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00:38:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #13289: Feature: Draw infinite water when all borders are water https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/13289

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04:45:03  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/c366e6a48ef1b4473053056c8738e6270a6d1af2

04:45:04  <DorpsGek>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)

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06:52:43  <_zephyris> Why slide?

07:01:23  <peter1138[d]> Just an idea

07:05:22  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Kuhnovic updated pull request #14290: Codechange: Removed T prefix from water region related types. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14290

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07:35:50  <peter1138[d]> With the markers, it gives an idea of how many choices there are.

07:43:34  <_zephyris> Mmm.

07:44:15  <peter1138[d]> Anywhere these are other clues here.

07:44:36  <_zephyris> The `+` `3` `-` number select input is pretty much gold standard.

07:45:03  <_zephyris> `+` `3/8` `-` would most easily give the number of options

07:46:51  <_zephyris> A text input field for the number, so you can type an arbitrary one in, is the most common enhancement for similar ui elements

07:48:23  <_zephyris> Huh, didn't realise that clicking on the number increments it... Would be a little nicer to open the text input window.

07:50:52  <andythenorth> do we have a spinning wheel UI element?

07:53:09  <andythenorth> probably a bad idea

08:00:29  <kuhnovic> Oh how I hate those haha

08:13:26  <andythenorth> iOS dropped most of them

08:24:24  <kuhnovic> Android has dropped them too. Good riddance

08:36:16  <xarick> hi

08:53:27  <kuhnovic> Is it just me or is writing custom iterators in C++ just a total minefield?

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09:33:03  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375768551482462248/image.png?ex=6832e3cf&is=6831924f&hm=2153c866f2f04093ba83f51880fdb35881ad7a726bcdd67358d9faf8cd834c02&

09:33:03  <xarick> oops!

09:33:40  <xarick> gonna check if it's a me problem

09:38:02  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375769806866878554/image.png?ex=6832e4fa&is=6831937a&hm=b5ba6b892de54f9fdf8b7b7062f6f91725a137b57260140a80b6a0399441f690&

09:38:02  <xarick> v->orders has a size of 0, but it's checking for v->orders == nullptr

09:39:35  <xarick> vehicle is a ship

09:57:01  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375774582539288726/image.png?ex=6832e96d&is=683197ed&hm=ce320f8c1c945e259adb2131d94b261a718571900e9c9961d315be35bb3a9378&

09:57:01  <xarick> yep, happens on master

09:57:25  <xarick> ship had 2 orders

09:57:34  <xarick> and shared orders

09:58:19  <xarick> unsure what the AI did, but the orders disappeared and it crashed immediately after

10:00:23  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375775431780732969/message.txt?ex=6832ea37&is=683198b7&hm=2172483ad41022864daf04abb90583129eadcf86c6824ac5ab582f7f2cebeb29&

10:01:56  <xarick> gelignAIte is the AI

10:05:38  <frosch123> If you only need forward iteration, std::sentinel_t helps a lot; until you get proper generators in c++23

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10:08:38  <peter1138[d]> If my recent one needs any fixes let me know 🙂

10:14:44  <xarick> the AI removes orders

10:14:58  <xarick> then it was going to add them, but didn't reach that point, openttd crashed

10:15:35  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375779255174303826/image.png?ex=6832edc7&is=68319c47&hm=7ea1a13b4a62f284a2797de2dc6312a3081521bf5f03fa61f9da6056ed2f961c&

10:16:07  <peter1138[d]> Oh dear

10:16:56  <peter1138[d]> Well I'm in the middle of a bike ride so can't look now.

10:17:40  <xarick> I'm gonna try create a reproducible issue

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10:29:37  <xarick> looks like crashing doesn't require shared orders

10:48:31  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick opened issue #14295: [Crash]: Deleting last order of a vehicle https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14295

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10:59:57  <_glx_> Hmm yeah GetNext behaviour changed, so asserting is no longer correct

12:32:17  <_glx_> ah no, it's not because GetNext(), it's because v->cur_implicit_order_index

13:09:54  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #14296: Fix #14295, 0455627d16: v->cur_implicit_order_index is never INVALID_VEH_ORDER_ID https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14296

13:11:10  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #14296: Fix #14295, 0455627d16: v->cur_implicit_order_index is never INVALID_VEH_ORDER_ID https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14296#pullrequestreview-2866293039

13:11:11  <peter1138[d]> Thanks.

