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00:00:53  <belajalilija> peter1138[d]: What’s this for ?

00:06:50  <tony_pixel> belajalilija: Markings for cities I think

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01:05:53  <yiffgirl> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1403544783129018448/image.png?ex=6897f070&is=68969ef0&hm=5f471373d51da746bce8a80530f73f44e67158fbc5acbaeab6953de01b89dc2d&

01:05:53  <yiffgirl> i love it

01:09:37  <yiffgirl> loses the icons at the small scale though, i assume that's expected?

01:17:58  <reldred> You lose the text when you zoom out far enough in JGRPP anyway

01:18:38  <reldred> The icons cool, I like it.

01:41:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] Kyle-McDangersword opened issue #656: mi-NZ Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/656

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01:45:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] Kyle-McDangersword opened issue #657: [isocode] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/657

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04:42:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/850bf1c715c9c240d870c03854923691c2434034

04:42:32  <DorpsGek>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)

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07:02:52  <peter1138[d]> Same as the station icons, they only exist for the medium font.

07:16:58  <reldred> Yeah, but in this instance it’s not producing an experience that’s any different than how the same feature works in JGRPP so it’s probably not too big an issue.

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07:47:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro closed issue #657: [isocode] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/657

07:47:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #657: [isocode] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/657

07:52:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JohnFranklin523 commented on pull request #14504: Add: Identify cities on the main viewport by appending "(City)" to their names https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14504#issuecomment-3170470378

08:07:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] Kyle-McDangersword commented on issue #657: [isocode] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/657

08:09:11  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #657: [isocode] Translator access request https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/657

08:10:45  <LordAro> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/docs/eints.md#i-want-to-add-an-entirely-new-translation-language hmm.

08:25:07  <truebrain> Wikipedia tells me this language doesn't come close to that bar 🙂

08:25:17  <LordAro> mm

08:25:20  <truebrain> About 3 order of magnitudes away 🙂

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08:37:38  <_zephyris> There seems to be a good appetite for town/city icons 🙂

08:38:01  <_zephyris> I'll do another pass on the sprites, think about extra zoom and font/vector versions

08:42:25  <locosage> icons are good in general

08:59:51  <_zephyris> I've thought about a tram icon for the same reason, but that's a bit of an odd interaction with pax-only and cargo-only road stops... You'd need a pax and a cargo tram?

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09:15:23  <emperorjake> Tram icons would be useful, but it would have to check if each roadstop tile has road or tram or both

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09:43:19  <_zephyris> ... but would be useful for scrolling through the station list, etc.

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09:56:36  <ahyangyi> Well, Latin is in the game

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10:51:26  <_zephyris> (controversial opinion) AI translation tools are probably good enough to provide temporary translations when a string hasn't been translated, right?

10:52:28  <_zephyris> X language has Y missing strings -> X language has Y AI translated strings...

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10:59:35  <_glx_> With string codes? I'm not sure

11:00:01  <ahyangyi> I think AI is good enough for full sentences, but doubtful for things like `{COMMA}{NBSP}bag{P "" s} of valuables`

11:01:03  <ahyangyi> Feeding all those nml language documentation to an AI agent might help though

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11:09:33  <ahyangyi> On the other hand, maybe I can give it a try for newgrfs

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11:16:11  <truebrain> You can learn an AI to understand the syntax I am sure; but humans already have issues putting some words in context (as we provide none 😛 ), so I think that would result in hilarious misunderstandings if an AI does it 😄

11:19:29  <ahyangyi> GPT did a good job in "translating" my UK English language files into US and Australian variants, then it asked me:

11:19:29  <ahyangyi> `Want Canadian English too (0x02) while we’re at it?`

11:20:41  <_zephyris> Out of everything, I think translations are where I'd trust a LLM most, they are language models after all.

11:21:35  <wensimehrp> ahyangyi: yes yes

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11:29:45  <LordAro> _zephyris: probably where i'd trust them least, because you have no way of checking the output

11:30:15  <ahyangyi> Depends on the language I guess

11:31:04  <ahyangyi> There are languages where I know a little so I have a chance to notice something is off, but not enough to make a full translation myself.

11:31:49  <LordAro> isn't that even worse? it will give you some confidence that the "easy" stuff is correct

11:31:57  <LordAro> (which is what it is most likely to know)

11:33:17  <ahyangyi> But is that worse than "no translation"?

11:33:48  <peter1138[d]> _zephyris: Absolutely not.

11:33:53  <LordAro> depends on the context. for a game? sure, who cares. for safety critical documentation? lol

11:34:39  <ahyangyi> I feel that the bar is even lower for a NewGRF than for the game itself, so the former is where it should start at.

11:35:19  <truebrain> _zephyris: Lot of languages are very underrepresented in the data set; so I noticed they tend to just randomly switch to English, for no good reason. Which always makes me giggle 🙂

11:35:50  * LordAro tries to imagine truebrain giggling

11:36:01  <truebrain> You have seen/heard it plenty of times 😛

11:36:20  <LordAro> probably true actually :D

11:37:41  <ahyangyi> "Vibe translation"

11:42:13  <ahyangyi> "Rewrite this as a Haiku"

11:42:13  <ahyangyi> Signal the rail line

11:42:13  <ahyangyi> Control-click to switch the style

11:42:13  <ahyangyi> Drag fills; Shift shows cost

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12:36:55  <peter1138> Hmm.

