IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2026-07-07
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07:07:05 <mnhebi> _zephyris: Tis a choice to relax or burn out some more, for me...
07:07:53 <mnhebi> Pretty much only time of year I got anything left of me for creative projects is my summer vacation
07:08:05 <mnhebi> And thats like 2 weeks out of 4
07:08:40 <mnhebi> My base set project has been going at a glacial pace..for, what, 6 years now...
07:09:07 <mnhebi> On top of all the other stuff I'm cooking for other games
07:09:42 <mnhebi> Not to mention having my own game engine project..
07:58:52 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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09:03:33 <peter1138> Can I accidentally co-op play with an AI?
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11:45:01 <will_marshall_> Slightly depressing read.
11:46:16 <squirejames> He's not having a fun time
11:47:07 <will_marshall_> I count my blessings every day that there's no real enthusiasm for AI where I work.
11:47:41 <LordAro> i'm going to try to forget i read that and watch TW's video on TT vs TTD instead
11:48:44 <will_marshall_> I've been meaning to rewatch his video on OMSI, a glimpse into a stranger time.
11:49:23 <_zephyris> The "using an ai to respond to an ai written email" is terrifyingly real
11:50:20 <peter1138> LordAro, the thread is being written still, so reload ;)
11:50:30 <LordAro> $boss did it the other day to try to justify a particular LLM subscription
11:50:34 <LordAro> we were not best pleased.
11:50:36 <will_marshall_> I paid a company $8000 to move my husband's cats and dogs from the US to the UK. It was worth every penny but one of the things they did was pass almost all communications through a really sycophantic LLM that wouldn't shut up about how exciting this was.
11:51:27 <will_marshall_> And all the time I was worrying that they'd fuck something up by using an LLM, and then they fucked two things up.
11:51:46 <will_marshall_> 1) they got cybercrimed and I got an email demanding payment of $1000 for fees.
11:52:46 <will_marshall_> 2) they listed both cats as female and we had to scramble to get new export approval from the department of agriculture with a 24 hour turnaround before the flight departed. Luckily they did at least handle all that admin.
12:05:16 <squirejames> Moving pets is stupidly expensive. When I moved, I had to leave our dog behind :/ She was very happy with our friend though and at last check a few months back, Hershey was still going strong. Quite an old lady now but, happy.
12:05:37 <squirejames> But yeah, cripes, to spend that much and get LLM responses is sucktastic
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12:11:58 <will_marshall_> I borrowed the money, going to be feeling that loan repayment for a good few years.
12:15:39 <squirejames> Yeah, twas the same here. Took me 3 or 4 years to pay off paying for my then wife and two kids to come over, mostly because of things she fucked up but, eh
12:16:04 <squirejames> I do have quite a nice credit rating now though so thats good
12:17:12 <will_marshall_> I get to enjoy a couple years of not thinking about visas now at least.
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12:43:09 <reldred> Fingers crossed this bubble bursts soon. Oracle in their annuals has warned investors their DC clients might not pay up (OpenAI), blackrock is cashing out of a tonne of their ai positions, OpenAI is now chasing a bailout…
12:43:49 <reldred> Meta is trying to sell their excess capacity basically admitting they over built and can’t think of an actual product
12:44:54 <reldred> Things could get rather funni soon
12:45:33 <squirejames> Cheap RAM when? 😛
12:45:36 <will_marshall_> Funny because all the vibecoders will eat shit and have nothing to show for it, bad because the economy is going to take a massive dump. Welcome back 10% interest rates.
12:46:14 <reldred> squirejames: Oh yeah the ram companies are all getting investigated for price fixing (again)
12:46:38 <reldred> Could be funni, could be depressing
12:46:49 <will_marshall_> They'll get away with it.
12:46:59 <squirejames> I mean I don't know if it will be any good having been worked to death in a "Data Centre" but, all that RAM has to go somewhere when they inevitably fold.
12:47:10 <will_marshall_> HBM isn't DDR4/5
12:47:12 <reldred> Dunno, their pricing shenanigans is now giving NVidia grief
12:47:24 <will_marshall_> All that server RAM is only good for Servers.
12:47:44 <reldred> Even regular servers don’t use it
12:48:04 <will_marshall_> It's just annoying its' made on the same exact machines as normal DRAM
12:48:28 <squirejames> will_marshall_: Ah, well, bugger :/
12:48:45 <reldred> Alas, I must sleep now, I’ve gotta go supervise some dc shenanigans tomorrow, a cache ssd has shat itself so I get to sit and watch a dell technician replace it
12:48:50 <will_marshall_> Manufacturers will pivot back to consumer memory but it'll take 6 months to swap.
12:48:50 <squirejames> Aahh so the overproduction of HBM is what made regular DRAM spensive
12:48:58 <squirejames> rather than "they bought all the RAM"
12:49:37 <reldred> There was definitely panic buying of ddr5
12:49:39 <will_marshall_> Yeah, but it's vertically integrated in that Oracle/OpenAI contracted with Samsung and Micron directly to buy up lots of the supply.
12:50:05 <reldred> That oracle are now warning their own investors they might not even get paid for 🤪
12:50:27 <will_marshall_> Oracle dies but too late to stop Warner Bros being bought by Oracle's owners.
12:50:31 <reldred> If OpenAI go bust they’ll take oracle with them which will be very very funni
12:51:10 <will_marshall_> Oracle being split up is the likely outcome, too much government stuff runs on oracle's clouds and butts.
12:51:25 <will_marshall_> That is a money printing machine, they just need to slice it out of the rest of the business.
12:52:06 <squirejames> Always strikes me as funny when companies choose names like Oracle, Palantir etc. Mind you the biggest name in condoms is Trojan, and lets face it, the Trojans let the Greeks in 😄 so, poorly chosen ironic names are not unique to tech
12:52:35 <squirejames> (an Oracle is quite literally an *unreliable* or *deliberately deceptive* predictor of the future 😄 )
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13:44:59 <will_marshall_> Actually I do have a question from earlier. Do we care about things like std::swap/std::move/std::forward being transitive includes? (Is there a reason <utility> isn't included in stdafx.h?)
13:57:10 <LordAro> "not unless it's a problem"
13:59:35 <_glx_> includes are kinda messy in openttd 🙂
14:20:40 <peter1138> Hmm, I've never needed to fiddle with includes to add a std::swap.
14:40:07 <will_marshall_> You don't but it's bugging me that I don't know what the include pathway is for it to be there.
14:44:53 <_jgr_> Loads of stuff in the STL depends on std::swap, std::pair and the like
14:45:04 <LordAro> but yeah, probably "lots"
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16:08:12 <peter1138> Anyway, as long as works, I see no problem with adding it to stdafx.h
16:08:28 <peter1138> Adding <filesystem> did cause problems though.
16:18:32 <will_marshall_> It's warm enough that I'm considering getting a long drive out of the way just to enjoy the A/C in the car.
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17:09:24 <peter1138> I'm considering, I'm considering, a move to Memphis, a move to Memphis.
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21:33:55 <peter1138> Okay, I think this ending is not possible :o
21:38:52 <will_marshall_> LinkedIn knows I was talking smack the other day.
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