanding')
13:30:02 <TheJosh> anyway, i am off now, its late, ive gotta work tomorrow, and i have to run a youth camp for my church from friday to sunday
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13:57:39 <Chrissicom> uhm, how can I make the english.txt file from the source an english.lng file for the game?
13:58:21 <Chrissicom> I added a new string for patch setting and the game won't start without the new english.lng file
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14:00:29 <DaleStan> Chrissicom: Run strgen[.exe], but your build system should do that for you automatically.
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14:04:11 <Chrissicom> ah sorry I just didn't realize that the english.lng file was output to a different dir than the openttd.exe :) the added patch settings shows up in the game now
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15:30:28 <Chris[Working]> how can I create a .patch file with TortoiseSVN with files from different locations?
15:30:47 <Chris[Working]> it doesn't seem to allow me to choose files from different folders at the same time
15:41:04 <Belugas> Chris[Working], are they on subfolders sharing the same root?
15:41:23 <Belugas> like trunk/src, trunk/src/table etc...
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15:46:28 <peter1138> DON'T YOU OPEN THAT
15:46:33 <Trapdoor> why do i need SDL if im just compiling the server on linux? :\
15:46:47 <peter1138> because you didn't tell it you were compiling a dedicated server
15:46:56 <Trapdoor> how do i tell it im compiling a dedicated server?
15:47:20 <peter1138> probably add --enable-dedicated to the configure command
15:47:44 <Trapdoor> i didnt care to check ./configure --help
15:47:53 <Trapdoor> 5 golden dubloons to you good sir
15:48:34 <Trapdoor> also i was wondering.. how do i "compile" or "make" it into another directory?
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16:20:29 <Sacro> that daylength patch looks *awfully* similar to mine
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16:25:00 <Sacro> actually it does less than Wolf01's version
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16:28:20 <Chris[Working]> what if I want to fix a bug from the bug list, where can I submit the .patch file? post it in dev forum?
16:29:53 <Belugas> you can show it in here
16:30:13 <Belugas> or use bugs.openttd.org
16:31:05 <Chris[Working]> kk :) it was only a hypothetical question for now tho ;) gotta see if I can fix it first tho
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16:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> if the patch is related to an existing bug report, you probably should just reply to that report with the attachment
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16:59:55 <ln-> now that mr. D and mr. T don't seem to actively involved with the development, is it actually possible to get patches accepted?
17:02:03 <Belugas> ho... we've stopped integrating patches??
17:02:43 <Sacro> Belugas: no, we have started :p
17:03:52 <Belugas> ln-, nothing has really changed.
17:04:04 <ln-> ok, so it's still virtually impossible.
17:04:07 <Belugas> patches have to be good, and on more then one level
17:05:12 <TrueBrain> Belugas: don't make it your life motto :)
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17:05:14 <ln-> Belugas: it took something like three months to get a <20-line *bugfix* patch accepted. one that fixed a problem that had existed in the mac port from the very beginning.
17:05:41 <dihedral> i am working on it :-)
17:05:55 <dihedral> just to feed any possible curiosity
17:06:09 <TrueBrain> "it", sounds like an interested thing
17:06:23 <Rubidium> ln-: isn't that primarily Bjarni not doing his job?
17:06:53 <dihedral> Rubidium: you remember the private message thing from yesterday?
17:07:17 <dihedral> just tested it at a client id of slightly above 300
17:07:31 <ln-> Rubidium: not really.. well, he kind of didn't dare to commit it.
17:08:01 <Rubidium> dihedral: no, nor did my logs remember it
17:08:51 <dihedral> hmmm - perhaps it was the day before yesterday :-)
17:09:05 <dihedral> anyhow - private messaging fails after a few games
17:09:11 <Rubidium> well, my logs don't remember any private message from you
17:09:24 <ln-> and then, a pretty simple town name patch took a few months to get accepted as well. it could have been committed by anyone, but no one had time, and eventually it was Bjarni who committed it.
