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10:36:09 <will_marshall_> Hmm, Unreal Editor builds from one build machine are 4.5gb of binary+pdb, and from the other machine they're 3.1gb. Builds from one machine (the one that makes skinnier builds) crash randomly, builds from developer workstations and the other machine don't crash at all.
10:36:16 <will_marshall_> I am going to lose my mind.
10:41:50 <LordAro> difficult to diff 1.4G
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10:50:51 <will_marshall_> Easy, diff the directory trees in the zip first 🙂
10:51:14 <will_marshall_> One machine has a misconfiguration and is bundling two copies of every c# tool.
10:51:24 <will_marshall_> So the size delta is a red herring.
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11:18:12 <kuhnovic> Rito is doing the number thing just like PeterN
11:47:40 <will_marshall_> JIRA thinks October 26th was a month ago.
11:47:55 <will_marshall_> Basically doing me dirty here.
12:15:28 <kuhnovic> You've been immortalized!
12:21:15 <peter1138[d]> Add Backport requested I reckon
12:25:23 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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14:16:34 <talltyler> These are the same people who are mad when they speak to their dog in full sentences and the dog doesn't do what they want
14:17:03 <talltyler> "Computers don't know what you want" is like the first thing you learn about programming
14:17:24 <audigex> Can we not take a few days off the AI bad rah rah rah train? It's getting boring
14:17:24 <audigex> Maybe we need a channel for it
14:22:31 <andythenorth> this is the channel for it 🙂
14:22:37 <andythenorth> due to it being the irc bridged channel
14:22:45 <andythenorth> which has always had these kind of discussion
14:23:23 <audigex> I stand by the "Can we take a few days off" part, regardless
14:23:34 <andythenorth> a lot of people are learning hard (or not learning at all) the difference between "stochastic" and "deterministic" 🙂
14:23:54 <andythenorth> also more people might have to learn what "idempotent" means
14:24:22 <andythenorth> and also "tools made in great haste by companies who need to try and justify $trillion valuations"
14:25:18 <rito12_13> audigex: The discussion that Peter linked is fun to read
14:25:50 <andythenorth> allegedly tech savvy forums forums are full of users who swear that the robots will be good, just as soon as they have the correct facts in their database
14:26:08 <andythenorth> dunning kruger hits hard to people who like buying fashionable devices
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14:35:51 <talltyler> Congratulations are also in order to the newest members of our Triage Team on GitHub, who will be helping communicate with new contributors, triage bug reports, etc. Thanks for mmtunligit, tabytac, and emperorjake for stepping up to help!
14:46:10 <kuhnovic> Congrats everyone, and thank you for the good work you are doing ❤️
14:53:11 <peter1138> mmtunligit, I reverted your change for station coverage updates as there was some issues, and it was the quickest fix for 16.0. You are of course welcome to revisit the change.
14:54:17 <mmtunligit> thanks for the heads up
15:35:27 <belajalilija> @ devs - I have made a new channel on the discord for discussion of AI, please read what i said and drop any thoughts you have
15:42:41 <peter1138> Maximum interface scale is limited by window size, but the slider shows the full range still, mainly because if we only show the limited range it behaves quite awkwardly.
15:43:13 <peter1138> This is to stem the "I accidentally interface size too large and now I can't fix it" issue.
15:43:18 <mmtunligit> peter1138: I think the coverage update stuff probably makes sense to call in OnInvalidateData, assuming of course that actually gets called as needed.
15:43:58 <mmtunligit> We have all these wonderful functions for window events that someone clearly made with purpose and intention and then everyone since then has just done whatever the hell they wanted to
15:44:06 <peter1138> I don't know :) I didn't want to whack-a-mole and then maybe end up with other edge cases.
15:44:21 <mmtunligit> yeah no this is mostly just me thinking aloud
15:44:39 <peter1138> For sure. Originally a LOT of window events were handled in OnPaint() (or rather the original version of it)
15:45:02 <mmtunligit> maybe at some point i can figure out how windows are actually supposed to work and write up docs about it, but who knows when id have time
15:45:37 <peter1138> The tile highlight stuff is particularly awkward tbh.
15:46:24 <peter1138> Like you are not even interacting with the window, but still it needs to fire.
