IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2025-06-08
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03:34:25 <pickpacket> andythenorth: yes it was
03:34:54 <pickpacket> xarick: are you working on an AI?
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04:43:26 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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08:08:18 <jfkuayue> What snacks (candies, biscuits etc) do the British here recommend to bring back to China as gifts? TimTam?
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09:17:45 <xarick> group + depot iterate is slower than pure vehicle iterate
09:22:59 <xarick> gonna give it a few more years
09:26:56 <xarick> either that, or my template implementation overhead is too noticeable
09:41:05 <xarick> the new tictoc doesn't work?
09:43:59 <peter1138[d]> andythenorth: Yup
10:11:56 <wensimehrp> jfkuayue: Follow the customs
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10:33:27 <_zephyris> As a brit... What are TimTams?
10:33:49 <_zephyris> Oh, looks like Australian penguins
11:09:11 <xarick> alright, the depot strategy failed
11:34:01 <xarick> assuming my freewagon tracking is correct, keeping a list of freewagons per company was the fastest method
11:34:25 <xarick> iterating depots turned out a flop
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12:30:58 <andythenorth> How do wagons become free? 😳
12:35:36 <peter1138[d]> By not being attached to an engine.
12:36:19 <reldred> giving up attachments to become free? sounds like some hippy crap.
13:24:58 <andythenorth> does the AI collaborate with human players?
13:25:08 <andythenorth> I'm curious why xarick doesn't just fix the problem at source
13:25:11 <andythenorth> by deleting wagons
13:31:23 <xarick> commands-out.log is 2 GB
13:31:52 <xarick> what word should I look for if there's a cache desync?
13:39:14 <_glx_> you won't see it in the log
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14:08:37 <jfkuayue> £90 for chocolate gift boxes, biscuits, and breakfast tea…
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14:10:49 <peter1138[d]> Coffee and timtam
14:11:11 <peter1138[d]> _zephyris: Yes, but nicer.
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14:26:26 <xarick> seems I don't know how to check caches
14:36:03 <xarick> where is stuff logged at?
14:37:20 <xarick> `Debug(desync, 0, "free wagons list mismatch, vehicle_id {} missing in free_wagons of company {}", v->index, c->index);`
14:42:33 <xarick> well... file was 10 GB of commands
14:43:11 <xarick> isn't there any keyword like "desync" or "cache" or so i could use to search there?
14:43:20 <_glx_> commands log is to replay network game to try to reproduce desync
14:50:18 <xarick> I'm going with the old fashioned assert
14:51:33 <_glx_> anyway only scripts are using your caches, and scripts runs only on server, so you'll never trigger a desync
14:52:18 <_glx_> you're just wasting clients RAM
14:54:34 <xarick> for the free wagons stuff, yeah
14:56:45 <xarick> you're just giving me some ideas
14:57:36 <xarick> i could move this stuff away from Company * onto the AI Storage
14:57:57 <_glx_> oh indeed vehiclelist.cpp is not script_vehiclelist.cpp
15:09:17 <xarick> let's see if I know how to use ScriptStorage
15:11:50 <xarick> oh but game scripts get in the way 😦
15:14:33 <xarick> can I access the Storage of another script?
15:41:47 <peter1138[d]> What was I doing?
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16:36:23 <andythenorth> badgers probablye
16:36:35 <andythenorth> or finishing unfinished Horse sprites
17:03:53 <peter1138[d]> Hmm, apparently not.
17:04:04 <peter1138[d]> I napped instead, until leg cramp.
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17:40:00 <peter1138[d]> I was experimenting for consistency, because all the other toolbars have a separator before the bomb button
17:42:22 <peter1138[d]> Damn it, not the fish & chips craving again 😮
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17:50:16 <goddess_ishtar> defaults for settings are in the ini files in `src/table/settings`, right?
17:56:04 <xarick> why I'm getting LNK errors
17:57:55 <peter1138[d]> You probably put the whole function in a header file.
17:58:08 <xarick> hmm so that's not a good idea
18:01:00 <xarick> where would I put it at then?
18:04:29 <peter1138[d]> There's a `vehiclelist.cpp`
18:05:13 <peter1138[d]> Judging by what that function does, calling it `CountFreeWagon` is a bad idea too.
18:06:21 <peter1138[d]> Using an unsorted vector is probably not a good choice either.
18:06:44 <peter1138[d]> Although I suppose it's not too bad if there are not that many free wagons.
18:36:25 <xarick> nice, vehiclelist.cpp/h worked
18:37:58 <peter1138[d]> /me ponders missing glyphs a bit more.
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18:53:37 * andythenorth me paints trains
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19:02:07 <xarick> includes are difficult to understand
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19:09:18 <peter1138[d]> Glyphs that are missing 🙂
19:51:55 <peter1138[d]> Hmm, it's looking for U+200E 😮
19:58:31 <peter1138[d]> (Long delay, just to show that something changes...)
20:02:15 <peter1138[d]> ((Yeah, the detected font is bad, but that's a given))
20:04:17 <peter1138[d]> Hmm, I wonder if icu has a way to categorise glyphs by language.
20:04:35 <peter1138[d]> Currently I just collect all missing glyphs, and then try to find a font with them all.
20:05:07 <peter1138[d]> What it needs is to font multiple fonts to match different ranges if needed.
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20:08:07 <peter1138[d]> One potential issue is that we don't really know which language it is.
20:09:10 <peter1138[d]> And CJK stuff tends to have different fonts depending on the language, as they have different designs for the same glyphs.
20:10:03 <peter1138[d]> (e.g. Noto Sans has HK, JP, KR, SC and TC variants.)
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20:11:26 <peter1138[d]> ChillRoundF is probably the nicest CJK font. It matches OpenTTD Sans in height 🙂
20:31:56 <peter1138[d]> Anyway, POC seems to work, needs refinement, but then the rest of the system is all a bit wonky anyway 😮
20:32:34 <peter1138[d]> Like the Windows API to test which glyphs exist in a font doesn't support surrogate pairs.
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21:24:44 <xarick> meanwhile I found a bug in my ScriptVehicleList_Depot stuff, ez to fix
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22:16:59 <xarick> why does this always trigger 700+ files to rebuild t.t
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