17:09:25 <dihedral> in game private messaging
17:10:01 <Rubidium> ln-: must be way before I even knew OpenTTD, so I can't judge about that
17:10:32 <dihedral> sending a private message in the game called openttd
17:10:53 * Rubidium doesn't remember playing any openttd for the last week or so
17:11:27 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you were that drunk? :p
17:11:28 <dihedral> but does Rubidium remember openttd at least
17:12:34 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: me drunk?
17:12:42 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you are never?
17:13:00 * Sacro ponders if theres an italian around
17:13:03 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: poor you :p
17:13:19 <Rubidium> didn't say I don't drink
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17:13:39 <dihedral> private messaging a player in the game seems to fail as of some time
17:13:40 <Rubidium> anyway, haven't taken anything alcoholic last weeks...
17:13:59 <TrueBrain> so it couldn't be that ;)
17:14:01 <Rubidium> apparantly when client IDs >= 256?
17:14:44 <dihedral> i bet fixing that should not be a huge problem
17:15:02 <Rubidium> fixing is probably very easy
17:15:14 <Rubidium> locating the place that needs to be fixed is something completely different
17:15:29 <Belugas> ln-, sorry, i overreacted. i'm just frustrated of people always begging to have their patches getting in, as if it was the last best thing ever
17:16:02 <dihedral> Belugas: it might be to those writing the patches :-P
17:16:25 <dihedral> Rubidium: any way i could help fixing the prob?
17:16:30 <Rubidium> not to mention people saying it is tested by 'lots of people' and it works, while it desyncs like hell
17:16:45 <Rubidium> dihedral: if you know your way around in the network code
17:17:04 <dihedral> i can only promise to have a look and try
17:17:18 <TrueBrain> p->Send_uint8 (dest); <- something like that? :p
17:17:39 <Rubidium> _if_ dest is the client_id that is the problem
17:17:54 <TrueBrain> it is claimed as " // uint8: Destination Player (1..MAX_PLAYERS)"
17:17:57 <Rubidium> but... it sends also whether it is broadcast, team or private
17:18:20 <Rubidium> anyhow, I think that part of the code needs some reviewing
17:18:30 <TrueBrain> implement a better chat system while doing ;)
17:18:33 <dihedral> what about freeing client id's?
17:18:38 <Rubidium> but I'm first going to feed myself ;)
17:18:44 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: sounds like a perfect idea :)
17:18:59 <dihedral> TrueBrain: Feeding Rubidium a good ieda?
17:19:07 <TrueBrain> him feeding himself, yes
17:19:24 <dihedral> what about this example
17:19:30 <dihedral> client with id 5 leaves
17:19:43 <dihedral> client joins, gets id 5
17:19:50 <TrueBrain> dihedral: it is much more safe and useful if the clients only increase
17:19:54 <TrueBrain> say you ban player #5
17:19:56 <TrueBrain> and someone else joins
17:20:05 <TrueBrain> and you think: he, he isn't banned, and ban the new player
17:20:08 <TrueBrain> one of the many examples :)
17:20:19 <dihedral> the ban list does not hold the id's but the ip's
17:20:27 <dihedral> but i get your point
17:20:36 <TrueBrain> ban #5 should ban player 5, and his IP :p
17:20:40 <dihedral> though you will run into issues
17:20:49 <dihedral> with constantly increasing client id's
17:21:07 <dihedral> what about setting clientid's back to 0 after a 'newgame' has been issued?