13:30:11  <peter1138[d]> Okay, so keep the numbers and left/right buttons?

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13:48:36  <xarick> identifier "_order_pool" is undefined

13:48:42  <xarick> oh right, it's gone now

13:49:14  <peter1138[d]> It's not something you should need to use anyway.

13:52:21  <xarick> wish I could do something about freewagons

13:53:56  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #14296: Fix #14295, 0455627d16: v->cur_implicit_order_index is never INVALID_VEH_ORDER_ID https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14296

13:53:59  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 closed issue #14295: [Crash]: Deleting last order of a vehicle https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/14295

14:22:40  <xarick> how to check caches but not all of the tests, just my own

14:29:31  <peter1138[d]> Does it matter?

14:30:20  <xarick> yes, map is 4k

14:30:37  <xarick> I assume the other tests are fine

14:30:48  <peter1138[d]> _zephyris: "3/8", "3 / 8" or maybe "3 of 8"?

14:30:58  <peter1138[d]> World gen uses "3 / 8"

14:34:57  <peter1138[d]> Some window captions use of. "Towns (x of y)"

14:35:37  <brickblock19280> does openttd provide ELRD and RAIL road and tramtypes?

14:35:49  <peter1138[d]> No.

14:36:04  <peter1138[d]> Just ROAD and ELRL.

14:36:53  <peter1138[d]> Rationale, before NRT, we only had plain road, and trams with catenary.

14:37:26  <peter1138[d]> Therefore, adding ELRD and RAIL would've been hardcoding more things, and that is not desirable.

14:38:11  <brickblock19280> makes sense but the grf specs say otherwise so i'll have to update them

14:38:37  <peter1138[d]> Possibly based on an earlier draft of NRT which didn't have them.

14:46:38  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375847467811340391/image.png?ex=68332d4e&is=6831dbce&hm=87a370c5aea6b643cecf47282fb1f97ee1f56f0c17db4e507b48d84f6debdd5e&

14:46:38  <peter1138[d]> Kinda?

14:46:44  <peter1138[d]> Or too much like a settings window?

14:47:05  <_glx_> it is kinda setting

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14:58:01  <_zephyris> Not a fan of a frame around each like, lots of unnecessary visual noise

14:58:57  <_zephyris> Probably good to use consistent setting UI elements for setting-like UI

14:59:16  <peter1138[d]> Hmm, just a feature of WWT_MATRIX, when things are dynamic.

15:00:19  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375850908675739808/image.png?ex=68333082&is=6831df02&hm=49a497d9c4d0ac3c8d48fc3e99a5a8d9c0109cb2c933747757cfcf89c8682928&

15:00:19  <peter1138[d]> AI/GS settings are similar style.

15:02:52  <_glx_> hmm "Reset" feels dangerously placed 🙂

15:03:18  <peter1138[d]> It's far less dangerously placed than before.

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15:15:04  <xarick> i wanted a reset this single setting to default

15:15:25  <xarick> btw I had a PR

15:15:55  <xarick> ah <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14267>

15:16:29  <xarick> bool button and dropdown button need a way to reset to default

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15:58:17  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14290: Codechange: Removed T prefix from water region related types. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14290#pullrequestreview-2866370514

16:12:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Kuhnovic merged pull request #14290: Codechange: Removed T prefix from water region related types. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14290

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16:40:13  <xarick> hmm guess I also need to remove T

16:40:19  <peter1138[d]> Oh, that's awkward. When you load a really old savegame, it uses new-game settings for NewGRFs.

16:41:05  <peter1138[d]> Which is no longer on the main menu, it's in the new-game window 🙂

16:41:09  <_glx_> pre newgrf stored in save ?