15:46:33 <mmtunligit> yeah, i remember messing with it, its both a map and a window function and that gets messy
15:49:56 <mmtunligit> youd need like a flag when updating a tile highlight to say thats is an update and what caused the update to avoid loops
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16:35:08 <_zephyris> peter1138[d]: I think that's OK for showing max UI scale...
16:35:43 <_zephyris> Stylistically, would be nice to have checkerboards which scale with bevel size... Or somehow be a bit more visible, but that's a separate problem.
16:36:18 <peter1138> That's long been something I've considered :)
16:37:48 <peter1138> However widget positioning won't necessarily align with the chequerboard "grid", might end up a bit weird.
16:44:37 <LordAro> `fatal error: wchar.t: No such file or directory`
16:44:40 <LordAro> can you see what i did wrong?
16:49:44 <peter1138> The t and h keys are close together.
17:01:08 <LordAro> has it been broken forever though?
17:02:18 <peter1138> Probably. I don't think it's scope creep, just a change in approach.
17:06:00 <peter1138> Depends if MHL or HM came first :)
17:29:27 <_zephyris> It's an absolute masterpiece... (for those too lazy to follow the link)
17:30:13 <belajalilija> I saw a class 37 one by him recently
17:56:43 <_zephyris> Hmm... patch version for fonts? 0.9.1?
18:27:12 <_zephyris> Hmm, perhaps 1.0 at some point
21:02:34 <peter1138> Heh, still had a Backport Requested left over from 15.x
21:09:15 <peter1138> Should I test with Freetype too?
21:09:30 <peter1138> I imagine it'll be the same.
21:09:49 <belajalilija> I’m gonna get a fucking aneurism
21:10:30 <peter1138> Left-over flavouring of "pork puffs"... super salty
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21:12:03 <belajalilija> I like the ones in the black and see through packaging
21:12:32 <belajalilija> You get them in local shops
21:14:59 <peter1138> Yeah. This is some other brand with resealable foil and clear packaging. The seal doesn't seem to be getting much use.
21:16:18 <peter1138> (Eek that's expensive)
21:18:23 <belajalilija> Fuck me sideways
21:19:39 <belajalilija> Beef jerkey was always expensive here but it’s wei how trends have made pork scratchings, corned beef, tongue etc expensive
21:21:46 <andythenorth> When is naptime?
21:21:51 <_zephyris> peter1138[d]: I'd be surprised if there's a Freetype issue...
21:24:19 <_zephyris> I'm working on baking in the design size bitmap strike which should nail any last issues... Such a rabbit hole.
21:24:52 <peter1138> belajalilija, they can just label it as "high protein" and ramp up the price.
21:24:57 <belajalilija> belajalilija: Weird*
21:25:47 <belajalilija> peter1138: It’s bs, half of this stuff was suffer foods not long ago
21:28:09 <belajalilija> Also it makes me wary of normal foods
21:28:44 <belajalilija> All the stuff that is designed to be high protein tastes like shit
21:29:29 <belajalilija> So when the high protein label is shoved on something normal it kinda puts me off
21:29:35 <peter1138> The protein shakes/powders, yes.
21:30:55 <belajalilija> The yoghurts too
21:31:17 <andythenorth> Is lard high protein?
21:31:23 <peter1138> They tend to be fine. That's just yoghurt.
21:31:42 <peter1138> andythenorth, yes, now pay £19.99 a block.
21:32:07 <belajalilija> Nah like it tasted like vanilla plaster board xd
21:32:33 <belajalilija> Weird powdery texture
22:01:25 <andythenorth> How big is the block?
22:02:16 <andythenorth> I was eating Grenade protein bars for a bit, until I noticed they cost more per gram than gold
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23:13:09 <peter1138> Oops, updated comment as I found the much more recent change.
23:30:04 <jfkuayue> I am sorry. i feel "cozy community" is a developed-world exclusive thing, so that third world are usually having no choice but use every means to catch up in the global economic system (including LLM) as much as possible. This might not be right but this indeed influenced people's mindset and is born in current global system.
23:31:18 <jfkuayue> I hope I can have mindset and stand with Peter.
23:39:41 <peter1138> Hmm, the train railtype list stuff never got done for roadvehicles. Is it wanted?
23:39:50 <peter1138> Cos I started it...
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