IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2026-04-27
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05:37:11 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
06:09:18 <peter1138> Hmm, `Track` and `TrackBits`
06:09:53 <peter1138> Should it stay the same, or become `Track` and `Tracks` or `TrackBit` and `TrackBits`?
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07:22:19 <peter1138> (The smell of slop-assistance is strong)
07:26:57 <peter1138> Might be wise to pre-emptive block that account.
07:27:44 <LordAro> but i don't like to give zero chances if i can help it
07:32:09 <peter1138> > AI-powered game testing that never stops clanking
07:48:50 <rito12_13> Is `cca` and `public_key` in `ServerNetworkGameSocketHandler::ReceiveClientCommand`related to `std::get` with Commands?
07:50:50 <DorpsGek> - Add: summary for week 17 of 2026 (by OpenTTD Survey)
07:52:59 <peter1138> When I say IMHO, I tend to mean "but other devs may have their own opinions, so don't just take my word for it"
07:58:16 <rito12_13> I know but, for `std::get<CommandCost>` I have another idea that might be better and then #15538 would be left with only `std::get<Slope>` and that two variables in network code
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08:42:41 <andythenorth> might be that economics causes slop reduction soon
08:43:14 <andythenorth> unless equity markets are prepared to keep funding high token cost for minimal yield
08:44:24 <LordAro> don't threaten me with a good time
10:37:15 <reldred> andythenorth: Yeah copilot are gonna start passing through the per token cost soon. I think the VC’s are getting tired of them burning billions to make millions
10:45:00 <__abigail> Sam Altman: "Pretty please can we burn through 500 million USD 🥺 I promise we will make a profit we just need 500 million dollars please bro*
10:45:35 <reldred> Yeah fix that denomination
10:45:47 <reldred> They’re in the B’s and T’s levels of insanity now
10:46:05 <reldred> It’s gonna be funny as hell if he manages to go bust and take Oracle with him
10:46:42 <__abigail> Sorry, I am having a drink at Albury station and I knew it was 500 something but 500 billion seemed too far-fetched
10:46:42 <__abigail> Then I remembered that it's for AI slop
10:47:07 <__abigail> Be warned, I am on my way to Brisbane
10:47:15 <reldred> He needs something like 1.2trillion to meet all the spend he’s committed OpenAI to
10:47:38 <reldred> The latest raise was only around 120B
10:47:54 <reldred> 6-12months tops and they go bust
10:48:01 <reldred> It’s hilarious I cannot wait
10:48:16 <__abigail> I didn't realise they were imminently fucked
10:48:16 <__abigail> I thought they were like 5 years from now fucked
10:49:00 <reldred> Yeah anthropic are now officially valued higher than OpenAI… which is all fluffy money anyway because that’s private market evaluation neither company are publicly traded
10:49:17 <reldred> But it shows that people are getting bored of him.
10:49:50 <__abigail> Is anthropic mostly business stuff?
10:49:55 <reldred> Also jokes on you *I never leave the goddamn house anyway*
10:50:22 <__abigail> reldred: Would you like to leave the house to 100% the ferry network with me?
10:50:46 <__abigail> reldred: Yeah I've only ever heard of it in the context of fucking up people's code
10:51:00 <reldred> But yeah they primarily target a different segment than OpenAI do but OpenAI can’t make their damn mind up what they want to target anyway except not video definitely not video nuh uh not doing that no more
10:51:41 <__abigail> I don't know which consumers they will convince to pay $50/month or whatever for ChatGPT
10:52:13 <reldred> None, and nobody wants to pay token rates either.
10:52:59 <reldred> It doesn’t even matter how good LLM’s are or how good they’ll get in future nobody can afford to run them at the rates they’ll need to charge in order to actually make a profit
10:53:07 <reldred> The economy is falling out the ass
10:53:27 <peter1138> Meanwhile, Jensen Huang says we should be spending half our salary on "AI tokens".
10:54:14 <reldred> Jensen huang can go eat shit I will instead spend half my salary on uber eats and Warhammer miniatures
10:54:34 <reldred> (But I’d like to be able to)
10:55:39 <mnhebi> Tbh I'd switch to Claude but I can't find a membership option I like so I gotta stay with the devil I can afford till I manage to setup Linux on my old Ryzen 5 with lots of ram then run gwen on it.
10:56:10 <reldred> I care very little for any of them
10:56:22 <reldred> Critical thinking is a perishable skill
10:58:33 * peter1138 sets mode +i mnhebi!*@*
10:58:55 <_jgr_> I expect a lot of the demand will evaporate when prices creep up
10:59:27 <_jgr_> Purple are spending a fortune in compute on what were previously perl one-liners
11:02:43 <mnhebi> peter1138: Oi, I actually understand the code the AI outputs
11:03:11 <mnhebi> I just use it to speed up shit, not bypass understanding.