16:41:46  <_glx_> similar to ttdpatch then 🙂

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16:51:57  <merni> Is that why those settings were on the main menu in the first place :P

16:52:24  <merni> I think that is unintuitive enough either way though tbh

16:52:54  <peter1138[d]> Oh, that's where my music went. Headphone output was muted 😮

16:53:10  <peter1138[d]> merni: Sure, I just noticed it 🙂

16:53:33  <peter1138[d]> I think a "NewGRF Settings" button in the saveload window, for ancient savegames, could work. But I cba to do it.

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16:54:31  <_glx_> anyway good luck finding/remembering the exact same grf in the correct order

16:55:10  <peter1138[d]> Yes. Mainly, loading without NewGRFs instead of the current setting would be useful, BUT for those games that did use NewGRFs... Hmm.

16:55:45  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375879959893118976/image.png?ex=68334b91&is=6831fa11&hm=330d1b76b3b8862d67ea252219fa466470e6eaaaa2340743e83c54a7737a3870&

16:55:45  <peter1138[d]> She is... kinda terrifying.

16:56:16  <_glx_> at least they are probably old enough to be fine with fallback mechanism of station/industry

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16:57:22  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375880368816787539/image.png?ex=68334bf2&is=6831fa72&hm=cadeac6ae77f895b826db34af0f71d7b9c4266ae7b8b530263128bddef164695&

16:57:22  <peter1138[d]> No sliders, just toggles and arrow buttons, and "x / y" display.

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16:58:06  <peter1138[d]> (And slightly more padding, chosen to be similar to the company info window)

17:00:35  <xarick> more features?

17:00:41  <xarick> teeth colour

17:00:49  <xarick> background picture

17:01:10  <xarick> a hat

17:02:16  <peter1138[d]> Well, maybe.

17:02:22  <peter1138[d]> I'd need to add more bits.

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17:10:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #10544: Fix #5713: Use pathfinder to find closest ship depot https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/10544

17:10:47  <xarick> removed a T

17:10:57  <xarick> various actually

17:12:34  <peter1138[d]> Hmm, maybe background could be separate from face.

17:14:09  <peter1138[d]> Lock attributes from randomness?

17:21:41  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375886488331616428/image.png?ex=683351a5&is=68320025&hm=5975d55adbf55c11b5c3f295851b2ed2b40ff471395f1c1474272550d4855330&

17:21:41  <peter1138[d]> Eyes, right?

17:24:05  <peter1138[d]> Hmm, maybe moving away from bitstuffing would be beneficial.

17:26:04  <_glx_> but a single number is easy to store in cfg and pass to clients

17:29:49  <peter1138[d]> Yes.

17:30:13  <peter1138[d]> Difficult to expand the existing faces, but I don't know if that should be an aim.

17:31:22  <_glx_> well it can be possible to switch to 64bits with bit 63 as a marker for expanded format

17:32:11  <peter1138[d]> Bit-stuffing just doesn't lend itself to extensibility.

17:33:05  <_glx_> and baseset is quite limiting too

17:33:39  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375889498289733673/image.png?ex=68335473&is=683202f3&hm=c0bebeff98abbff7a71a43fc8407a18381d171f7a57c543c7e0daa9b71fdfeeb&

17:33:39  <peter1138[d]> Well

17:35:17  <peter1138[d]> talltyler: I happened to already have this branch as a work-in-progress 🙂

17:35:43  <peter1138[d]> Step 1, converting existing fixed face definition to a new format.

17:35:53  <peter1138[d]> And changing the UI to not use fixed widgets.

17:36:03  <peter1138[d]> This is now basically complete.

17:36:19  <peter1138[d]> Step 2, define a NewGRF format to define new faces.

17:37:13  <peter1138[d]> I'm thinking they could be simpler than the existing faces, no need quite so many sprites.

17:37:40  <peter1138[d]> Could be Action 0 to define "a face" and Action 3/2/1 to define the sprites to use.

17:38:58  <peter1138[d]> The bits and value ranges could be derived from sprite set sizes. Define a sprite set with 3 'views' and that layer automatically uses 2 bits with a max value of 3.

17:39:28  <peter1138[d]> So it just needs an act2 to select the layer.

17:39:53  <_zephyris> peter1138[d]: Yeah, I don't like AI/GS/newgrf settings either 😉 The settings tree is better.

