IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-04-16
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02:47:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9642 /trunk/src/table/town_land.h: -Documentation: Having a different macro name for _original_house_specs (MS) than for _town_tile_data (M) might teach doxygen that we are dealing with two entities...
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02:53:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9643 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Simplify a test.
02:56:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9644 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: if else cascade into a switch case
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06:35:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9645 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Feature: Add NewGRF Action 5 (Sprite Replacement) support for 2cc colour maps, airport, and road stop sprites.
06:52:03 <DorpsGek> bark bark bark woef woef grrrrr
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08:31:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9646 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r9645): incorrect count in error message for airport graphics
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10:30:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9647 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix (r6631) [FS#733]: Select "Custom" in the difficulty settings gui when changing a setting. (Frostregen)
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10:59:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9648 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use HASBIT directly rather than shifting and then using it on the first bit.
11:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause> this sounds like "clean up stuff, while we are here"
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13:15:07 <Belugas> today, we are under the rule of anthology of winter : there is snow, freezing rain, rain, wind etc...
13:15:43 <Eddi|zuHause> we have 25°C here ;)
13:16:52 <Maedhros> bah, it's 10 degrees cooler here than it would have been if i'd stayed in the south :-(
13:18:14 * Belugas wishes he was way further in the south
13:18:36 <peter1138> here it is about 20
13:19:10 <Belugas> i envy all those who are above 10 celcisu
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15:29:45 <sai> hey guys, can someone tell me if there is a possibility to get a huge credit, without typing a few hundred times on "20,000" in the budget window ?
15:31:15 <sai> ahhh, thanks a lot, very practical
15:33:10 <Frostregen> the "1-click-amount" should be modified by inflation too
15:35:20 <peter1138> 1-click-amount? quick, hide from amazon
16:05:37 <Morphy> nice anti-theft device :P
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16:27:27 <peter1138> heh, wonder how long it must've been there...
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16:56:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: miham * r9649 /trunk/src/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt dutch.txt estonian.txt italian.txt):
16:56:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-04-16 18:55:24
16:56:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 8 fixed by fukumori (8)
16:56:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 8 fixed by habell (8)
16:56:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: estonian - 11 fixed by kristjans (11)
16:56:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 25 changed by lorenzodv (25)
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19:02:38 <ln-> forget not to backport to 0.5 branch:
19:02:39 <ln-> 01:30 < CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9641 /trunk/src/namegen.cpp: -Fix (r7182): namegen.cpp was not UTF-8, which caused artefacts in Finnish town names.
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19:26:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9650 /trunk/src/table/town_land.h: -Documentation: Finalize doxygen comments for town_land.h
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19:44:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9651 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make legend system of smallmap a little bit less magic with the help of a struct and not an array of bytes
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19:55:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9652 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp:
19:55:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix(r9651): "const" keyword forgotten. Spotted by glx.
19:55:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: I guess i'm a bit eager to have a writable array for newindustries ;)
19:56:15 <peter1138> don't mention those words
19:56:29 <Belugas> peter1138! newcargos!!
19:56:34 <Belugas> uops... ancien history
19:56:59 <peter1138> Born_Acorn! OldCargos!
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20:07:24 <SpComb> this music keeps me awake
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20:28:23 <dihedral> have a little question for you devs
20:28:47 <dihedral> would it be a lot of work to make a list of maps to play in order for a server?
20:29:24 <dihedral> or checking if there is a scenario file with 'todays' daate
20:29:57 <peter1138> shell script could do that ;)
20:29:58 <dihedral> and then rather than generating a random map , loading that file
20:30:49 <peter1138> possibly a job for autopilot
20:31:05 <dihedral> na... trying to not use autopilot
20:31:12 <Belugas> dihedral, got my email?
20:31:25 <Belugas> i'm not sure if you should send it, though...
20:31:33 <dihedral> though it still ended up in the junk mail folder for some odd reason
20:31:40 <Belugas> i still think it's a long way before having a proper letter :(
20:31:58 <Belugas> i'm a dirty old junker :P
20:32:38 <dihedral> and correct a little
20:33:09 <dihedral> we can only get 3 outcomes from it
20:33:18 <dihedral> good answer, bad answer, no answser
20:33:44 <dihedral> and no answer is better than a bad one
20:34:06 <dihedral> yeah ... that could be understood in another way...!
20:34:17 <peter1138> personally i don't see the point. it's been tried before :p
20:36:13 <dihedral> btw: what is the release status of 0.6? just being curious here :-D
20:36:35 <peter1138> preferably after 0.5.1
20:37:42 <dihedral> ie. this or next year
20:39:25 <Belugas> bad answer i fear the most
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20:39:57 <Belugas> for the record, there is NO timetable
20:41:18 <Belugas> i hate deadlines anyway..
20:44:33 <dihedral> was not thinking of a deadline as much as an aim :-)
20:47:35 <dihedral> was not trying to express any type of 'client pressure' here, just curiosity :-) and appreciation
20:49:49 <Belugas> to be honest, not the smallest idea on anything.... the only thing that is sure is that it will be out one day :)
20:50:40 <Rubidium> ofcourse we could say 0.6 will be released after newindustries is finished ;)
20:52:01 <dihedral> what about releasing more 0.5.x's with little features or added patches to keep players 'hooked'
20:52:31 <Rubidium> 'little' features like?
20:52:40 <Belugas> Rubidium : that was funny :D
20:53:03 <Belugas> like newhouses maybe ?