17:21:22 <dihedral> or generally only count for the running game
17:21:23 <TrueBrain> dihedral: does it really matter :)
17:21:45 <dihedral> because then problems like with the private messaging would not occure
17:21:57 <TrueBrain> haha, what if 256 clients join in a single run? :p
17:21:59 <TrueBrain> you just delay the problem :)
17:22:23 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the 'dest' is the problem, it is sent as uint8, but it used as client_id
17:22:37 <TrueBrain> network_server.cpp:1034
17:22:47 <TrueBrain> via network_server.cpp:1123
17:22:58 <TrueBrain> via network_client.cpp:195
17:23:02 <TrueBrain> 2 places to change, should solve it :)
17:23:06 <dihedral> but you will want id's to easily reach a few thousand
17:23:38 <TrueBrain> so indeed, small fix ;)
17:25:13 <dihedral> can i patch braches/0.5 with that
17:25:49 <dihedral> does not matter anyhow - i dont have a compiler for windows
17:25:57 <dihedral> i could only open up a patched server
17:26:54 <dihedral> or howabout you make a binary for me and i test it :-)
17:27:06 <TrueBrain> I aint touching windows
17:28:00 <dihedral> i'll get right to it
17:28:19 <dihedral> you only touch linux then eh? or mac's too
17:28:26 <TrueBrain> I am sure Rubidium will also test the patch to make sure it works :)
17:28:33 <TrueBrain> if he has the time that is, real life is a bitch
17:28:40 <TrueBrain> dihedral: I only have a linux workstation
17:28:51 <dihedral> i have a windows gaming workstation
17:29:06 <TrueBrain> hmm, we should port OpenTTD to that :p
17:31:23 <dihedral> another q for you guys
17:32:15 <dihedral> would it be an idea to be able to execute rcon commands when not connected to the game
17:32:27 <TrueBrain> "Combined with an active membership in the XNA Creators Club (available from Xbox Live Marketplace), you can also create, debug, and play games on your Xbox 360 console." <- I hate MS
17:32:43 <TrueBrain> dihedral: it was once planned, nobody created it :p
17:33:10 <TrueBrain> oh well, if NoAI is ever merged, we get SQ as default script language, so we can hook up the console to it, making the console more powerful (scriptable), and then that is a small step ;)
17:33:34 <dihedral> i am not sure, but currently i though the server only accepted rcons from connected clients
17:33:37 <Phazorx> where is amount of transfered cargo per quarter/year is calculated?
17:34:43 <dihedral> another thing would be to stop reading stdin and writing to stdout, perhaps with --quite
17:34:55 <dihedral> and writing and reading from another socket
17:35:07 <TrueBrain> make a draft of suggestion :)
17:35:32 <dihedral> a draft as in - write something on paper
17:35:39 <dihedral> not a draft as in - code it
17:35:41 <TrueBrain> or a summary on the forum
17:35:47 <TrueBrain> no, drafts are rarely code
17:35:53 <TrueBrain> else it wouldn't be a draft :p
17:36:43 <dihedral> i am unfamiliar with c
17:38:22 <dihedral> at least with as much c as i would need to write some socket or fifo file stuff
17:39:28 <dihedral> as threads would be a nice idea
17:39:42 <dihedral> but a lot of work to implement
17:39:59 <dihedral> would it not be a good idea to at least get the dedicated server to thread
17:40:05 <TrueBrain> got to go, sorry :)
17:40:19 <dihedral> i shall bother you another time :-D
17:40:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r9716 /trunk/src/ (network/network.cpp settings.cpp): -Add: server_lang in [network] section of openttd.cfg, so dedicated servers can have the little lang flag.
17:41:44 <ln-> and what flags are there?
17:42:02 <glx> ANY|ENGLISH|GERMAN|FRENCH
17:42:15 <glx> same as non dedicated servers
17:42:41 <ln-> i thought there are more languages in the world than those
17:42:56 <dihedral> no - got the wrong world there mate
17:43:11 <ln-> how do you pick a flag for a language?
17:43:29 <dihedral> thumb and index finger
17:43:40 <dihedral> unless it is a very big flag
17:44:14 <glx> ln-: they are in openttd.grf (and we only have those 3 flags)
17:45:20 <ln-> i'm saying there is no 1:1 correspondence between languages and flags.
17:45:58 <peter1138> ln-, only you brought up languages :p
17:48:26 <eJoJ> Does it exist any uppdateded howtos to compile with free software under windows?
17:49:01 * Zuu just wrote an almost useless middle button scroll emulation patch, probably only usefull for him.
