IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2025-08-02
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04:46:06 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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06:54:26 <cu-kai> i don't even use the "AI assistant" on my phone, let alone go near these LLMs
06:54:30 <cu-kai> call me old fashioned, i guess?
06:54:44 <cu-kai> i know people who claim to be literally redpilled by this shit
07:07:49 <Rubidium> wow... a 'teacher' fixing a students' project, so they graduate and aren't his problem anymore. I wonder if age discrimination is going to be a big thing in the near future
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07:58:33 <LordAro> also, i definitely know people who can't read error messages and that's long before LLMs
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09:18:03 <andythenorth> There’s a neuroimaging study that suggests a structural difference in brain behaviour with LLM vs traditional learning approaches
09:18:31 <andythenorth> TL:DR; “no learning occurs”
09:22:28 <_jgr_> I've used pahole on OpenTTD and it works OK, though the results often need a bit of interpreting
09:24:47 <_jgr_> Non-trivial stuff like inheritance tends to generate a lot of false positives because of overlapping
10:37:43 <jfkuayue> peter1138: my mother always "recommend" me to search via llm
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11:40:48 <peter1138[d]> Yes, I was using pahole. C++ confuses it a bit but over all it works okay.
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18:07:37 <peter1138> LordAro, what bugs me is I can see the struct size and padding information in VS Code by hovering the mouse over a struct or member, but it doesn't have a way to show that without hovering, so you can't see it for all members at once.
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20:15:01 <andythenorth> maybe variants *should* be nestable?
20:15:17 <andythenorth> dunno, I was agains the idea, but then I did silly things
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21:00:32 <peter1138> Hmm, is a dynamic_cast costly?
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21:04:57 <audigex> andythenorth: Did someone say nesting abuse?
21:04:57 <audigex> There's no sensible way I'd be able to convert these units to variant-per-livery in future without nested variants, it would be insane to have all the livery variants on one level
21:05:52 <audigex> Not if all those liveries were nested into a one-level structure on the right though
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21:07:18 <andythenorth> "perfectly fine"
21:07:46 <andythenorth> I mostly only use company colour except when I don't
21:08:15 <andythenorth> might be preferable to have just 4 box on level 1, then have the recolours on level 2
21:08:21 <andythenorth> can't do that currently
21:10:54 <Rubidium> peter1138: it could be, but what would the performance cost of the alternative be? It's also a question how much the compiler can already optimise out; if you have final classes it could be just a simple direct type-check
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21:14:59 <peter1138[d]> Alternative (or rather, current) is storing a value separately and testing that, then doing a static_cast.
21:18:53 <peter1138> Heh, in 2006 with MSVC++, it was "rather expensive".
21:24:41 <Rubidium> well, purely functional a dynamic_cast is dereferencing a magic pointer from the class to get the type information, so it's at least on dereference more. On top of that the dynamic_cast needs to account for class hierarchies, which might mean traversing multiple objects to figure that out. That's why the 'destination' class being final might help in the performance, as it doesn't need to do the
21:24:47 <Rubidium> traversing as the 'destination' class can't be some other class' parent.
21:26:03 <Rubidium> so the static_cast variant is at least one dereference and probably a type-hierarchy traversal less work
21:50:57 <peter1138> Hmm, managed it without a dynamic_cast.
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21:52:36 <peter1138> It relies on a virtual method -- but a virtual method that is already called anyway.
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21:56:26 <__equation__> Hello I'm looking for some mod to have an experience in France orther than just name I'm looking for plane vehicle and stuff does anyone know if some modz that's could help exist
21:56:57 <dh1> what kind of experience are you looking to have in france
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22:02:07 <__equation__> I'm looking for a immersive experience as it's through the map the véhicule or the structure the more I can have to feel like I'm in France the better it could be
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23:51:57 <belajalilija> __equation__: This is the channel for devs of the game, you need Discord channel #openttd-help
23:51:57 <belajalilija> There’s very little in the direction of French content for the game anyway, there’s 2 French train sets but they’re not gameplay viable
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