20:53:16 <Belugas> but then, it shold be a 0.5.5
20:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.4.5 was an odd name for a major release anyway :p
20:53:45 <Belugas> but no... i think it shold wait for 0.6
20:55:59 <dihedral> Rubidium: you probably know more patches and features than me, so that would be up to you to label something 'little'
20:56:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9653 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Indicate the proper function names in the GRF messages
20:57:50 <Rubidium> don't we love those?
20:58:20 <Belugas> yeah, even more when self-inflicted ;)
21:00:09 * Maedhros now realises why the map colours are specified in the dos palette :)
21:02:24 <Maedhros> there are 6 colours that don't match in both palettes, but since they're 1-6 in the windows palette i assume they're magic colours anyway
21:07:52 <ln-> Is X-Plane (the flight simulator) legal to sell in Germany?
21:08:57 <Szandor> I have an AI/squirrel question...how do I get to the squirrel Standard Library functions (e.g. math functions)?
21:09:42 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: why wouldn't it be?
21:10:52 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's about 3rd reich stuff, it's probably legal, if it is not accessibly by under 18-year-olds
21:11:14 <ln-> because it includes the Hindenburg with the red flags on its rudder(s).
21:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hmn, that was wrong, too
21:15:39 <ln-> hmm, no screenshots of it on google, but yeah, it looks like what it looks like.
21:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not a lawyer, but i think, the symbols are technically not forbidden, you just may not show them in public
21:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's definitely forbidden to put them on toys
21:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i remember a discussion about a card game about WWII
21:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and it had that problem, that it displayed nazi symbols on some planes
21:20:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it was not illegal, but it could not be sold to children
21:21:46 <dihedral> remember return to castel wolfenstein? they had flags all over the place - so having that stuff in the game, esp. in historic planes, etc. should not be a legal problem
21:22:06 <dihedral> as it his part of history
21:22:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that had the same classification, it was forbidden to sell to under 18
21:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause> (which implies it may not be sold in stores, where children have access to, and stuff)
21:23:33 <Frostregen> it was the only game that would run decently on our schools pc's back then ;)
21:27:59 <Eddi|zuHause> (i think that the outcome was that they should be legal)
21:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause> (but only in 2nd instance, or so)
21:28:24 <dihedral> they are not standing in relation ship to historic events or stuff
21:29:02 <dihedral> ie - showing a german ss soldier from that time in a movie is not illegal either
21:29:16 <dihedral> showing the ss symble on it's own is not very nice though
21:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: that's gonna be interesting ;)
21:30:33 <ln-> yeah, because it's the "presidential" flag of finland, or something like that.
21:33:37 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: i believe it's ok, because it is sufficiently far away from the nazi symbol
21:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "(3) Absatz 1 gilt nicht, wenn das Propagandamittel oder die Handlung der staatsbürgerlichen Aufklärung, der Abwehr verfassungswidriger Bestrebungen, der Kunst oder der Wissenschaft, der Forschung oder der Lehre, der Berichterstattung über Vorgänge des Zeitgeschehens oder der Geschichte oder ähnlichen Zwecken dient." <- that probably covers the scenario dihedral mentioned
21:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause> it says "it does not apply, if it's showing historical events"
21:36:42 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: i believe there's a reason why this is the "former" symbol :p
21:38:06 <ln-> true... though the finnish airforce was using that symbol since 1918, the guy in germany only started using it a lot later.
21:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know the exact history of the symbol, but i believe it is of ancient germanic origin... and it was used by nationalistic movements in germany way before 1933
21:42:40 <maad> Eddi|zuHause: the symbol of hitler? it's very old symbol connected to god of sun, but then it was mirror copy of what we know now
21:45:57 <dihedral> it's a wonder Israel never complained, or one of the other countries
21:47:51 <Eddi|zuHause> maad: a teacher of mine described the origin like: "take two sticks, put them together, put the ends on fire, let it roll down a hill" ['wheel of sun' or something]
21:48:10 <maad> yeah, something like that
21:48:25 <maad> but the directions of spin are different
21:57:19 <ln-> isn't it so that germany wants to have a directive to ban the symbol in the whole EU?
22:06:12 <dihedral> i need to go warm up my blanket
22:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> there were attempts for that, yes
22:06:40 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik they have been turned down by the EU
22:06:43 <dihedral> attempts to warm up my blanket - that's kind of you
22:07:11 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you need a blanket for? it's summer :)
22:07:33 <dihedral> and to pull over my ears
22:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> 15°C over average in april
22:07:40 <dihedral> i always pull something over my ears
22:08:19 <dihedral> my bed is calling even louder now
22:08:43 <ln-> i though we were having nice weathers here (18..19°C during weekend), but then a bunch of people who returned from Germany told about the 30 °C.
22:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's really insane ;)
22:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> in the news they were laughing about the people who travelled to the baleares (15°C max.)
22:11:23 <ln-> these bunch of people traveled through sweden and denmark, and their photos show that there was snow on ground somewhere in southern sweden... quite a change within few days and a thousand kilometers.
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23:25:19 <ln-> interesting, i found both ISO C99 and ISO C++ standards by simple googling.
23:25:41 <ln-> not drafts, the actual standards.
23:26:13 <ln-> those are definitely not supposed to be freely available.
23:39:54 <Digitalfox[Home]> "Those are definitely not supposed to be freely available." Why not?
23:41:02 <Digitalfox[Home]> ln-: Only asking because i thought everything about the c++ was free ( but not the compilers )..
23:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's the exact opposite
23:48:08 <Eddi|zuHause> the document containing the standard is only available through a license fee
23:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and wether a compiler is free or not lies entirely with the people developing it
23:51:10 <Digitalfox[Home]> Eddi|zuHause: Yes, but when i was typing i was thinking on compilers from microsoft and the alikes... :)
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