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17:50:29 <Sjoerd-> those 0.5.0 screenshots on the openttd website are great
17:52:00 <Rubidium> (or are those too updated, i.e. they don't apply to 0.5.1?)
17:52:46 <eJoJ> this does the wiki say : Source tested: OTTD r1238.
17:52:49 <glx> mingw howto is not up to date for trunk, it even miss freetype for 0.5.0
17:53:08 <Sjoerd-> nooooooooo my house is on fire!!! PLease HELP ALLMIGHT DEVS!! :( ?
17:54:07 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: your patch doesn't work
17:54:35 <dihedral> why is that Rubidium
17:54:52 <Rubidium> well, because I can't get private messages with client IDs > 300
17:55:20 <dihedral> so at least we got from 256 to 300 right :-P
17:55:34 <dihedral> missing a couple of thousand there
17:56:26 <Digitalfox[Home]> "nooooooooo my house is on fire!!! PLease HELP ALLMIGHT DEVS!! :( ?" What???
17:57:09 <dihedral> so what could the reason be Rubidium for it not working if not that?
17:57:36 <Rubidium> more cases where uint8's are sent instead of uint16's probably
17:59:28 <Sjoerd-> Q: Is there some place with all or close to all information about growing towns? There is some in the Towns article on wiki but very limited.
18:00:05 <Sjoerd-> I have too, searched the forums, but nobody seems to really know how stuff works :)
18:05:51 <Belugas> the town_cmd.cpp file is the best place for it, but i don't think that is waht you're looking for, Sjoerd-
18:05:58 <Belugas> what exactly are you looking for?
18:06:56 <Sjoerd-> Everything, for example, if it makes a difference if I bring 100 goods a month or 1000000000 goods a month.
18:07:53 <Sjoerd-> And also, if the towns just expand the way they like, and in particular around stations/bus stops.
18:08:34 <Sjoerd-> If it makes a difference how much trains/busses visit a town or only how much passengers they take with them and/or bring.
18:09:26 <Rubidium> dihedral/TrueBrain: the client index gets already truncated when clicking the 'private message' button...
18:11:15 <dihedral> so does that mean that the ded-server can send pm's just not the clients?
18:11:28 <dihedral> or should it still work when i use the console from the client?
18:11:59 <Rubidium> don't know, but that might be true
18:12:12 <dihedral> how about i go test it
18:12:55 <Sjoerd-> I think specs can't send pm's, not sure if it's related in any way.
18:13:24 <Belugas> Sjoerd- about your questions, it really means going in the code and checking
18:13:32 <Belugas> out of memeory, i cannot answer
18:13:46 <Belugas> and i doubt any wiki page has those informations
18:14:19 <Sjoerd-> I'm currently trying to make sense of the code :)
18:14:30 <Sjoerd-> Thanks for pointing me to the correct file.
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18:15:31 <Sjoerd-> It's not the end of the world not to know these things, but I'm curious, and maybe I could use it to improve the wikipedia article.
18:16:01 <dihedral> Rubidium: just tested it
18:16:11 <dihedral> does not work as a client running say_client
18:16:19 <dihedral> but works from the console of a dedicated server
18:16:38 <Rubidium> one thing I can tell, that's that towns do grow 'randomly', i.e. they do not grow faster around services stations
18:16:59 <Rubidium> why is '0.' so hard to type?