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12:46:18  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Rau771 commented on pull request #14504: Add: Identify cities on the main viewport by appending "(City)" to their names https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14504#issuecomment-3170690687

12:52:45  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #14504: Add: Identify cities on the main viewport by appending "(City)" to their names https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14504#issuecomment-3170695217

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13:12:31  <wensimehrp> ahyangyi: 信号信号信

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13:12:31  <wensimehrp> 信号信号信

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14:44:59  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX2] PeterN opened issue #208: Rail fences are outside bounding boxes https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX2/issues/208

14:46:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477

14:49:43  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477#issuecomment-3171310939

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15:42:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Moth-Tolias commented on pull request #14504: Add: Identify cities on the main viewport by appending "(City)" to their names https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14504#issuecomment-3171861173

15:49:13  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zephyris commented on pull request #14504: Add: Identify cities on the main viewport by appending "(City)" to their names https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14504#issuecomment-3171869483

16:10:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #13303: Change: Implement side-by-side font cache, allowing use of multiple fonts. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/13303

16:10:55  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #14466: Change: Add Icon fontcache, to allow various icons to be embedded in strings. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14466

16:23:17  <peter1138> Oh, that fix should've been squashed :o

16:27:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #13303: Change: Implement side-by-side font cache, allowing use of multiple fonts. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/13303

16:28:19  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #14466: Change: Add Icon fontcache, to allow various icons to be embedded in strings. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14466

16:32:44  <jfkuayue> Does English haiku focus on numbers of syllables, or words?

16:33:04  <jfkuayue> For the 5-7-5 format

16:41:06  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Moth-Tolias updated pull request #14504: Add: Identify cities on the main viewport by appending "(City)" to their names https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14504

16:41:13  <peter1138> Syllables I believe?

16:45:30  <peter1138> Not that it's something most people are thinking about.

17:07:59  <yiffgirl> oh, needs a rebase. one sec

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17:16:09  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] github-advanced-security[bot] commented on pull request #14466: Change: Add Icon fontcache, to allow various icons to be embedded in strings. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14466#pullrequestreview-3103157634

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17:20:03  <yiffgirl> hm. how do i resolve the conflict of `openttd.grf`?

17:22:26  <LordAro> you resolve the conflict in the nfo & rebuild it

17:24:25  <peter1138> Ignore the conflict (accept either current or incoming), rebuild openttd, add the newly rebuild openttd.grf to the commit, continue.

17:25:49  <yiffgirl> understood

17:53:06  <_glx_> Well the rebuild part requires grfcodec and friends

18:01:48  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Moth-Tolias updated pull request #14504: Add: Identify cities on the main viewport by appending an icon to their names https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14504

18:03:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477#pullrequestreview-3103166382

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18:15:00  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477#pullrequestreview-3103191477

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18:28:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nchappe updated pull request #9958: Add: [YAPF] Rail depot penalty based on the number of trains waiting in it https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9958

18:32:38  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nchappe commented on pull request #9958: Add: [YAPF] Rail depot penalty based on the number of trains waiting in it https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9958#issuecomment-3172016209

18:35:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #9958: Add: [YAPF] Rail depot penalty based on the number of trains waiting in it https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/9958#pullrequestreview-3103200193

18:36:12  <peter1138> Oof.

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19:46:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477

20:07:01  <peter1138> Hmm, maybe rail is wrong too. Maglev is... kinda not rail.

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20:08:24  <LordAro> how dare you

20:08:35  <kuhnovic> It's rail in the sense that the train can't go off the rail (without crashing)

20:08:47  <yiffgirl> maglev is gadgetbahn 🧌

20:09:05  <dwfreed> yeah, I would count maglev as rail

20:09:39  <dwfreed> railroad tycoon 2 had a maglev train that would unlock around the 2050 era; for some reason it still had sand...

20:14:55  <peter1138> Heh

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20:26:47  <_zephyris> Wikipedia says it's rail, "Maglev ... is a system of rail transport..."

20:27:40  <kuhnovic> ChatGPT will settle this

20:28:41  <belajalilija> dwfreed: where else will the cats shit?

20:54:47  <rito12_51026> rito12_51026: Yey it worked in another network

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20:58:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #11634: Feature: Custom company colours. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11634

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21:11:12  <peter1138> Pom te pom.

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21:42:04  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler approved pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477#pullrequestreview-3103286177

21:43:08  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler dismissed a review for pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477#pullrequestreview-3103286177

21:43:33  <talltyler> Sorry, clicked the wrong button. I am very close to approving though, once my last questions are resolved. 🙂

21:50:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zephyris commented on pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477#issuecomment-3172118353

21:58:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477#issuecomment-3172122781

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22:05:46  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] zephyris commented on pull request #14477: Feature: Allow stations under bridges and bridges over stations. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14477#issuecomment-3172131535

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22:31:28  <talltyler> Now I'm curious, _zephyris, do you play with local authorities enabled?

22:52:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #14505: Fix: Standardize "rail waypoint" strings https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14505

22:53:44  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #14504: Add: Identify cities on the main viewport by appending an icon to their names https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14504#issuecomment-3172175364

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22:56:42  <brian035565> discordapp.com/invite/Wdq65GeR all

22:58:38  <talltyler> Discord Moderator: Spam ^^ 🙂

22:59:00  <talltyler> Also in Discord channel #add-on-development, so as to not ping you twice 😄

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