11:03:48 <mnhebi> "I don't know how OpenGL works, lets have AI shit out my renderer" is not my MO
11:05:29 <peter1138> I don't actually care if anyone understands the output.
11:07:28 <mnhebi> I'd spend more time coding myself if I had more time
11:08:40 <mnhebi> As is, I'm lucky to have 4 h a day, usually its under 2h
11:09:09 <mnhebi> And when I do code, I'm usually editing other peoples code with no comments
11:09:52 <mnhebi> So chatgpt telling me where I need to focus my attention cuts down on the doomscrolling through soneones mindsoup a lot
11:10:54 <mnhebi> reldred: Trust me girl, you do not want the sapho juice
11:14:01 <__abigail> mnhebi: Sappho juice? Where 😳
11:27:13 <reldred> Peters kindly asking the discord users to STFU
11:29:57 <peter1138> More subject change.
11:30:18 <peter1138> What if transparent mode used original sprite colours instead of all black?
11:31:25 <peter1138> It is a bit noisier.
11:40:15 <kuhnovic> I would love to see all transparent things drawn in a single level opacity instead of it compounding when shadows overlap. But I wouldn't even know where to begin, the drawing code is still a bit of a mystery to me.
11:40:16 <peter1138> (i.e. I hacked it do it quickly for a test, so I could see the ground AND the depot)
11:40:30 <hazardaj_nombroj> could work, but then it would require doing some kind of checkerboard pattern for transparent objects
11:40:32 <kuhnovic> peter1138: Screenshot?
11:40:56 <hazardaj_nombroj> so it still fits in the 256 color palette and all
11:41:26 <peter1138> kuhnovic, part of that is "laziness" on the graphics authors, particularly in the 32bpp extra zoom world.
11:42:02 <peter1138> But also, it is a single level of opacity, but it's not a shadow.
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11:46:36 <peter1138> hazardaj_nombroj, almost nobody is using 256 colour mode, and any that are can just have the existing method.
11:47:39 <kuhnovic> Shadow is the wrong term, true. The level of a single "ghosted" object is a single level of opacity, but when they overlap they become darker. IMO big blobs of transparent objects would look better / less busy if they were just a homogeneous blob of the same color and opacity.
11:51:08 <peter1138> Probably wants an extra buffer to store which pixels should be made darker when copying to the screen. Sounds quite expensive.
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11:52:38 <_glx_> Some newgrf have holes in base tile in "invisible"
12:04:54 <hazardaj_nombroj> double-sided depots?
12:14:59 <reldred> peter1138: Yesssssssssss
12:36:53 <peter1138> More reasaon to hate AI... "This Kosmosphar album from 1977, Kosmische Wellen, is a rare bit of sprawling, spacey, Krautrock from the era. Except, it's not. The album is entirely AI."
12:46:18 <mnhebi> Omigoddo, drivethru depots on main?
12:46:48 <_zephyris> Not keen on the transparency I'm afraid... Quite visually noisy, as you said...
12:47:00 <_zephyris> Works for the trees, but that's because they're a similar green shade to the grass tiles.
12:47:29 <peter1138> Yeah, it was only a quick hack for debugging :)
13:01:26 <_zephyris> Interesting to see though!
13:24:47 <audigex> I like the transparency as a concept
13:24:47 <audigex> Would work better if the back walls weren’t transparent maybe? So you’re seeing into the depot but not through it
13:27:00 <hazardaj_nombroj> that'd require knowing which pixels of the depot are inside or outside walls
14:03:53 <audigex> Yeah it would need a baseset or newGRF that had knowledge of the feature, and the ability to define it within the newGRF
14:03:53 <audigex> I'm just discussing how it could be made to work better re: Zephyris' comment
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14:05:05 <audigex> Eg if someone wanted to go in this direction you could define a building as two (or more) layered sprites, with some set to always opaque and some allowing transparency
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20:45:16 <rito12_13> Isn't that a Steam internal issue?
20:50:28 <audigex> Depends what the settings are - is it possible OpenTTD is now inheriting a setting from Atari's TTD-cash-grab-edition since it's bundled?
21:14:40 <SigHunter> what could be the reason the buttons from every window are missing and everywhere I click is "close"? screenshot https://ibb.co/jZ9fgSpQ did I mess something up or is this just current git master?
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21:26:34 <mmtunligit> audigex: no, report says TTD can be shared
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21:33:50 <peter1138> I guess you messed something up.
21:34:38 <_glx_> might be android version
21:44:49 <_zephyris> Looks like the android version
22:16:57 <peter1138> I know it's the buttons you're pointing at.
22:17:44 <peter1138> But it's a/zBase that looks most wrong, followed by non-chunky bevels but 4x interface scale...
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