18:17:35 <dihedral> it's not hard, just takes more time
18:18:00 <Rubidium> or you're a Java freak (though then it's 1.5.0 vs. 5.0)
18:22:04 <dihedral> actually i should have put .5.0
18:22:30 <dihedral> and i am not a java freak - not yet at least
18:22:53 <Zuu> dihedral: skip qwerty and get a decent keyboard layout with the dot on the left side :)
18:23:22 <Zuu> Then 0. will not get that hard to type :)
18:23:37 <dihedral> like i said - it aint hard to type
18:23:45 <Belugas> Sjoerd-, it iw a good initiative, to extract those informations. Those type of questions have frequently been asked
18:23:51 <dihedral> using the shift key takes more time
18:24:12 <Zuu> using the same hand for both 0 and dot takes more time than hand alteration. :)
18:24:18 <Rubidium> dihedral:sowejustskipspacesasthatsavestimetotypeandalsocapitalsandinterpunctionbecausethattakeslesstime
18:24:49 <dihedral> yeah but then reading it takes more time too
18:25:29 <dihedral> but to be honest, women have even perfected their way of talking without breathing :-D
18:27:24 <dihedral> and that is even harder to follow than that sentence with no spaces
18:27:42 <Sacro> Rubidium: atLeastCanYouTypeInCamelCaseItMakesItALotEasierToRead
18:28:41 <dihedral> Sacro: shift key again - wasts soooo much time
18:28:55 <Rubidium> Sacro: his point was that using shift (and thus most of the interpunction) takes 'too' much time
18:28:59 <Sacro> can't say i notice much difference
18:29:19 <dihedral> i aint really being serious
18:29:20 <Sacro> and smiliys are quick too ?
18:29:24 <dihedral> just in case you have not noticed
18:29:45 <dihedral> i always have a smiley in the clipboard
18:30:09 * Zuu even made a macro for a smiley and enter in his keyboard.. :)
18:30:11 <dihedral> enough of my silly talk
18:30:40 <Zuu> But that was most because I had to have some use for that "key".
18:31:12 <dihedral> the one under escape?
18:31:20 <dihedral> no wonder you cannot open the console in a game
18:31:25 <Zuu> Nope, the one under my desk. :)
18:31:55 <Zuu> Quite useless thing I bought...
18:32:31 <Zuu> Best use: pausing a movie while you are eating someting and don't want to touch the keyboard. :)
18:33:10 <Zuu> And I don't watch anime anymore....
18:36:05 <dihedral> would you be able to provide a patch against brances/0.5?
18:36:49 <dihedral> or is it going to be included in the next release anyway then?
18:37:13 <Rubidium> uhm, not directly I fear; I'm using OO in the patch
18:38:02 <dihedral> it does look like a bigger patch than that of TrueBrain
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18:38:24 <dihedral> any way this could be backported?
18:38:29 <Rubidium> it's TrueBrain patch and much more
18:38:47 <Rubidium> dihedral: well, I think it could be backported in some (more ugly) form
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18:40:08 <dihedral> depending on the plans for 0.6 (please not the 0) it would not really matter
18:43:11 <dihedral> i mean - it would not matter if it was backported a little dirty
19:15:22 * boekabart is cleaning up his office in preparation of the visit of his in-laws. :(
19:18:26 <dihedral> i am just happy that i am not married :-)
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19:19:09 <Rubidium> staying at the office while your in-laws visit your wife?
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19:31:45 <boekabart> My office-room at home I mean
19:32:10 <boekabart> They come from abroad and will stay with us for a week... sounds like a bad movie doesn't it?
19:32:29 <boekabart> ... i doubt i will get much work done on ottd next week ...
19:33:35 <Bjarni> you failed to find a girlfriend, so you ordered one from Eastern Europe?
19:34:51 <XeryusTC> oh, the Bjarni is back
19:35:05 <XeryusTC> i only head to read the (bad) joke without reading the nick and i knew it was you :P
19:35:33 <Bjarni> hey he said they come from abroad...
19:35:35 <peter1138> heh, my family is online
19:35:54 <Bjarni> so is everybody else in this channel
19:36:07 <peter1138> yeah, but who cares about them?
19:36:24 <Bjarni> but why should we care for your family?
19:36:33 <peter1138> my dad finally switched to broadband
19:36:56 * XeryusTC throws rocks at Peakki
19:37:03 <XeryusTC> peter1138: get ops pls :P
19:37:15 <XeryusTC> and Peakki, GTFO my tablist :P
19:37:50 <peter1138> Bjarni: ops pls kthx etc lol !!!!11111!!11
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19:38:18 <boekabart> Bjarni: Close... actually I moved there and happened to find her there ;)
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19:42:34 <Sjoerd-> you played yesterday on dihedrals server right?