17:40:13  <peter1138[d]> If things like toggles and palette selection are needed, then the spec gets a bit more complex.

17:41:01  <peter1138[d]> And it all needs to be discoverable for the UI, so wild callback-based stuff is a bit meh.

17:42:21  <_glx_> kinda like townnames

17:43:00  <peter1138[d]> Hmm, not exactly? They're awkward because they need to be selected before the game starts.

17:43:02  <peter1138[d]> Faces don't.

17:43:03  <_glx_> needs to be active in intro

17:43:10  <peter1138[d]> Although for the default face it's a bit "fun"

17:43:53  <_glx_> right you can only configure face in an existing company

17:44:25  <peter1138[d]> You get to save a face in your config. And if that face is invalid, it's not a massive problem.

17:45:11  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375892398739165254/image.png?ex=68335726&is=683205a6&hm=6a2ef34117033b220767f028c86d27bc5394715ac4deff594730d7341a7b1efe&

17:45:11  <peter1138[d]> Without the WWT_MATRIX.

17:45:25  <peter1138[d]> Didn't tweak the spacing yet, so that's not right either, But a rough idea.

17:56:59  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375895369048653834/image.png?ex=683359ea&is=6832086a&hm=eef2504c65fb5617abd622241f2c405629088f5226e80db78c2b576a6d7e25d3&

17:56:59  <peter1138[d]> Tweakage

18:13:06  <peter1138[d]> Is that more the thing?

18:15:35  <kuhnovic> That recessed frame looks a bit odd IMO.

18:21:22  <andythenorth> naptime?

18:24:51  <peter1138[d]> I need to juggle between "Someone doesn't like this layout" and "This is the standard way we show lists since the dawn of time".

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18:30:36  <_zephyris> Less frames = good 😉

18:35:21  <peter1138[d]> For a modern UI, perhaps.

18:35:25  <peter1138[d]> Which OpenTTD isn't 😄

18:43:15  <_zephyris> Welll... Matches the style of the newer windows

18:50:44  <xarick> if only I could understand HSQUIRRELVM

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19:05:08  <xarick> VsCode is being dumb with autoformatting

19:05:14  <xarick> it was fine a few daysago

19:10:20  <peter1138[d]> Clean rebuild maybe.

19:35:13  <xarick> https://bitbucket.org/marcinbar91/vscode-squirrel/commits/bd99bf4168af424b4d7d6e2106e866e813ce84c4

19:35:20  <xarick> this broke the formatter

19:36:12  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375920340475318423/image.png?ex=6833712c&is=68321fac&hm=ce99c929a1d344c21251f8b48b3f0465b96856ca3f317c2c7c6feb5a2f139360&

19:36:12  <xarick> now I get this random redish stuff about unreachable code nonsense

19:36:44  <xarick> er.... weird screenshot

19:37:18  <xarick> HDR was a mistake

19:38:55  <xarick> a very expensive mistake, this monitor costed me €300

19:39:43  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375921225481846825/image.png?ex=683371ff&is=6832207f&hm=4e1948a00528cedef91f93402a20a0136c3987c9e0a474f44d59197a80a46ab7&

19:39:43  <xarick> this one looks okay

19:40:19  <xarick> that red highlight stuff being "unreachable code", no one asked for this

19:43:53  <peter1138[d]> You can just turn it off.

19:43:54  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375922277115236372/image.png?ex=683372fa&is=6832217a&hm=b79d157800729af043e6d3d55e1d5c6073fc7bfbe4bb15b0ddbaaa2b13b536ac&

19:43:54  <xarick> nice, it can be disabled

19:48:46  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375923500015161425/image.png?ex=6833741d&is=6832229d&hm=838e0a6cfd22c81eed5df1c05f746584e4ccfce0b23883ee16ef63549e94ef41&

19:48:46  <peter1138[d]> No frames, no borders, no scrollbar.

19:49:56  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #14297: Codechange: [CMake] Use ".sq.hpp" instead of ".hpp.sq" for API exports https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14297

19:50:44  <xarick> how do I create a 2nd optional argument for `ScriptVehicleList::ScriptVehicleList(HSQUIRRELVM vm)`

19:51:55  <_glx_> it's handled via ScriptList::FillList

19:53:11  <xarick> the new param would be a bool about "including freewagons", then it would pick between two methods to find vehicles, the original one which eats cpu, or my group caching vehicles method

19:54:00  <_glx_> you need to learn how the VM works then 🙂

19:55:58  <xarick> I just need a strategy to deal with freewagons

19:57:03  <xarick> perhaps a new function

19:57:25  <xarick> ScriptVehicleList::ScriptPrimaryVehicleList

20:09:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #14297: Codechange: [CMake] Use ".sq.hpp" instead of ".hpp.sq" for API exports https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14297#pullrequestreview-2866418352

20:24:25  <xarick> ScriptList::FillList isn't flexible enough, or I don't see a way

20:27:13  <_glx_> you can also read the extra parameters before calling ScriptList::FillList

20:30:01  <jfkuayue> When I bought 2560*1440 in 2022, I thought it was not a mistake. When I had to buy a new PC due to the unmodifiable partitioned 500GB was too small, it was a mistake - I was too used to 2K to switch back to FHD

20:30:55  <_zephyris> peter1138[d]: I like the clen look 🙂

20:34:50  <talltyler> Late to the party, but I’ll take the opposing view. I like the matrix, it looks like OpenTTD and has a very clear structure. The clean look reminds me of the company window and its free-form looser-goosey mess. 🙂

20:36:26  <talltyler> In any case, I don’t care enough to bikeshed about it. But if you need a vote for “draw it like all the other lists” count me with that viewpoint. 🙂

20:38:40  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #14297: Codechange: [CMake] Use ".sq.hpp" instead of ".hpp.sq" for API exports https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14297

20:55:49  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #13993: Add: Player configuration of badge display. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/13993

20:56:50  <xarick> hmm

20:57:30  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #13993: Add: Player configuration of badge display. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/13993

20:57:42  <peter1138[d]> Hmm

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21:08:17  <xarick> Trying dumb stuff like this <https://github.com/SamuXarick/OpenTTD/commit/c0cbdd8a7853bfd43f6344fe6896e8ac2e0e9071>

21:08:59  <xarick> it's really only to circumvent freewagons

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21:35:46  <xarick> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375950426649792552/image.png?ex=68338d31&is=68323bb1&hm=b0ea77f2d9540cc7d7d5958f83d27315208ef154c0defb543ac224b4901f89c4&

21:35:46  <xarick> this test was really difficult to set up

21:36:34  <xarick> CoronaAI Fix doesn't use shared orders nor groups

21:37:04  <xarick> but calls ScriptVehicleList and ScriptVehicleList_Station

21:38:43  <xarick> at the top, it's using master with the original script unedited, ScriptVehicleList iterates the Vehicle pool, ScriptVehicleList_Station iterates OrderLists

21:41:26  <xarick> at the bottom, it's using group cache vehicle list branch with a modified script to use ScriptVehicleList_Primary instead of ScriptVehicleList. Both ScriptVehicleList_Primary and ScriptVehicleList_Station iterate from the cached vehicle lists from groups

21:42:30  <xarick> CoronaAI is really a bad case scenario

21:43:17  <xarick> regardless, I'm surprised the group method still wins

21:43:28  <xarick> in both

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21:51:02  <_glx_> all with 10k ops ?

21:51:58  <xarick> no

21:52:02  <xarick> 250k

21:52:15  <_glx_> that's why it eats cpu

21:52:25  <_glx_> ops limitation is there for that

21:54:31  <xarick> guess I need to start doing that

21:55:45  <xarick> I'll do some tests with 10k ops tomorrow

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22:02:51  <peter1138[d]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1375957243555610787/image.png?ex=6833938a&is=6832420a&hm=5875ec52d22559a56358ac59dc300ce04624e77e9ea0372b9b45b0fdaf0e510e&

22:02:51  <peter1138[d]> Same for these limits 🙂

22:03:42  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #13473: Change: [Script] Replace ScriptDate with ScriptEconomyDate and ScriptCalendarDate https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/13473

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