19:43:00 <Thomas[NL]> haven't played multiplayer for days :s
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19:43:46 <Thomas[NL]> I have a very memory, but I'm almost certain I didn't play
19:44:08 <Bjarni> <peter1138> Bjarni: ops pls kthx etc lol !!!!11111!!11 <--- I still wonder wtf you meant by that... it's not even a human language
19:44:46 <Phazorx> heh i think he wants a +o
19:45:30 <Phazorx> peter1138 (or anyone else knowledgable on subject) at which point of time cargo countrs towards player's delivered units per quarter/year stat ?
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20:00:31 <Belugas> Phazorx, in ecomomy.cpp:1656, i can see a functoin called PlayersMonthlyLoop, which has a call to PlayersGenStatistics
20:00:40 <Belugas> so i would say once per month,
20:00:52 <Belugas> or twelve times a year...
20:01:25 <Belugas> don't know if it is what you are looking for
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20:53:29 <Phazorx> Belugas: not quite, that just wraps numbers and presents them... but there they come from is my question
20:54:20 <Phazorx> since i notices that if i used transfer system - i noticably higher transfered cargo per time number...
20:54:56 <Phazorx> that means either shuttle/transfer based networks are more efficient or that there is a bug and same cargo counter multiple times - every time it unloads
20:58:16 <Belugas> if i understand what you're saying, you mean that cargo been transfered is counted as delivered twice
20:58:28 <Belugas> and twice at final delivery
20:58:42 <Phazorx> well not twice - as many as it is unloaded
20:58:55 <Phazorx> at least once and at every hub transfer
20:59:07 <Phazorx> but that is just an assumption - iwant to find out from code
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21:06:39 <Belugas> Phazorx : i think you'll find it in economy.cpp:1280, function DeliverGoods
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21:19:44 <Phazorx> can't find where that function is called from :/
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22:06:26 <Phazorx> loadunloadvehicle() is called at every station where train unloads, not only final destination right ?
22:06:33 <Digitalfox[Home]> DaleStan: Sorry but the guy just said this "Only thing is OTTD seems to tag the grf as "unsafe", thus not allowing its use in the "static grf" section." about a grf topic that already existed.. Dalestan could you please a little more nice to openttd comunity..
22:07:12 <Phazorx> i have a feeling there is a bug with how delivered_cargo number is calculated for transfered goods
22:07:20 <Digitalfox[Home]> You almost make it sound like the user made a crime
22:10:22 <DaleStan> Digitalfox[Home]: It did. It wasted all our time (including its own) posting something that at least 95% of the people that read that thread neither care about nor have any any power to fix.
22:11:45 <Digitalfox[Home]> DaleStan: Ok, but you could just said to the user to report in openttd problems section..
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22:26:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> Phazorx: i think the way transfer is supposed to work is that upon transferring, you get a price animation, and that price is stored in the cargo, but not added to the real money, then at final delivery, all stored prices are added to money without price animation, only for the final part you will get a real price animation
22:26:41 <Phazorx> this is about delivered cargo
22:26:55 <Phazorx> which is one of calulcated stats
22:27:06 <Phazorx> in DeliverGoods() function
22:27:29 <Phazorx> p->cur_economy.delivered_cargo += num_pieces;
22:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah, so you want transferred goods not count for delivery stats?
22:27:35 <Phazorx> and that is called at every unload
22:27:45 <Phazorx> well it doesnt make sense
22:27:56 <Phazorx> with 4 transfer points
22:28:07 <Phazorx> got 20t of cargo delivered via 5 vehicles
22:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, then just introduce a check for "transfer" order there
22:28:14 <Phazorx> got 100 delivered cargo per month
22:31:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> pecet: i would give them some time...
22:33:41 <pecet> Eddi|zuHause2, sorry again for nagging and thanks for that simple aswser ;]
22:41:58 <glx> pecet: someone is working on this but it's not easy
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